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April 17, 2014
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Conflict with Russia Raises Buried Questions of German I identity
Many Germans feel a special bond to Russia. This makes the Ukraine crisis particularly dangerous for Berlin because it raises important questions about the very nature of German identity. Are we as deeply rooted in the West as most believe? […]
In recent weeks, an intense and polemical debate has been waged between those tending to sympathize with Russia and those championing a harder line against Moscow. The positions have been extreme, with one controversy breaking out after the other. The louder the voices on the one side are in condemning Russia’s actions in Ukraine, the louder those become in arguing for a deeper understanding of a humbled and embattled Russia; as the number of voices pillorying Russia for violating international law in Crimea grows, so do those of Germans raising allegations against the West. […]
This tradition of anti-Western thinking has a long tradition in Germany. In “Reflections of an Unpolitical Man,” written during the First World War, Thomas Mann sought to strongly differentiate Germany from the West, even citing Dostoyevsky in the process. “Being German,” Mann wrote, “means culture, soul, freedom, art and not civilization, society, the right to vote, literature.” […]
When West Germany became politically part of the West after 1945, the Eastern way of thinking was pushed to the wayside. But Russia remained a country of longing for the East Germans. Münkler believes that the longing for Russia is also a symbol of “what we used to think but are no longer supposed to think.“
This is a polite way of saying what I have been saying all along—that the west Germans were brainwashed by their American occupiers.
Interesting comment to the above Spigel article. I didn’t know this:
The Danish – German solution
At the end of WW 1. Denmark was offered by the Allies to annex as much of Schleswig-Holstein as Denmark wanted. Instead of accepting this offer Denmark chose to hold a referendum in the region, and the outcome was that those parts where the majority of voters voted “to Germany” became German, and the nothern parts that voted “to Denmark” became Danish. This together with substantial cultural aide to the respective minorities, gave a peacefull and lasting solution! The same model should apply for the Eastern Ukraine!
Otherwise, there’s a fair amount of hatred of Russians in the comments, though none of it appears to be coming from Germans.
@101
Gee, coincidentally/luckily the U.S has 40,000+ troops still stationed in Germany just in case any latent pro-Russian sympathies might spring to the surface. Probably just an oversight.
Posted by: JSorrentine | Apr 19 2014 21:13 utc | 103
Another Guardian’s Martin Chulov biased “scoop” report: No mention of the Al Nusra fighters occupying Yarmouk and holding the inhabitants as hostages. The “freedom fighters” are the ones who sabotaged the “agreement”.
Besieged and terrified … and the food is about to run out for Damascus refugees
Syrian blockade of Yarmouk refugee camp raises fears for 18,000 people left starving inside, with some already resorting to eating leaves and animal feed
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An agreement to allow unfettered access to Yarmouk, brokered in January between all sides including a Palestinian faction that supports the Syrian government, broke down last month. Ever since, Syrian troops have been on the offensive near the camp, which weaves into the south-western suburbs of Damascus.
…
http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/apr/19/syria-besieged-refugees-yarmouk-starvation
Posted by: Virgile | Apr 19 2014 21:40 utc | 104
The “courageous” doctors of Saudi Arabia?
Two expats die of MERS in Saudi commercial hub Jeddah
.. Panic over the spread of MERS among medical staff in Jeddah this month forced the temporary closure of a hospital emergency room, prompting Health Minister Abdullah al-Rabiah to visit the facility in a bid to calm the public.
On Wednesday, at least four doctors at the King Fahd hospital reportedly resigned after refusing to treat MERS patients, apparently out of fear of infection.
http://english.ahram.org.eg/NewsContent/2/8/99418/World/Region/Two-expats-die-of-MERS-in-Saudi-commercial-hub-Jed.aspx
Posted by: Virgile | Apr 19 2014 21:44 utc | 105
“Yup, if we just reformed the fucking tax code why THEN THEN there would be peace on Earth”
Yes, there seem to be a large group of sites that claim that the problems with the world are from “crony capitalism” and that there is some other form of capitalism that is pristine and free and good.
They are wrong.
This thing we see now is pure capitalism. This conversion of the state into the personal policeman for industry and finance, this distortion of markets to benefit the rich and powerful – this is what capitalism quickly develops into, quite obviously, when you have “pure, unregulated” capitalism. The moment capitalism becomes pure and unregulated, is the moment that the powerful begin to use their power to bend laws, markets, and society to fit what suits them.
Max “buy my bitcoins, please” Keiser is one of these who needs to understand this, though I think his relationship with George Galloway has done him an incredible amount of good in terms of his politics.
Posted by: guest77 | Apr 19 2014 22:56 utc | 106
The investigative journalist Andrei Soldatov, perhaps the single most prominent critic of Russia’s surveillance apparatus (and someone who has repeatedly criticised me in the past year), described my question as “extremely important for Russia”. According to the Daily Beast, Soldatov said it could lift a de facto ban on public conversations about state eavesdropping.
Let me get this straight, Mr. Snowden. in Russia, there is a “de facto” ban on public conversations, but this was told to you by someone who has become “prominent” by discussing this subject – presumably in public? Did I get this correct?
Not a very good ban really. Sounds quite almost like there isn’t one at all.
Isn’t it lovely? Wherever one finds a lack of support for one’s opinions, you simply declare that it is not because you hold unpopular opinions, but because your way of thinking has been – “de facto” – banned by the government. Even though you yourself has been able to become “prominent” by flouting this “de facto” ban. Only a writer at the Daily Beast could make that kind of bullshit up.
It is never enough for an American to call out their own country as uniquely criminal – even though it is. One only criticizes America in order save “good America” from “bad America”. To let America live up to its “exceptional” potential which it has briefly lost sight of ( again, it seems…funny that ). Any criticism – even over issues where the US government is clearly on the bleeding edge of criminality of this sort – has to be qualified with “but others do it too!” with, perhaps, a mention for World War Two, “Democracy” and “The Constitution” thrown in for good measure. Yes, Edward Snowden did a brave thing, and now, to be a good American…he has to make up for it.
He has pulled a Liz Whal. That’s all there is to see here.
Posted by: guest77 | Apr 19 2014 23:24 utc | 107
@103 guest77
I’ve always liked Kevin Carson’s great essay, The Iron Fist Behind the Invisible Hand
For any unfamiliar here’s the entire introduction:
Manorialism, commonly, is recognized to have been founded by robbery and usurpation; a ruling class established itself by force, and then compelled the peasantry to work for the profit of their lords. But no system of exploitation,including capitalism, has ever been created by the action of a free market. Capitalism was founded on an act of robbery as massive as feudalism. It has been sustained to the present by continual state intervention to protect its system of privilege, without which its survival is unimaginable.
The current structure of capital ownership and organization of production in our so-called “market” economy, reflects coercive state intervention prior to and extraneous to the market. From the outset of the industrial revolution, what is nostalgically called “laissez-faire” was in fact a system of continuing state intervention to subsidize accumulation, guarantee privilege, and maintain work discipline.
Most such intervention is tacitly assumed by mainstream right-libertarians as part of a “market” system. Although a few intellectually honest ones like Rothbard and Hess were willing to look into the role of coercion in creating capitalism, the Chicago school and Randroids take existing property relations and class power as a given. Their ideal “free market” is merely the current system minus the progressive regulatory and welfare state–i.e., nineteenth century robber baron capitalism.
But genuine markets have a value for the libertarian left, and we shouldn’t concede the term to our enemies. In fact, capitalism–a system of power in which ownership and control are divorced from labor–could not survive in a free market. As a mutualist anarchist, I believe that expro- priation of surplus value–i.e., capitalism–cannot occur without state coercion to maintain the privilege of usurer, landlord, and capitalist. It was for this reason that the free market anarchist Benjamin Tucker–from whom right-libertarians selectively borrow–regarded himself as a libertarian socialist.
It is beyond my ability or purpose here to describe a world where a true market system could have developed without such state intervention. A world in which peasants had held onto their land and property was widely distributed, capital was freely available to laborers through mutual banks, productive technology was freely available in every country without patents, and every people was free to develop locally without colonial robbery, is beyond our imagination. But it would have been a world of decentralized, small-scale production for local use, owned and controlled by those who did the work–as different from our world as day from night, or freedom from slavery.
Posted by: Grieved | Apr 19 2014 23:46 utc | 108
I blew the whistle on the NSA’s surveillance practices not because I believed that the United States was uniquely at fault, but because I believe that mass surveillance of innocents – the construction of enormous, state-run surveillance time machines that can turn back the clock on the most intimate details of our lives – is a threat to all people, everywhere, no matter who runs them.
But the United States is uniquely at fault (at least in terms of the scale and scope of the operations) according to all public information – much provided by Snowden himself.
There is no country on earth that is at the center of this spying like the United States is. What is the point – except for his own self-aggrandizement and a wish to further consider himself an “American hero” (emphasis on the “American”) of this article?
When Vladimir Putin as facing the full brunt of American intelligence power – helped, no doubt, by its extensive spying apparatus and its social media firms – Edward Snowden should be thanking him, not trying to take a cheap shot at him in front of the world.
“not because I believed that the United States was uniquely at fault” What would it take for you to believe this Edward? After all, you handed the documents that proved it.
Posted by: guest77 | Apr 19 2014 23:50 utc | 110
Doh. I screwed that one up. This makes more sense:
I blew the whistle on the NSA’s surveillance practices not because I believed that the United States was uniquely at fault, but because I believe that mass surveillance of innocents – the construction of enormous, state-run surveillance time machines that can turn back the clock on the most intimate details of our lives – is a threat to all people, everywhere, no matter who runs them.
But the United States is uniquely at fault (at least in terms of the scale and scope of the operations) according to all public information – much provided by Snowden himself.
There is no country on earth that is at the center of this spying like the United States is. What is the point – except for his own self-aggrandizement and a wish to further consider himself an “American hero” (emphasis on the “American”) of this article?
When Vladimir Putin as facing the full brunt of American intelligence power – helped, no doubt, by its extensive spying apparatus and its social media firms – Edward Snowden should be thanking him, not trying to take a cheap shot at him in front of the world.
“not because I believed that the United States was uniquely at fault” What would it take for you to believe this Edward? After all, you handed the documents that proved it.
Posted by: guest77 | Apr 19 2014 23:51 utc | 111
@guest77 #111:
When Vladimir Putin as facing the full brunt of American intelligence power – helped, no doubt, by its extensive spying apparatus and its social media firms – Edward Snowden should be thanking him, not trying to take a cheap shot at him in front of the world.
Don’t worry, Putin can take it. One shouldn’t be too surprised that Snowden is trying to maintain his “credibility” as a “loyal American”, given that he appears to have libertarian-leaning views, which I take to mean that he has a certain amount of naivete. You are of course absolutely correct that “the United States was uniquely at fault”, although I might add the UK to that, as I did in an earlier comment.
The only interest I have in Snowden now (his appearances now seem to be nothing more than P.R., since he says he has already given everything he had to Greenwald et al.) is whether RF will give him permanent asylum, or whether he will have to keep applying for one year temporary asylum.
This is wonderful, and also relates to the latest phony controversy about Snowdon.
http://ic1.static.km.ru/sites/default/files/imagecache/640×640/goldfinger.jpg
Posted by: scalawag | Apr 20 2014 2:54 utc | 113
Easter Message:
I sincerely wish the people who still believe in the obvious and nonsensical Edward Snowden fairy tale the best of luck tomorrow at their egg hunts. Who knows, the Easter Bunny himself may show up and grant you a magical wish!!! Why, then you could ask that your boyfriend be delivered safe and unharmed to the shores of the country he so ardently – sniffle – loves and which he has done so very much to help, God Bless His Easter Soul. If that doesn’t happen – I hear the Easter Bunny can be a stingy little bitch at times – at least you might get a new elastic band for your Edward mask and a chocolate bunny. Me? I’m hoping for the publishing of some more of the Snowden/Greenwald secret cache but then again I gave up believing in the Easter Bunny when I was like 4. Oh well. Dreaming don’t hurt, right?
Just always remember, folks, Edward Snowden gave up paradise, a six-figure job and a hot chick in order to climb up onto his cross and give you the keys to heaven or at least the contact information for the responsible Establishment journalists that he says should vet any sensitive information you have on the US murder-machine that you might be thinking about sharing. And whatever you do, don’t do ANYTHING that might get in the way of a CIA etc agent murdering someone or destroying their life somewhere in the world. It would make the Easter Bunny cry.
Posted by: JSorrentine | Apr 20 2014 3:46 utc | 114
Sorrentine, I have an egg for them too. A beautiful, brightly painted easter egg. Unfortunately its steel casing appears to be impervious to x-rays, ultrasound, MRI, and all other forms of electronic examination, so we cannot tell what is inside it. However, this enormous egg, fully eighteen feet in its longitudinal axis and about eight feet in its widest lateral axis, has been provided with a large trolley, which looks like USAF issue. The egg is painted in an intricate, Fabergé-style gold and purple filigree. It is hoped by its donors that it will be accepted by the Russian state as a seasonal manifestation of western goodwill. A reception for it has been planned for easter monday, western calendar.
Posted by: Rowan Berkeley | Apr 20 2014 4:03 utc | 115
Back in the 80’s the USA engaged in one provocation after another. The KAL 1007 provocation is well known (which CIA asset Hersh tried hard to whitewash as an “accident”), this is an account of a less well known series of cowardly actions by the USN in an attempt to cower the USSR that ended with the USN cowered instead.
http://www.aif.ru/society/army/1149939 Звёздно-полосатая мишень. Как «Беззаветный» изгнал американцев из Крыма
“Stars and Stripes target. As “selfless” Americans expelled from Crimea”
In 1986, two USN ships, equipped with special electronic warfare assets, entered Soviet waters off Crimea to test the Soviet response. There was none to that incursion. But 2 years later, 1988, the USN tried the same trick again. This time the Soviet navy intercepted and rammed the USN ships. The videos in the article show that happening, along with the hilarious hysterical cries of the USN crew (definitely entertaining, despite the poor quality of the videos). One of the USN ships at one point started prepping a helicopter, but was informed by the Soviets it would be shot down if it left the deck because it would be within Soviet airspace. The USN decided not to launch the helicopter and retreat from Soviet waters. This was during the Gorby years, when Soviet-American relations were supposed to be good. Which just goes to show that things really have not changed with the USA, and that when dealing with that scum, it’s best to expect the worse. Much like dealing with nazi Germany had been, only probably even more sleazy.
Posted by: scalawag | Apr 20 2014 4:17 utc | 116
The Chinese foreign minister will be visting or is already carrying out visits to Havana, Caracas, Buenos Aires and Brasilia to conduct trade deals and provide assistance to those countries. The Ukraine scenario in Venezuela has failed.
Venezuela’s version of Julia “lunatic” Tymoshencrow, Corina Machado failed in her attempt to become to leader of the “dissidents”.
The Venezuelan Yat’s, Leopoldo Lopez is still cooling his heels in jail and Radonkey who is no Klitshco is increasingly sidelined, especially after he shook the hand of Maduro, then tried to have truly peaceful protests.
The protests are quickly losing steam.
The South American front in the war of total USA domination has failed, mis amigos.
ciao.
Bring back Mr. Pragma!!!
Posted by: Fernando | Apr 20 2014 4:55 utc | 117
Fears of Israeli Spying Underlie Reluctance on Visa Waiver Program
Until now, U.S. officials have said they have refused Israel’s entry into the program only because the Jewish state does not meet specific requirements for inclusion, including a rate of refusal for Israelis seeking U.S. visas no higher than 3 percent and reciprocal courtesies for U.S. citizens visiting Israel.
Several senators are pushing a bill that would effectively waive those requirements for Israel.
But this is the first time congressional aides have indicated that intelligence and national security concerns also are considerations in weighing Israel’s admission into the Visa Waiver Program.
This visa waver program has been in the works for some time. Funny how we’re only hearing about US “national security” concerns after Israel didn’t back the Empire in the UNGA Crimea vote.
Unsurprisingly, the article doesn’t mention that vote (or lack thereof, in Israel’s case).
Posted by: Demian | Apr 20, 2014 1:02:10 AM | 118
“Funny how we’re only hearing about US “national security” concerns after Israel didn’t back the Empire in the UNGA Crimea vote.
Unsurprisingly, the article doesn’t mention that vote (or lack thereof, in Israel’s case).”
Very doubtful that is the reason. Israel has a long history of playing neutrality at the UN, or simply ignoring voting sessions. The American AIPAC owned regime understands this and doesn’t question it. This is probably just posturing between oligarch factions in the American corporate establishment. Like Ford vs GM. The espionage concerns are obviously real, but how much influence does the non-zionist portion of the American establishment have over the rest of it? Past experience has repeatedly shown that when these interests conflict in the USA, Israel invariably wins out in the end.
Posted by: scalawag | Apr 20 2014 5:18 utc | 119
@scalawag #119:
We are both speculating. There is a clear conflict here between the Empire’s developing geopolitical strategic response to Russia’s announcement that it will no longer allow the Empire to go unchallenged, and Israel’s desire to maintain good relations with Russia.
And my understanding of the Israel lobby in the US has always been that its influence is mostly limited to US Middle Eastern policy.
“Posted by: Demian | Apr 20, 2014 1:41:09 AM | 120
Wrong and wrong. Israel consistently plays a double game where officially they want “good relations”, while unofficially they work to undermine and terrorise. Their behaviour towards Syria is a case in point. Where they said they sided with the Assad government, along with their agents, all the while they were working with the various phony Muslim terrorist insurgents (Al Qaida) to destroy Syria. In Chechnya, same thing. The “Russian” exiled oligarchs were all in cahoots with Israel supporting the “Muslim Chechen freedom fighters” in Russia. The Israelis want good relations with Russia as much as they want good relations with Venezuela. IE: they want control, pure and simple, and hark back to the good ole days of Yeltsin and dictatorial pre-Chavez days in venezuela.
If the Israeli influence in the USA was only to facilitate American support for Israeli war crimes in the ME, why then does the zionist lobby extend down to town council members and local media in the USA? Down to local police forces? Student politics in universities? Even obscure local colleges? No, it’s a thorough infiltration that encompasses every aspect of American society, equally as devastating as that of exploitative capitalism, in general, and a bigotry based “philosophy” to justify said exploitation, which America is already historically the capital of. Very little of American society now doesn’t have it’s friendly zionist intrusive element working 24/7 to influence and control. And very few American institutions have managed to maintain any sort of independence of such influence.
Posted by: scalawag | Apr 20 2014 6:05 utc | 121
Just saw a screening of Soekarno: Indonesia Merdeka at a UCLA student film event. I don’t know much history, so I can’t be sure of it’s accuracy…seemed OK, but there were lapses I caught (intimated that the A-Bomb ended the Pacific war). It was a beautiful movie, good message, and it was nice to see the events portrayed from the perspective of Indonesians, rather than Hollywood hacks.
My wife’s comment after the flick: “That’s why Kennedy was scared shitless of Soekarno!”
Posted by: Dr. Wellington Yueh | Apr 20 2014 6:37 utc | 122
@scalawag #121:
It’s interesting that you say, »The “Russian” exiled oligarchs were all in cahoots with Israel supporting the “Muslim Chechen freedom fighters” in Russia.« That suggests that Russia was able to take countermeasures against Israel controlling its government, so that Israel might have come to the conclusion that it is in its self-interest to treat RF as a sovereign nation, which is obviously not how it treats the US.
But you could be right, and I might just be being naive.
Posted by: Dr. Wellington Yueh | Apr 20, 2014 2:37:07 AM | 122
“seemed OK, but there were lapses I caught (intimated that the A-Bomb ended the Pacific war).”
Then more of the same propaganda disguised as a ‘humanistic’ sort of historical analysis. Isn’t it time we got beyond this shit?
Posted by: scalawag | Apr 20 2014 6:50 utc | 124
“Mr Pragma” has seen fit to post bernhard’s full name in a comment on Saker. Not that I give a fuck right now what happens to either of you, since both are full of easter garbage.
Posted by: Rowan Berkeley | Apr 20 2014 18:26 utc | 125
@124:
Hmmm… Group of Indonesians, supported by an Indonesian student association, makes a move about a popular nationalist leader that reads communist literature, rejects violence, and attempts to save his country from predatory colonial powers… Yeah, I guess you’re right.
Gawd, what a fucking dumbass killjoy you are. HA HA!
Posted by: Dr. Wellington Yueh | Apr 20 2014 19:57 utc | 126
raped repeatedly by a score of Yankee jihadists, brutally murdered, her corpse desecrated, somehow this Syrian Christian woman’s plight was presented in Figaro
http://www.tunisie-secret.com/Syrie-des-crucifixions-de-chretiens_a871.html
Posted by: Cu Chulainn | Apr 21 2014 1:52 utc | 128
As a reader of this blog since its beginnings, I can confirm that our host, b, has always allowed a diversity of opinions, and has always allowed posters to challenge him and disagree with him. That’s part of what makes this bar so special.
But I see no reason why he should have posters on this blog, like Rowan Berkeley (@125), and thomas, who publicly disparage, not individual opinions, but the ten years worth of work and commitment that has gone into hosting this place for all of us to have discussions, and sharing his analysis (and snark) with us.
Rowan Berkeley, you are full of hostility, ingratitude and sanctimony — which is far worse than “easter garbage.” Why don’t you just slink back to your own blog, where you can have discussions with the two comments a week you get there. Do you honestly think that anyone here would, to use your irreverent phraseology, ” give a fuck right now what happens to… you.”
Posted by: longtime patron | Apr 21 2014 2:38 utc | 129
@127
It should be obvious that, whether discussing blog loading problems or identifying posters based upon writing styles, Rowan Berkeley knows very little, though he does manage to bark and growl like a chihuahua.
Posted by: longtime patron | Apr 21 2014 2:45 utc | 130
rowan mentioned he thought it was reading this every sunday.. it’s a good read.
http://christophgermann.blogspot.co.uk/2014/04/the-new-great-game-round-up-47.html#more
Posted by: james | Apr 21 2014 3:08 utc | 131
Re #129: I suppose I am a loathsome, short-tempered beast. But being singled out by anonymous parachutists for extermination is quite flattering.
Posted by: Rowan Berkeley | Apr 23 2014 9:35 utc | 133
After palestinian deal, Israel try to start a war
http://presstv.com/detail/2014/04/23/359796/israeli-strike-on-gaza-injures-several/
Posted by: Anonymous | Apr 23 2014 19:54 utc | 134
wow,
the eagle has landed …….!!!
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2610035/MH370-landed-not-crashed-Indian-Ocean.html
Posted by: denk | Apr 24 2014 5:12 utc | 135
good thinking,
mh370, sabah kidnapping….mh192
ian fleming
*3 => enemy action !*
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2609020/Malaysia-Airlines-Boeing-737-carrying-159-passengers-forced-make-emergency-landing-Kuala-Lumpur-landing-gear-malfunctioned.html
Posted by: denk | Apr 24 2014 8:34 utc | 136
if 3=> enemy action,
what if its raining cats n dogs… ?
http://www.channelnewsasia.com/news/asiapacific/firefly-plane-turns-back/1081638.html
Posted by: denk | Apr 24 2014 10:41 utc | 137
http://en.goatsing.org/2014/04/21/a-first-look-at-first-look-media/
Interesting look at First Look Media‘s first six months. They have published a whole… TWO… articles in April.
Now, I’m not saying it’s the case but… I can see how some people might argue that this whole “First Look Media” thing was a ploy envisioned by those who sought to stymie the impact of the leaks as a giant, go-nowhere, personal time waster for Greenwald himself – to take up his time building a media venture from scratch (what basically amounts to a WordPress blog according to the author here, and I concur) all while the leaks became old news.
Did Greenwald get played? Did someone who knows that Greenwald’s (essentially self-centered) nature would allow him to get caught up in what amounts to a big fat waste of time while the leaks took second place to “Cold War Part Two” and other inane media concoctions? Maybe the guy who spent his cold hard cash trying to overthrow democracy in Ukraine? Maybe?
Again I’m not saying it’s the case, I’m just saying I can see how some people could think that.
(come at me, JSnore)
Posted by: guest77 | Apr 25 2014 2:34 utc | 138
*The PRC has also not done itself any favors with its hectoring of Malaysia over its faltering management of the MH370 passenger aeroplane disappearance*
http://atimes.com/atimes/World/WOR-04-220414.html
china’s no 1 buddy in asean, yingluck, could be toppled by those *swarming adolescents* any time now. then the chinese just managed to piss off their no2 buddy malaysia, exactly as what the perpetrators of mh370 ff had anticipated.
with the japs n ph, even indon already in the bag, u can bet malaysia is the purpose of this imperial sojuorn .
what might potus tell najib behind closed door, after that obligatory foto ops where everybody hug n kiss ?
one can guess….
obomber
*i’d give u another chance buddy, are u with us or……the chicoms, then what about that tpp thingee ?*
i wish najib would have the gut to say
*no more ff from u axxholes, no more ff, is that clear enough ?*
http://counterpsyops.com/2014/04/18/mh-370-make-it-the-last-false-flag-matthias-chang-interview-by-yoichi-shimatsu/
but im not holding my breath.
the ph foreign minister told the muricuns in no uncertain terms to fuck off
http://www.energy-daily.com/reports/Philippines_says_US_not_needed_in_South_China_Sea_dispute_999.html
but look where does it got them….
http://www.presstv.com/detail/186014.html
http://www.thisdaylive.com/articles/us-ready-to-arm-philippines-amid-china-tension/93800/
Posted by: denk | Apr 25 2014 5:23 utc | 139
of all the *conspiracy theorists* on mh 370 out there, Matthias Chang n Yoichi Shimatsu make the most sense of it.
their videos have gone viral on cyber space.
ironically, its considered taboo on the guardian, reputedly the most *liberal * of the british press, whereas wapo, considered a right wing rag by many progressives, have no problem with it !!
Posted by: denk | Apr 27 2014 14:12 utc | 140