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Ukraine: Purge Of The Fascists?
(There was no time yet to read through all your comments on yesterday's thread so I am not sure how much of this has been mentioned yet.)
The fascist defense minister Tenyukh, who wanted to start a war with Russia, is probably being dismissed today by the Ukrainian rump-parliament. The provisional president designated one Mykhailo Koval as acting minister of defense. But Reuters reports that Tenyukh himself asked to be dismissed and that the parliament lacked the votes to accept it. Other claims differ. I have not yet found the reasons for this move. Was it because Tenyukh wanted to start a war or because he did not manage to do so? Or was it the fact that about 80% of the Ukrainian troops on Crimea defied his orders and decided to move over to the Russian side?
In other news one of the most dangerous leaders of the Pravyh Sektor, the muscle paramilitary side of the fascists in Ukraine, was shot down and killed near the west-Ukrainian city of Rivne. It is unclear who killed him and why. According to the (anti-Putin) Moscow Times:
Ukrainian lawmaker Oleksandr Doniy said on his Facebook page that unknown assailants blocked off Muzychko's car, dragged him out of the vehicle, cuffed his hands behind his back, and shot him twice in the chest.
Vse and another Rivne website, ChaRivne, said that townspeople believed that Muzychko had been gunned down by a "Russian subversive group."
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"Those who killed him made sure that he was not wearing a bulletproof vest and then shot him in the heart," Right Sector activist Yaroslav Hranitskiy said, ChaRivne reported.
Muzychko earlier this month accused the Ukrainian Prosecutor General's Office and police of planning to kill him or capture and hand him over to Russia.
"I am not afraid of death," he said in a YouTube video. He said his "friends, brothers, patriots" would "continue the battle."
Voice of Russia as well as Associated Press report that Oleksandr Muzychko was killed by Ukrainian police forces:
Ukraine's Interior Ministry says a prominent member of a radical nationalist movement in Ukraine that played a key role in recent anti-government demonstrations was killed during a police operation to detain him.
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Police say Muzychko was sought for organized crime links, hooliganism and for threatening public officials.
The Interior Ministry said Tuesday that Muzychko was shot dead after opening fire on police.
Muzychko was an embarrassment for the government. The allegation that the February 21 coup in Kiev was executed by mostly fascist forces is based on the roles that Tenyukh, Muzychko and others played in it. Removing them now may be an attempt to clean the image of the putschists.
I’m replying to fairleft’s response to me on the previous thread, and since he’s move on to this one I’ll post it here.
@213 fairleft
I think the biggest “racist criminal operation in modern history” was actually Hitler’s empire and murder crusade.
While I agree with you on this; I have already stated repeatedly as to what I consider modern history in my criticism of Zionism. The Nazi WWII era is over! But Zionism and all its injustice is still moving on, therefore I consider it totally disingenuous, unhelpful to eradicating the crime of Zionism and manipulative to continuously harp back to the Holocaust and milk the Holocaust to make Zionism appear the lesser crime and thus diminish the Nakba and on-going crime against Palestinians. Zionism is not over yet; and it’s getting progressively worse in its brutality! Just as Jews think it’s anti-Semitic to compare Zionism with Nazism; I think it’s outrageous to try to diminish the crimes of Zionism by milking the Holocaust incessantly!
So when I’m writing about this issue, modern history in the context of Zionism is POST WWII. Why do I do this? Well for one; I don’t appreciate at all when people drag the Holocaust in to lessen the crime of Zionism or to mitigate it by explaining that Jews deserved to displace Palestinians from their homeland because they suffered. Sorry, that doesn’t fly with me at all!
Next, the other reason I insist on staying in the post-WWII era regarding Zionism, is that idiots like r’g, TomGuard and Copeland love to rub the protocols in my face to silence and demonize me. Well, I won’t be silenced with that shitty strategy. You see, I don’t care who thought what about Jews then and what Jews thought back. I don’t want my argument against Zionism to be mired in that era. That was then and this is now! That strategy of always making Jews appear vulnerable, helpless and hated doesn’t fit with what Zionism has become, the immense Power behind it the military nuclear behemoth that sustains it and the incredibly ambitious hegemonic agenda Zionists are trying to impose.
I don’t appreciate people cutting my argument at the knees, with the poor-Jew meme. That doesn’t fly today one bit today; it’s ridiculous! I read an article in Jewish Media outlet Ynet recently, entitled: How did American Jews get so rich?– that talks about the rise of Jewish wealth in America. Unfortunately, it too goes into the poor-Jew stereotype, who went from persecution to great wealth, kind of like saying: Oh, but no matter how powerful and rich Jews are; they’re still the most vulnerable people on the planet! Oh puhleez! I’m sick to death of that phony argument. That argument is what helps to sustain Zionism. That argument is deceptive and immoral, and it’s a propaganda tool of Zionism and I’ll fight it tooth and nail!
I’m linking the article merely as proof but I prefer not to quote Zionist propaganda. The only reason I brought it up is because Jews are allowed to admit they’re rich and powerful, but everyone else must pretend they’re still the poor, powerless, persecuted Jews from pre-WWII otherwise we’re anti-Semitic. This is all Zionist fascist manipulation of the narrative that shields Zionism, the greatest ongoing racist crime since WWII.
To those who understand where I’m coming from, enter at your own risk because this is rife with Zionist propaganda stereotyping: http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-4099803,00.html
Anyway, I don’t want to have to repeat myself ever again. When I’m dealing with Zionism, I don’t want to go anywhere pre WWII. I don’t want idiots throwing the Holocaust, the protocols and the poor oppressed Jew in my face to sink my valid argument against Zionism. These are the arguments Zionism feeds on and r’g, TG, and Copeland use to suffocate HONEST discussion on Zionism. And honestly, Zionism has immense power and wealth behind it and that wealth and power are being used for the immoral purpose of perpetuating Zionism; a criminal operation in every sense.
I don’t want to have to repeat this:
I don’t appreciate being manipulated and condescended, so fair warning to everyone concerned; don’t milk the Holocaust, the poor, persecuted Jew or the protocols to get an edge on my argument against Zionism EVER!
I’ll give this one a pass, because maybe you didn’t know I don’t operate in the pre-WWII era. The next time someone does this to me; I’ll eviscerate their every word and rightly assume that the individual is a propagandist for Zionism, ie hasbarist.
Posted by: kalithea | Mar 25 2014 15:02 utc | 29
There never was “the right sector” in ukraine. There were diverse groups, many of which were hardly more than a handful of people and many were purely regional players and most of members were youngsters.
Some of these groups were anti-Russian, some anti-Wezt, some anit-semite and pretty all of them were merely “nationalist” in that they saw – and very often personally experienced – ukraine being rotting away and being plundered by diverse interests groups, mainly the oligarch-politician mafia. Their goal wasn’t really an anti-whatever ukraine but a ukraine in which one could make a living and have some basic justice; seeing that this was not achievable an enemy was need. And that’s where the splitting in many groups occured because there were many perceptions of the enemy. Some rather pragmatic (“the pro western politicians”), some more conspirational (“the jews”), and almost all usually “decided” basically by some local leader who again, being oriented at one or the other higher level group or “hero”, passed on whatever the “wisdom” he was told or happened to believe in said.
Of course, the usual “laws” of the workings at the social and intellectual periphery held true. Like “The worse the situation the more extreme the views”.
Similarly there were no demonstrations against yanukovich in particular and certainly not demonstrations for any other candidate. What the ukrainians, those that *really* demonstrated rather than being payed to be there, actually wanted wasn’t yanukovich; it was was he represented, he just happened to be the current face of the “peoples enemy”.
What they wanted was pretty much what the “right sector” wanted, too, the main difference being that the peaceful demonstrators still believed in the feasability within a democratic system and importantly without executions or extreme measures, while the “right sector” had lost any trust in the system and even democracy (at least ukraine style) and wanted a) a revolution b) heads rolling c) “real power” to “clean up”.
If joining zeu had any role at all on maidan then simply and very naively in that it was seen as a symbol of a lawful and prosperous (haha) state and as a power so big that even the oligarchs couldn’t simply ignore it or play with it.
And if Russophobia had any role than mostly simply because Russia was the next best “enemy” and because the eastern Regions usually were somewhat better off than the western and central ones and, that’s important, because Russia was seen as the current incarnation of the evil Sovjets (never mind that there were no ukraine at all without the Sovjets) who, seen from a desperate nationalistic perspective, were the evil guys who plundered ukraine and held it down etc. Which btw. also explains the feeling of some nazis that robbing Russians is merely “taking back”.
And indeed the Sowjets created somewhat of a Frankenstein with some pieces from here, some tacked on from there and yet others from, say, what poland understood as theirs, the funny thing being that the Sowjets intention was not a bad one in “padding” an ancient Rus region; chrustchevs giving away Crimea as a present wasn’t that singular and out of the conventional as many Russians would like to think, at least it was in line of former Sovjet attitude and behaviour.
I write this as it’s not as simple as Russia und ukraine are two countries and possibly even enemies. When Putin says that Russia always and still considers ukraine a very special neighbour that that’s true and merely reflecting a path that was common in may regards; actually many ethnic Russians in eastern ukraine considered themselves Russians who happened to fall on the wrong side of a border that shouldn’t be there in the first place.
During maidan and widely due to immense amounts of propaganda and foreign money and quite some behind the scenes “management” mainly by foreign payed agents, some kind of superficial unity created what could be perceived – and used – as “the right sector”. But, make no mistake, this temporary “unity” very quickly deteriorated when the snipers in kiev shot and when it became more and more obvious and undeniable that the “peoples heroes” klitchko, jaz, et al. were undeniably payed for and managed assets by the wezt.
Maybe it was planned for from the beginning, maybe the dynamics surprised the foreign managers but now the “right sector” has to be cleaned out of the landscape at least to a degree of allowing the impression that “good democrats” are in control and not nazi gangsters. As first of all Germanies merkel is at danger every day someone can rightfully accuse her of having sponsored nazis, it seems credible and reasonable to assume, as some do, that timochenko was involved in the sacha white execution; after all timochenko has some experience in ordering murders and she owes very much to merkel.
But while being a highly visible cleaning action that murder will not be the last but rather the beginning of a wave. And it won’t be “right sector” only. The nazi politicians have, probably not unknowingly, managed that thousands of weapons and lots of ammo haven fallen into the hands of very wrong people and not all of them will limit themselves to robbing trains, houses, or cars.
Will zusa and their criminal puppets bring in weztern mercenaries? If they don’t have to pay them, at least not now, yes, quite probably. If you are hated by the people and you don’t want to give up power, you need fighters, simple as that and each and every zusa and zeu politician will confirm that, albeit not publicly and somewhat euphemized and preferring the term “police”. The game is the same, namely, to suppress and to keep down the people while they are robbed, raped, abused, and otherwise ignored.
What will Putin do? Well, except for certain red lines, he quite probably will stand by officially while making sure that the militias in the eastern regions have enough weapons and training. It is important to understand that Putin had no interest in ukraine, except for it more or less at least not getting worse; what he did was done in a situation the wezt created. His “main directive” was and is to make Russia stronger and even more invincible and to oppose zusas unilateral gambling casino and wanton murder world, in a large part by building up, growing and cementing BRICS. As far as ukraine is concerned Putin will insist any make unconditionally sure that the eastern and southern regions are not endangered or harmed and that ukraine stays non-zato; the latter not because he fears zato (he certainly doesn’t and now even less) but to stand against zusas unilateral concept. As I said many times, Putin is not *against* zusa, he doesn’t want to destroy it, he even envisions it as a partner, but he wants and *will make* it to be one power next to others and certainly not above any other power.
To understand this is also helpful in understanding his stance on ukraine. Even *if* he wanted a part of ukraine (he doesn’t) or some saying in ukraine (he has it anyway) he would still stand by as long as the red lines aren’t crossed simply because he is maing far higher and in the coming multipolar world ukraine will anyway be in Russias sphere (where its belongs anyway) and zusa will anyway be next to insignificant in Europe and zeu will anyway have broken and possibly been replaced by some healthier union of states.
The way I see it, there is basically only one important open question concerning ukraine namely “Will the wezt and their regime in kiev be smart and potent enough (inside ukraine) to create a situation that allows ukraine to stay intact (territory, state) or will the southern and eastern regions break away and create a new state which will have full Russian support once it’s created?”. If it’s the former there will be some conditiones sine qua non like timochenko *not* in any power position or even just near to one, at least the southern and eastern regions (and possibly all) having a high degree of autonomy, a constitution that nails down the basis for a viable state and zato membership excluded for eternity, police and particularly military sworn in to loyalty to the constituation (and *not* to any president or other politician) and some more.
Putin, I think, will play as small a role in that theater, as reasonably possible. He will be seen being concentrated to give the last stabs needed to bring zusa as unilateral word superpower to fall, *not* zusa the country and its people, but the ugly unilateral system embodied, run and controlled by zusa. Theaters that come to mind are Iran, zus$, swift and payment systems.
As far as israel is concerned I see a seemingly small but important role in the zusa controlled system (so, at least it looks at the outside) and accordingly profound changes (to use as neutral a term as possible) but I do not wish to elaborate on that.
Btw. I see the current political shift in France as a) related to the cleaning up frenzy in ukraine b) not any more containable but actually spreading. I expect the may zeu elections to clearly signal that zeu, in particular the zeuro are terminally ill constructs although, no doubt, the system will fight its demise.
And with a little luck we will see more merkel related “leaks” to make that bitch either leave/fall or profoundly change her attitude (which I’m not sure she’s capable of).
Last but not least I hope (and actually expect) to see the *real* nazis in ukraine, those that are set to see jewish and/or Russian blood flow, taken care of; as far as I’m concerned “taking care of” in that case includes execution as an acceptable means.
Ceterum censeo israel americanamque vehementer delenda esse!
Posted by: Mr. Pragma | Mar 25 2014 16:08 utc | 47
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