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April 2, 2014
Open Thread 2014-09
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Syrian army is kicking ass. Turkey decided to close their border finally. May they all burn. Posted by: Shoes | Apr 2 2014 18:18 utc | 1 Shoes wrote: Turkey decided to close their border finally. Someone from Fahrenheit-Land [FL] made the comment that Russia was little more than a third world country with nukes. Tell that to FL IT companies like Google who have set up research labs in Moscow because of the high-quality education system and the high quality of their graduates that Russia has. The research labs there get the can’t-solve-it-anywhere-else problems. Posted by: Albertde | Apr 2 2014 19:48 utc | 4 I know this is not surprising considering the Citizens United decision, but it does make things that much worse: Posted by: RudyM | Apr 2 2014 19:52 utc | 5 Foreign Affairs has a piece on Alexander Dugin, unsurprisingly making him out to be a Nazi sympathizer. You need to sign up to read the article, but don’t need to pay. (You get to read three or five articles a month for free; I forget which.) lol did anyone read the interview with nato? maybe its been posted already? Posted by: Anonymous | Apr 2 2014 19:57 utc | 7 @Shoes Posted by: KerKaraje | Apr 2 2014 20:01 utc | 8 Ukraine’s putsch parliament unanimously passed a resolution authorizing security forces to seize weapons of self-defense forces, i.e., Right Sector. There was a shootout Monday night near the Maidan. Security forces then surrounded Right Sector’s Hotel Dnipro HQ. The standoff ended Tuesday morning at dawn when Right Sector members were loaded onto buses and taken outside the city. So far Interior Minister and Fatherland Party member Arsen Avakov appears to have gotten the better of the neo-Nazis. Dmitry Yarosh’s only response has been to register for May’s presidential election. Posted by: Mike Maloney | Apr 2 2014 20:05 utc | 9 There was a piece on France Culture this morning on the disaster that is Libya. Really sad interviews with people who manifested in the belief things were going to get better. The worst thing to happen to them was to be ‘helped’ by the United States. Posted by: Knut | Apr 2 2014 20:15 utc | 10 @rackstraw #3: NASA cuts ties with Russia over Ukraine Posted by: Anonymous | Apr 2 2014 20:23 utc | 12 @Anonymous #12:
@3 rackstraw (and @11 demain)- that link rackstraw posted is from august 2012.. please take a closer look at the link you post before sharing it, as it just ain’t up to date enough and is essentially worthless now! Posted by: james | Apr 2 2014 20:45 utc | 14 Looks like the Saker http://vineyardsaker.blogspot.com/ has put his sick time to good use. Brilliant essay….. Posted by: georgeg | Apr 2 2014 20:52 utc | 15 @6 Posted by: brian | Apr 2 2014 21:29 utc | 16 @13 Posted by: brian | Apr 2 2014 21:33 utc | 17 As B. predicted: @rackstraw #18:
How can regions be sure of having any actual power unless there is a federal structure? RF’s position is that they can’t. Think of the United States without any states having their own governments. That is what Kiev wants for the Ukraine. I would think Kiev getting cozy with NATO will not bode well for Crimean autonomy. No way the Russians will let NATO get their hands on that. Posted by: dh | Apr 2 2014 22:11 utc | 20 Posted by: georgeg | Apr 2, 2014 4:52:40 PM | 15 Posted by: scalawag | Apr 2 2014 22:20 utc | 21 This article by Eric Draitser is also very good on Russia and the effect of the sanctions. Posted by: scalawag | Apr 2 2014 22:31 utc | 22 @scalawag # 21:
I think the mistake that the Saker is making here is equating “Western” with “AngloZionist”. There are Western models for the “social state”, which is what the Saker very correctly wants Russia to be: namely, Hegelian political philosophy. Does anyone here have an idea what is going on with the Russian GPS shutdown story presented by Rayne at emptywheel? Posted by: oboblomov | Apr 2 2014 23:04 utc | 24 Oligarchy anyone? This new ruling by the US Supreme Court ensures dominance by the most wealthy. Posted by: ben | Apr 2 2014 23:05 utc | 25 An update from Rayne on the Russian GLONASS (GPS) network shutdown: Posted by: oboblomov | Apr 2 2014 23:20 utc | 26 I want to confirm what Albertde @ 4 says about Russian education. Dr. J F Kenney discusses their science eduction in this archived spot on Science Friday, NPR about the Russian process for abiotic oil (if it cuts off, download it): http://web.archive.org/web/20111025151824/http://www.gasresources.net/Kenney-NPR.mp3
Posted by: MRW | Apr 2 2014 23:37 utc | 27 RE: The Robert’s Court enlargement of its declaring that the US Constitution states that money equals speech — Posted by: jawbone | Apr 2 2014 23:57 utc | 28 @Rudy 5, @ben 25 Posted by: john francis lee | Apr 3 2014 0:23 utc | 29 @28 – Now, when will we lowly ones begin making tumbrels in this nation? Posted by: rjj | Apr 3 2014 0:25 utc | 30 Jawbone get off the “conservatives” on the bench meme. The US Govt now is all new world order (NWO) facist police state run by lots of dual citizen types. This “conservative” court upheld Obama’s disgusting ObamaCare which is unConstitutional. Posted by: Mary Jean | Apr 3 2014 0:32 utc | 31 @27 The United States doesn’t want its citizens solving problems – after all, they might solve their biggest one: how to get the American oligarchy’s Harrys of London Penny Loafers off of their necks. Posted by: guest77 | Apr 3 2014 0:52 utc | 33 @27 MRW – the dumbing down of america continues unabated.. all in the name of easy fodder for being manipulated by propaganda and servitude.. mass surveillance is used to keep tabs on anyone might want to object.. Posted by: james | Apr 3 2014 0:52 utc | 34 Looks like those clowns in congress did it again…
*I found this quote in a site too gross to link to. Posted by: guest77 | Apr 3 2014 1:09 utc | 36 Torture. It never worked, and they knew it never worked, but the CIA did it with gusto.
No accusations. No punishment. No criminal inquiry. But we’re going to have a “public debate” – probably a “public debate” a lot like the one that recently failed to place even a very short speedbump in the way of NSA spying, I presume.
Take a man prisoner, torture him, send him home to be released, and then kill him with a drone strike. Others got this:
And yet, after all of this, finding it necessary to take these measures against these terrorists (whom, in all reality, they had created in the first place), the USA was quite willing to turn around and begin to fund these same types of people in Syria? Posted by: guest77 | Apr 3 2014 1:33 utc | 37 @33-35 Posted by: rjj | Apr 3 2014 2:28 utc | 38 Maybe Hegel had something to say about that. If not, see Ibn Khaldun. Posted by: rjj | Apr 3 2014 2:32 utc | 39 Posted by: guest77 | Apr 2, 2014 8:52:21 PM | 33 Another massacre of American soldiers by an American soldier on an American base in the homeland: a sign of a military breaking down. @41 Posted by: guest77 | Apr 3 2014 3:13 utc | 42 NASA Breaks Most Contact With Russia Posted by: guest77 | Apr 3 2014 3:16 utc | 43 Some cultures do better no matter where they go to school. Posted by: somebody | Apr 3 2014 3:32 utc | 44 Posted by: rjj | Apr 2, 2014 10:32:13 PM | 39 Posted by: somebody | Apr 3 2014 3:42 utc | 45 @somebody #45: There are 2 Americans at the ISS right now. NASA isn’t scheduled to have a manned space capability again before 2017 (probably later with the usual American corruption and ineptitude). It’s a good thing Russians are not like American and Israelis…. Posted by: scalawag | Apr 3 2014 3:50 utc | 47 I just remembered, all is not lost. Israel could have their Virgin Records tosser provide the Americans with a manned space capability in the interim. I’m sure his vehicles are very safe. 😉 Posted by: scalawag | Apr 3 2014 3:55 utc | 48 Two aspects of the US part of the imperial project: Posted by: Robert Snefjella | Apr 3 2014 4:13 utc | 49 Pew Poll: Americans Think US Should ‘Mind Its Own Business’ Globally
http://blogs.wsj.com/washwire/2014/04/02/fifa-rejects-senators-call-to-ban-russia-from-world-cup/ FIFA Rejects Senators’ Call to Ban Russia From World Cup Posted by: scalawag | Apr 3 2014 4:41 utc | 51 Posted by: Demian | Apr 2, 2014 11:49:05 PM | 46
translation: this is the main aim of education, that the ideas, thoughts, reflections youth can have and make, out of themselves, are eradicated, will and thought have to start with obedience. Posted by: somebody | Apr 3 2014 4:47 utc | 52 Add to 52) There is no way to mix up Hegel with Rosseau. If you are interested this is an English summary of his thought on education. Posted by: somebody | Apr 3 2014 4:50 utc | 53 Moscow slams US for extraditing Russian citizen from Costa Rica Posted by: james | Apr 3 2014 4:58 utc | 54 @somebody #52: KerKaraje #8: Referencing brown moses makes any attempt at discovering the truth impossible. He’s still trying to convince everyone that Assad’s forces used Chemical Weapons when they probably weren’t used at all. Looking at this BBC ‘production’ (especially at 30 seconds in) the ‘victims’ need much better drama teachers and more skilful make up artists. @52 Posted by: rjj | Apr 3 2014 5:04 utc | 57 Posted by: Demian | Apr 3, 2014 1:01:05 AM | 55 Posted by: somebody | Apr 3 2014 5:17 utc | 58 @somebody #58: Adolescents are perverse. Hegel’s approach gives them something to resist. Posted by: rjj | Apr 3 2014 5:41 utc | 60 50) No, it is from one of the speeches he made as a school principal – he knew what he was talking about. Posted by: somebody | Apr 3 2014 5:54 utc | 62 Posted by: Demian | Apr 3, 2014 1:37:40 AM | 59 Posted by: somebody | Apr 3 2014 5:55 utc | 63 i wonder how much usa pettiness towards russia is on display thanks snowden residing in russia? funny how the usa has become such a petty tyrant over the years. reminds me of a castaneda book i read a long time ago called ‘the fire within’ where their are a few good stories told about petty tyrants. Posted by: james | Apr 3 2014 6:02 utc | 64 @somebody #62: @somebody $66: US regimes love secrecy Posted by: brian | Apr 3 2014 8:12 utc | 68 Demian apparently had a pre-existing hegelian fixation, and then loaded Dugin in on top of it. But while Demian correctly dismisses Dugin’s three political theories as nonsense, he is in thrall to a ‘conservatism’ of his own. Yet he objects to others who call Hegel an outright totalitarian. I should say it’s fairly unimportant. The only interest I can find in hegelianism is that it does provide a non-biologistic way of conceiving of the identity of nations. An example is the Zionist hegelian, Shlomo Avineri. But I don’t care much for nations. Posted by: Rowan Berkeley | Apr 3 2014 8:12 utc | 69 #69: Dugin’s theory is nonsense, and in any case Dugin’s theories are no guide to his practice, which is shabby ultra-right-wing clique formation in the style of Evola. Posted by: Rowan Berkeley | Apr 3 2014 8:42 utc | 71 I know you may say Dugin is quite different from Evola, and doctrinally I am sure he is, they are as unlike as one writer of fantasy fiction is unlike another, even though they both write gothic fantasy, for instance. But the umbrella term for all this is ‘fascism’, and if you put your mind to it, you can provide a more or less umbrella definition: all the innumerable flavours of fascism proceed by idealising one portion of humanity at the expense of the rest, granting the favoured portion more or less divine status, declaring it holy, and placing it beyond the reach of ‘ordinary’ law, including the law of contract. Thus it seems to transcend wage labour, by instituting a sort of bogus neo-feudalism among the servants of the state. But what it does not do is abolish capitalist private enterprise. On the contrary, it corporatises it, if it isn’t already corporatised, by building it a protected niche within an intermittently dirigiste system. Posted by: Rowan Berkeley | Apr 3 2014 9:00 utc | 72 People may wish to spend a few minutes surfing through Dugin’s book and deciding for themselves whether it is or isn’t presenting a fascist doctrine. To me it’s obvious that it is, because I have been following Dugin for almost ten years, because I am familiar with Evola’s books and career, both pre- and post-WW2, and also with Guenon and the doctrine and history of ‘Traditionalism’, and because I have done some research of my own into the people Dugin actually appointed as representatives of his Eurasia Movement in Israel, and all three are simple far-right agitators: one a journalist, one a “gun-toting settler rabbi” and the third the notorious Avigdor Eskin, the fellow who put a death curse on Yitzhak Rabin, and went to prison for conspiring to catapult pig’s heads onto Muslim sites. Anyway, Dugin’s book (or quite a lot of it) is online here: Posted by: Rowan Berkeley | Apr 3 2014 9:38 utc | 73 Hegel Heard about Moon of Alabama on the Scott Horton Show where the host gave it high praise and decided to stop by. I will be a regular visitor, very nice work being done here. Posted by: Donn Marten | Apr 3 2014 10:13 utc | 75 Latest propaganda: A bit of satire in Russia earns a big backlash The Maidan Sniper Story gets interesting Posted by: somebody | Apr 3 2014 11:14 utc | 77 Perhaps this insertion above at 69: Posted by: Robert Snefjella | Apr 3 2014 11:33 utc | 78 77 “interesting” – really? plus 77) Maidan Snipers Posted by: somebody | Apr 3 2014 11:48 utc | 80 Posted by: TomGard | Apr 3, 2014 7:43:37 AM | 79 Posted by: somebody | Apr 3 2014 11:55 utc | 81 81 Here the interview with Yakimenko: @66 what did he lie about? Hegel humping the maid? Posted by: guest77 | Apr 3 2014 12:25 utc | 85 1930 recording of Brecht/Weill’s “Moon of Alabama” with Lotta Lenya Posted by: Harry Clark | Apr 3 2014 12:31 utc | 86 Posted by: TomGard | Apr 3, 2014 8:09:15 AM | 83
Why indeed. Why could Belarus get rid of violent protesters like any Western government but not Ukraine? Posted by: somebody | Apr 3 2014 12:33 utc | 87 Posted by: TomGard | Apr 3, 2014 8:09:15 AM | 83 Posted by: somebody | Apr 3 2014 12:36 utc | 88 51;Homophobic;Reminds me of the term holocaust denial.A misdirection to impugn the resistance to BS.Nobody(or very few) is afraid of or believes gays don’t have the right to private sexual relations.Just don’t try to claim a tradition,marriage,the sanctifying of women and children,(no bastards) with sexual preference.Why do gays need my validation?Come up with a term that satisfies you,and use it,but don’t abscond with another that doesn’t fit.And I’ve never heard anyone say that Hitler didn’t put his political enemies in camps when fighting the world,like America did to the Japanese Americans,and that many many died. Posted by: dahoit | Apr 3 2014 12:40 utc | 89 Posted by: TomGard | Apr 3, 2014 8:19:54 AM | 84 Posted by: somebody | Apr 3 2014 12:55 utc | 90 Today’s NYTs says that Pollard is the first ally to serve x number of years in jail by US;Typical Ziodouble speak;Allies don’t spy on allies,there’s no need.My God,the treasonous scum.No comment on the story.I guess they hate taking a beating from readers.And with the Ft. Hood shooter,they had a mea culpa for starting the Iraq War.Not.Pathetic bloviating Zio scum. Posted by: dahoit | Apr 3 2014 12:57 utc | 91 Posted by: guest77 | Apr 3, 2014 8:25:23 AM | 85 Posted by: somebody | Apr 3 2014 13:00 utc | 92 90) ok they have solved the problem – Berkut arrested, Alfa hide in Crimea
Posted by: somebody | Apr 3 2014 13:32 utc | 93 “Somebody”, meanwhile I am not willing to argue with you any more because you are not sincere, you don’t talk truly.
I’ve already thought of a problem with it: the capitalist firms could all just switch from wage labour to piecework. And they would depress rates for piecework, relative to the cost of living, just the same way they do wages. So I would have to bring a larger definition of “slavery”: chattel slave, serf, wage slave, piecework slave, etcetera. Posted by: Rowan Berkeley | Apr 3 2014 13:46 utc | 95 Posted by: somebody | Apr 3, 2014 9:00:32 AM | @92 Posted by: rjj | Apr 3 2014 14:27 utc | 96 Posted by: TomGard | Apr 3, 2014 9:43:16 AM | 94 Posted by: somebody | Apr 3 2014 14:37 utc | 97 :-)) Posted by: somebody | Apr 3 2014 14:43 utc | 98 synthesis is difficult for anyone who wants an exclusive franchise on the goodness-truth-beauty manifold. Posted by: rjj | Apr 3 2014 15:11 utc | 99 Summary of the BBC – they keep an open mind, but identify more sniper positions than the Ukrainian government does
Posted by: somebody | Apr 3 2014 15:12 utc | 100 |
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