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April 9, 2014
Open Thread 2013-10
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We should remember that “le parfait est l’ennemi du bon” (perfection is the enemy of the good). In other words (mit anderen Wörtern), take what is good from somebody and ignore the bad–you will learn more that way. Posted by: Albertde | Apr 9 2014 18:32 utc | 1 @1 Posted by: Massinissa | Apr 9 2014 18:39 utc | 2 I am not excusing the bad just saying listen and look at the message, not the person. Posted by: Albertde | Apr 9 2014 18:54 utc | 3 @3 Posted by: Massinissa | Apr 9 2014 19:00 utc | 4 in case this hasn’t been linked yet, I wanted to share this news by F. William Engdahl about China’s proposal for a new Silk Road linking to Germany (through Russia of course) as an economic development zone: Posted by: Grieved | Apr 9 2014 19:02 utc | 5 The Snowden psyop continues with yet another expose in Vanity Fair (tomorrow) which starts with yet MORE self-aggrandizing horseshit from hero du jour Snowden and it gets worse and worse (if you’re a fanboy, that is):
So, putting aside the fact that everyone in the entire NSA had to know that Mr. Hero-boy was a problem as he basically repeatedly emailed the entire NSA staff that he was a security-risk – Dear NSA: Please watch me, I hate the what the NSA does! Love, Edward – and that therefore his leaks should be considered shit (which is what people have been saying from day one) besides all that we’re asked to believe that this young man of conscience (chortle) – who remember signed up for the Army in 2004 right after the Abu Gharib scandal at a time when nearly everyone who really had a conscience knew for a fact that the entire GWOT – but especially the Iraq War – was a murderous spree of war criminality – was finally set over the edge – again, after stints at the CIA and NSA – because the NSA was invading people’s privacy? Srsly?!!
And f*cking fanboys STILL believe this stooge? Posted by: JSorrentine | Apr 9 2014 19:06 utc | 6 Events in the Ukraine exemplify the distinguishing characteristics of US foreign policy. Posted by: bevin | Apr 9 2014 19:10 utc | 7 JSorrentine Posted by: Anonymous | Apr 9 2014 19:11 utc | 8 Ukraine send troops, tanks to East ukraine demonstrations. Posted by: Anonymous | Apr 9 2014 19:18 utc | 9 JSorrentine, which branch of government do you work for? Posted by: billschee | Apr 9 2014 19:21 utc | 10 @8 Do I detect a touch of jealousy in JS’ anti-Snowden tirades? Is he not getting enough attention? Posted by: dh | Apr 9 2014 19:27 utc | 11 bevin, I’m sending your post to my listserve – eloquent and precise. Thanks. Posted by: okie farmer | Apr 9 2014 19:44 utc | 12 Yup, I just hates me some Snowden for no reason whatsoever. It’s not that his entire story in nonsensical horseshit, that he hasn’t told us anything new (but he confirmed it, scream the fanboys!), that he has helped TPTB set up an “appropriate” way – meaning one which in no way shape or form threatens anything TPTB care about – for future whistleblowers to act, that he has helped create the parameters for a fake “debate” about spying and surveillance (oh, so you think spying and surveillance are good, huh, Edward?), that he STILL urges people to remain on their devices and online even though that’s exactly what people should NOT be doing if his stale info is to be believed and that he’s the hero of war criminal organizations like HRW and Amnesty – cf. Libya, Syria, Ukraine, etc – where he gives speeches to packed houses and gets standing o’s with his “journo” friends who are directly employed by billionaires who finance neo-nazi putsches. Posted by: JSorrentine | Apr 9 2014 19:52 utc | 13 To Bevin @7 A powerful piece of writing with some great phrases. Good to see your writing again at MOA. I agree with your review and wonder “what is to be done” Many years I thought counter culture could change the world, now I am suspicious that the counter culture generation is now in the driving seat and a source of world troubles. Posted by: Midan | Apr 9 2014 19:55 utc | 15 It is hard to understand where js’s snowden hatred comes from. To be sure, there are too many people on the left that see a CIA conspiracy in everything. If not for that it would be easy to dismiss js as a rightwing troll who wants to discredit the wonderful actions Snowden has performed for all of us concerned about the powers of the police state. Thus it is probably simpler to just attribute him as another son of the bourgeoisie driven to a frenzy by the horrors of capitalism, to borrow from Lenin. This is a frenzy that is motivated by hate, anger and jealousy that destroys common sense. Posted by: ToivoS | Apr 9 2014 20:02 utc | 16 213 Stay on track JS. You are beginning to develop a healthy skepticism. Posted by: dh | Apr 9 2014 20:04 utc | 17 just put sour teen on ignore.. he’s like some raving lunatic in an insane asylum and i am not into watching a re-run of one flew over the cuckoos nest anymore. Posted by: james | Apr 9 2014 20:14 utc | 18 US mercenaries in Ukraine? “The Russian Foreign Ministry made a stunning allegation today that the American private security company Greystone, which is registered in Barbados and is widely regarded as a proxy firm of the US intelligence, has been deployed in the southern regions of Ukraine. The statement was specific, mentioning the deployment of 150 “American mercenaries” from Greystone.” Posted by: JohnH | Apr 9 2014 20:25 utc | 19 Some fresh videos from donetsk Posted by: Anonymous | Apr 9 2014 20:39 utc | 20 http://voiceofrussia.com/news/2014_04_09/President-Putin-wins-over-world-leaders-with-92-percent-of-public-approval-poll-7829/ Posted by: scalawag | Apr 9 2014 20:42 utc | 21 http://voiceofrussia.com/news/2014_04_09/Voice-of-America-mere-spam-on-our-frequencies-Kiselev-6098/ Voice of America ‘mere spam on our frequencies’ – Kiselyov Posted by: scalawag | Apr 9 2014 20:56 utc | 22 @scalawag #21: Posted by: Demian | Apr 9, 2014 5:02:33 PM | 23 Posted by: scalawag | Apr 9 2014 21:06 utc | 24 – “Why The Warfare State Demonizes Ramshackle Russia: To Stay In Business”. Posted by: Willy2 | Apr 9 2014 21:27 utc | 25 Speaking of Guardian comments on Ukraine, I too noticed that they have been offered in the last few days. A couple of weeks ago I had a comment that received 125 recommends and 30 replies, including many supporting the coup government, within a few hours and then it plus all of the replies were deleted as not conforming to “standards”. Even though they were deleting many of the comments, they were still running about 5 to 1 in support of Russia. Posted by: ToivoS | Apr 9 2014 21:53 utc | 27 The Red Line and the Rat Line
Posted by: Virgile | Apr 9 2014 21:53 utc | 28 Steve Cohen in 2011 on the fragility of the reset and the enlargement of NATO, plus the Russian sense of betrayal. Posted by: somebody | Apr 9 2014 21:55 utc | 29 I read in a couple of sources that as a matter of fact the Russian-Ukrainian borded hasn’t yet been demarked and fixed by a demarkation treaty, which means that technically from the point of view of international law and the UN there is no Russian-Ukrainian border and that there is no such thing as “ukrainian territorial integrity”. Please correct me if I am wrong, but it sounds like an astounding carte-blanche to OMNOMNOM quite a chunk out of Ukraine. Posted by: Grim Deadman | Apr 9 2014 22:03 utc | 30 This is Human Rights Watch, on Sept 10, 2013, doing their very best propagandistic infomercial for intervention in Syria: Posted by: Christine | Apr 9 2014 22:20 utc | 31 Posted by: Grim Deadman | Apr 9, 2014 6:03:09 PM | 30 Posted by: somebody | Apr 9 2014 22:27 utc | 32 @31 Posted by: Massinissa | Apr 9 2014 22:28 utc | 33 @30 I think the border is generally accepted as being between the Ukrainian SSR and the Russian SFSR. The Soviet Union was recognized by Roosevelt in 1933. Posted by: dh | Apr 9 2014 22:29 utc | 34 32 Posted by: Anonymous | Apr 9 2014 22:33 utc | 35
Yup, this is what I was talking about. A territorial dispute happens when you actually have an internationally ratified border. Here there is no real border to begin with. Again, I may be erroneous about how the system works, I am no lawyer. Posted by: Grim Deadman | Apr 9 2014 22:35 utc | 36 @34 Yeah, but as a federation the border between UkSSR and RSFSR would be an internal border and thus not subject to recognition. What was recoginzed was probably the entirety of USSR (and then again, the inclusion of the Baltic states was not recognized by the US up until the USSR fell apart). Posted by: Grim Deadman | Apr 9 2014 22:39 utc | 37 35 Posted by: somebody | Apr 9 2014 22:43 utc | 38 I’ve waited for about 3 years for these news Germans Align With Russians and Chinese Posted by: ProPeace | Apr 9 2014 22:45 utc | 39 35) Posted by: somebody | Apr 9 2014 22:46 utc | 40 plus 35)
Posted by: somebody | Apr 9 2014 22:52 utc | 41 It will be interesting to watch the situation in Ukraine in the next two days as the Neo-Nazi infested coup installed “Yats” regime is about ready to send in the thugs in Eastern cities where “pro-Russian” translation “anti-austerity” protesters are raising a ruckus. Typical hypocrisy in that the Obama-Kerry neocon alliance is having a shit fit over this after their own orchestrated putsch. I would strongly suspect that the tales of US corporate mercenaries that are dismissed by the corrupt media as “Putin propaganda” are true and the paid goons are going to join the Right Sector and Svoboda fascists and Neo-Nazis in liquidating the opposition. What a flaming bag of dogshit that neocon meddling has created. Posted by: Donn Marten | Apr 9 2014 23:07 utc | 42 http://ic1.static.km.ru/sites/default/files/imagecache/640×640/BkTVN7cCMAABAUI.jpg:large.jpeg Posted by: scalawag | Apr 9 2014 23:07 utc | 43 @ProPeace #40:
No “respectable” German publication would ever allow such an obviously correct observation to be published. Any recommendations for possible tourist destinations in S Russia for folks like me with scarcely any command of Russian? Looking to spend some Putin pounds… 🙂 Posted by: Cortes | Apr 9 2014 23:12 utc | 45 @Donn Marten #42:
I wonder about that myself. It would be nice to see a video of mercenaries in the Ukraine speaking with (likely southern) US accents. It’s of course perfectly possible that the fascist Kiev regime hired US mercenaries: that would be a quicker way to assemble an organized armed force than having to rebuild the Ukrainian military using only rabid nationalists. (I just realized that all talk of creating a “National Guard” has stopped. Probably Nuland told Kiev that that doesn’t sound good to Westerners.) @scalawag #43: Posted by: Demian | Apr 9, 2014 7:10:49 PM | 44 Posted by: somebody | Apr 9 2014 23:39 utc | 48 @45 Posted by: Sergey | Apr 9 2014 23:45 utc | 49 @48 Posted by: Sergey | Apr 9 2014 23:57 utc | 50 So let me get this straight: Churning out war propaganda, doing their best to promote war on false pretenses and turn Syria into a slaugherhouse like Fallujah….there’s nothing wrong with that, no, what’s outrageous to Human Rights Watch is the NSA might have spied on them… Posted by: truthbetold | Apr 9 2014 23:57 utc | 51 @somebody #48: Some here may be interested in fact I obtained via FOIA a version of the CIA’s KUBARK torture/interrogation manual, and it’s posted now with intro: How many Russians did the Germans murder? Aren’t they getting ready right now to ‘have a go’ at Russia again? Posted by: john francis lee | Apr 10 2014 0:15 utc | 54 #7 bevin – anyone ever tell you you’re too smart for your own good? how do you deal with the sheeple in your life once you know what it’s all about (this is a semi-sincere question, though I kind of know the answer. Well, sort of)> Posted by: Merlin2 | Apr 10 2014 0:21 utc | 55 @ Demian 46 Posted by: Donn Marten | Apr 10 2014 0:31 utc | 56 @john francis lee #54: Grieved said @ 5
A new Silk Road to Germany? DITTO !!
Pretty well correct. I would tweek, the Anglo-American Hate establishment of satanic societies is a committee of committees over contending élites led by no one. They despise each other and mirage queen Elizabeth NoName agrees to perform as leader. Without leadership the criminal financial sector is in terminal crisis, thus the US cannot invade countries any more so it reverts to terrorist war, the normal province of OSS then CIA. Today the Pentagon fights terrorist war through the candidly named Joint Special Operations Command—kill anybody any way any where. @49 Sergey: Spasiba: Posted by: Cortes | Apr 10 2014 1:03 utc | 59 @Posted by: bevin | Apr 9, 2014 3:10:55 PM | 7 Posted by: Robert Snefjella | Apr 10 2014 1:07 utc | 60
AWWWWH YEAH! Here we go again! Yes, please clarify for Robert, bevin. Posted by: JSorrentine | Apr 10 2014 1:16 utc | 61 The NY Times has an article on the situation in Donetsk that does not read like propaganda. This is the second fairly decent article on the Ukraine that I’ve run across in the Times; the Times actually seems to be less bad than the Guardian when it comes to the Ukraine/Russia, which makes the British press look pretty pathetic, IMO. 2 more critical takes on Afghan elections: Posted by: bonfire | Apr 10 2014 1:59 utc | 63 @59 Posted by: Sergey | Apr 10 2014 2:13 utc | 64 Hey bevin @7 Posted by: john francis lee | Apr 10 2014 2:21 utc | 65 @Sergey, what is the word in Russia on the recent GPS problem? Is this all propaganda, or are we in a cyberwar? Posted by: guest77 | Apr 10 2014 2:30 utc | 66 @66 Posted by: Sergey | Apr 10 2014 2:40 utc | 67 Posted by: Donn Marten | Apr 9, 2014 8:31:41 PM | 56 Posted by: scalawag | Apr 10 2014 2:49 utc | 68 @Sergey – It was this. Could be all 100% bullshit too. Posted by: guest77 | Apr 10 2014 2:55 utc | 69 bevin @ 7: Totally spot on critique on the empire. We can expect nothing less from elites in love with the theories of Ayn Rand. Kudos! Posted by: ben | Apr 10 2014 3:18 utc | 70 @69 Posted by: Sergey | Apr 10 2014 3:31 utc | 71 The funny thing about you, JSorrentine, is that just the other day, I asked you about this exactly, and you said “sadly we’ll never know who is behind Snowden” yet today it’s a simple retort to everyone within earshot: “Snowden – CIA Stooge!” Posted by: guest77 | Apr 10 2014 4:17 utc | 72 Interesting look at the Boston Bombings on Galloway’s “Sputnik”: Posted by: guest77 | Apr 10 2014 4:26 utc | 73 Yes, whowhatwhy.com is a site worth visiting from time to time. http://www.dailysabah.com/opinion/2014/04/08/putin-eyes-assad-victory-as-cold-war-triumph Posted by: james | Apr 10 2014 5:41 utc | 75 Talk of a “cold war triumph” is silly. What this is about is the USG’s inability to consolidate its position as hegemon of a unipolar world. Dave McGowan shows that the Boston bombings were a staged event, on the basis of pictures only Posted by: Headache | Apr 10 2014 6:26 utc | 77 38 somebody Posted by: Anonymous | Apr 10 2014 7:47 utc | 78 Breaking news: From Georgia’s military circles comes an announcement that four of the snipers that were active at Maidan are from Georgia, that their identities are now known, and that they are part of Sakashvilli’s, Georgia’s former president’s special forces that were trained in part precisely for such missions. Investigation is on going, and official charges are being prepared…………………….so there are special forces in Ukraine: and serving the Junta Posted by: brian | Apr 10 2014 8:02 utc | 79 Ukrainian Defense News Network Posted by: brian | Apr 10 2014 8:33 utc | 82 Guest77 #72 – that was perceptive psycohological profiling. It’s true – one finds these people on many conspiracy boards – it’s all white or pitch black. may be because they lost all faith in any authority whatsoever including the authority of human logic. There are indeed people who can no longer believe that anyone can still be motivated by simple human decency. When it’s all power relationships, there are no “good guys” anywhere. Only agents, users, abusers, masked men and lizards. Posted by: Merlin2 | Apr 10 2014 8:55 utc | 83 Merlin2 Posted by: Anonymous | Apr 10 2014 8:59 utc | 84 The Government of the People’s Republic of Donetsk , which gradually formed , is to assume full control over all the cities of the region , told RIA Novosti one of the leading supporters of the federalization of Ukraine, member of the self-proclaimed People’s Government of the People’s Republic of Donetsk , the deputy head of the People’s Militia Donbass Sergei Zyplakov . Posted by: brian | Apr 10 2014 9:16 utc | 85 ‘Kirovograd Berkut refused to obey orders of the fascist junta! Kirovograd commandos “Berkut” said against the people will not go! Posted by: brian | Apr 10 2014 9:27 utc | 86 83 Merlin – agreed, yes, choices. If he’s a shill, he’s playing with levels of communication I don’t believe even bankers can control. For me and others I know, everything changed because of Snowden. It was a matter of scale rather than detail. Posted by: Grieved | Apr 10 2014 9:30 utc | 87
Was Obama sent to the Vatican to contain this direction, was this why the Pontiff looked so disgustingly at him. Interpret the Mayan Long Count, there is more to come. Posted by: hans | Apr 10 2014 9:39 utc | 88 Russian Market @russian_market 47m Posted by: brian | Apr 10 2014 9:46 utc | 89 @7 Posted by: Chip Nihk | Apr 10 2014 9:59 utc | 90 Good riddance! Orwellian US propaganda tool VOA finished in Russia Posted by: ProPeace | Apr 10 2014 10:15 utc | 91 @83 Posted by: Chip Nihk | Apr 10 2014 10:20 utc | 92 @scalawag 68 Posted by: Donn Marten | Apr 10 2014 10:37 utc | 93 Anatoly Karlin @akarlin88 15h Posted by: brian | Apr 10 2014 10:41 utc | 94 American spy caught by Russia! Posted by: Anonymous | Apr 10 2014 10:54 utc | 95 theyve arrived Posted by: brian | Apr 10 2014 11:06 utc | 96 http://voiceofrussia.com/2014_04_10/US-pays-8-million-a-month-to-have-its-private-armies-deployed-in-Ukraine-British-press-2344/ Posted by: scalawag | Apr 10 2014 11:45 utc | 97 http://rt.com/news/kiev-forces-eastern-ukraine-512/ Standoff between gvt, protesters intensifies, 24 hours before Kiev ultimatum ends Posted by: scalawag | Apr 10 2014 11:50 utc | 98 scalawag, Posted by: Anonymous | Apr 10 2014 12:01 utc | 99 American general talks crap and gets humiliatingly demolished by a blogger. Posted by: scalawag | Apr 10 2014 12:08 utc | 100 |
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