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April 09, 2014

Open Thread 2013-10

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Posted by b on April 9, 2014 at 17:59 UTC | Permalink

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We should remember that "le parfait est l'ennemi du bon" (perfection is the enemy of the good). In other words (mit anderen Wörtern), take what is good from somebody and ignore the bad--you will learn more that way.

Posted by: Albertde | Apr 9 2014 18:32 utc | 1


Pffft, that can be used to excuse bad people though. People use that to defend reprehensible sellouts like Obama.

Posted by: Massinissa | Apr 9 2014 18:39 utc | 2

I am not excusing the bad just saying listen and look at the message, not the person.

Posted by: Albertde | Apr 9 2014 18:54 utc | 3


Cant that also be a problem? Messages can be lies. To use Obama as an example again, his rhetoric is really nice... Except he doesnt mean any of it at all.

Though, if youre referring specifically to Snowdens 'message', referencing the extensive debate in the previous thread about him, then I agree with you.

Posted by: Massinissa | Apr 9 2014 19:00 utc | 4

in case this hasn't been linked yet, I wanted to share this news by F. William Engdahl about China's proposal for a new Silk Road linking to Germany (through Russia of course) as an economic development zone:

It's the most uplifting news I've read since Crimea went home.

Posted by: Grieved | Apr 9 2014 19:02 utc | 5

The Snowden psyop continues with yet another expose in Vanity Fair (tomorrow) which starts with yet MORE self-aggrandizing horseshit from hero du jour Snowden and it gets worse and worse (if you're a fanboy, that is):

“Every person remembers some moment in their life where they witnessed some injustice, big or small, and looked away, because the consequences of intervening seemed too intimidating,” former National Security Agency contractor Edward Snowden tells Vanity Fair about his motivation for leaking tens of thousands of secret documents. “But there’s a limit to the amount of incivility and inequality and inhumanity that each individual can tolerate. I crossed that line. And I’m no longer alone.”


In response to this claim, Snowden replies, “The N.S.A. at this point not only knows I raised complaints, but that there is evidence that I made my concerns known to the N.S.A.’s lawyers, because I did some of it through e-mail. I directly challenge the N.S.A. to deny that I contacted N.S.A. oversight and compliance bodies directly via e-mail and that I specifically expressed concerns about their suspect interpretation of the law, and I welcome members of Congress to request a written answer to this question [from the N.S.A.].”


On the crucial ways he differs from WikiLeaks founder Julian Assange: “We don’t share identical politics. I am not anti-secrecy. I’m pro-accountability. I’ve made many statements indicating both the importance of secrecy and spying, and my support for the working-level people at the N.S.A. and other agencies. It’s the senior officials you have to watch out for.”

So, putting aside the fact that everyone in the entire NSA had to know that Mr. Hero-boy was a problem as he basically repeatedly emailed the entire NSA staff that he was a security-risk - Dear NSA: Please watch me, I hate the what the NSA does! Love, Edward - and that therefore his leaks should be considered shit (which is what people have been saying from day one) besides all that we're asked to believe that this young man of conscience (chortle) - who remember signed up for the Army in 2004 right after the Abu Gharib scandal at a time when nearly everyone who really had a conscience knew for a fact that the entire GWOT - but especially the Iraq War - was a murderous spree of war criminality - was finally set over the edge - again, after stints at the CIA and NSA - because the NSA was invading people's privacy? Srsly?!!

"The murder and mayhem caused by mid-level operatives at the CIA/NSA/DIA", opined Mr. Snowden,"that's shit's cool and like I'm totally down with that, bra. It's like the guys in charge and stuff and like privacy things...and SAN DIMAS HIGH SCHOOL FOOTBALL RULES!!!"

And f*cking fanboys STILL believe this stooge?

Posted by: JSorrentine | Apr 9 2014 19:06 utc | 6

Events in the Ukraine exemplify the distinguishing characteristics of US foreign policy.

1/ It is all tactics and no strategy.
The tactics, which run from bribery and intimidation directed against individual oligarchs to rentamob coups carried out by fascists directed by allied Secret Police forces, all in a cloud of ‘arms length’ propaganda in media licensed and controlled by the imperial state, vary little from Syria and Iraq to Central Asia, from East Africa to the Balkans, from Caracas to Kiev, from Cuba to Iran. US tactics are employed, without real variation, in all cultures. There is never a need to take local considerations into account. The world is divided between America-guided by providence-and a world aspiring to become American.

2/The Empire is an enormously powerful animal directed by a brain so small as to be negligible. Lacking a brain this animal relies entirely on instinctive reactions and repetition. It does what it always did, only more so, guided by the idea that what, in the past, did not lead to disaster must be safe in the future. What worked in Belgrade fifteen years ago will work in Damascus or Kiev today and tomorrow. This is particularly true of US propaganda which never changes: no allowance is made for the likelihood that the public will find US claims difficult to believe. If the public has a hard time understanding that Putin is Hitler and the Galician SS are generous hearted, liberal minded freedom lovers (who sincerely regret the youthful enthusiasm that led their founders to promise the actual Hitler that they would kill every Jew in the country) then the obvious solution is to repeat it, more clearly and much louder.

3/ Strategy is unnecessary and brains a waste of nutrition because the future is known : America’s victory is certain. It is written in the stars, it is the logical conclusion of historical evolution; Adam Smith prophesied it, as did Milton Friedman and Francis Fukuyama . The mighty prevail, wealth and muscle always beat poverty and solidarity. Demagogy always beats reason. Bullshit always baffles brains. Propaganda wipes the floor with truth. Ruthless amorality never loses to honesty and principled behaviour. Half of the working class can always be bribed to shoot the other half.

4/ Allies are cannon fodder.
Citizens of countries lucky enough to be satellites of the Empire must pay for the privilege. In the Cold War this meant that, while the US missiles targeted Kiev, Moscow, Leningrad and other Soviet cities for destruction the equivalent Soviet targets were Rome, Paris, London and Frankfurt. When US manouevres in Germany risked provoking Red Army tank offensives the brunt of any war would have fallen on Europeans.
Currently it is the allies of the US which suffer from sanctions against Russia, Iran and other states defying US hegemony. The US loses nothing by boycotting Russian gas and oil but the lights could go out in western Europe. Germany and France export not only goods but capital to Russia, sanctions will cost their economies dearly. Similarly Australia is constantly forced to ruin its burgeoning relationships with its Asian neighbours just to please Uncle Sam.

5/ The US ruling class, long protected from socio-political realities by the country’s history of racism and the tides of immigration and emigration which disrupt emerging class consciousness, insists that its clients, the Merkels, Hollandes and Camerons of this world, impose on their electorates the crudely divisive policies that its corporations-influenced by wet behind the ears ideologues-demand. This has meant that the carefully negotiated compromises behind the welfare state, the” mixed” economy and equalisation of opportunity through the educational system as well as co-operation between unions and capital are all being jettisoned as Europe is “americanised.” Police forces are militarised, society riven through with spies and provocateurs, war, at home and abroad, is celebrated and national budgets directed to privilege the armament salesmen at the expense of home building, health programmes and national welfare.

6/ As everyone knows, among the most efficient ways of consolidating ingredients is to surround them and subject them to pressure.
This is the course that the USA, for reasons incomprehensible to the merely rational of mind, has decided to adopt towards its rivals in China and Russia. After cleverly separating these two powers in the sixties and seventies-setting them at each other’s throats and, thereby, gaining for the US a dominant position in the world, the Americans have now decided not only to drive China and Russia into each other’s arms, forcing them into a defensive alliance, but in doing so to squeeze the US out of its hard won Central Asian “lily pads.”
Or does anyone imagine that the post soviet independent ‘Stans of Central Asia will defy both giant neighbours in order to retain the company of the US military?
Nor is that all: Iran is also being forced into an alliance with Russia and China. Thus three governments, ideologically separated along a spectrum running from Communism, through oligarchical capitalism to shia islam, with only an interest in long term survival in common, are being forced into an alliance with enormous national, physical and cultural resources, dwarfing those of the US and its satellites.
If this alliance does gel-and constant pressure is a certain way of ensuring that it will-it will become the focus for an international coalition against the Empire. The remaining BRICS countries will naturally gravitate towards such a bloc. So will all those countries, such as the Latin American and Caribbean peoples, desperate to regain sovereignty from the gringo and his death squads.

7/ European fascism was always rooted in a not inaccurate appreciation of the history of the United States. Its racism and its exterminism were both modelled on the American mythology.
In a real sense, the USA was the premier breeding ground of fascist ideas , genocide and ethnic cleansing in the modern world. But the US itself has moved beyond ideology, it sees itself as simply following the course of necessity, surfing on the wave of history. So, beyond wanting more, it has no ideas, no hopes for the future, no ambitions. This leaves a void in its culture, a vacuum of the sort nature will not tolerate. Into this small space Zionism has expanded. And Israel, dominated by fascists, has eagerly adjusted its politics to conform with the plot of a very sleazy “B” western, with the Palestinian people cast as the “Indians” and a peculiar amalgam of refugees from mittel europe playing the parts of the Pioneers, the cowboys and the speculators in stolen land. All protected by the US military where careers depend upon scaremongering

8/ Nothing is more mysterious and yet more obvious than an entity in the grip of suicidal urges.
Why the US wants to destroy itself is a complex problem, the discussion of which will have to be postponed, but that it is in the grip of a death wish is undeniable.
That is why all its tactics abroad clearly signal that their real efficacy is at home. The colour revolutions are designed to appeal to the American in all of us. It doesn’t matter whether we are in Belgrade, Beirut or Caracas the appeal is to the young, ambitious, and shallow minded, and the lilywhite of heart- the rootless cosmopolitans who believe in blue jeans, vulgar parodies of soul music and the ineffable beauties of Florida. These are the people who want to go to America because Kim Kardashian and Arnold Schwartznegger are there and even the downtrodden blacks live like Bill Cosby, to whom money is no object and the milk and honey which coat the golden pavements, passes unnoticed.
Among those who watch the Maidan Square “protesters” fight the cops to a draw, all the while cheered by the Assistant Secretary of State for Europe and the EU’s top bureaucrats, and nod their heads as the media clothes coups in the legitimacy of popular sovereignty, and attend while the President defends the violence of those intolerably oppressed, the unemployed, the poor and the marginalised. The victims of oligarchs, denied democratic remedies and forced into violence...among these are the American people, the millions of illegals, living as virtual slaves and doing the work that cannot be done by citizens because it pays less than the law insists on, the tens of millions, mainly children, their mothers and the elderly, living off food stamps, a dollar or two a day, those among the 50% without work who need but cannot find employment, about one in five adult Americans at best guess, then there are the millions of graduates, most of them shouldering enormous debts at usurious interest rates, reluctant to admit that if they can find work at all it will have no connection to the investment they have made in their education. And that their future lies in routine “Joe” jobs, soft prostitution and precarious part time employment, often of a banal and humiliating nature-servants without security or personal relationships, uncared for caregivers or thugs in uniform.

9/ The United States no longer functions except as a military machine careening out of control.

Politically it is so corrupt that representative institutions no longer provide it with the safety valves through which popular anger can be discharged in electoral or other campaigns. The electoral process has lost all credibility while popular movements are swiftly and ruthlessly suppressed-this was the real lesson of the Occupy movement.

Economically, the US is in the position of a trust fund drunkard consuming capital. The vast material inheritance of the continent is being rapidly dissipated: the very bases of life, potable water, fertile soil, vital links in the food chain including bees and other pollinators are being wiped out. The physical environment is rapidly degenerating, while engineered infrastructure, such as roads, bridges, sea walls, levees and sewage systems are suffering from the neglect that is the fate of all non-profit centres.

Socially the population is suffering from declining standards of education, which is increasingly vocational and corrupt, falling health levels, a function of bad diet, overwork, stress and pollution as well as a commercialised medical system. It is also suffering from unemployment, inequality, de-skilling, as service work replaces labour in agriculture and manufacturing, and other symptoms of the Depression into which it is still plunging.

10/ The world-facing the reality of climate change caused by human activity- is waking up to the fact that it cannot afford to allow the US not only to continue to deny the reality that change is vital to the survival of our species, and many others, but to infect the culture with its laissez faire stupidity and cynical dishonesty. The danger is that the enemies of the planet will find succour, support and refuge in the United States just as Balkan terrorists, Latin American death squads and wahhabised military robots do. Mankind's 'last best hope' has become its most urgent and dangerous threat.

Posted by: bevin | Apr 9 2014 19:10 utc | 7


What are you talking about?
You sounds like mccain with that hate.

Posted by: Anonymous | Apr 9 2014 19:11 utc | 8

Ukraine send troops, tanks to East ukraine demonstrations.

Posted by: Anonymous | Apr 9 2014 19:18 utc | 9

JSorrentine, which branch of government do you work for?

Posted by: billschee | Apr 9 2014 19:21 utc | 10

@8 Do I detect a touch of jealousy in JS' anti-Snowden tirades? Is he not getting enough attention?

Posted by: dh | Apr 9 2014 19:27 utc | 11

bevin, I'm sending your post to my listserve - eloquent and precise. Thanks.

Posted by: okie farmer | Apr 9 2014 19:44 utc | 12

Yup, I just hates me some Snowden for no reason whatsoever. It's not that his entire story in nonsensical horseshit, that he hasn't told us anything new (but he confirmed it, scream the fanboys!), that he has helped TPTB set up an "appropriate" way - meaning one which in no way shape or form threatens anything TPTB care about - for future whistleblowers to act, that he has helped create the parameters for a fake "debate" about spying and surveillance (oh, so you think spying and surveillance are good, huh, Edward?), that he STILL urges people to remain on their devices and online even though that's exactly what people should NOT be doing if his stale info is to be believed and that he's the hero of war criminal organizations like HRW and Amnesty - cf. Libya, Syria, Ukraine, etc - where he gives speeches to packed houses and gets standing o's with his "journo" friends who are directly employed by billionaires who finance neo-nazi putsches.

Yup, I'm just a Debbie Downer because apparently I'm not taking the appropriate meds to provide me with the willful ignorance needed to buy into such an obvious fairy tale horseshit.

Or is it something in my diet that doesn't allow me to cozen up to the war criminal agencies - e.g., the CIA and NSA - and the system that spawned them like Edward and Glenn tell me I should? Maybe if I get more potassium, I'll come to understand a la Edward and Glenn that what is really needed in the US is simply a culling of the few "bad apples" at the top of said agencies and - of course - some more billionaire-backed "responsible" journos to help me filter information and make better sense of the world around me. Or is it fish oil I need?

Lord knows, I've almost OD-ed on snake oil.

Posted by: JSorrentine | Apr 9 2014 19:52 utc | 13

@8 @10 @11
Thanks for your very informative posts.

Posted by: tod | Apr 9 2014 19:52 utc | 14

To Bevin @7 A powerful piece of writing with some great phrases. Good to see your writing again at MOA. I agree with your review and wonder "what is to be done" Many years I thought counter culture could change the world, now I am suspicious that the counter culture generation is now in the driving seat and a source of world troubles.

Posted by: Midan | Apr 9 2014 19:55 utc | 15

It is hard to understand where js's snowden hatred comes from. To be sure, there are too many people on the left that see a CIA conspiracy in everything. If not for that it would be easy to dismiss js as a rightwing troll who wants to discredit the wonderful actions Snowden has performed for all of us concerned about the powers of the police state. Thus it is probably simpler to just attribute him as another son of the bourgeoisie driven to a frenzy by the horrors of capitalism, to borrow from Lenin. This is a frenzy that is motivated by hate, anger and jealousy that destroys common sense.

Posted by: ToivoS | Apr 9 2014 20:02 utc | 16

213 Stay on track JS. You are beginning to develop a healthy skepticism.

Posted by: dh | Apr 9 2014 20:04 utc | 17

just put sour teen on ignore.. he's like some raving lunatic in an insane asylum and i am not into watching a re-run of one flew over the cuckoos nest anymore.

anyone heard of "The Parliamentary Assembly of the Council of Europe"?

Posted by: james | Apr 9 2014 20:14 utc | 18

US mercenaries in Ukraine? "The Russian Foreign Ministry made a stunning allegation today that the American private security company Greystone, which is registered in Barbados and is widely regarded as a proxy firm of the US intelligence, has been deployed in the southern regions of Ukraine. The statement was specific, mentioning the deployment of 150 “American mercenaries” from Greystone."

Seems that O'bomber is begging to provoke a war...

Posted by: JohnH | Apr 9 2014 20:25 utc | 19

Some fresh videos from donetsk

Posted by: Anonymous | Apr 9 2014 20:39 utc | 20

President Putin wins over world leaders with 92 percent of public approval – poll

The poll was conducted by the Independent.

Posted by: scalawag | Apr 9 2014 20:42 utc | 21 Voice of America 'mere spam on our frequencies' - Kiselyov

""It doesn't have anything to do with freedom of speech because the Voice of America and the Voice of Svoboda have nothing original to say," Kiselyov said in a March 21 letter to the US Broadcasting Board of Governors (BBG), which coordinates broadcasting of the two outlets. "They sound like they broadcast from another world, at least from a world that doesn't exist anymore.

I regard these radio stations as mere spam on our frequencies." Kiselyov, who also hosts a prime-time television show, described the US radio station as boring and said it was lacking in self-criticism. "We are not going to cooperate anymore," Kiselyov said adding that he didn't feel compelled to help "these radio spammers" air their shows in Russia."

What he said about VoA and RS applies across the board to USA media, and the majority of western media.

Posted by: scalawag | Apr 9 2014 20:56 utc | 22

@scalawag #21:

Someone noted in a Guardian comment that the Guardian has shut off comments on most stories about the Ukraine. That the comments were going roughly five to one in favor of Russia is probably the reason why.

Posted by: Demian | Apr 9 2014 21:02 utc | 23

Posted by: Demian | Apr 9, 2014 5:02:33 PM | 23

"the Guardian has shut off comments on most stories about the Ukraine. That the comments were going roughly five to one in favor of Russia is probably the reason why."

They have a long history of that kind of petty behavior.

Posted by: scalawag | Apr 9 2014 21:06 utc | 24

- "Why The Warfare State Demonizes Ramshackle Russia: To Stay In Business".

- According to Willy Wimmer (aid of the former german chancellor Helmut Kohl) the US has drawn a line from Riga to Odessa and from there to Diyabakir (Turkey). The US considers everything west of that line to be "Europe" (to be saved by NATO) and what's east of that line is allowed to fall apart or what ever may happen.


Posted by: Willy2 | Apr 9 2014 21:27 utc | 25

Keeping up with the Maoists.

Posted by: ruralito | Apr 9 2014 21:45 utc | 26

Speaking of Guardian comments on Ukraine, I too noticed that they have been offered in the last few days. A couple of weeks ago I had a comment that received 125 recommends and 30 replies, including many supporting the coup government, within a few hours and then it plus all of the replies were deleted as not conforming to "standards". Even though they were deleting many of the comments, they were still running about 5 to 1 in support of Russia.

Posted by: ToivoS | Apr 9 2014 21:53 utc | 27

The Red Line and the Rat Line
Seymour M. Hersh on Obama, Erdoğan and the Syrian rebels

A forced alliance with a moral leper, Turkish Prime Minister Erdogan

Turkey is ruled by one of the most corrupt, unscrupulous, and morally repellant figures in recent history. Along with key allies and family members, Prime Minister Recep Tayyip Erdogan, a former member of the Muslim Brotherhood, has been caught on published wiretaps engaging in a variety of criminal activities. The list is long and includes bid rigging, direct interference in court cases, firing hundreds of prosecutors and detectives who have uncovered his corruption, and staging a missile attack on his own country as an excuse to attack Syria.

Erdogan is also participated in the scandalous custom of child brides in Turkey when he went to court in 2003 to allow his son to marry a minor.

The man is a degenerate and a tyrant. He's also a strong supporter of the U.S. - NATO attack on Syria and the head of a major NATO country. The "rat line" that supplies the extremist Syrian rebels could not function without Turkish participation.

Posted by: Virgile | Apr 9 2014 21:53 utc | 28

Steve Cohen in 2011 on the fragility of the reset and the enlargement of NATO, plus the Russian sense of betrayal.

Posted by: somebody | Apr 9 2014 21:55 utc | 29

I read in a couple of sources that as a matter of fact the Russian-Ukrainian borded hasn't yet been demarked and fixed by a demarkation treaty, which means that technically from the point of view of international law and the UN there is no Russian-Ukrainian border and that there is no such thing as "ukrainian territorial integrity". Please correct me if I am wrong, but it sounds like an astounding carte-blanche to OMNOMNOM quite a chunk out of Ukraine.

Posted by: Grim Deadman | Apr 9 2014 22:03 utc | 30

This is Human Rights Watch, on Sept 10, 2013, doing their very best propagandistic infomercial for intervention in Syria:

Syria: Government Likely Culprit in Chemical Attack!

New Evidence based on Rocket Analysis, Witness Accounts!

[Insert picture here of a mother and father weeping over the body of their child, killed in an alleged chemical weapons attack on Ghouta, Syria, on August 21, 2013.]

"Available evidence strongly suggests that Syrian government forces were responsible for chemical weapons attacks on two Damascus suburbs on August 21, 2013. These attacks, which killed hundreds of civilians including many children, appeared to use a weapons-grade nerve agent, most likely Sarin."

And this is Human Rights Watch on April 8, 2014:

“If it’s true that the NSA spied on groups like Human Rights Watch and Amnesty International, it’s outrageous...

Protection of human rights defenders has been a priority for the US State Department and such actions would fly in the face of closely held values of freedom of association and expression, Human Rights Watch said."

So let me get this straight: Churning out war propaganda, doing their best to promote war on false pretenses and turn Syria into a slaugherhouse like Fallujah....there's nothing wrong with that, no, what's outrageous to Human Rights Watch is the NSA might have spied on them...

Posted by: Christine | Apr 9 2014 22:20 utc | 31

Posted by: Grim Deadman | Apr 9, 2014 6:03:09 PM | 30

Have a look here. There are disputed areas but Crimea was not one of them.

That's why Russia's military did not wear Russian uniforms.

Posted by: somebody | Apr 9 2014 22:27 utc | 32


Yes, HRW is CIA.

That doesnt mean Snowden is smart enough to know that.

He might just be an idiot. Doesnt necessarily mean hes a CIA collaborator.

I mean, MOST of America doesnt know HRW is CIA front. Its not like Snowden would be without company on being naive on this.

Posted by: Massinissa | Apr 9 2014 22:28 utc | 33

@30 I think the border is generally accepted as being between the Ukrainian SSR and the Russian SFSR. The Soviet Union was recognized by Roosevelt in 1933.

Posted by: dh | Apr 9 2014 22:29 utc | 34

Is that something you made up by yourself or you got a source for that about uniforms?

Posted by: Anonymous | Apr 9 2014 22:33 utc | 35

In reality Ukraine does not have real established and ratified borders with Russia, Belarus, and Moldova

Yup, this is what I was talking about. A territorial dispute happens when you actually have an internationally ratified border. Here there is no real border to begin with. Again, I may be erroneous about how the system works, I am no lawyer.

Posted by: Grim Deadman | Apr 9 2014 22:35 utc | 36

@34 Yeah, but as a federation the border between UkSSR and RSFSR would be an internal border and thus not subject to recognition. What was recoginzed was probably the entirety of USSR (and then again, the inclusion of the Baltic states was not recognized by the US up until the USSR fell apart).

Posted by: Grim Deadman | Apr 9 2014 22:39 utc | 37

just google "crimea russian soldiers uniforms" and pick your source.

Here eg is Reuters.

Posted by: somebody | Apr 9 2014 22:43 utc | 38

I've waited for about 3 years for these news Germans Align With Russians and Chinese

Posted by: ProPeace | Apr 9 2014 22:45 utc | 39

This source is even better - the Russians denied they had soldiers in Crimea.

Posted by: somebody | Apr 9 2014 22:46 utc | 40

plus 35)
this here includes a Putin quote

"There are many military uniforms. Go into any local shop and you can find one," Putin said of the so-called pro-Russia "local defense forces," according to a translation in the Times."

Posted by: somebody | Apr 9 2014 22:52 utc | 41

It will be interesting to watch the situation in Ukraine in the next two days as the Neo-Nazi infested coup installed "Yats" regime is about ready to send in the thugs in Eastern cities where "pro-Russian" translation "anti-austerity" protesters are raising a ruckus. Typical hypocrisy in that the Obama-Kerry neocon alliance is having a shit fit over this after their own orchestrated putsch. I would strongly suspect that the tales of US corporate mercenaries that are dismissed by the corrupt media as "Putin propaganda" are true and the paid goons are going to join the Right Sector and Svoboda fascists and Neo-Nazis in liquidating the opposition. What a flaming bag of dogshit that neocon meddling has created.

Wonder if they get paid by the number of skulls that they crack.

Posted by: Donn Marten | Apr 9 2014 23:07 utc | 42

"Belgrade 1999, democracy American style"


"Sevastopol 2014, democracy Russian style"

Posted by: scalawag | Apr 9 2014 23:07 utc | 43

@ProPeace #40:

Nice find.

Germany has been occupied by U.S. forces of all kinds, from military to financial forces, since WWII. Germans have become more and more outraged over their enslavement. Most have been relatively quiet about their outrage, largely because they do not have nuclear forces to counter the ever-present, ultimate, life-and-death threat of the vast doomsday arsenal of the U.S. [They have "off the shelf" nuclear capabilities, meaning they could build nuclear weapons quickly, but they would all be dead long before those could become operational weapons, if the U.S. saw them moving in that direction to free themselves from American enslavement.]

No "respectable" German publication would ever allow such an obviously correct observation to be published.

Posted by: Demian | Apr 9 2014 23:10 utc | 44

Any recommendations for possible tourist destinations in S Russia for folks like me with scarcely any command of Russian? Looking to spend some Putin pounds... :)

Posted by: Cortes | Apr 9 2014 23:12 utc | 45

@Donn Marten #42:

I would strongly suspect that the tales of US corporate mercenaries that are dismissed by the corrupt media as "Putin propaganda" are true

I wonder about that myself. It would be nice to see a video of mercenaries in the Ukraine speaking with (likely southern) US accents. It's of course perfectly possible that the fascist Kiev regime hired US mercenaries: that would be a quicker way to assemble an organized armed force than having to rebuild the Ukrainian military using only rabid nationalists. (I just realized that all talk of creating a "National Guard" has stopped. Probably Nuland told Kiev that that doesn't sound good to Westerners.)

But even if the fascists haven't hired American mercenaries, it's still very good propaganda to claim they have.

Posted by: Demian | Apr 9 2014 23:22 utc | 46

@scalawag #43:

Sad but very true.

Unfortunately, even the most "enlightened" "progressives" almost universally see NATO's bombing of Yugoslavia as perfectly justified, even if they were against the bombing/invasion of Afghanistan, Iraq, and Libya. No doubt because a Democrat bombed Yugoslavia, and the people bombed were not brown, so the progressives don't have to worry that they are racist if they supported the bombing.

Posted by: Demian | Apr 9 2014 23:30 utc | 47

Posted by: Demian | Apr 9, 2014 7:10:49 PM | 44

Most Germans consider themselves freed from a dictatorship, to the great costs of Russian, French, British and American people.

Posted by: somebody | Apr 9 2014 23:39 utc | 48


>> Any recommendations for possible tourist destinations in S Russia for folks like me with scarcely any command of Russian? Looking to spend some Putin pounds... :)

Cortes, I'd be glad to recommend anything knowing you prefs which I have no idea about.

What I could say right away though is that S Russia is indeed a special case. One argues they have more "Ukrainian" accent in Rostov area than in Donetsk area. The reason is that "Ukrainian accent" is just less urban Russian one.

Posted by: Sergey | Apr 9 2014 23:45 utc | 49


>> Most Germans consider themselves freed from a dictatorship, to the great costs of Russian, French, British and American people.

I'm wondering why did you place "dictatorship" 1st. In my perception it was the Nazism which did have a cost for all you mentioned to free the Germany of.

Would you elaborate on how you link "dictatorship" with the will to sacrifice whatever you have to terminate the ppl of the other ethnic origin?

I admit the probability of the last one could be higher on "dictatorship" model but it's not zero in any other so it won't count.

Posted by: Sergey | Apr 9 2014 23:57 utc | 50

So let me get this straight: Churning out war propaganda, doing their best to promote war on false pretenses and turn Syria into a slaugherhouse like Fallujah....there's nothing wrong with that, no, what's outrageous to Human Rights Watch is the NSA might have spied on them...

Posted by: Christine | Apr 9, 2014 6:20:14 PM | 31

"Joe Stork, deputy Middle East director at Human Rights Watch (HRW), said, "It is disturbing that the Obama administration, which already has a record of resisting international accountability for Israeli rights abuses, would also oppose steps to adopt treaties requiring Palestinian authorities to uphold human rights.

"HRW also said Washington appears to oppose Palestine joining human rights treaties in part because it is afraid they will gain greater support for Palestinian statehood outside the framework of negotiations with Israel."

Let me get you straight, JS-take the good and emphasize it, while correcting the bad. I mean when HRW said this, it wasn't "doing its best"
to create a Palestinian state or to alert the rank and file American to the fact Israel owns Obama, was it? Although a perceptive American
might have considered it and then opposed all the more any attempt by Obama to involve us in Syria, for Israel's sake.

Posted by: truthbetold | Apr 9 2014 23:57 utc | 51

@somebody #48:

Do you honestly think that the Germans would not have eventually freed themselves from their dictatorship, the way that the Russians freed themselves of theirs?

The Russians had to defend themselves against the Nazis; that is perfectly true. But the Brits and the Yanks got into the war not to free Germans from a dictatorship (the US is the main sponsor of dictatorships today), but for purely geopolitical reasons.

Also, I'm sure that the Germans are very thankful to the Americans and the British for subjecting them to militarily useless strategic bombing, leading to the murder of between 400,000 and 600,000 German civilians.

Posted by: Demian | Apr 10 2014 0:00 utc | 52

Some here may be interested in fact I obtained via FOIA a version of the CIA's KUBARK torture/interrogation manual, and it's posted now with intro:

After 16 years, CIA declassifies new portions of "KUBARK" interrogation manual
Newly released sections reveal details of rendition and liaison with foreign intelligence services

Posted by: Jeff Kaye | Apr 10 2014 0:10 utc | 53

How many Russians did the Germans murder? Aren't they getting ready right now to 'have a go' at Russia again?

Posted by: john francis lee | Apr 10 2014 0:15 utc | 54

#7 bevin - anyone ever tell you you're too smart for your own good? how do you deal with the sheeple in your life once you know what it's all about (this is a semi-sincere question, though I kind of know the answer. Well, sort of)>

Posted by: Merlin2 | Apr 10 2014 0:21 utc | 55

@ Demian 46

Given the weeping and gnashing of teeth over the loss of the $10 billion in Crimea's natural resources I just can't see the likes of Chevron and all of those other big corporations not bringing in some hired pros to keep more money from slipping through their bloody claws.

Like you say, it would be nice to have some video show up of mercs dressed in those creepy stocking mask paramilitary outfits speaking with southern accents.

The denials of Greystone don't pass the bullshit meter test.

Posted by: Donn Marten | Apr 10 2014 0:31 utc | 56

@john francis lee #54:

Your point is not entirely without merit. The FRG was the first country to recognize the independence of Croatia, continuing the anti-Serbian policy Germany pursued under the Nazis. The idiot Helmut Kohl thought Germany would get a foothold in Eastern Europe, but the US quickly outmaneuvered him.

Posted by: Demian | Apr 10 2014 0:37 utc | 57

Grieved said @ 5

It's the most uplifting news I've read since Crimea went home.

A new Silk Road to Germany? DITTO !!

And Bevin said @ 7

The Empire is an enormously powerful animal directed by a brain so small as to be negligible.

Pretty well correct. I would tweek, the Anglo-American Hate establishment of satanic societies is a committee of committees over contending élites led by no one. They despise each other and mirage queen Elizabeth NoName agrees to perform as leader. Without leadership the criminal financial sector is in terminal crisis, thus the US cannot invade countries any more so it reverts to terrorist war, the normal province of OSS then CIA. Today the Pentagon fights terrorist war through the candidly named Joint Special Operations Command—kill anybody any way any where.

Midan @ 15 asks “What is to be done?”

Strategically at the domestic level, nag webmasters to nag the nationalist moral élite to invade the country’s main party to displace the globalist Masonic fleas, spiders and scorpions with patriots of statesmanlike potential. But I have been nagging this suggestion for five years and have not even been abused, just ignored. Ah me.

Posted by: Michaël | Apr 10 2014 0:40 utc | 58

@49 Sergey: Spasiba:

Are there decent facilities (hotel, beach &c) for older single guy (not looking for sex tourism nor cia infiltration &c) just chance to stroll along, maybe converse in English, Spanish, Portuguese, French, tiny.bit of German. Perhaps discuss Bulgakov, Gogol, Lermontov...?
Oblomov of Glasgow :)

Posted by: Cortes | Apr 10 2014 1:03 utc | 59

@Posted by: bevin | Apr 9, 2014 3:10:55 PM | 7
Perhaps I'm semantically challenged, but your powerful summary began with a very broad statement: that there is no strategy to US foreign policy.

What you appear to be saying is that there is no planning involved whatsoever, that all is random.

Even if tactics are launched bereft of actual strategic considerations, shit still happens: the immediate tactic, say, an arranged suicide bombing, or an economic sanction, or a lie much repeated, will have short, medium and long term influence/consequences.

But to say that there is no strategic planning whatsoever? Or did you mean that US foreign policy strategic planning is at cross purposes, that different factions are not coordinated? Or that those calling the strategic shots are seriously incompetent?

Tactics and strategy are typically chosen to pursue larger general goals:
A few of many examples of larger general goals relating to US foreign policy are when the Pentagon explicitly pursues “full spectrum dominance”, or when prominent members of the the Council on Foreign Relations or Professor Quigley allude to elite attempts to construct a system of global governance, or when large scale global population reduction is obsessed over by elite circles, (See William Engdahl's piece on the “Good Club”)

or when the Rand Corporation defines war as desirable for economic reasons:

“RAND corporation, a Pentagon-linked powerhouse think tank, connected to the Blderberg Group, Trilateral Commission and Council on Foreign Relations, came up with a solution to the financial crisis in October of 2008: for the United States to start a major war. “

The above quote from the fifth in a series of articles on global governance and totalitarian trends by Andrew Gavin Marshall from 2009 at

So we have identifiable tactics and stated goals but no planning? How can that be?

While I'm at it, the human-driven climate change that you refer to late in the piece is debatable imo. Global temperatures over the last 15 or so years have been pretty up and down flat, but there has been an enormous effort through geo-engineering over that period to influence global temperatures. The effect of the 'chemtrail' mist during nighttime has been to hold in heat over very large areas.

Posted by: Robert Snefjella | Apr 10 2014 1:07 utc | 60

But to say that there is no strategic planning whatsoever? Or did you mean that US foreign policy strategic planning is at cross purposes, that different factions are not coordinated? Or that those calling the strategic shots are seriously incompetent?

AWWWWH YEAH! Here we go again! Yes, please clarify for Robert, bevin.

Posted by: JSorrentine | Apr 10 2014 1:16 utc | 61

The NY Times has an article on the situation in Donetsk that does not read like propaganda. This is the second fairly decent article on the Ukraine that I've run across in the Times; the Times actually seems to be less bad than the Guardian when it comes to the Ukraine/Russia, which makes the British press look pretty pathetic, IMO.

The article has a link to a poll sponsored by one of those "pro-democracy" NGOs. Judging by it, most western Ukrainians are Russian-hating fascists and/or brainwashed by Ukrainian TV.

Posted by: Demian | Apr 10 2014 1:50 utc | 62


>> Are there decent facilities (hotel, beach &c) for older single guy (not looking for sex tourism nor cia infiltration &c) just chance to stroll along, maybe converse in English, Spanish, Portuguese, French, tiny.bit of German. Perhaps discuss Bulgakov, Gogol, Lermontov...?

Wow man. I don't believe it's possible. Unless you're ready to pay $1000+/night and *hope* for some descent neighbors.

Personally, I do plan to spend vacation in Crimea (Yalta or around, not sure yet) spending ~$300/night this summer for 5*. But even then I believe most of my neighbors will be rich from Moscow and I won't really have a lot to discuss with them.

Sorry to disappoint you.

Posted by: Sergey | Apr 10 2014 2:13 utc | 64

Hey bevin @7

I copied your long post ... and then read it. I'm sorry to see such a stalwart spirit bite the dust. Your first 5 points seem to me to describe neo-liberal capitalism in toto as much as the US, although the EU and Japan have let the US pick up the check since WW II. There is no doubt in my mind that Europe, i.e. Germany, and Japan are girding their loins to (attempt to) pick-up the 'neo-liberal burden' once the US has gone down. You used to be so positive ... this screed is all negative ... unless you count point number 10 "The world - facing the reality of climate change caused by human activity - is waking up ..." I guess you meant Stephan Harper in Canada?

Posted by: john francis lee | Apr 10 2014 2:21 utc | 65

@Sergey, what is the word in Russia on the recent GPS problem? Is this all propaganda, or are we in a cyberwar?

Posted by: guest77 | Apr 10 2014 2:30 utc | 66


Sorry, haven't hear a word about any "recent GPS problems". My GPS-only device shows OK.

Posted by: Sergey | Apr 10 2014 2:40 utc | 67

Posted by: Donn Marten | Apr 9, 2014 8:31:41 PM | 56

"The denials of Greystone don't pass the bullshit meter test."

I posted this video on the previous thread, but since the subject is being discussed here I'm copying the post here also.

Some gentlemen in Kharkov caught one of those American mercs and decided to have a little bit of fun with him. сегодня 09.04.14 в Харькове поймали американца в форме сокола

And the language those guys were using...

Posted by: scalawag | Apr 10 2014 2:49 utc | 68

@Sergey - It was this. Could be all 100% bullshit too.

Posted by: guest77 | Apr 10 2014 2:55 utc | 69

bevin @ 7: Totally spot on critique on the empire. We can expect nothing less from elites in love with the theories of Ayn Rand. Kudos!

Posted by: ben | Apr 10 2014 3:18 utc | 70


I see you meant the failure in GLONASS @ Apr 2.

It's been reported by most of the news agencies in Russia with the explanation like "gvmt created a high commission to investigate" with a suspect of . I guess we'll see the results months after.

My personal opinion (shared by many on the news) is that it doesn't have to do anything with the US interference but with the internal engineering failures. I didn't even notice it 'coz GLONASS is used still mostly as a supplementary/failover replacement to GPS.

Posted by: Sergey | Apr 10 2014 3:31 utc | 71

The funny thing about you, JSorrentine, is that just the other day, I asked you about this exactly, and you said "sadly we'll never know who is behind Snowden" yet today it's a simple retort to everyone within earshot: "Snowden - CIA Stooge!"

I don't think you are an agent, but I do think the paranoid internet lifestyle with it's pre-fab, one-size fits all obsessions have led you to precisely the point he has been drawn to by those who do such things for a living (the Cass Sustein's of the world): an inability to parse people and events down to any finer grain than "boulder-sized". Therefore, Occupy, certainly a free forum that drew any one who would show up in the general vicinity - including, no doubt, a great many government agents - becomes to you, simply and wholly "A Psyop". And Snowden - clearly not all he claims to be, but still revealing huge amounts of info in a way that certainly indicates something serious and not altogether bad for the American people - becomes, with no equivocation "CIA STOOGE!" just as 9/11, for all it's players, twists and turns, an event 20 years in the making become "INSIDE JOB, YOU GATEKEEPER BITCH!"

I'm afraid you've got the kind of mind that is left in only in two parts - pitch black and brilliant white. This is the kind of mind that allowed a subset of Trotskyites to become neo-cons. The kind of mind that can and will turn on a dime. Chris Hitchens, if you need an example. I'd not be so self-satisfied in it. I'd be a little wary.

One last - you getting bent out of shape when people suggest Iraq is the first example of the US elite's foray into "reality making" ("what about 9/11!" you always scream)- the rest of the world knows that US "reality making" goes back to when a gang of slave holders founded a country on "all men are created equal". The rest of the world knows well all of our hypocrisy - they don't see Israel and 9/11 as "the problems of our age", only Americans do that. The rest of the world - the Chinese, Russians, Indians, Native and Latin Americans and Africans - see Israel and 9/11 as the problems of stupid Americans. They just snickers into their sleeves at both and think "you fucking get what you deserve, chumps"

Posted by: guest77 | Apr 10 2014 4:17 utc | 72

Interesting look at the Boston Bombings on Galloway's "Sputnik":

Posted by: guest77 | Apr 10 2014 4:26 utc | 73

Yes, is a site worth visiting from time to time.

Sibel Edmonds' theory about why the FBI dropped its investigation of Tamerlan Tsarnaev, by the way, is that the CIA was running him in Russia. It is a pretty weird coincidence that the uncle of the Tsarnaev brothers was married to the daughter of a CIA official who ran Islamist agents.

Posted by: Demian | Apr 10 2014 5:09 utc | 74


Posted by: james | Apr 10 2014 5:41 utc | 75

Talk of a "cold war triumph" is silly. What this is about is the USG's inability to consolidate its position as hegemon of a unipolar world.

The Cold War involved an equilibrium, a balance of power between two superpowers. What we are seeing now is an unstable system—the one fantasized by the Project for a New American Century—transitioning to a new equilibrium, a multipolar world.

Posted by: Demian | Apr 10 2014 6:14 utc | 76

Dave McGowan shows that the Boston bombings were a staged event, on the basis of pictures only

Posted by: Headache | Apr 10 2014 6:26 utc | 77

38 somebody

Yes, what does that prove? Use sources for your claims.

Posted by: Anonymous | Apr 10 2014 7:47 utc | 78

Breaking news: From Georgia's military circles comes an announcement that four of the snipers that were active at Maidan are from Georgia, that their identities are now known, and that they are part of Sakashvilli's, Georgia's former president's special forces that were trained in part precisely for such missions. Investigation is on going, and official charges are being there are special forces in Ukraine: and serving the Junta

Posted by: brian | Apr 10 2014 8:02 utc | 79

@7 Bevin

Beautiful piece. Exact.

Posted by: Knut | Apr 10 2014 8:26 utc | 80

This bloody blog site is fabulous - to get such news.

Posted by: Michaël | Apr 10 2014 8:28 utc | 81

Ukrainian Defense News Network
about an hour ago
Anti-Putsch occupants of SBU bldg in Lugansk led by 43 former Berkut Alpha. Maiden reaps what it sowed #RussianSpring

Posted by: brian | Apr 10 2014 8:33 utc | 82

Guest77 #72 - that was perceptive psycohological profiling. It's true - one finds these people on many conspiracy boards - it's all white or pitch black. may be because they lost all faith in any authority whatsoever including the authority of human logic. There are indeed people who can no longer believe that anyone can still be motivated by simple human decency. When it's all power relationships, there are no "good guys" anywhere. Only agents, users, abusers, masked men and lizards.

What you said about Troskites turning into Neocons is right on the money. I know a couple for whom that's exactly what happened. they did so much deconstruction that at the end there was nothing but the cynicism and nihilism of pure power left.

To me, Snowden is a person, first and foremost. Like all humans he is imperfect. But that does not matter, because in the final analysis, what he did made the world a bit better because a sliver of light could shine through. For that we awe him gratitude. how he handles his fame is entirely up to him. We, who now know (where before we could only suspect), need to make choices.

Posted by: Merlin2 | Apr 10 2014 8:55 utc | 83


Very nice! I fully agree, some ppl take "conspiracy theories" too far.

Posted by: Anonymous | Apr 10 2014 8:59 utc | 84

The Government of the People's Republic of Donetsk , which gradually formed , is to assume full control over all the cities of the region , told RIA Novosti one of the leading supporters of the federalization of Ukraine, member of the self-proclaimed People's Government of the People's Republic of Donetsk , the deputy head of the People's Militia Donbass Sergei Zyplakov .

"The Government of the People's Republic of Donetsk is gradually formed . It will issue its decrees will be to assume full control of all the towns of the region . Takes , in general, normal state activities ," - said Zyplakov .

He also said that the security forces of the republic their resources , groups will be formed .

"Local militias did not interfere with our work. Around the building RSA even no cordon , no pickets . I think they feel that we are right . These days we call them over to our side and recognize our legitimacy ," - added Zyplakov .

Also, the people's government decided to recognize the Republic of Crimea and the results of the referendum in the Crimea on 16 March .

Posted by: brian | Apr 10 2014 9:16 utc | 85

'Kirovograd Berkut refused to obey orders of the fascist junta! Kirovograd commandos "Berkut" said against the people will not go!
Thank you, our family! We know that you are with us!'

Posted by: brian | Apr 10 2014 9:27 utc | 86

83 Merlin - agreed, yes, choices. If he's a shill, he's playing with levels of communication I don't believe even bankers can control. For me and others I know, everything changed because of Snowden. It was a matter of scale rather than detail.

Because of Snowden, and the sheer SCALE of deception he revealed as commonplace, suddenly everything was true. Suddenly nothing was too bold or too illegal or too insane for the U.S. to be capable of. Then began the backfilling, to re-examine the history and all the previously passed-over theories that now suddenly stood in sharp relief from their backgrounds, and loomed pretty f*cking large actually, with all the collateral pieces previously ignored and now rushing to fill the gaps.

And so here we are, and now comes Ukraine to show the whole playbook in all its infantile, horrifying madness. Oh it's all true alright. Who cares where it comes from. Even the Devil must have to confide in someone. Truth will out, always, eventually, that's not the obstacle, the issue is always, will anyone notice?

Posted by: Grieved | Apr 10 2014 9:30 utc | 87

Greek-Melchite Archbishop Cyrille Bustros sparked an interreligious firestorm when he suggested that Israel was “using Scripture” to continue its occupation of Palestinian territory. The Archbishop then questioned the biblical idea of a “promised land” set aside by a specific group of people.

"We Christians cannot speak of the promised land as an exclusive right for a privileged Jewish people,” Bustros continued. "This promise was nullified by Christ. There is no longer a chosen people – all men and women of all countries have become the chosen people."

Was Obama sent to the Vatican to contain this direction, was this why the Pontiff looked so disgustingly at him. Interpret the Mayan Long Count, there is more to come.

Posted by: hans | Apr 10 2014 9:39 utc | 88

Russian Market ‏@russian_market 47m
Nazarbaev and Putin: "In case of further sanctions Russia, Kazakhstan and Belarus may introduce the common currency Altyn ( Golden coin?)

Russian Market ‏@russian_market 44m
If I recall correctly Altyn or Altn stands for Gold in Mongolian, right @altankhuyag_mn? Will the new currency of Eurasian Union be golden?

Posted by: brian | Apr 10 2014 9:46 utc | 89


Don't assume The Beast has a peanut brain. The Beast is everyone on the electrosphere, the Hive Mind eating the World. 3 billion humans cook with sticks and dung and have never owned a lightbulb.

10. The Climate of Chains is a Zionist disease. 880,000 square MILES of pristine tropical forest was slash-and-burned for more Climate GMO biofuel plantations, the Hive Mind putting 10,000,000 campesano cildren at risk of Famine, every year, as half of our human food grains are burned at the Altar of Biofuels Billionaires, and the looted tax credits carefully noted in ledger books just like the ovens at Auschwitz. That Biofuel Mandate is scheduled to DOUBLE by 2018, 20,000,000 3W children in concentrstion camps with Ameriican flags.

Thats the tactics and the strategy of the Hive Mind.

"It's not about the Science. The Science doesn't matter. It's about (control of) Public Policy." IPCC internal memo.

"We won. You lost. It's just business, get over it. Now get off my land." ZUSA Banner

"E pluribus what difference does it make?" Good Queen Hillary

Posted by: Chip Nihk | Apr 10 2014 9:59 utc | 90

Good riddance! Orwellian US propaganda tool VOA finished in Russia

Will the Saudis prop up the putschists in Kiev? Why Obama paid a visit to Riyadh

Brahimi the criminal Taking stock of Lakhdar Brahimi

Posted by: ProPeace | Apr 10 2014 10:15 utc | 91


Snowden doesn't exist except for a disembodied head on an electronic cart spewing platitudes. The 'data' is all back in the bottle, controlled by money and power, dispensed in short catecisms and missives as pure terror propaganda, while the Watchers pick off all the Leftist gerbils who stick up their heads and squeek.

Pretending these NSA revelations are new or unique shekinah stinks of rabbinicalism. It has ever been thus. There is nothing new beneath the sun that you can't buy for 12 silver schekels.

Posted by: Chip Nihk | Apr 10 2014 10:20 utc | 92

@scalawag 68

RE: video of captured American mercenary. That is exactly the type of thing that needs to be replicated with these hired killers being captured and made to fess up.

It is just absurd that knowing the way that the global finance mafia and the US regime operate that there aren't mercs being used to augment local paramilitary forces and neo-Nazi goons.

Posted by: Donn Marten | Apr 10 2014 10:37 utc | 93

Anatoly Karlin ‏@akarlin88 15h
Donetsk barricades to be stormed soon. Takes a revolutionary to putdown a revolution. A pity Yanukovych didn't have a 10th of their resolve.
forgotten is that had Yankovich had this sort of 'resolve' hed have been pilloried around the globe by media and the 'international community'...just as Putin is for Chechnya

Posted by: brian | Apr 10 2014 10:41 utc | 94

American spy caught by Russia!

Posted by: Anonymous | Apr 10 2014 10:54 utc | 95

theyve arrived
'Ukrainian acting Interior Minister Arsen Avakov told journalists Wednesday that a “special police task force” had already arrived in Donetsk and Kharkiv from western regions of Ukraine and was ready to take them under control within 48 hours, by force if necessary.'
the 'special police task force' consists of foreign US company mercenaries, [ravu sektor thugs and and other is this legal?

Posted by: brian | Apr 10 2014 11:06 utc | 96

US pays $8 million a month to have its private armies deployed in Ukraine - British press

"According to reports from Donetsk, another group of US mercenaries has landed at the local airport, mercenaries that the 'Maidan'-approved government in Kiev is going to use for a mop-up operation in the region. Deputy Chief of People's Self-Defence of Donbass, Sergei Tsyplakov, claims that 100 "soldiers of fortune" have arrived this time. Judging by US and UK press reports, the overall strength of the ground force that the Kiev-based government is going to send to the South-East of Ukraine makes up 1,800.

The strength of Blackwater and Greystone units for large-scale operations makes up normally 100 to 300 people. This means six hit squads have already been flown to Ukraine. The soldiers are paid 300 dollars to 1,500 dollars per day. According to the British press, the US pays 8 million dollars a month to have its private armies deployed in Ukraine.

According to a retired Lieutenant Colonel of a Russian security service, Andrei Popov, it is pretty difficult to identify Greystone or Blackwater mercenaries during an operation. They are normally made to look like local police or security service units.

"They are currently armed as the security service troops they are passing themselves off as. They carry Kalashnikov sub-machineguns and Makarov pistols, as well as our bulletproof vests. But they use closed communications channels, and that's how they can be recognized as mercenaries. They are trained just as any task force, but are absolutely unscrupulous. They have no idea of human feelings, that’s why they are used for bloody suppressions of local protests."

Also, the US may have recruited former task force soldiers, police officer or Marines of various nationalities for a specific operation, which looks like a private foreign legion."

Posted by: scalawag | Apr 10 2014 11:45 utc | 97 Standoff between gvt, protesters intensifies, 24 hours before Kiev ultimatum ends

"An eyewitness confirmed the information about military forces arriving in the city in an interview with RT.

“At about 2pm we received information that military hardware had arrived at our local train station. We went there and saw APCs, military vehicles and troops. The whole town gathered nearby. The soldiers tried to start moving, and the people tried to stop the vehicles,” Lyudmila said.

She also noted the harsh response from the military when the locals attempted to stop them.

“The soldiers twisted the arms of pensioners, there were two men standing there and [the soldiers] drove over their feet [in tanks]. I was pulled back by local coalminers while I tried to stop the vehicles. They didn’t even look at who was in front of them. The men started shouting for them to stop, saying there were girls and women in front of them, but they didn’t care.”

Posted by: scalawag | Apr 10 2014 11:50 utc | 98


one think that russian government would be able to find those americans through spying etc. Russia sure have contacts in ukraine about this atleast what I believe.

Posted by: Anonymous | Apr 10 2014 12:01 utc | 99

American general talks crap and gets humiliatingly demolished by a blogger. Sometimes AngloZionist propaganda is so stupid as to be funny

"The general adds that however the Russian contingent might ultimately be used, it's "ready to go essentially at command. We talk about inside of 12 hours". WOW! Scary stuff.

One problem with that:

The good general does not seem to realize that there is no such thing in the Russian military as a "12 hours readiness".

Let me explain.

For an imperialistic naval power, a 12 hours readiness or even a 24, 36 or 48 hour readiness is extremely high. That the time needed to get in 82nd Airborne ready to go, and that is quite good enough for the USA whose own territory is only threatened by illegal immigrants from Mexico and bad drivers from Canada. 12 hours is really fast only when what you want to do is to invade some small country - preferably an island with no military - or if you just want to go and kill some Brown people somewhere, just to show how scary and powerful you are.

But for a land power like Russia, 12 hours readiness is absolutely unacceptable, much less so for units supposedly on high alert and ready to invade the Ukraine. How long would it take for a US/NATO missile or bomber to get to the nearest Russian base or deployed unit? You take that time and it will give you an idea of what "high readiness" means to the Russian military. It is counted in minutes, not hours, and most definitely not 12 hours.

It appears that the US general spinning this fairy tale tried to make is sound real scary and thus he came up with what he believes in a fantastically high degree of readiness for the Russian forces: 12 hours. What he clearly did not realize, is that by Russian standards a military force with a 12 hour readiness is essentially on holidays and at the lowest possible level of readiness.

Furthermore, it might be a good time to remind everybody that the US intelligence did not see the Russian military move in 2008 (during the 08.08.08 war) and neither did it see the "Polite Armed Men in Green" move into Crimea. So much for the most bloated intelligence community on the planet...

Lastly, a "combined arms army" is definitely not the adequate tool to use if the Russians wanted to invade the Ukraine simply because the Ukrainian military simply does not have the kind of force one would attack with a combined arms army. To deal with the Ukie military a much lighter and mobile force of mechanized infantry and a few battalion tactical groups would be plenty. Frankly, some Interior Troops (police forces) such as the SOBR and the ODON would be much better suited as they are used to deal with criminal and paramilitary thugs like the Right Sector.

A US 4-star general really should know better. I am embarrassed for him."

Posted by: scalawag | Apr 10 2014 12:08 utc | 100

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