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March 05, 2014

Ukraine: Ashton Phonecall On Maidan Snipers

Someone recorded a phone call between the Estonian foreign minister Paet and the EU high representative Ashton.

Paet reports from his talks with somewhat neutral people on the Maidan, including some Olga that Ashton also knows, during a recent visit in Kiev:

  • there is no trust of the people in the new government (2:35)
  • all of them in the new government have a dirty past (2:50)
  • the trust level (towards the new government) is absolutely low (3:20)
  • enormous pressure against (party of the region) members of parliament (3:40)
  • "uninvited visitors" enter in the night on party members (3:50)
  • journalists who were with me saw during the day that one member of parliament was just beaten in front of the parliament (4:00)
  • people will not leave the street before *real* reforms start, it is not enough that there is just change of government (4:20)
  • the same Olga (from a civil society group) told me that people killed by snipers on both sides, among policemen and people on the street, that they were the same snipers killing people from both sides, she showed me some photos and said she has a medical doctor and that it is the same handwriting and the same type of bullets and it is disturbing that the new coalition now don't want to investigate (8:25)
  • There is now stronger and stronger understanding that behind snipers it was not Yanukovich but it was somebody from the new coalition. (8:55)
  • it discredited itself from the very beginning this new coalition (9:20)

Ashton says "gosh" to the sniper revelation but then plays over it.

Note: This call does not prove that the snipers came from the new coalition site. But it is a hint that this must be investigated.

Using snipers in such fashion is not uncommon. Snipers shooting at both sides in a civil conflict have been documented during the coup attempt against Chavez, the during the red-shirt vs. yellow-shirt conflicts in Thailand and during protests in Syria.

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This from TRNN in Baltimore:

http://therealnews.com/t2/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=31&Itemid=74&jumival=11541&updaterx=2014-03-04+15%3A09%3A14

This is the only US news outlet with a rational discussion on the Ukraine. The Real Network News is not part of the MSM. Online only.

Posted by: ben | Mar 6 2014 3:23 utc | 101

Makes you wonder what else the phone leakers have up their sleeves...

The call is positively damning evidence that those running the EU (how do they get these positions anyway?) have no scruples at all. These are the kinds of things that will, I believe, turn the tide on the massive propaganda campaign underway in the West. Any honest person (a dying breed, certainly) would be shocked at the absolute amorality on display during the call.

As for the old line that "these leaks don't tell us anything we don't already know", I think anyone would be hard pressed to make that argument about these calls. Hearing the lack of empathy in Ashton's voice as her colleague describes a state living under Nazi terror - unable, really, to even act surprised or as if she cares - is really an excellent lesson in abnormal psychology at the very least.

Posted by: guest77 | Mar 6 2014 3:34 utc | 102

The Guardian, to their credit, has published the Ashton/Estonian story. Lots of interest.

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/mar/05/ukraine-bugged-call-catherine-ashton-urmas-paet

Posted by: dh | Mar 6 2014 3:42 utc | 103

And there will of course be a great many Ukrainians (though I wonder of the effect of something like this in an overdub or translation) who were probably honestly shocked by the sniper fire and may have changed many peoples minds.

Evidence such as this - the words of a woman on track to hold a cabinet position related by two allies of the new government - certainly has potential to "take on a life of its own" in a country as volatile at the Ukraine. We shouldn't forget the massive, rolling waves of protest that occurred in Egypt (and are still occurring today, according to PressTV).

This call certainly gives the opportunistic middle a place to congeal around - after all Svoboda is not very popular outside of Lviv, and Right Sektor is a terrorist group. Though they seem to be the only armed force on the ground, their hold is probably extremely weak should any real force - say the missing Ukrainian Military - decide to make any move.

It is sort of astonishing - the Ukraine military's absence. That they are weak and underfunded, and probably substantially demoralized, we know. But certainly there must be a substantial number of them, maybe not well armed but armed will enough to take on some brownshirts in hockey pads and motorcycle helmets. Is there no patriotic officer corps? Is there no one willing to make some moves?

It's amazing just how demoralized 20 years of neoliberal oligarch rule can make a country, isn't it...

Posted by: guest77 | Mar 6 2014 3:48 utc | 104

@101 I don't know about to their credit...

bugged call reveals conspiracy theory about Kiev snipers

There are about 100 possible ways to say the same thing without including the terms "bugged" and "conspiracy theory".

Nice comment from there though:

" A doctor" . A clinic director and renowed musical artist, from an impeccable Ukrainian family, involved in the more civil side of the Majdan, who actually worked in the blood and the gas these last few weeks to aid the wounded and has first hand knowledge of the sniper aftermath, as she was THERE, and who turned down a new cabinet post on feb 27th because she had better things to do, namely to pre-investigate the sniper business. The Guardian has not even bothered to google her name, apparently, as to them she is some doctor peddling conspiracy theories....

Posted by: guest77 | Mar 6 2014 4:13 utc | 105

@103 Good point. They can't resist putting the spin on it. Maybe it will prompt the BBC to mention it....after some careful editing of course.

Posted by: dh | Mar 6 2014 4:17 utc | 106

102) The leak is for English speaking Westerners, there is lots of Russian stuff on the sniper who fired on both sides, independent parliamentarians said immediately after the shootings that they had video of a sniper firing on both sides. The Estonian ambassador describes the general perception in Kiew, basically the EU is stuck with a government that has no credibility including an "ultranationalist" coalition partner that makes it impossible to represent all citizens.
There is something even more damaging to the "new coalition" for people on the ground. This video analysis that unarmed protesters trying to advance against the police cordon were placed in a perfect angle to be shot at with a camera placed in the same angle. Meaning, as protesters were highly coordinated, someone sent them to exact this angle. In the time of social media and smart phones this spreads like fire.
Swoboda party came out with suggestions to limit information, to "prevent rumour". They seem to have tried to ban Russian media, too. It won*t help them.

Posted by: somebody | Mar 6 2014 5:21 utc | 107

In communities on the prairies the various churches in the towns and villages would host annual chicken suppers however the Ukrainian Orthodox Christians would never attend the suppers hosted by the Ukrainian Catholics and vice versa. Ever since Poland gained controlled the area the Jesuits sought to convert all the Ukrainian churches to the Ukrainian Catholic rite with its pseudo-Orthodox liturgy and married priests. The Jesuits managed to wipe out the Polish Orthodox Church and they wish to do the same in the Ukraine. Many Russian Orthodox hierarchs fear that the new Jesuit pope, Pope Francis I, will give the Ukrainian Greek Orthodox Church – the Uniates — a patriarch. The American-born Jesuit Ukrainian Catholic mitered archimandrite Robert Taft, responded when asked about persuading the Orthodox to accept the patriarchate with the comment: No, and I don’t think we should even try. To hell with Moscow (National Catholic Reporter, Feb. 5, 2004 http://www.natcath.org/mainpage/specialdocuments/taft.htm). On Feb. 13, Pope Francis confirmed the decisions of the synod of bishops of the Ukrainian Greek Catholic Church regarding the creations of the Archiepiscopal Exarchate of Odesa-Krym. The new Odesa exarchate will have its seat in Odesa, while the Krym exarchate – serving Crimea — will have its seat in Simferopol, the Holy See announced. Thank Putin for protecting the Eastern Orthodox from these invaders.

There is more to this Ukraine conflict, the top objective of the Khazars is to dominate the desert religions. Wait till the Pontiff visits Israel in May, he will sell off the Holy land, lock, stock and barrel.

Posted by: Hans | Mar 6 2014 6:32 utc | 108

About this site being down: I experienced the same thing mid afternoon Eastern Standard Time. I am all in favor of paranoia, too. But suspicion should be followed by the seeking of evidence, both pro and con. Ukraine right now is certainly the biggest thing since the Georgian War of 2008, and at least as scary and dangerous. So if MOA was linked on other internet sites, increased traffic from those sites might have been the cause. If this is the case, Bernard can probably tell from his site statistics. Equally if it is not the case.

Meanwhile, I too am most glad that the site is up again!

Thanks b!

--Gaianne

Posted by: Gaianne | Mar 6 2014 6:36 utc | 109

106) Actually the church angle in Ukraine is interesting, though I do not see Catholics gaining any ground.

It seems there has been a planned social, political and religious alignment "against Moscow".

From Wikipedia

Several clergymen of the Ukrainian Orthodox Church of the Kyivan Patriarchate, Ukrainian Autocephalous Orthodox Church and Ukrainian Greek Catholic Church are Svoboda members and have stood for election as Svoboda chosen candidates.[66] According to the party, they were chosen on election lists "to counterbalance opponents who include “Moscow priests” in their election lists and have aspirations to build the “Russian World” in Ukraine".[66] Per the party's desire to separate the clergy from politics, all churchmen will be recalled if a draft Constitution of Ukraine proposed by the party is approved.[66]

Posted by: somebody | Mar 6 2014 7:04 utc | 110

It is concentrating on Donetsk now, there are rumours of special forces, Blackwater present there.

If you follow Swedish Neocon https://twitter.com/carlbildt you know what Neocons plan.

Posted by: somebody | Mar 6 2014 7:22 utc | 111

About the sites issue, it might be that all these sites use the same blogsite for their pages.

Posted by: Anonymous | Mar 6 2014 9:22 utc | 113

What the phone leaks (Nuland and Ashton) have established is that the EUrocrats are lackeys of the US. What is ordered on the Hill, they apply. We could laugh of Tony Blair, but we actually have dozens on Tony Blairs in BXL, each of them paid somewhere between 7,000 and 15,000 per month, and they don't pay taxes. (+ the little à côtés when they help a lobby or two)

I can't wait for Germany to get out of this jungle.

Posted by: Mina | Mar 6 2014 9:36 utc | 114

http://blogs.rediff.com/mkbhadrakumar/2014/03/06/moscow-engages-with-old-europe-to-calm-ukraine/
Says it in a better...

Posted by: Mina | Mar 6 2014 9:36 utc | 115

oh...wow! hold me down! trying to up the US on the Chutzpah olympics is euromaidan PR! if Crimeas govt is 'illegal' what is the neonazi one in Kiev? Crimea is at the will of the people..Kievs is not

Euromaidan PR ‏@EuromaidanPR 10m
Illegal #Crimea government has moved date of referendum in Crimea On March 16 (!!!) @insider_com_ua http://www.theinsider.ua/politics/5318439adb3e5/ … |PR News #Ukraine

Posted by: brian | Mar 6 2014 10:02 utc | 116

a good idea in the battle with the US mediapR onslaught in support of the illegal regime in kiev is to always make clear its neonazi character by using that word as an adjective: so 'neonazi kiev regme' : force people and the regime to respond to this descriptor...like an albatross around the neck...for you can be sure the media will always speak of the Ukrainian government and try to make the neonazi basis slip into the background

Posted by: brian | Mar 6 2014 10:11 utc | 117

As for the old line that "these leaks don't tell us anything we don't already know", I think anyone would be hard pressed to make that argument about these calls.

Posted by: guest77 | Mar 5, 2014 10:34:28 PM | 100

Absolutely no one but you has tried to make any such connection - why is that I wonder?

Guess it must be that most here realise that these leaks and the Snowden leaks have absolutely nothing in common - in fact you are the only person I have seen anywhere that is tying these leaks and the Snowden leaks together in the manner that you are now trying to do.

I guess everyone else also realises that these leaks and the snowden leaks have nothing in common - everyone but you by the looks of it.

Posted by: brb | Mar 6 2014 10:19 utc | 118


Truth about situation in Ukraine shared a link.
12 minutes ago · Edited
BREAKING NEWS !

Crimea just voted in favor of joining Russia
To be a part of the Russian Federation as an autonomy voted 78 out of 81 deputies.

Сrimea Parliament appealed to the Russian authorities "to start the process of joing to the Russian Federation as a subject of the Russian Federation." The document is addressed to the Russian President Vladimir Putin and Russian Parliament.

Earlier, the Vice Prime Minister of Crimea Temirgaliev Rustam said that the referendum on the status of autonomy would be on March 16th, 2014. He added that the inhabitants of the Crimea would be asked the question about Crimea possible joining to Russia, and the return to the constitution of 1992

http://kp.ua/daily/060314/442291/

Posted by: brian | Mar 6 2014 10:27 utc | 119

another classic of chutzpah, coming as well form israel! 'Gedalyah Reback ‏@gedalyahreback 7m
RT @Max_Fisher: If #Crimea tries to break away without an int'l organized referendum, can’t imagine the #EU recognizing it as legitimate......is this legitimacy issue like the issue of the neonazi regime of Kiev? after all that wasnt ' int'l organized '.....welll...oK maybe it was!

Posted by: brian | Mar 6 2014 10:28 utc | 120

I believe this aspect has not been examined yet, at least not in the MSM ( Sat, 20 July 2013 03:44 ):
Ukraine: Unexpected Oil Find, Major Gas Interest
Bottom Line: We see a flurry of activity in Ukraine, with a $735 million Black Sea commitment by Exxon, an unexpected 100 million barrel oil find in the Poltava region and new estimates that the country could achieve annual gas production of 45 billion cubic meters by 2020.
Analysis: First, Ukraine’s state-run oil and gas company Naftogaz on 11 July announced the discovery of an oil field in the eastern/central Poltava region that reportedly contains some 13 million tons of oil, or 100 million barrels of oil. This is the biggest oil find in Ukraine in a decade and a half. The Budishchansko-Chutovskoye oil field is fully owned by Naftogaz, and is the only field fully owned by the state-run company.
The news for Ukraine gets even better this week, though. Exxon Mobil Corp is ready to invest $735 million to drill two deep-water wells offshore Ukraine in the Black Sea ($335 million in a signing bonus for the government and a $400 million commitment for seismic surveys and drilling). This is an amazing show of confidence by Exxon in Ukraine’s Black Sea.
Finally, ExxonMobil has given Ukraine another public boost with a new estimate that the country’s onshore and offshore gas reserves could help it reach production of 45 billion cubic meters by 2020.
Recommendation: We suggest very closely monitoring Exxon’s progress as it prepares to explore in Ukraine’s Black Sea, in the deep marine Skifiske gas field. (Right…

I think Nudelman's talk about 5B$ spent on "assistance" for Ukraine was at an Chevron conference... Exxon Mobil shares board members with JP Morgan Chase, Citigroup, Deutsche Bank, Royal Bank of Canada and Prudential. Chevron Texaco has interlocks with Bank of America and JP Morgan Chase.

Posted by: Propeace | Mar 6 2014 10:39 utc | 121

119) Makes sense for Crimea to get independance. I guess there is a lot of hope for the privatization of Naftogaz.
Will be interesting to see how well Ukrainian oligarchs survive this.

"The protests began as pro-EU, then became anti-government, then anti the economic system. The basic aim is to split business and politics," Dalton pointed out.

Posted by: somebody | Mar 6 2014 10:59 utc | 122

"Knock, knock . . . "

Posted by: brb | Mar 6 2014 11:14 utc | 123

Dear Pepe,
I have a title for your next article "The coup must go on...".
Thanks for your amazing work,

M.

Posted by: Mina | Mar 6 2014 11:15 utc | 124

NELSON S DAVIS ‏@NELSONSDAVIS 10m
Like Austria holding Plebiscite to join Nazi Germany - Crimea sets referendum to join Russia..........................the nazis are in KIEV! to join the Ukraine is to parallell Austria

Posted by: brian | Mar 6 2014 11:24 utc | 125

Any guess how many will vote now/yes to joining Russia if this referendum gets through?

nato, us, eu must sh't in their pants now just like their nazifriends in kiev lol!

Posted by: Anonymous | Mar 6 2014 11:29 utc | 126

"Ukraine: Ashton Phonecall On Maidan Snipers"


are these the daily talk points from Moscow?

Posted by: Another Jeff | Mar 6 2014 11:54 utc | 127

124) It does not help to deescalate, that is for sure. Basically EU/US will not recognize the referendum as done under occupation. Russia might trade it with Kosovo.
There will be a lot of hype about "Russia changing borders" but as a matter of fact the US has been at it at least since Yugoslavia.
The EU now seems to talk directly to the oligarchs, but the majority of the oligarchs has business with Russia and need to be within the Eurasian Trade Zone. The oligarchs also have the money to buy security and politicians. The EU cannot afford a trade war with Russia. So something will have to give.

Posted by: somebody | Mar 6 2014 12:04 utc | 128

Regarding the Pepe Escobar article posted earlier: Pepe has this to say

Don't mess with Russian intelligence

The "West" once again has learned you don't mess with Russian intelligence, which in a nutshell preempted in Crimea a replica of the coup in Kiev, largely precipitated by UNA-UNSO - a shady, ultra-rightwing, crack paramilitary NATO-linked force using Ukraine as base, as exposed by William Engdahl.

Now that's the sort of claim I usually like to see an actual source for.

So off we go, and when one goes to the Engdahl link one finds this passage

Strange Ukraine ‘Nationalists’

The leader of UNA-UNSO, Andriy Shkil, ten years ago became an adviser to Julia Tymoshenko. UNA-UNSO, during the US-instigated 2003-2004 “Orange Revolution”, backed pro-NATO candidate Viktor Yushchenko against his pro-Russian opponent, Yanukovich. UNA-UNSO members provided security for the supporters of Yushchenko and Julia Tymoshenko on Independence Square in Kiev in 2003-4.[4]

UNA-UNSO is also reported to have close ties to the German National Democratic Party (NDP). [5]

Ever since the dissolution of the Soviet Union in 1991 the crack-para-military UNA-UNSO members have been behind every revolt against Russian influence. The one connecting thread in their violent campaigns is always anti-Russia. The organization, according to veteran US intelligence sources, is part of a secret NATO “GLADIO” organization, and not a Ukraine nationalist group as portrayed in western media. [6]

According to these sources, UNA-UNSO have been involved (confirmed officially) in the Lithuanian events in the Winter of 1991, the Soviet Coup d’etat in Summer 1991, the war for the Pridnister Republic 1992, the anti-Moscow Abkhazia War 1993, the Chechen War, the US-organized Kosovo Campaign Against the Serbs, and the August 8 2008 war in Georgia. According to these reports, UNA-UNSO para-military have been involved in every NATO dirty war in the post-cold war period, always fighting on behalf of NATO. “These people are the dangerous mercenaries used all over the world to fight NATO’s dirty war, and to frame Russia because this group pretends to be Russian special forces. THESE ARE THE BAD GUYS, forget about the window dressing nationalists, these are the men behind the sniper rifles,” these sources insist. [7]


I was interested in the actual source for these claims by Engdahl. I certainly do find it believable that such a group exists and exists in the way Engdahl says it does, but I am interested in finding out the source for these claims nonetheless to try and gauge for myself just how reliable the info might be.

So Engdahl's text is sprinkled with several footnotes (am I the only one that thinks that Engdahl rather annoyingly really does not seem to fully understand the concept behind Embedded Hyperlinks?)

So I check out the footnotes. Here are the first two relevant ones

[4] Aleksandar Vasovic , Far right group flexes during Ukraine revolution, Associated Press, January 3, 2005, Accessed in http://community.seattletimes.nwsource.com/archive/?date=20050103&slug=ukraine03

[5] Wikipedia, Ukrainian National Assembly Ukrainian National Self Defence, Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia, accessed in http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ukrainian_National_Assembly_%E2%80%93_Ukrainian_National_Self_Defence

(For the moment I'll just ignore the questionable wisdom of Engdahl basing a claim on something he read on Wikipedia, not linking to the source of those claims) - I didn't check those links but they do appear to be actual links to something published on the web, something one could check out for one self if one were at all bothered to do so.

There are 2 other links in Engdahl's text and those two links would appear at first glance to link to the source for Engdahl's claims that UNA-UNSO "is part of a secret NATO “GLADIO” organization that trianed in Ukraine" etc etc.

that is the source that I'm interested in.

Unfortunately the footnotes are rather disappointing - see for yourself

[6] Source report, Who Has Ukraine Weapons, February 27, 2014, private to author.

[7] Ibid.

Don't know about anyone else here, but it all seems rather a bit of an anti-climax.

Engdahl claims: "Source report, "Who Has Ukraine Weapons", February 27, 2014, private to author."

what the hell does that even mean?

Engdahl has a report, but it's "private" (and he ain't showing it to us) and not only that it's "private to the author"? Who is the author of the"report"? Engdahl? some 3rd as yet unnamed individual? Engdahl doesn't say.

I'm left with the weird and probably false impression that Engdahl himself wrote a report but is keeping it private to himself. that doesn't really make any sense.

Or maybe he means he received a report and is keeping it private to himself. Again doesn't really make much sense.

If he has this damning report containing some sort of damning revelations regarding UNA-UNSO then why the hell is he not showing us the damn report.


None of that really makes any sense. Perhaps it's merely a case of bad phrasing on Engdahls part and I'm making too much of it - but if Engdahl is going to claim he has evidence to support these claim then why is he being so coy when it comes to actually producing it?


"It's seekrit, but true, trust me" Mr Engdahl seems to be saying.

No thanks William - just show us the damn report

Posted by: brb | Mar 6 2014 12:07 utc | 129

Is it a coincidence that it happens when Italy has not yet a real government?
I would start to stock coal if i were Italian.

Posted by: Mina | Mar 6 2014 12:28 utc | 130

Snipers in the street? Well, maybe the Hotel Ukraine.

This from a Spanish site:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1hx2wUPSiBA

Posted by: El Sid | Mar 6 2014 12:31 utc | 131

About the referendum: If Crimea chooses to leave Ukraine, our western friends have no option but to accept that. I'm assuming that ~75% of the population would deliberately vote for a separation, then what? Force Crimea back into Ukraine on grounds of human rights or something? Force them back and then have another election? If one just for one second imagines that crimea would be "brought back by force" (how? militarily? impossible, but let's assume) there would be a major civil unrest that Yats and his pals could only dream of (in their nightmares that is). So once it's done, there's no way back. I think it's good for russia to speed things up a little, before the west can adopt to the situation. Obviously, they've been taken by surprise.

Posted by: peter radiator | Mar 6 2014 12:43 utc | 132

Well, if even the BBC says so... " 11:56:The legal position in Ukraine regarding the possible secession of Crimea is unclear. Under Ukraine's constitution, "issues of altering the territory of Ukraine are resolved exclusively by an all-Ukrainian referendum". But the constitution also says Crimea is entitled to call its own local referendums."

Posted by: Mina | Mar 6 2014 12:44 utc | 133

124) It does not help to deescalate, that is for sure. Basically EU/US will not recognize the referendum as done under occupation. Russia might trade it with Kosovo.
Posted by: somebody | Mar 6, 2014 7:04:25 AM | 128

your joking...what occupation? and EU and US dictatorships of course wont recognise it they way they did KOSOVO..but thats because they are power hungry blocs

Posted by: brian | Mar 6 2014 12:47 utc | 134

an eg of the machievellian scheming that goes underneath the smile face of EU/US leadership:

Until recently, the general feeling amongst analysts and observers was that Kosovo's declaration of independence was nothing more than a hollow threat and that the US was using the whole issue to pressure Russia to soften its opposition to a new UN security council resolution to tighten sanctions against Iran concerning its nuclear programme - a typical great power quid pro quo.
It turned out, however, that this analysis was out of touch with reality, causing confusion in Arab policy and intellectual circles. The US has decided to disregard Russia's opposition and went ahead with the plan to grant independence to the tiny Serbian province.
http://gulfnews.com/opinions/columnists/why-us-supports-kosovo-s-independence-1.86988

lesson? might is right

Posted by: brian | Mar 6 2014 12:49 utc | 135

Ukraine will be split..The EU's worse nightmare scenario is about to be realized. Ukraine without Crimea is a basket case sh*thole with NADA, ZILTCH, ZERO!!!!

You see, this wasn't part of the script. It was supposed to be a "peaceful" (slightly salted/violent than Syria, Libya) toppling of a democratically elected "brutal dictator" and replaced with an US/EU vetted stooge. Now they realize not everyone in the country want to deal with them. Enjoy :^)

The almighty US is now reduced to making threats of sanctions and Visa bans. I'm sure Russian Oligarchs are very upset that they can't have their next holiday in Florida - NOT!!!!

Posted by: Zico | Mar 6 2014 12:57 utc | 136

The MSM do their best to never mention that it is only in 1954 that Crimea became part of Ukraine, and they did a lot of contorstions not to speak of a referendum as a peaceful solution for all parties. So it is obvious that the only card of the US/Neonazi gang in Kiev is escalation, but thanks to the leaks, it will be hard.

Posted by: Mina | Mar 6 2014 12:58 utc | 137

Alex Shah ‏@alekshah 10m
If "majority will" enforced by NATO took Kosovo from Serbia - then surely a Crimean regional referendum can take Crimea out of Ukraine.!

Posted by: brian | Mar 6 2014 13:18 utc | 138

This story from RT is important: if it is true the EU/IMF is goimg to need State department experts with Haiti experience before it risks elections.


"The self-proclaimed government in Kiev is reportedly planning to cut pensions by 50 percent as part of unprecedented austerity measures to save Ukraine from default. With an “empty treasury”, reduction of payments might take place in March.

"According to the draft document obtained by Kommersant-Ukraine, social payments will be the first to be reduced.

“The Finance Ministry has prepared a plan for optimizing budget expenditures, which implies budget sequestration is to be in force before the end of March. For this purpose, in particular, it has been proposed to reduce capital costs, eliminate tax schemes and preferences and to cut social benefits, for example, 50 percent of pensions to working pensioners,” Kommersant-Ukraine reported.

"Ukraine’s Ministry of Social Policy reported on December 1, 2013, that an average pension in Ukraine is $160.
"Right after the formation, the self-proclaimed government in Kiev announced that the “treasury is empty”.

"Ukraine’s new prime minister, Arseny Yatsenyuk, promised the government would do its best to avoid a default, adding that he expects an EU/IMF economic stabilization package soon. The plan has been formulated in record time, with the government’s strategy ratified in the Ukrainian parliament on February 27, and the document being sent for evaluation to the Ministry of Economic Development and Trade on March 3.

"The European Commission offered Ukraine an 11 billion euro loan if Kiev agrees a deal with the IMF, European Commission President Jose Barroso announced on Wednesday. As a rule, help from financial organizations such as the IMF or the World Bank normally includes drastic austerity measures.

"Accepting IMF money will mean many sacrifices for Ukraine’s economy, which are likely to include increased gas bills, frozen government salaries, and all around budget cuts.

"The government in Kiev has already announced sequestration plans from $6.8 to $8.4 billion in 2014."

Sounds like there is a Troika headed for Kiev.

Posted by: bevin | Mar 6 2014 14:08 utc | 139

@118 I didn't say nor imply they are directly related. They are part of the same "leaks in the digital age" phenomena though, certainly. And it is better to have this call than to simply suspect what these creeps are up to.

They are related in kind though. And in both cases, better to have than to not. And that is the point i am making. If you've gone into a fit over something i did not say - that these leaks are somehow tied directly to the Snowed leaks - that's you're problem, not mine.

Posted by: guest77 | Mar 6 2014 14:17 utc | 140

Oh, another RT "moral journalist" thinks She found God so she's resigned..I guess all the sleeper agents are coming out of their shells now..lol

In the mean time, Russia keeps changing facts on the ground. Let the EU/US/NATO keep holding their talks..

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=55izx6rbCqg

Posted by: Zico | Mar 6 2014 14:33 utc | 141


http://english.farsnews.com/newstext.aspx?nn=13921215000987


.....The superficial tranquility of the arrogant powers and the conventional powers ruling the world are being destroyed and one of its signs is the economic crisis in Europe and the US and the signs of their economicThe bankruptcy is becoming visible,” Ayatollah Khamenei said, addressing the members of Iran’s Assembly of Experts in Tehran on Thursday.

He also said that the failed ethics, trampled humanity and emergence of the humanism-centered identity of the western civilization are other signs indicating that the arrogant front’s superficial peace has been disturbed.

The Leader said killings, plundering, violence, corruption, lusting, promotion of gay marriage, support for violent and wild terrorism in the region and blasphemy of sanctities and religious figures indicate the western civilization's failure in morals and ethics.

Ayatollah Khamenei described the destruction of the western civilization’s scientific bases and identity, general hatred for the US and other powers and their international disgrace as other signs and realities of the contemporary world, and said, “The awakening of nations, specially the Islamic awakening and the rise of the Islamic resistance, is another reality of the world today.”......

Posted by: Sufi | Mar 6 2014 15:50 utc | 142

The silence of KSA is profound. Must be calculating how many rubles you get for a riyal.

Posted by: Mina | Mar 6 2014 16:25 utc | 143

(MKB) says it better.
Posted by: Mina | Mar 6, 2014 4:36:48 AM | 115

Nice to see him taking a break from his excessive diplomacy.

Posted by: Hoarsewhisperer | Mar 6 2014 17:32 utc | 144

Good Pepe Escobar interview:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b3HEnh7qCTI

Posted by: MRW | Mar 9 2014 20:53 utc | 145

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