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March 02, 2014

"White Ribbon" Armed Men Explain Russia's Crimea Reaction?

Secretary of State Kerry on Face the Nation:

Russia chose this brazen act aggression and moved in with its forces on a completely trumped set of pre-texts claiming that people were threatened ...

Kerry should watch the following videos.

This one is of interest. The (auto-translated from Russian) subtitle:

Compilation with video surveillance cameras installed in the building of the Council of Ministers of Crimea on 27.02.2014, during the capture.


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The video shows a group of 20 to 30 armed people, soldier like, well armed but not full professionals, storming and then searching a building with the help of flash-bang grenades. The time marks in the the CCTV are between 0400 and 0700 on the 27th of February. The last pictures to be seen are when the intruders smash the CCTV cams one by one. To mark themselves the men wear white ribbons on their left arms. This is a longer CCTV video from only one camera uploaded by the same account, Редактор Новостей (newsmaker), on February 28. It shows the group storming and securing one of the entrances to the building.

This is a video uploaded on March 1 by a French TV station. The (auto-translated from French) subtitle:

Latest news on http://www.bfmtv.com/ A group of twenty armed as professional men shot Saturday on the government building in Simferopol in Crimea. "It was weapons of professionals," says special envoy BFMTV Patrick Sauce. Russian soldiers who protect the site did not respond. The attackers withdrew in a bus a few minutes later.


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The video shows a group of some 30+ armed men - again soldier like, well armed but not full professionals - in daylight trying to storm some building. They retreat to a civilian bus and seem to depart. The men are again marked with white ribbons on their left arms. What was this about?

Here is another snippet (at 1:20) of the situation from a different perspective by a Russian TV station.

Someone has done a photo analysis of hand weapons Russian troops in the Crimea carry. But the second photo is not of Russian soldiers but is from the same scene than the video above. It shows armed men with white ribbons and in partly civilian cloth. One of their weapons is identified as a Russian grenade launcher but with a U.S. made holographic sight.


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Unfortunately no "western" media have yet asked who these white-ribbon guys are and what they are doing. To me it seems possible that they are some kind of half trained gang send from Kiev to takeover government buildings in the Crimea. The presences of these groups, starting early on February 27, could be the reason why Russia decided it needed to take control of the Crimea. Fear that these groups would receive reinforcement through other groups arriving by plane led to the temporary guarding of the Crimean airports by (unmarked) Russian troops.

Please let me know of other media occurrences of such white-ribbon marked persons and of their background.

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Posted by: Propeace | Mar 3 2014 12:42 utc | 101

#95 I certainly second Pragma. Imagine for people who read MoA on a small phone!
I have never seen an article that long posted and would strongly recommend to b to limit the length of contributions before the next troll invasion.

Posted by: Mina | Mar 3 2014 12:42 utc | 102

Mina 97. Good point about the phone, did not think about it.

Posted by: Propeace | Mar 3 2014 12:45 utc | 103

it seems the einsatzgruppen at the sate department are taking this as a perfect opportunity to step up destabilisation in venezuela

Posted by: remembererringgiap | Mar 3 2014 12:50 utc | 104

Re NATO Snipers; whilst I lived in South Africa from the beginning of the 1990s, during the run-up to the 94 elections, the so-called Third Force, used exactly the same tactics. Enter a township covertly (often in disguise); to start with, shoot at Inkatha supporters in the hostels and make it look like it's ANC self-defence groups doing the shooting (or vice versa), then quietly retire after the ANC and Inkatha pick up where the Third Force left off. These kinds of provocations led to wholesale slaughter and created a hateful atmosphere that fed off poverty and encouraged xenophobia. So the report that snipers were firing at both sides comes as no surprise.

What is apparent and appalling all at the same time, is that propaganda and black ops have reached new heights of sophistication. I'm not sure what we can do about it if anything. The illusion is complete. We can scream at the top of our voices but to no effect.

It may be short-lived of course, but the Empire is 'triumphant' insofar as the seven imperialist states, headed of course by the US, have got the planet by the short and curlies and our domestic populations are in thrall of Empire and have been for centuries.

Posted by: William Bowles | Mar 3 2014 12:53 utc | 105

The UK foreign secretary, William Hague has held talks with Ukrainian leaders in Kiev and pledged £10m of financial assistance but said Britain was not considering military intervention. That works out at 20 pence each for every man woman and child. Meanwhile the jackass said "all options are on the table" this could be serious for the Russians, the danger being they could laugh for so long they could rupture something.

Posted by: harrylaw | Mar 3 2014 13:08 utc | 106

ProPeace (95)

Just to avoid misunderstandings: I'm no partner of b or sth. like that. I have nothing to order here. All I can do and did is to let you know, if I'm pissed of by what I perceive as spamming and to politely ask to not do it again.

Ad "quickly glancing over". Don't consider me picky but "glancing over" is certainly not what most people would do with such a long text.

Whatever your reasons were and whether those reasons sound reasonable or not to anyone: Thank you for accepting my polite request and keeping it in mind ;)

Posted by: Mr. Pragma | Mar 3 2014 13:22 utc | 107

W. Bowles: what we can do is remove money from banks, stop consuming, and stop voting.

Posted by: Mina | Mar 3 2014 13:23 utc | 108

There is a rather funny mistake on the Guardians "Ukraine Crisis - Live!" thread about events in Ukraine. It just got updated with this (but it probably won't be up there for long)

the first line currently reads


4 mintues ago
Summary

Russian fighter jets violated Russian airspace twice during the night, the Ukrainian defence ministry said. It said a Ukrainian interceptor aircraft was scrambled, preventing any “provocative actions”.

Posted by: brb | Mar 3 2014 13:27 utc | 109

One can always count on William Hague to deliver the goods..The guy's so full of himself with total bs it's beyond belief..In the UK mothers are struggling to make ends meet but this guys always seem to have an endless supply of cash for other people.

The joke must surely be on us...Suckers R us!

Posted by: Zico | Mar 3 2014 13:29 utc | 110

In the UK mothers are struggling to make ends meet but this guys always seem to have an endless supply of cash for other people.

It's worse than that - at least on person has died from starvation after having state benefits cancelled

Posted by: brb | Mar 3 2014 13:30 utc | 111

brb (104)

I also saw that headline (somewhere else) and it made me laugh. Simply because it's evident that it's a lie from kiev trying to create the impression a) of Russia being aggressive and b) of having an airforce where not only the troups aren't leaving but actually put themselves up against Russia.

Which is *obviously* ridiculous.

Posted by: Mr. Pragma | Mar 3 2014 13:31 utc | 112

The propaganda level from the bbc, ccn and pretty much all western msm's reached BS proportions.

Funny thing is, they always fail to mention how this whole mess started...They make it sound as if the crazies in Kiev are the legitimate representatives of Ukrainians. This is an Ethic war now - a by-product of stupid EU/US policy of "sticking it" to the Russians.

Like I said, the potential for this to affect all of Europe is very worrying. A regime change gone too far,indeed.

Posted by: Zico | Mar 3 2014 13:33 utc | 113

Zico

Not only MSM but average people in the west going nuts its brainwashing, glad to see forums like these, too bad we are too few really.

Posted by: Anonymous | Mar 3 2014 13:45 utc | 114

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Posted by: somebody | Mar 3 2014 13:48 utc | 115

My impression is that the zionists and their puppets are EXTREMELY angry and pissed off because they can do - plain nothing against Putin doing his (perfectly right) thing. So they cream even louder than usually.

The more they scream, the better, so that we can be sure about their pain.

Posted by: Mr. Pragma | Mar 3 2014 13:50 utc | 116

it seems the the nutters in Kiev are trying to rile up the radical fringe of the Tartar community in the East. Turkey's been working in that regard but the Tartars there are not exactly pro-Kiev/Kremlin at the moment.

I wonder how Putin will react to Turkey's dubious policy of carrying water for empire.

Posted by: Zico | Mar 3 2014 13:53 utc | 117

Mina@#103:

If only! The problem is, most of us live like rats on a treadmill. Short of throwing it all in, and taking your chances, there's no way off. Debt, the brilliant 'solution' to capitalism's inherent instability, so we're all hooked (well most of us).

Posted by: William Bowles | Mar 3 2014 13:59 utc | 118

My impression is that the zionists and their puppets are EXTREMELY angry and pissed off because they can do - plain nothing against Putin doing his (perfectly right) thing. So they cream even louder than usually.

The more they scream, the better, so that we can be sure about their pain.

Posted by: Mr. Pragma | Mar 3, 2014 8:50:06 AM | 111

surely they must have figured something like this reaction from Russia into their calculations.

I know it's all the rage these days to dismiss our overlords as "just plain stoooopid" but I'm far from convinced that these people are stupid - the Ukrainian Fascists probably are, but since the Coup Merchants of ZATO have managed to successfully topple something like 10 Gov'ts so far in the last few years, dismissing them under the heading of "stupid fools" seems a little unwise in my opinion.

Perhaps all the Coup Merchants of ZATO seek from this is an opportunity to place sanctions on Russia - knowing that there would most likely be some form of Russian military response to armed gangs of Ukrainian Neo-Nazis running around in Crimea?

Perhaps the Coup Merchants of ZATO plan a money/asset grab a little later, under the cover of those sanctions they are all now talking about - they have certainly got for "form" in that regard

Posted by: brb | Mar 3 2014 14:00 utc | 119

In Lithuania media going completely hysterical, I wont even mention what they write about Putin, even this very topic about "White Ribbon" armed men is interpreted as Russian specnaz in civilian cloths attacking Russian soldiers to invent the pretext.

Posted by: Harry | Mar 3 2014 14:00 utc | 120

Odessa under attack?


The 204th airbase of the Ukrainian Air Force near Sevastopol HAS Declared icts allegiance to the national anti-fascist coalition. The base and 49 fighter planes are now joining the national uprising against the junta. In the Meantime, the Right Sector is now leading "a punitive operation" against the harbor-city of Odessa, All which is Causing Panic Among icts civilian population. http://russian.rt.com/article/23520

Posted by: brian | Mar 3 2014 14:11 utc | 121

#110 Not the only one but NL is THE perfect fiscal paradise in Europe. Both IN the EU, but totally offshore. Ask IKEA where they put their money for little taxes.

Posted by: Mina | Mar 3 2014 14:16 utc | 122

Seems like ukrainian soldiers deserting every day now. :)

http://rt.com/news/crimea-air-base-allegiance-593/

Posted by: Anonymous | Mar 3 2014 14:22 utc | 123

114) These incidents are like a Rorschach test really. But of course, the art of warfare is universal, I hear Putin now quotes the responsibility to protect (Russian humour).

Of course, Russia considered the attack on the Ukrainian government, Ukrainian disunity, whatever you want to call it, a reason/opportunity to protect their strategic interests.

Let's see where this stops. It has not ended yet.

Posted by: somebody | Mar 3 2014 14:28 utc | 124

More importantly (of those airplanes only 10% are in a usable state), a special forces group in central ukraine today got orders from kiev to move toward crimea and to challenge the Crimean militia.

They refused to obey.

That's in itself interesting and good. Even more interesting though are their reason to disobey, which very strongly suggest that *virtually no military unit* of ukraine will fight against Crimea, nor, so it seems, the eastern/southern pro-Russia region.

Posted by: Mr. Pragma | Mar 3 2014 14:29 utc | 125

i think "Western" media is subject to what is known in psychology
circles as Confirmation Bias.

Whatever narrative is to be used has to Conform/confirm
to whatever the prepared script says.

Posted by: chris m | Mar 3 2014 14:33 utc | 126

So "Russia has declared war" according to its opponents, but Turkey, KSA, France and the US openly talking about arming insurgents in Syria is not an official declaration of war?
http://english.ahram.org.eg/NewsContent/2/9/95781/World/International/Russian-actions-like-declaring-war-on-US,-Britain-.aspx

Posted by: Mina | Mar 3 2014 14:36 utc | 127

Pragma 102 No problem! ;-)

Posted by: ProPeace | Mar 3 2014 14:38 utc | 128

brb (113)

While, yes, frankly, I *do* consider many of the western leaders plain stupid, I'm certain though that the puppet masters remote controlling them are by no means stupid.

But that's not the relevant question in my minds eye. Because the zio-regimes won't break down for stupidity. There weakness is right in their core. It's that they are based on two core items: lies and quantity (rather than quality).

That's also why I think that Putin, a highly intelligent man with full support by the church (do not underestimate the deep connection of old religions with knowledge) and first class intellectuals like Prof. Dugin, will have and follow the strategic imperative of finding clear and undisputable evidence against the western regimes, mainly zusa.

I didn't talk too much about it but actually I'm observing since quite some time now that Putin obviously has an excellent understanding of Russias (and the worlds) enemies and, more importantly, their very core as well as how to break that system.

Like so often with difficult problems, once the solution is found it seems clear, even self explanatory. Putin works strictly along sensible and well established international rules and *always*, sometimes more and sometimes less evidently, works with thruth, plain and simple truth - and, of course at the same time against the lying system.

But there is more to it and usually that aspect is ignored or simply not seen. There is immense (personal and human) souvereignty and strength in the way he acts. Because actually he says "See? We are so strong that we can *afford* to play fair and along the rules. Lying, propaganda, dirty tricks, that's something weaklings need".

Another important power of todays Russia is in the fact that unlike the Sovjets who basically defined themselves quite much by being non-western, Putins Russia defines itself properly, independently through itself and using well reflected criteria.

This also helps to explain the frequent question why Putin doesn't fervently try to destroy zusa. because that's not his goal. Russia - and Putin - don't define themselves by being anti this or that but by and through themselves. zusa is no threat to Russia; zusa being able to act like a superpower because it's seen and accepted as a superpower, however, is a threat, simply because it has been, does and will target Russia and try to harm and break Russia.
So, no doubt, Putin *will* crush and break zusas ability to act like a superpower, but he is not interested in crushing zusa as a country and even less to harm, the zamerican people.

Putin looks at and unsvervingly and consistently follows his path to do his best for Russia - but within the limits of valid, non-unilateral, and well established international rules - and to stick to his strategy, part of which is to make the lies of the zio regimes visible.
To gain anything by harming others is simply not acceptable in his view and strategic concept. This might astonish some if he later refused to simply accept Crimes into Russia (although he might do it; this is a case in a grey zone) because, again, taking from others is simply not his consept; it's the zio concept. I'm quite confident that his preferred solution would be to accept a new state Crimea (or, extended, eastern ukraine) into the eurasia group and to have very friendly relations.
Along that line I'm also quite confident that Putin is neither seeking nor desiring war against zusa while at the same time he wouldn't hesitate a second to respond swiftly if zusa attacked the national security of Russia.

Following that understanding somewhat further I kind of see the current situation coming up again rather soon on the larger scale with zeu. One imaginable result that I consider as quite probable would be a group of, say, France, Germany, Austria and Italy "joining" Russia, i.e. establishing tight partnership, possibly joining the eurasia group, while others like zuk, sweden, poland (if it still exists then) would form another group, let's call it "pro zusa eu2".
Similarly I'm expecting in the near to mid term Iran and some others joining the eurasia group.
The common element always being invited but by no means forced (by Russia) and, on the miltary side, some kind of - by far less political and more pragmatic - eurasian cooperation and union with Russia obviously being in the ("gravitational") center.

This might also help to understand Putins attitude toward oligarchs. he doesn't simply destroy them; he rather "invited" them as an element of society and economy on the condition that they stick to certain rules.

Which - and that opens another point - seem to currently breaking the gentlemans agreement by attacking the Russian stock (and stock exchange) on obvious zusa orders.
I don''t dare to say "he will" but I would by no means be surprised when - even in the coming days that is, very quickly - Putin would arrest some major oligarchs and have their companies and holdings throuroughly inspected; no doubt the authorities will find heavily incriminating stuff. Then he will almost certainly repeat yukos, i.e. put all of those oligarchs (anyway largely robbed) corporations into some Russian state institute.
And once more the west will screeeaaam, Putin won't care batshit and dryly explain his actions, and the Russian will *love* him.

Thanks for your patience reading this somewhat philosophical text so far.

Posted by: Mr. Pragma | Mar 3 2014 15:24 utc | 129

Excellent "punchline" by Bhadhra
"How feasible is it for Europe to impose economic boycott of Moscow when its dependence on energy supplies from Russia is so very critical? "

Or are the US organizing a new 1973 oil and gas crisis?

Posted by: Mina | Mar 3 2014 15:25 utc | 130

@brian #85 : Link to aangirfan article about 'sniper' training in Crimea region. Year must be wrong, this article below is from a year earlier, December 2012 …

Photo apparently taken in the Crimea region of Ukraine in September 2013 2012, at a training camp run by a group called the International Law Enforcement Training Agency.

Internationally ILETA's Counter Terror Group has been responsible for training the following Special Units:
Estonia - Special Operations Group and Police Special Reserve Brigade
Latvia - Special Intervention Group (Omega Teams)
Ukraine - ALFA, BERKYT, TITAN, MANGUSE
Russia - SOBR, OMON, GRAD
Crimea - SOKOL, BERKYT, KGB
Spain - HALCON, CRS18
USA - USAFE EST, USMC, SRT, Charlie Coy 10th SFG

Trained by a baron and backed by Bambi, now West Papua ‘freedom fighter’ faces jail – Dec. 7, 2012

Gerard Michael Little : 45-year-old grandfather charged with plotting armed resistance in West Papua against the Indonesian Government.
James Shortt : Director-General (DG) of the International Law Enforcement Training Agency, which conducted the Ukrainian course. James Shortt, was a student and protégé of Lucien Ott's and led International Bodyguards Association (IBA) training teams to the Baltic Republics, Afghanistan, Russia, Ukraine and Kazakstan. Training Teams were dispatched by the current DG to train UN Forces at Tuzla in Bosnia and elements of the Security Forces of the European Union (EEC). He became the first outsider to train KGB (Crimea 1991) and started training for bodyguards (Government and Corporate) in Poland (1988) Estonia (1989) Latvia and Lithuania (1990). He pioneered the IBA method in Russia, Ukraine, Kazakhstan and Mongolia. To date he has trained bodyguards on 5 continents including 36 countries.

Posted by: Oui | Mar 3 2014 15:29 utc | 132

It is getting 'interesting'
Breaking News
(BBC thread)
Russia's Black Sea Fleet has given Ukrainian forces in Crimea until 5:00 local time (03:00 GMT) on Tuesday to surrender or face an all-out assault, according to Ukrainian defence ministry sources quoted by Interfax-Ukraine news agency. "If by 5am tomorrow morning they do not surrender a real assault will begin on units and sections of the Ukrainian armed forces all over Crimea," defence ministry officials are quoted as saying. So far there is no further confirmation of the ultimatum from other sources.


Poor guys in BXL... Did they finally manage to meet today? How many meeting does it take them to organize an answer on the ground? How many months will it take for the Charles de Gaulle nuclear submarine to be on stage (if they have ever finished to fix it)?

Posted by: Mina | Mar 3 2014 15:32 utc | 133

Looks like former sec def Bob Gates sees it like it is. Per yahoo news live blog:


Update, 9:45 a.m. EST: Robert Gates, President Obama's former defense secretary and author of a book that was critical of the administration, has weighed in on the crisis in the Ukraine. His message to Obama: Watch the rhetoric. "The stronger the rhetoric, the greater expectation of strong action," Gates told Reuters.

"From Putin's standpoint, he's in the catbird's seat," Gates said. "He's put himself in a position where we need him in terms of the Syrian chemical (weapons) deal. We need him in terms of the Iranian nuclear program. We need the Russians in terms of getting our (military) equipment out of Afghanistan."

Asked how he would advise Obama in the crisis in Ukraine, Gates pointed to lessons from Russia's war with Georgia in 2008, when he said Washington wanted to react with more forceful economic and political measures than EU allies did.

"We ran the risk of being the ones who would be isolated because we favored a much more aggressive response than any of our (European) allies did," said Gates, who was President George W. Bush's defense secretary at the time.

"So that's one of the things the president's got to look out for."

Which is in contrast with the 09:30 update which has Angie Merkel saying Putin seemed "out of touch with reality" during their phone conversation. In fact he probably knows something she doesn't.

http://yahoonews.tumblr.com/post/78440354349

Posted by: Lysander | Mar 3 2014 15:33 utc | 134

Nice catch Lysander. Gates is the realist he knows what's going on and sometimes he shares with the public at least part of what he knows.

Posted by: ATH | Mar 3 2014 15:41 utc | 135

Is this Russian ultimatum for real, or just a fabrication of the revolutionary Ukrainian government (Only source I can find cited for the story is the Ukrainian Ministry of Defense)? If it's for real, I don't understand it. It would represent a serious and dangerous escalation, and I don't see why the Russians couldn't just starve such Ukrainian forces as remain in Crimea out.

Posted by: lysias | Mar 3 2014 16:22 utc | 136

You seem to be right Lysias, might be the usual Western psyop escalation
http://rt.com/news/russian-fleet-crimea-black-623/

Posted by: Mina | Mar 3 2014 16:27 utc | 137

Teenage crisis of the new EU states
http://english.ahram.org.eg/NewsContent/2/9/95802/World/International/EU-seeks-unity-on-Ukraine-at-crisis-talks.aspx
"European Union foreign ministers tried to overcome differences at crisis talks on Ukraine Monday, with ex-Soviet satellites demanding sanctions and a possible arms embargo against Russia but others favouring soft diplomacy."

Posted by: Mina | Mar 3 2014 16:47 utc | 138

@135. It would be nice if Gates went a small step further and admitted that Russia has a right to protect its citizens. Of course he is probably wearing an exploding neck-brace.

Posted by: dh | Mar 3 2014 16:51 utc | 139

White ribbons on the left arm.

> the 2 links in b’s post. (one other link posted in comments shows reflector arm bands which can look white)

Tolstoy describes these!

Moscow. Tranquility and order are restored. The city police is back, and the top police brass is recognizable by a white ribbon on the left arm.

http://tinyurl.com/o8deb2k -- War and Peace, first two pages of Book 13, Chap IX if link does not work.

A white ribbon on the left arm (sometimes with a bow or other insignia, or a concetta ribbon, very varied) used to be part of First Communion dress, specially for boys.

There is a film by Haneke titled The White Ribbon. The theme is fascism and nazism. He plays with the symbolism:

copied from some movie link:

When he first punishes his two children, he defines the ribbon as a symbol of purity and innocence, a reminder to them of the ideals they have fallen away from and to which they need to strive. Then, in the classroom scene, the pastor expands on the meaning of the ribbon, giving as its purpose that of avoiding "sin, selfishness, envy, indecency, lies and sloth."

one still:

http://tinyurl.com/pkd7xbg

Unrelated - about 2011 white ribbons became a symbol for the Opposition in Russia, more or less by accident imho - for lack of an unused suitable color, and meaning ‘honesty, transparency’ and the like. (Note other white ribbon campaigns are against violence towards women, etc.) The ribbon or strip is tied to clothing, cars, bags, can be inscribed, etc. Often transposed to white balloons in demos as the ribbons are not so visible. (goog will provide.)

Posted by: Noirette | Mar 3 2014 16:59 utc | 140

When are our people going to rise up and send the warmongering dual citizen Zionists packing?I saw that the Maidan is about to declare dual citizens illegal and give em a ten year sentence.God,would that we do it here.And Putin knows who are the enemy.Historical enmity writ large by criminals who have coopted the power of America to impose their nightmare of civilization on US and the world.

Posted by: dahoit | Mar 3 2014 17:04 utc | 141

Lysias et al.

While I do not yet have final status information I strongly assume that the "ultimatum" is a false and invented lie by kiev-ukraine. The goal: A narrative to "explain" a) that, of course, ukrainian forces are perfectly loyal to kiev and b) that if any ukrainian forces should leave the ukrainian army then that would be only under great distress and fearing for their life due to the Russian "ultimatum".

Obviously, kiev couldn't but realize that basically their complete military forces are leaving in a hurry or would, at the very least, not fight for kiev. Therefore kiev was/is under great pressure to somehow "explain" that away.

I might be wrong but I'm quite certain that my theory is largely correct.

Posted by: Mr. Pragma | Mar 3 2014 17:04 utc | 142

I might be wrong but I'm quite certain that my theory is largely correct.
Posted by: Mr. Pragma | Mar 3, 2014 12:04:26 PM | 142

Russia has refuted the ultimatum trope, according to Rebel Radio/BBC.
Twice, apparently.

Posted by: Hoarsewhisperer | Mar 3 2014 17:19 utc | 143

Pragma is right: if the BBC report it and the Ukrainian "government" claim it , it must be a lie.

As to White, as in White Terror in the French Revolution, White armies fighting Bolshevism, and the white ribbons Ukrainian fascist militias wore in 1941, the symbolism goes back, I suspect to the Bourbons. Of course white has other symbolic meanings but in modern politics it generally means "reactionary, avoid."

Posted by: bevin | Mar 3 2014 17:20 utc | 144

Regarding Pussy Riot;Those two that came here destroyed their credibility with the rest of the group(or at least with the Russian public),as we are anathema to Russians,and their obvious media love by showing their faces in the Zionist photo op belied their balaclava anonymity.And who paid for their junkets here and in Sochi?
The war over sexual preference is now buttressed by the MSMs bogus tale of Russian perfidy,and the bodily function addicts are up in arms threatening war.Sheesh.A new Corinthian Band?Nah.

Posted by: dahoit | Mar 3 2014 17:20 utc | 145

Sorry to say it that rudely but it seems today is bitch day.

merkel - and, no doubt, Germany will have to pay dearly for that - according to nyt told obama on in a phone conversation, that Putin wasn't in touch with reality and was out of his mind and other niceties to that effect.

timochenko in a video address to ukrainians was lying the birds out of the trees and fabulated weird bullshit about Putin conducting an aggressive war against ukraine and other idiocies.

My guess: timochenko will end up jailed for life - and this time not in the luxury hotel version. And merkel, and unfortunately consequently the German people, too, will pay a high price in one form or another.
After all, who the fuck is merkel to insult Putin after co-creating the problem in ukraine in the first place by instigating and sponsoring violent riots and nazi terrorists.

Now to the funny part:

nyt seriously hints that obama is pressed by "the europeans" to take the lead in what is to be assumed some kind of military action.

YES!!! Go, obama, go! The sooner the cancer zusa is annihilated the better for this world.

Posted by: Mr. Pragma | Mar 3 2014 18:24 utc | 146

Are we even sure of Merkel's declarations ?
I mean, we have an obvious BS about a Russian ultimatum running in all media, despite official Russian reactions telling the opposite. Why not another one, which would, oh the miracle, support the first claim, telling that Putin is insane - hence the ultimatum ? It's so beautifully weaved, you know...

Posted by: Rhysa | Mar 3 2014 18:32 utc | 147

Et voila, here is a nice demonstration why I think that the puppets are stupid:

polish prime minister tusk:

"We should be able to stop Russia in its aggressive moves precisely in order to avoid a conflict," Tusk told reporters on Sunday after an extraordinary meeting with party leaders.

But he said doing nothing was also not an option.

"History shows - although I don't want to use too many historical comparisons - that those who appease all the time in order to preserve peace usually only buy a little bit of time."

Well, Russia was very peaceful and patient ...

But then, to check whether some "smart argument" could be valid for the opponent, too, and possibly even more so, would be way beyond the intellectual capacity of those idiots.

So, let me spell it out for Mr. tusk, the cheap mouthpiece:

You got it! You perfectly well explained why Russia just had to emphasise the presence of its military.
Nice doggy, well done. And next time try to not crunch your own balls when attempting to look smart, o.k.

Posted by: Mr. Pragma | Mar 3 2014 18:44 utc | 148

Rhysa (147)

I checked it. It's there in nyt.

And as nyt is a usg mouthpiece I take it as true. Even more so as there is no declaration to the contrary by usg.

Posted by: Mr. Pragma | Mar 3 2014 18:47 utc | 149

That Ministry of Defense "ultimatum" seemed to me it could be a set up for a false flag.

Posted by: okie farmer | Mar 3 2014 18:52 utc | 150

@Mr Pragma
On the other hand, UGS has no need to contradict this statement, be it true or false. It fits with the narrative. I don't know about the German side, though.

Posted by: Rhysa | Mar 3 2014 18:56 utc | 151

Hurry! Hand me fresh underwear! Or no, hand me 2, because sure enough Putin will need fresh underwear, too, after having learned this:

Asked, kerry said that

obama has all options on the table.

Did they put some bad stuff or crack in the food for the zusa/zeu kennel? Those doggies certainly make lots of weird noises today.

Posted by: Mr. Pragma | Mar 3 2014 18:56 utc | 152

Fighters with white armbands feature in this photo/video compilation
that analyzes the Maidan shootings 1:47

Posted by: somebody | Mar 4 2014 19:48 utc | 153

Funny how US and EU allegedly might start sanction Russia even before Russia have done anything.
Whats wrong with these people?

Posted by: Anonymous | Mar 4 2014 20:08 utc | 154

154) and they are supposed to be former government militia - provocateurs

Posted by: somebody | Mar 4 2014 20:14 utc | 155

"Much respect here to Putin..... I would have him as the American president in a heartbeat "-

Posted by: Prey4 Justice | Mar 2, 2014 12:17:55 PM

Me too!!! Integrity!!

Posted by: Renee | Mar 5 2014 13:42 utc | 156

This is a cutting-edge, leading edge blog -- talking about telling the truth! -- and I have linked it to the OounterPunch story on Ukraine.

Posted by: Thom Prentice | Mar 5 2014 20:52 utc | 157

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