more US pressure on the Kyiv government – showing faces – are these people really in Crimea.

Posted by: somebody | Apr 3 2014 17:21 utc | 103

WTF cant obama stop!?
US warship moving towards Black Sea amid tensions with Russia
http://presstv.com/detail/2014/04/03/357051/us-warship-heading-to-black-sea/

Posted by: Anonymous | Apr 3 2014 17:57 utc | 105

NSA spy on russians, leak tape.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xJK00daiKD8&feature=youtu.be

Posted by: Anonymous | Apr 3 2014 18:28 utc | 107

ok, now here it comes
Video of present (and past) SBU head Nalivaychenko in training camp with Yaroush/Right sector.
Right Sector was formed by Ukrainian SBU. Nalivaychenko worked with CIA.
There are documents to prove it.
There will be more.

Posted by: somebody | Apr 3 2014 18:50 utc | 109

You guys read the latest? Yatz want russian loans.
Obama is crying now lol

Posted by: Anonymous | Apr 3 2014 20:40 utc | 111

Annotation: While I wrote this Somebody posted the “Maidan insider description” which corroborates a lot of what I put together.
Mission: set up straw men.
Action: setting up a command chain CIA / SBU / Right Sector.
Done
Dmitry Jaros “Tryzub” was but one of the groups assembled in Right Sector.
Tryzub was a 1993 founded paramilitary outlet of Congress of Ukrainian Nationalists.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Congress_of_Ukrainian_Nationalists
CUN was part of the Yushchenko “Our Ukraine” like other center to far right splinter parties.
When “Our Ukraine” split up and became insignificant CUN and other right splinter groups refused to join the “Fatherland” bloc of Timochenko. Svoboda, which has its own paramilitary outlets, inherited their bourgeois partisans. Tyahnybok knows Jaros well, as it was documented in a leaked coffee-house talk, but is quite contemptuous of him, regarding him as nutcase.
The other components of “Right Sector” are more or less paramilitary groups left from the split up of UNA-UNSO.
So Jaros was surely a useful Humint tool for the SBU, but it’s far from clear, who profited most from the connection. Besides UNA-UNSO was and stayed certainly heavily infiltrated by both FSB and CIA because it’s members were involved in all the strifes with Russian army on former USSR – territories since 1992.
Jaros definitely had his own plans, one of his priorities being to outcompete Svoboda on the far right wing side. If you were “CIA”, would you entrust someone like Jaros and the rat-tail of UNA-UNSO with a sensitive job like the massacre of Institutskaya?!
Never ever!
So Parubijs mercenaries stay the most probable lead, since Parubij was in charge on Maidan. And he is a murderer anyway, he commanded the well documented sniper fire on Berkut before and on Feb. 20th.
So what is the aim and gain of the Psy-Operation?
1) Blaming “rogue actors” for the killing, leaving State Department aside.
2) Obfuscating, that all political actors of the “revolution”, with the probable exception of one or two oligarchs, are more or less direcly involved in the fascist sects and paramilitary grouplets having their mainland in Galicia.

Posted by: TomGard | Apr 3 2014 20:59 utc | 113

Now this was still lacking in the historical mix, here it is
Jesuits for Ukrainian revolution
It’s like some people go through their shelves for the file “Ukraine” to deliver their part.

Posted by: somebody | Apr 3 2014 22:00 utc | 115

It appears that the Vineyard Saker blog has been shut down.

Posted by: PhilK | Apr 4 2014 1:50 utc | 117

Posted by: scalawag | Apr 3, 2014 6:30:47 PM | 116
The second link is an outlier. No one else claims that.

Posted by: somebody | Apr 4 2014 2:52 utc | 119

Posted by: scalawag | Apr 4, 2014 12:59:26 AM | 120
Don’t be silly.
Russia officially says Pravy Sektor, and unofficially links Ukrainian Security Service to Pravy Sektor and the CIA (actually leaks documents showing the former and present head of the Ukrainian Security Service with the Pravy Sektor leader in a training camp on a church ground),
US says unofficially (Daily Beast, Cato Institute linked) Ukrainian Security Service and says officially in panic mode (Moscow embassy) “no, no, no, we did not have anything to do with it),
Ukraine officially says Berkut (Riot Police, dissolved, arrested) Special Service and (now Crimea) Ukrainian Security Service on direct order of Yanukovich,
a Maidan demonstrator with intimate knowledge of Pravy Sector, says they had a strange way of being able to meet with Ukrainian Security Service and negotiote with Yanukovich, he also quotes someone from Pravy Sector admitting that their leader Yaroush officially worked as assistant for the former and now head of the Ukrainian Security Service, the demonstrator also confirms that Maidan turned violent in January with the arrival of Pravy Sector.
The person you link to (Aleksandr Yakimenko, head of SBU from January 2013 to February 2014) has to explain how come the Ukrainian Security Service under his leadership could not prevent the takeover of the government by a small group of armed individuals.
There is a video seemingly showing mercenary snipers from inside a room of the – media – hotel Ukraine, how and why they agreed to have themselves filmed (the face can be seen in full) is anybody’s guess.
My guess is that Berkut was loyal and the Ukrainian Security Service was not.

Posted by: somebody | Apr 4 2014 5:53 utc | 121

Posted by: somebody | Apr 4, 2014 2:00:17 AM | 122
plus Lukashenko claims that protests in Minsk in 2010 were directed from Kyiv and people trained in West Ukraine and Poland for it.

Posted by: somebody | Apr 4 2014 6:06 utc | 123

I can barely peer through the smoke screen you are putting up. The SBU was on the side of the CIA overthrowing a US friendly Yanukovich, who was backed by Pravy Sektor? Maybe it’s because I’m not too bright, but to me it feels like you threw a stun grenade of twisted logic into the room.
The fact remains that the snipers were there to push the revolution to the tipping point. Just as there was no rationale for Assad launching a half-hearted gas attack, there is no other rationale for the behavior of the snipers. It was most certainly not Yanukovich.
The men in the photos are men who are nonchalantly doing a job and then packing up and leaving in full view of cameras. They hit none of the leaders. They didn’t fire long enough to clear the square. It seems they weren’t there to do anything except fire the shots, leave, and let international politics take their course.
This story will emerge, just as it did during the gas attacks. The new “government” – busy forcing a half baked travesty of a constitution down the throats of the Ukrainian nation – is based on nothing more than the cold-blooded murder of their own followers. And this will all come out (sooner rather than later, I’m guessing) and the United States will again prove itself to be the single biggest threat to the peace and prosperity of humanity.
@120: Everyone detects this fact within like two days of commenting here. It is enormously funny to witness.

Posted by: guest77 | Apr 4 2014 6:46 utc | 125

Of course, we are talking about people whose business it is to put up smoke screens.
People like yourself, you mean.
Smokescreens is all anyone ever sees from you. You’re one of the biggest liars here

Posted by: brb | Apr 4 2014 8:31 utc | 127

the next Vicki Nluland? Next maidan? consul generak for USA at meeting Yaekaterinbyurg http://lifenews.ru/news/130559

Posted by: brian | Apr 4 2014 9:45 utc | 129

Natalia Polkonskaya interview 11 march 2014
http://youtu.be/kAQonPZOTvM
Google translate. TV Crim (~11 May 2014)
Hello, dear friends . End long after the holiday weekend. I hope you’re well rested. Well, well ahead of us working week . Rather uneasy . Because the preparation for public Crimean referendum . Well, today we’ll talk a little bit about something else. We recall the recent events on the Maidan in Kiev. All that happened there . Well, we all saw it here, from the Crimea. Not all were there , not all . That’s it. But Natalya Poklonskaya employee of the General Prosecutor’s Office , Counselor of Justice today in our studio . And we will hear her point of view. Hi Natalia .
– Hello.
– You worked there in the General Prosecutor’s office to anyone , I’m sorry ?
– At the senior prosecutor of the 4th cupola . This General Directorate for Supervision of the law during the pre-trial investigation of criminal proceedings , which shall be exercised by the police. And indeed, everything that happened in the Maidan , it was awful. This is something that did not allow the Crimea.
– But you were not there.
– Yes , right on Independence in armed clashes and fighting I was not. But I lived there , I worked there and heard every five minutes under the windows of his office , as the ambulance went and drove the corpses , drove victims who survived.
– But it all began , in other words, quite peacefully .
– Usually begins .
– Peacefully . I would like you to talk about it in terms of the prosecutor of the prosecutor . Everything was within the law ?
– Here now I officially declare as public prosecutors as someone who watched it all and seen as a citizen of Ukraine, which took place in Ukraine unconstitutional coup . Armed seizure of power . This is not a peaceful demonstration , which all so fiercely and valiantly says and says to this day for some reason . I do not understand what a peaceful demonstration ? She was not on February 18 or January 19. And at such festivals that …
– You are already talking about the highlights of the days when it really turned into a military phase.
– Yes, indeed. Because these are the events that are stored separately. And those are the culminating days, which will remain in memory forever. This flowering of Nazism. Nazism is one from which we have saved our grandfathers , grandmothers , who with their blood watered the earth , so that we in a tranquil setting in a quiet life in a peaceful life with a clean -air living . And now at the level of government, the present government of Kiev all encouraged. Nazism leveled just as some heroism , heroism .
– In what way? Where there Nazism ?
– The fact that currently has the Verkhovna Rada (Supreme Council of Ukraine) adopted , accepted , and is under consideration in the Verkhovna Rada of the law on the liberalization of the “right sector.” Who is the ” Right sector” ? All of you, all the citizens , all the people who live in Ukraine and not only outside of Ukraine , all seen , all watched on television , many watched from their windows , including I saw people running with shields with some guns , shooting at our soldiers , who were unarmed , who stood on the protection of public order . They all have one slogan and one flag – black and red. This flag Bandera.
– Please tell me we have in Ukraine banned black and red flag ? Yes, this flag Bandera.
– Well , now , as I understand it , it will soon be the flag patriotic spirit of Ukraine.
– You know , Natalia, it all happened yesterday and not February 19. We have put years Bandera monuments , quite explicit , well, so to speak, the documentary Hitler’s accomplice . That’s understandable. But this one did not oppose . And including the prosecutor’s office , right?
– No, why ? Previously, prosecutors , to behold such a radical breakthrough in our power once demolition sites, monuments , even our soldiers , our soldiers , our heroes bring cases are investigated . The attitude of the people was completely different – not the same as now . Now pull down a statue of Lenin – is heroism.
– Yes, it’s prowess. This is true .
– Now discourage hand monument to soldiers who died for us, dear compatriots , dear Crimean’s , those warriors who died for us , the fact that just unceremoniously brazenly destroyed. And as we can safely look at it ? I did not understand . It’s just inside .
– Natalia , I’m sorry , but these emotions that you say , they are quite clear to us . But then immediately , and a question for you . And what about you , where you , the prosecutor , Attorney General of the country?
– Prosecutor General’s Office in the country contributes information ERDR and tries …
– It’s that, sorry ?
– This is the Unified Register of pre-trial investigations . And , apparently , is investigating the case properly oversee the investigation of these cases . But again , that’s all these facts , which were committed by the government, by the present , I believe that an illegitimate government , which came through the blood. That soldier that blood , that blood that ordinary citizens who suffered purely coincidental . They welcome it . They indulge , they just indulge nationalism , Nazism . That this banderskomu Nazism . Look who we have running for president. This is the man who is on the international wanted list. This is the man who calls to murder, to weaponry .
– You’re talking about Dmitry Jaros ?
– Yes, I ‘m talking about Dmitry Jaros . Those who had brought this army , the one who cried on the Maidan, not afraid of anyone .
– You know, yes, indeed . But we want to know the legal assessment of his actions . We want to know how to relate to his appeal to his appeals to various armed actions. Here’s how to include law enforcement agencies ? After all, they have to react .
– Should and must respond . Obliged . But for myself, I made a choice and do not support the present regime in Kiev. Work in the General Prosecutor’s Office I will not .
– So you ‘re saying that just the Prosecutor General is quite loyal to this ?
– I do not want to say anything about this, because the Prosecutor General are working quite adequate and very competent staff and wise , my colleagues , whom I respect. But what happened , the people who came to power and now instruct and guide our country , directly in Kiev, I do not support them . So stay in Kiev and the General Prosecutor’s Office I will not. Regardless, I ‘m sorry, regardless of whether I stay unemployed , I will work , but keep this one Nazism does not allow me my conscience . Look at me the same way and look at you all your grandfathers who died . Those soldiers are patriots who died. And those soldiers , who were standing on the Maidan and human shield to not skip this ” Right sector” , these radicals crazy , you know. Conscience will not let me .
– And your colleagues , Natalia, in the Attorney General’s Office allows conscience?
– To this question I can not answer . Many colleagues, I , again , I will repeat , but worthy . And they have their own reasons , its reasons , its argument . Therefore, this issue should be set directly to each person . I – no. I do not want to take this position .
– Natalia, these days, in those days of February than the Prosecutor’s Office , where there were fights when militiamen burned when fire to the building and seized them, when, in fact , simply looted the stores that were in these streets , and so on, what worked prosecutors ?
– The prosecutor’s office did not sleep . The prosecutor’s office during the day and night was in the workplace. And just experienced, and perhaps even more.
– But she had to act , except experiences?
– No, we’re going to constantly information . Just in those days such a huge work has been done , this is a crazy amount of work .
– And what exactly ?
– Registration in the Unified Register endless pre-trial investigations . It is directly on those procedural “kerivnitstvo provadzheniyam” (ukr. leadership in the proceedings) that have been instituted . This again , we remember the last amnesty , which the Attorney General Victor P. Pshonka launched into action and which have not kept our opposition and our invaders administrative buildings. Restrained the former government , and well, and so it happened , we all watched these spontaneous events . But all this is , again, a lot of work . prosecutors and day and night fixed , who, when, where, what relieved that captured again. This criminal case is endless investigations , this endless instructions directly involved and investigative actions . Again, all of this was carried out in this mode …
– But not where these events took place ? No ?
– No, just on Independence we are. We were working at their jobs . Duty . Duty , night shifts were . These are the guys who “Berkut” , internal troops , and they were next to us . And we all saw it . And all cooked and everything worked , and all hoped that there will be bloodshed, such as have been approved.
– Legal assessment can find it here ? Here you can see how to perform their professional duties and duties to the police in the face of “Berkut” . And you see that with them here makes this crowd . Well, some misunderstanding arose Management Action why let burn and kill policemen and nothing happens ? And they forbid simply shifted . They were just standing wall and fell when they were killed .
– This is something extraordinary . It is impossible to explain reasonable words. At me it just does not fit in my head , as cannon fodder soldiers put these 19 -year-olds . I’ve still want to emphasize , I in Kiev, there as in Kiev, there is now the heroes – this “heavenly hundred .” Yes, people died. People have died . But these are the soldiers who were they not heroes in Kiev. About them for some reason everyone forgets . And the MVDshny(police) hospital where were treated to this day being treated soldiers , 19 -year-olds from the Internal Troops, I came to them . And I want to say to express my gratitude to those doctors who are really in good faith and are concerned , I saw it with my own eyes , as they relate to these guys , how they are treated . And these guys are in this hospital . Mom can not come because my mother does not have such funds to rent an apartment in Kiev. And there are some guys , they 19 years . And when I was in the hospital and talked to one of the internal troops , I will not specify the name of this young man, he’s 19 years old, he is from Dnepropetrovsk, he serves in the army four months. Of these three months was at Maidan . He ‘s broken hand , he is still on treatment. He told me with frightened eyes said one thing: ” You know me as never before in life, no one beat .” This 19 -year-old guy.
– Yeah, just do not understand the actions of the leadership , which has exposed young children and did not give them anything to do. Even , in fact, be protected . They just stood there . Do not you think it strange ? Why is this happening ? Have you discussed this in the prosecutor’s office , at least among colleagues , so why allow people to kill ?
– This, of course , discussed with colleagues and prosecutors , prosecutors and beyond . And only one hope : that now, but tomorrow it will change . That’s tomorrow these guys will protect us . That’s tomorrow. But there was one mistake : these have already made radical forces in Kiev . And in Kiev mood completely different people . When I arrived for their belongings in Kiev , all the people of Kiev , whom I met – taxi drivers – they empathized with me . They say, and where are you from ? I say, from the Crimea. Oh dear , so you took the same ! I say yes we have not captured . This , folks, you have captured . In Crimea – this will of the people.
– That is a big part of Kiev ‘s now create a mood ?
– Yes .
– But this is a zombie people.
– It’s a zombie . This zombie . They are all under some hypnosis. That really changed the concepts of good and evil. People forget , people have forgotten their history . And who has not forgotten , he pretends : okay , well that went . What’s done is done , we are now living . The main thing is that there was no war. This is wrong.
– This is wrong , I agree.
– Crimean’s , this is wrong .
– There are things that can not be justified by the fact that as long as there was no war . Well , maybe a former employee ?
– Apparently, the former already . As I expressed my position and I ‘m not afraid of her . And let me prosecute. I do not do the crime and do not perform .
– You are officially retired , or you just left Kiev – and everything ?
– Officially, I do not dismiss . I , apparently , had already fired. So I understand that.
– Here in this as you .
– And give of his actions . Back there , I will not.
– And who now heads the Prosecutor’s Office ?
– Prosecutor’s Office of Ukraine , the Prosecutor General of Ukraine – it Mahnitsky . The fact that he was introduced to us as … he worked for two and a half years as an investigator in the prosecutor’s office in Lviv region , somewhere out areas. I do not know .
– That is, as a colleague you do not know ?
– No, I do not know him as a colleague . Here’s why … So be described as a man with whom she worked a certain period of time , I can not.
– Well, obviously .
– Well, he has not the Attorney General .
– He . about . ?
– He was acting . And by the way , again, for the first time as it is so in our country, it turns out, I do not know what is the legal field that Acting President shall appoint an Acting Attorney General . It somehow does not fit , too, especially in the legal field . Similarly , as a peaceful demonstration that killed our soldiers. When February 18 corpses fell one by one. And no one saw . And the power that now runs our country , they stood on the Maidan and screaming . The same minister , no, not the minister , chairman RNBU yes, chairman RNBU , his voice at me still rings in my ears .
– It’s you …
– He shouted very loudly : “left hundreds – right, right a hundred – to the left .”
– Chop ?
– Chop , chop , yes. This is also all heard .
– Well, yes, that is the head of the military part of the square. Yes, he really led here by these armed groups .
– He stood on the Maidan , and pointed out that’s what I heard, and pointed out how much is a hundred .
– Fighting .
– Yes, to fight ! How’s that? It is in the legal field ? Tell me, dear citizens , Ukrainians, Crimean people , what is the legal field? When killed, I repeat , I’m sorry , our soldiers were killed when the center of Kiev came with torches, torches . Ahead portrait of Stepan Bandera , beat beautiful hotels, which are located in the center of Kiev . And something happy . What joy , tell me? World turned upside down simply . This is not the Nazis ?
– Hello , please speak . Listening to you , call.
– Good evening. My name is Sergey. I have to Natalia a question. Natalia, you are ready to take the oath to serve the people of the Crimean Crimean people benefit ? And the second question . How you treat your fellow prosecutors and police Crimean who still has not given such an oath of allegiance to the Crimean people to him?
– Thanks for the question . I , you know, I want to express my gratitude to the Government of Crimea for the fact that they had the courage , patriotism and packed up , not left somewhere abroad , well, as many do – to get away from the country and live in peace with beautiful decor – and stood up for us, for the people. And here I saw that the hope that here, here, people seem to do well , people got up , people defend their point of view , well done , not traitors .
– But most importantly, the people rebelled against Nazism , which is now in rampant throughout Ukraine.
– In the revelry . You understand. This is not a power struggle , this is real Nazism . And to answer your question , thank you very much , I guess I think that’s an honor to take the oath of service to the protection and service of the Crimean people, with such leaders, with leaders such as these . Because that’s my word , they are great . I did not expect that our rulers … And to answer the second part of the question about the Crimean colleagues , prosecutors , you know , they probably would have cost to go to Kiev and see the glory of God, the hours can not be returned , but a little would they survived and pobyli in that situation and seeing when nobody hears you , when the world turns just flipped all the concepts , they can not do anything . People here , prosecutors , my colleagues , they have not experienced it. They are waiting , waiting for something.
– For them it is just a change of government.
– For them it is a change of power either, I do not know how to call it , or a scary movie on TV. Maybe someone does not understand me and support of my colleagues . Every point of view is the right place to be. But , nevertheless , my dear colleagues , you just as prosecutors are obliged to review all this , review all the subjects , it is all true , it’s life, this is not a movie .
– Natalia, I think, if ordinary citizens , Crimean’s , understand and see that it is really a specialist lawyer should it be more sharp-sighted vision and understand what was happening. Hello?
– Hello. Tell me, please , so many people are concerned about the citizens who are at the moment , for whatever reasons, in conclusion , if they can , if they Crimean’s , to vote in the referendum ? And in the future , on what legislation will be various legal proceedings ?
– Thanks for the question . Tomorrow will be a co-ordination meeting , likely to be . And I think that the concerned officials will take appropriate decisions about the legal and law on which the future we will live. I do not know for sure what laws we live . This will show all the referendum . This free will of our people, to which they are entitled. And what is now referred to us all on TV , our great politicians who came through blood and call us back to the Crimean people are calling for criminal liability and frighten , scare , that you have no right to free expression – do not believe . Citizens Crimean’s , you have every right to their free will. Usurp power , no one can .
– Natalia, tell me about that … to clarify the question the viewer . Society can not live in a vacuum legal means still valid now that the legal framework and the laws that exist. They still keep the society within certain . And how it will be reviewed – it’s like you said , will soon have , in fact , the future . Well, here , in particular, after the referendum . I understand . I apologize . We call.
– Hello. Natalia, I want to thank you. Because you are very brave . You came on TV, you’ve gone with your work, you threw everything in Kiev. Still, it’s too scary – and come here so declare their position. There still sit very big people and they have a very great opportunity as it is something you do.
– Got it.
– I want to thank you very much . You are a very good woman .
– Thank you.
– It’s still just words of encouragement . And they , of course …
– Thank you . I think it’s long , it is the cry of the soul. Good people, it’s wrong – what happened in Kiev. This is not a change of government , that, you know , I can not describe such terrible words , well , for me it was like this: when it is out of the ashes , from hell, from hell just got out demons, and there held their fights. It was so . Neither day nor night of rest was not. That night battle drums as the Indians know, constantly beating drums . I do not know what they were drinking , what they ate , but they did not get tired . I could not sleep at night . And other people who were in the center, the same. This battle drums .
– You live near the center ?
– Yes, I lived on Rybalsky . It’s not far . Nevertheless , if it is not … under the nose , it is not under the window I had. But I heard it . This endless fumes of these wheels , the rubber , black soot in the throat worth . These cries. Of course , they are free milk distributed in the Maidan , to remove harmful substances . Here is a change of government . These are the people to come now .
– Yes . Listen . Hello , you say .
– Hello . Hello I want to tell your guests to her eyes never driven , and that she was lying too much. As a psychologist present .
– And besides , you can say something else , what you do not like ? Hung up.
– Well, the person’s opinion , it is , a little , perhaps, takes a different view .
– Yes, of course .
– Well, it also has a right to exist .
– Well, I guess you’re right to say that many people would have revised his views on current events , if there have visited and seen. While many , not many , and those who adhere to the support of past events in Kiev, they believe that it was a bright evrorevolyutsiya . And here we are , Ukraine closer to Europe, to the European values . That think so. Therefore, here there are such opinions . You mentioned , Natalia, on that great work, which led prosecutors in these months . That this work will that be? Does anyone need it now ? It seems to me that no one will be nobody there to judge. It all goes to the archive at best, if not will be thrown .
– Well, I think , and the audience , and you’ve all seen the conversation , well, he himself name-calling Bellamy Muzychko .
– White Bellamy .
– Yes, Bellamy Bily as he spoke with prosecutors and with a gun to come to a meeting of the district of the city administration , the session.
Yes, we’ve all seen it .
– And too well on the Internet saw slogans and appeals Dmitry Yarosh , who we have a presidential candidate . Well, you know, they are not afraid . They are not afraid even that. Why, how can you then how can you call it? What responsibility do you say?
– Good. You Natalia, gave us , actually, Crimean’s food for thought for those who have not been there , but it’s only seen on television. But that was the point of view of Natalia Poklonskaya , employee , former employee of the General Prosecutor’s Office . Thank you came to us . Welcome .
– Thank you.
– Thank you , dear friends . Goodbye

Posted by: brian | Apr 4 2014 11:23 utc | 131

an interview with new attorney general for Krimea Natalia Potlonskaya:
the face of the real revolution

Posted by: brian | Apr 4 2014 14:26 utc | 133

It has become obvious that “somebody” nearly desperately tries to outcast claims that the coup was done by CIA assets and agents on direct order of the State Department (97, 119). Especially he removes Parubij from the firing line, therefore lining him in a broad, generic accusation against “organizers of Maidan” tolerating right wing extremists.
And “somebody” is outright lying indeed. Yesterday again I indicated the interview to him in which Yakumenko took account of the disloyalties within SBU, its CIA- and “Pravy Sector” connections, while “somebody” claims, he did not and tries to insert the dogma of SBU being either loyal or not and nothing in between.
Therefore I cite this passage here:

Q: Is it true that Nalivaichenko allowed the CIA agents to work in the Security Service building?
AY: Yes, that?s true. He also handed personal files of his own employees over to the CIA agents to study. But their mission was interrupted by an armed coup. The Maidan does not appoint these people; rather, it?s the US that does it. It?s enough to look at the newly appointed officials: Parubiy, Gvozd, Nalyvaichenko are all people who followed somebody else?s orders, the orders of the US, not even Europe. They are directly linked to the American intelligence. They sought to delay the negotiations and prevent the incumbent president from striking a deal with Russia and Russia from helping to prop up the social and economic order in Ukraine. After that they were planning to depose the president and integrate Ukraine into Europe, using Russian money. Who was troubled by the victory of the EU and the pro-integration forces? Only the US. It was the only country concerned over a possible alliance of Europe, Russia and Ukraine.
They?d been doing it ever since Yushchenko was president, and we couldn?t get rid of them. Once we started to put pressure, they relocated to Poland, Latvia and Lithuania. The most interesting part is that many regional governments spent budget money to pay for the so-called vyshkoli, i.e. training camps for militants to fight with various types of weapons.
All the orders were given either by the US embassy or by Jan Tombinski, a Polish representative who worked in the EU mission in Kiev. Poland played an invaluable role in the coup. It has always dreamt of restoring its former power and the Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth.
Ever since the Maidan kicked off, our security service registered a dramatic increase in diplomatic correspondence coming in to various Western embassies in Kiev. There is one more mystery. Straight after this influx of correspondence we saw some foreign money at the Maidan and in Kiev exchange bureaus: the new, re-designed US dollar bank notes.
Q: So they were bringing in cash?
AY: Yes. Poroshenko, Firtash, Pinchuk ? they all poured money into the Maidan. With all their assets in foreign banks, they found themselves trapped. So they had to follow orders from the West. All they were supposed to do was back the Maidan; otherwise they would have lost all their assets. They were thinking about their money rather than their own country. Unfortunately we couldn?t prevent the casualties, the people, mainly those who had come from the Western regions, were sent into the line of fire. The Maidan militants had left the barricades after the sniper fire started.

I can’t see but one inconsistency and one omission.
The inconsistency:
Poroshenko, Firtash, Pinchuk ? they all poured money into the Maidan. With all their assets in foreign banks, they found themselves trapped. So they had to follow orders from the West.
No. That is a typical conspiracy theory of a spook 🙂 In a divided society like in Ukraine it is fundamental, that an oligarch (and oligarch-affiliated politicians) have to play on all sides to come to the first ranks and stay there. That’s even a security prerequisite, a life-insurance. This is valid for Janukowitch as well!
The omission:
“Somebody” hinted at it in his dishonest way with the claim:
“Yakumenko has to explain how come the Ukrainian Security Service under his leadership could not prevent the takeover of the government by a small group of armed individuals.”
This actually was exhaustively done by Yakumenko, who reported, he couldn’t send in his men to uproot the sniper positions because they would have come under fire from all sides by Parubijs men, by the bulk of “Maidan self-defense” forces. So it was either a full-fledged live-fire clampdown or let it happen.
But Yakumenko does not tell, why he didn’t record and document all this and came up with it the right time. And he does not tell why “let it happen” became giving way to the coup. Because this was, that happened. Janukowich and Yakumenko fled and in a Mafia-like semi-state like the Ukraines this means breakdown of the top institutions.
Well, you can judge by the result: Janukowich and Yakumenko were taken out of Ukraine by the RF and also Yakumenko’s account of events and circumstances, that is now taken out of the equations by FM Lavrov.
And it was taken out of the equations before, by His Majesty himself, Vlad Putin, who at the big press-round answered the very same question, “Somebody” posed dishonestly, in a way that was not quite so dishonest:
“Well, I think it was a revolutionary situation.”
Then Putin listed a lot of conditions and circumstances that in his opinion (and quite plausible) made up for this “revolutionary situation” still holding on calling it a coup. This is the honest way to put things if you want to skirt telling all of it. And it allows the conclusion: There was a kind of concluded action (can it be put this way?) by Putin and the “Weimar Triangle” to handle it this way.
Of course this way the coup allowed some of the fish to break loose from the rods or at least they were given more thread, more room to manoeuvre, and of course the guys who pulled the strings tried to conceal their hands at best from each other. We know, the Crimea – Coup came as a surprise for the western actors.
Okay.
Now the narratives of the main actors tend to convene in a way that will serve as a more or less comfortable background for continuing the power-games within and outside Ukraine, because it avoids sharp confrontations and escalation at the expense of third class players and useful scapegoats within Ukraine.
It could be estimated, this will be good for masters and slaves, the latter heavily depending on the masters decisions about “war and peace” (it’s war all the times, but with changing intensity!). But this reasoning is flawed, because it implies, the masters making themselves dependent of what the slaves wish and think, and we know, this is not the case. It’s the other way round: We got a situation with most of the slaves nearly unconditionally siding with their masters and the limits of this loyalty pushed back to the point where it is about to live or to die. That gives the masters all the freedom to act they need.
On the other side we know, that of the roughly one dozen factions involved in the Ukraine power-play there is only one, that tries to escalate the situation towards war, let’s call it the “chaos – faction”, and those people know, they will fail. They are used by all the other factions in different ways and for them it is not about winning, but about keeping a most heavy hand in the hot spots. Perhaps at best with low intensity warfare within Ukraine and spilling over to Belarus, but this is speculation. But we know with certainty, that the convening narratives of the Institutskaya massacre partly hides and lessens the hand the US “Chaos Faction” had in it and covers their most active and prominent agents: Parubij and Yatseniuk. (It is even tried to make Klitchko a scapegoat (who very probable was informed, but not involved) to put him finally aside – as wished by Nuland!)
This is only one, but a fully sufficient reason to judge: No, sticking to this kind of narratives is absolutely detrimental to the slaves, to the Ukrainian people and especially to the seriously rebellious people of Maidan, who tried to stand up for their interests.
Also we can judge, “Somebody” acts in favour of the “Chaos Faction” even in case he believes acting in favour of one or two factions of the ruling masters of the RF.
So, if I was the master of this blog, I would ban him. Not because of his opinions and not because he might be paid for what he does, but for the methods and techniques he applies to influence the discourse, which under the given circumstances are impossible to overcome by inserting them in the discourse. This would require a teamwork of people equally skilled as him and with a similar amount of worktime to spend on it. This is unacceptable.
So, please, simply ignore him.

Posted by: TomGard | Apr 4 2014 14:38 utc | 135

Addendum 135
I don’t need to know “what really happened”. The opposing interests and positions are clear enough.
I know three accounts of Kiev observers, two of them “Maidanists”, which backed Yakumenkos account quite well before it was given. I didn’t keep the links, because I cannot read Russian and Ukrainian and had to refer to google-“translation”.
Two of this sources were very suspicious of the role the FSB might have had in the Institutskaya massacre and I am as well. I wouldn’t be surprised, if the FSB had its own sniper team at work in order to make sure that the killing was done in a sufficient way. If you can’t stop the enemy you better take a lead in his actions to get a chance to divert them to your favor – that is elementary tactical knowledge, not only for secret services and judoka. And eliminating Janukowich wasn’t even inimical to russian interests. “The Family” pushing Ukraine towards bancruptcy wasn’t tolerable. There had to be a coup anyway.

Posted by: TomGard | Apr 4 2014 15:23 utc | 137

It is simply a scandal only Russia is calling for an independent international/European investigation of the deaths on Maidan. EU/US are completely silent.

Posted by: somebody | Apr 4 2014 17:58 utc | 139

A useful polemic review of the role of the media in the Syria conflict from Al Akhbar.
http://english.al-akhbar.com/content/syria-stupid-management-state-run-media-and-censoring-useful-media

Posted by: Midan | Apr 4 2014 21:50 utc | 141

Russia should not take a parochial view of methadone treatment, especially faced with the social legacy of the neoliberal terror of the 1990s and the problem posed by heroin production in nearby US-occupied Afghanistan.
Iran, under the leadership of Achmedinijad, had great success with it. It could even be an opportunity for scientific and andmedical exchange between the two allies.

Posted by: guest77 | Apr 4 2014 23:31 utc | 143

Posted by: somebody | Apr 3, 2014 11:12:05 AM | 100
new ‘authorities’ have no authority and BBC is not journalism

Posted by: brian | Apr 5 2014 0:32 utc | 145

@139 – somebody. thanks for the note.
@142 – petri. thanks for that too. it will be interesting to watch that unfold.

Posted by: james | Apr 5 2014 0:51 utc | 147

POST DELIVERY STOP TO CRIMEA
on request of Kiev German post stops all post to Crimea, Kiev irself already blocked all post delivery too
“Ukrpochta” (Ukrainian Post) asks all international operators “to suspend all international shipments in Crimea (zip codes 95000-99999).
(question – if somebody waiting for medicine, important documenst, etc. ..? )
http://www.reuters.com/article/2014/04/03/ukraine-crisis-deutsche-post-idUSL5N0MV3RJ20140403

Posted by: brian | Apr 5 2014 1:15 utc | 149

Posted by: brian | Apr 4, 2014 9:16:38 PM | 150
“germany keeps showing its support for neonazism , while also cowering before zionism!”
Much of the west in a nutshell.

Posted by: scalawag | Apr 5 2014 1:35 utc | 151

Posted by: Petri Krohn | Apr 4, 2014 7:15:23 PM | 142
Debka is an Israeli intelligence outfit that invents stuff. I have stopped reading it. In this case Debka is trying to get the conversation back to Iran. And trying to get a new cold war front of the West facing Russia and Iran as a Russian proxy. To prevent a US/Iran agreement.
Russia is very interested in global disarmament, actually promotes US and Russian disarmament. They are interested in the US/Iran negotiations ensuring just that – Iran not going nuclear.
Ukraine is simply a criminal outfit (Ukrainians are victims of that). To see it through an ideological lense does not work. US foreign policy is completely privatised (that is polite for “criminal outfit”). To see it through an ideological lense does not work either.
Yatseniuk (on whose advice?) recently left the Fatherland party to avoid “conflicts of interest”.
The US will have to justify the World Bank Loan, a world bank they antagonized by not adapting overdue changes in shares, reflecting the changed world. They might get the loan through once again, this time, but they will not be able to keep the game up for ever.
Investment funds and banks bet on Ukraine bonds big time. The loans Ukraine is getting are not for the people but to pay the debt of these loans. A default would hurt a lot of Western investment outfits, basically destroy paper money there, again result in the lost of trust necessary for banking, bring a downturn. Russia seems to be relaxed about being exposed to that.
If Yatseniuk was serious he would start negotiating about restructuring the Ukrainian debt.

Posted by: somebody | Apr 5 2014 4:44 utc | 153

Posted by: scalawag | Apr 5, 2014 1:00:38 AM | 154
Of course, if you construct the World as run by a Zionist conspiracy and you against the conspiracy, then obviously anybody with an opinion that differs from your opinion must be a Zionist.
Also, if you look in an anonymous internet personality for “trust” and judge what they are saying on that trust, not if there is logic or truth in it or not, the basis of your analysis is very weak to say the least.
Outside of virtual reality it is getting ominous. The Washington Post compares the Kyiv government to the Kerensky governement. Yatseniuk is Kerensky and Pravy Sektor are the Bolsheviks.
We know who is supposed to win in that story.
Comment section is more enlightening than the article.

According Nuland, US have spended 5 B us $$ to organaise a Neo-NAZI coup in Ukraine.
Such a nice investment for US taxpayers !
Please, send 2.5 B us $$ to Ukraine , they still no pay bills for Russian gas.
Russian GAZPROM needs your money today !

Posted by: somebody | Apr 5 2014 5:50 utc | 155

political prisoners are mounting in the US EU backed neonazi ukraine
Crimea&East ‏@IndependentKrym 2h
#Ukraine #Donetsk yet another antimaidan proreferendum leader arrested. Robert Doney political arrest n.(lost count). pic.twitter.com/xEPQai0aLi

Posted by: brian | Apr 5 2014 6:44 utc | 157

big surprise
Dmitry Linnik ‏@dmitry_linnik 21h
Kiev ignored independent assessment of snipers at Maidan – Lavrov http://rt.com/news/lavrov-cis-ukraine-337/#.Uz6HY7grFoU.twitter …

Posted by: brian | Apr 5 2014 7:29 utc | 159

Crimea&East ‏@IndependentKrym Apr 3
evicted from DniproHotel RightSectors leave with belongings,including interesting”instruments”(via @SimonOstrovsky) pic.twitter.com/YIo5d87xFM

Posted by: brian | Apr 5 2014 7:42 utc | 161

“Freedom” of Press in Orwellian EU “monitored by the Commission to ensure that they comply with European values,”
http://t.co/hgldGJMNKA

Posted by: brian | Apr 5 2014 7:57 utc | 163

Aleksandr Kalinin ‏@aleksiskander Mar 31
Russia’n patriots thank #US for paying $5 000 000 000 so that #Crimea could return home, to #Russia http://youtu.be/qi1HKJei8Q4

Posted by: brian | Apr 5 2014 8:14 utc | 165

Posted by: Chip Nikh | Apr 5, 2014 3:57:22 AM | 164
Someone clearly made a mistrake
Same incidence reported by the Washington Post

The warning was the second “management alert” in State Department history, both issued by new Inspector General Steve Linick. Linick took over the job in late September, after it had been vacant for nearly six years.
…
The new alert addressed a similarly sensitive issue: the government’s inability to keep track of the growing number of outside contractors who have taken the place of government workers.A series of special government and congressional investigations has identified widespread contracting fraud in both the State and Defense departments, especially in overseas expenditures.

Posted by: somebody | Apr 5 2014 8:22 utc | 167

Posted by: Chip Nikh | Apr 5, 2014 3:57:22 AM | 164
This might be important.
Domani Spero reported back in sept. that the 6 year vacancy in the office of State Dept Inspector General followed repeated complaints of Government Accountability Office about possible conflicts of interest in former IG-offices, because much of its staff were recruited of former or upcoming State Department personnel. This fits well with the accounts of Peter Dale Scott and others about the silent coup of Rumsfeld and Cheney, backed by the Trilateral Commission, during Gerald Ford presidency, when most relevant Foreign Policy administrative positions were taken over by either Pentagon or CIA affiliated personnel.
Interestingly the request to fill the vacancy was a Congress initiative prominently backed by Elliot Engel, one of the most vocal Zionist mouthpieces and leading member of the Congress FP-commitee … back in Feb. 2013, when Kerry just had taken over DoS. But it took Obama another 6 month to bring in Steve Linick, who made his career in the perimeter of DoJ and seems to have no affiliations to DoS, Pentagon or Secret Services.
So this might be an attempt to push back Zionist influence on State Department and also the presidential bid of Hillary Clinton. This is a tricky job, because the Dems seemingly don’t have the guts to bring forward a serious alternative to Clintons pretensions to presidency.

Posted by: TomGard | Apr 5 2014 10:37 utc | 169

I wanted to repost a piece William Bowles linked to in the “Cuba”-thread:
The Role of Fascism and the Oligarchs in Ukraine, Global Research
an interview with a leading member of Ukrainian Borotba Party. But the link is dead and the article seems to be deleted. Why?
The interviewee reasonably adjusted the demonization of Right Wing movements in Ukraine, including Svoboda, without downplaying them. He differentiated between “Street fascism”, a youth movement partially paramilitarily recruited by several players to their special purposes, and “bourgeois fascist” in the ukrainian institutions, commercial and political classes.
The youth movement consisting of simply depravated, ired and resentful people, while their leaders a genuine component of the political class and its mafia-like structure, intimately affiliated with nearly all political al oligarchic structures.
Well, that didn’t fit well in the tale of “The Good, the Bad and the Ugly” most of the imperial players and their mouthpieces try to impose on the public …

Posted by: TomGard | Apr 5 2014 11:31 utc | 171

This here is a list of photographs of guns in the hands of protesters.
The silence is deafening.

Posted by: somebody | Apr 5 2014 12:17 utc | 173

edit: reverse 2 and 3.

Posted by: rjj | Apr 5 2014 13:06 utc | 175

Russia’s attractiveness to European right wing parties

Posted by: somebody | Apr 5 2014 13:22 utc | 177

who are riskandforecast.com ? are we supposed to know?
this is a nice diagram.
http://www.riskandforecast.com/useruploads/images/2009/forecaststructure.jpg

Posted by: rjj | Apr 5 2014 14:11 utc | 179

“There has to be an independent inquiry.”
I made an “independent inquiry” and presented the result above. More “indipendence” isn’t available on this globe, and this Lavrov knows as well as “Somebody” does – and anybody else reading here while activating his brain cells.
What a fucking hypocrite in addition to …(censored)

Posted by: TomGard | Apr 5 2014 14:20 utc | 181

Posted by: rjj | Apr 5, 2014 10:11:31 AM | 179
Registrant Email: email@capitalgroup.hu
connected with
http://www.flowpr.hu/about-us/references

Posted by: somebody | Apr 5 2014 14:33 utc | 183

This is the poll – it is interesting – never mind the spin in the interpretation

Posted by: somebody | Apr 5 2014 15:15 utc | 185

@170 somebody.. – thanks. hilarious!

Posted by: james | Apr 5 2014 16:35 utc | 187

would look at don’t know/refused to answer numbers.

Posted by: rjj | Apr 5 2014 17:15 utc | 189

> scalawag at 112.
This image is a jokey photoshop compo. A cartoon without an author.
> Image: Putin is holding an x ray of a head / brain and Obiman in lying in the hosp. bed. with a bandaged arm. Other figures hang about, one grinning taking pix with a phone.
Google reverse image search gives no origin for this composition. Nor do other cursory searches turn up anything at all. (Didn’t spend much time.)
However, one can see where it was posted, also when, see below, scroll over the image to see the origin. Mostly right wing US blogs and jokers?
http://tinyurl.com/ot2wqsf

Posted by: Noirette | Apr 5 2014 18:19 utc | 191

The interview with Sergey of Ukrainian Borotba Party I talked about in 171 was published again with a new address:
http://www.globalresearch.ca/the-role-of-fascism-and-the-oligarchs-in-ukraine-2/5376712
The core of it:
SERGEY: I should explain from the very beginning that we are not fighting fascists. It’s not our main goal. Our main goal is [the] Ukrainian oligarchy and Ukrainian ruling class, because Ukrainian fascists are only a symptom of this disease called capitalistic development. Actually, they are only one of the problems in Ukraine because we have a huge number of problems connected to corruption, poverty, and far-right movements. This big unemployment, this poverty in Ukraine, they are not creating a good basis of development, [but] of these fascist neo-Nazi movements. So, our main enemy is the ruling class. Of course, we are attacked every time by fascists, but we should understand that they are only some part, some guard of the ruling class. If we are talking about these paramilitarists that are acting now in Ukraine, I don’t have any evidence that the CIA or British Secret Services are cooperating with them, but we know that some of their gangsters were training in Latvia and they had some military bases in the Baltic countries. That means that they [were] prepared by somebody.

Posted by: TomGard | Apr 5 2014 20:06 utc | 193

@184
Well, 34% of 49% is like 15% of the total number, but…
Im still pretty sure that you only need to scare the crap out of 15% of the country for it to be considered terrorism. Ah, lovely EU values.

Posted by: Massinissa | Apr 5 2014 23:25 utc | 195

interesting article on banking and how it relates to the move against russia. by natalia vitrenko.. written in 2012..
http://www.larouchepub.com/eiw/public/2012/eirv39n09-20120302/24-30_3909.pdf

Posted by: james | Apr 6 2014 1:14 utc | 197

Maximilian Forte ‏@1D4TW Mar 31
Excellent news that #Venezuela has liberated the city of San Cristobal from its criminal blockade by reactionaries http://bbc.in/PaxGde

Posted by: brian | Apr 6 2014 3:01 utc | 199