Popcorn Please While "Putin's Agitators" Rule in Kiev
While anything seems possible, the operating assumption among some American and European officials is that Mr. Putin will not overtly invade eastern Ukraine but instead opt for a murky middle plan, using local agitators and perhaps undercover special forces to stir even more unrest in largely Russian-speaking areas of the country.
U.S. Challenge Now Is to Stop Further Putin Moves, NYT
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Putin is watching TV. Calls up his Chief of Intelligence: “Give Tyagnibok a medal for banning the use of Russian in Ukraine. What do you mean he isn't one of ours? Ok, give Yarosh a medal for the idea of blowing up Ukrainian gas transit lines. What do you mean, that's his own doing? How about that cretin Lyashko? How about those cretins from Svoboda—Miroshnichenko and others? So, DO WE HAVE ANY AGENTS ON THE GROUND IN UKRAINE AT ALL?! Where the hell are they? What the hell do you mean they bought a dump-truck of pop-corn and a tanker truck beer and are watching it like a movie?!!!” Hangs up in disgust. Calls again: “How could you let Muzychko get killed?”
via Cluborlov
Indeed Putin can just sit back and enjoy the popcorn. The putschists government is doing its very best to disgrace itself, to in-fight with its ideological friends and to push Russian speaking Ukrainians closer to Russia. Just notice today's decision to suspend even more Russian language TV services in Ukraine. How is that supposed to convince Russian speakers in Ukraine that their voices will be heard?
The fighting between the paramilitary rightwingers from the Pravyi Sektor and the Svoboda fascists has only started:
The Ukrainian radical group Right Sector demands Interior Minister Arsen Avakov's immediate dismissal and the arrest of members of the Sokil (Falcon) special task force involved in killing nationalist leader Oleksandr Muzychko nicknamed Sashko Bily in the Rivne region early on Tuesday.
The response from the Svoboda party minister:
Ukraine's Interior Ministry has started a sweep of arrests against the nationalist Right Sector organization, after its activists threatened revenge for the police killing of one of their leaders, Oleksandr Muzychko, a news report said.
Popcorn indeed.
According to Google news search no U.S. media picked up on the published Tymoshenko phone call in which she talks to her political ally Shufrych about mass killing Russians. Yahoo news carried an AFP agency text and a Washington Post blog entry tried to obfuscate the content of the talk. Except that there is nada in U.S. media while German papers were all over it. Of interest is not only the rather vulgar talk but the fact that it was held in Russian. This while the fake blond gas princess and her friends always uses Ukrainian in public speech to promote her fake nationalism. The leaked call will thereby not only alienate Russian speaker from Tymoshenko also the Ukrainian speakers which she tries to embezzle.
Why should Russia try to create unrest in eastern and southern Ukraine when the putsch government in Kiev is doing its very best to create such itself? To the growing unrest one can add the likely economic collapse that will come rather sooner than later. Any "western" help will be conditioned on austerity and impoverishing the people as well as on political reform that the oligarchs and the current politicians will not allow to happen. Under such condition further unrest is a given while Ukraine falls apart and there is no need at all for Russia to intervene to achieve such.
Russia will do nothing nefarious, it will do just nothing. Russia will not help, neither economically nor politically, unless Kiev and the "west" are willing to pay its price: A federalized Ukraine with strong regions and a weak central government.
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Posted by: remembererringgiap | Mar 27 2014 2:30 utc | 102
"Obama calls Russia only a ‘regional power’ as he defends his foreign policy"
I'm rolling. Sure, Obama. Russia is everywhere from the edge of Alaska to the tip of Florida.
"Regional"
Posted by: guest77 | Mar 27 2014 2:31 utc | 103
#95, #96
Since the end of the warsaw pact I've come to know some russians (mostly of german nationality) and found all of them, academics and non-academics, much more realistic and sceptical on politics than the average german or even european (of whom germans are to my understanding the most naive ;)). I give some credit to the secular and non-religious upringing of 1 or 2 generations, also I'm convinced that some degree of economic pressure makes a more sceptical person than a western european or american of that time (maybe you're being lied to, but it doesn't hurt that much when you've got some money, your own car and peace).
Posted by: peter radiator | Mar 27 2014 2:45 utc | 104
On top of that how can a regional power be a threat to the global system that "the US and Europe" built, as he claimed in his speech today?
Also, the regional power known as Russia can get to the International Space Station, but hyperpower USA can't. (It doesn't need to, because it can make space movies with great special effects.)
I share the thought that just doing nothing seems to be the best way to go for russia; the most important thing that happened over the last days, imho, is the evidence that the ukrainian military would rather coup against their leaders than shoot their "own people" (man this has become such a worn out phrase, although true in this case imho).
The more time passes, the weaker Yats and Yulia will be and while most of the nationalists may be bought (I wonder how many of them are actually oligarch's thugs anyway and how the muscle is distributed among them), there will still be some nazis around who'll go berserk when they find out that their time is meant to be over.
One thing I don't exactly understand is why the "west" is openly pressuring for a severe austerity. This is probably the best way to drive common ukrainians towards russia. The way the west is enforcing these cutbacks one could indeed conclude that chaos and civil war is their aim - given how early on they were pressing for austerity - maybe was intended from the beginning.
They might as well tread silently for some time, giving unconditional loans and create the illusion of future prosperity for half a year (what's some 15 bln. to the iwf or eu?), but they're not even trying...
Posted by: peter radiator | Mar 27 2014 3:00 utc | 107
The author of the piece really gets around. He's apparently not just "reporting" on the fascists funeral from the Ukraine, he was recently in Venezuela - not reporting news, but making it.
Venezuelan cops confiscating our equipment at gunpoint
I must say - I'm not particularly sympathetic.
He began his career in bed - er, excuse me - embedded with the US Army in Iraq, writing hard hitting exposés like: "Commanders optimistic, saying progressing a little quicker than expected"
This guy really gets around. A sort of budget CJ Chivers or something.
Perhaps he is trying to repair his reputation after all the shit he caught for honestly reporting - from a Gaza relief ship called Dignity - that Israel had purposefully rammed the humanitarian vessel. Awkward, that one. Now he knows better, presumably.
Posted by: guest77 | Mar 27 2014 3:08 utc | 108
@108 Sorry, by "the author of the piece" I mean the CNN puff piece on the funeral of "White Sasha".
Still no word on wether he loved puppies and kittens, or wether they buried him in his Raiders cap.
But Karl is on the case. We'll know soon.
Posted by: guest77 | Mar 27 2014 3:12 utc | 109
This web site is fantastic, especially the comments and news posted by readers. Many thanks. As an American, I am sickened by my government and this puppet Obama. I do not watch TV because it is sickening propaganda. The endless hatred against Vladimir Putin and Russia is disgusting. Many Americans are not buying it and many admire Putin. The USA is constantly engaging in this criminal regime change by the State Dept/CIA since the 1950s. The vast majority of Americans loathe Obama but he is just a puppet. Thank you for this great blog.
Posted by: Mary Jean | Mar 27 2014 3:14 utc | 110
#107:
They're used to being able to being able shove austerity down everyone's throat, so doing it to the Ukraine is just a matter of course for them. Also, the idea that some Ukrainians might want to be close to Russia as opposed to "the West" is unthinkable for them. They are used to thinking of East Europeans as sheep who willingly go to their slaughter.
West European fascists are fighting on the side of Ukrainian fascists, in the same way that European Islamists fight on the side of al Qaeda in Syria:
Swede Patrols Ukraine’s Streets with Right-wing Paramilitaries
hey euros, come to mama...
*European Union leaders last week agreed to accelerate their quest for more secure energy supplies by looking to import gas from the United States and pooling their purchasing power to empower the bloc in negotiations with Moscow*
http://www.reuters.com/article/2014/03/25/us-europe-energy-cameron-idUSBREA2O1Y820140325
Posted by: denk | Mar 27 2014 5:05 utc | 113
Posted by: Pirouz_2 | Mar 26, 2014 8:16:03 PM | 95
This is a long time ago, but with the GDR you had a people speaking the same language, being able to exchange books and transmission waves crossing the border. So we could compare both sides of the propaganda.
GDR propaganda had to lie more as the wall was an economic wall forcing the work force to remain, old age pensioners crossed it and you also could cross it from West to East visiting your relatives.
My cousin did not believe GDR propaganda but was still influenced by it. And was surprised by the uniformity of society in the West, how it was seemingly achieved without effort when it needed the state in the GDR.
I explained to him that it was achieved by the workplace. If you wanted a job you had to uniform yourself.
Polish people who came from a system of hidden unemployment - having nothing to do at work and getting bored but still having to show up to get the wage, they found the system of unemployment benefits great. I tried to explain the psychological pressure or it but they had to find out for themselves.
Western society would be very different and presumably democratic if there was a right to work.
Posted by: somebody | Mar 27 2014 6:03 utc | 114
Posted by: denk | Mar 27, 2014 1:05:31 AM | 113
The "import gas from the US" is rubbish but obviously needed for pressure, the second part is high time.
Gazprom negotiates prizes with European countries individually - the more you take or the more important politically, the cheaper it is. So countries like Germany are at a huge advantage in industrial production.
Posted by: somebody | Mar 27 2014 6:13 utc | 115
Posted by: peter radiator | Mar 26, 2014 11:00:52 PM | 107
Of course, the West presses for austerity. How do they want to get their money back if not?
Posted by: somebody | Mar 27 2014 6:16 utc | 116
What Obama and various senators and lobbyists are saying needs to be corrected, so here's some LNG 'rescuing Ukraine' realism:
Asian buyers, who have been counting on the fresh supply source to meet rising demand, said that Europe's option of increasing imports of liquefied natural gas (LNG) at the expense of Russian piped gas is a long-term, costly solution that may never happen."That is not going to happen overnight. You have to build up receiving terminals, which will take millions in investments and five or maybe ten years," chairman of Taiwan's CPC, Sheng-Chung Lin told Reuters at a gas conference in South Korea.
"Unless European countries show such determination, it won't happen," Lin said.
The discussions on supply come before the United States has shipped even one cargo of LNG. Exports are scheduled to begin next year and slowly ramp up toward the end of the decade to around 50 million tonnes a year, making it the world's third largest shipper behind Australia and Qatar.
Any impact of U.S. LNG exports to Europe would be "relatively minor on the scale of the global gas market", said Maarten Wetselaar, executive vice president of the integrated gas division at Royal Dutch Shell's, one of the world's biggest producers of LNG.
"I wouldn't expect them to disrupt any of the short-term, medium-term flows going around Asia," Wetselaar said.
http://www.reuters.com/article/2014/03/26/asia-lng-demand-idUSL3N0MH21F20140326
Mary Jean 110 Be careful, things are complicated with Obama. "Version 2.0", born on Nov 6 2012, is a very different "creature": please read this, it's important.
Posted by: ProPeace | Mar 27 2014 6:31 utc | 118
Posted by: somebody | Mar 27, 2014 2:03:56 AM | 114
A lot of Western brain washing is done in company programmes, and the way Obama talks reminds me of company "positive speak". You are taught to act like a salesperson. Critical thinking is not part of it.
But basically that is what Obama is. He is a salesman.
A lot of it is cultural. I remember trying to explain to an US American that the way he talks most Germans would think he was lying. It was impossible.
Posted by: somebody | Mar 27 2014 6:38 utc | 119
Posted by: ToivoS | Mar 26, 2014 8:07:51 PM | 94
There is another unknown. Will they get themselves organized to confront Russia.
I have no doubt that what this Ukrainian sober defense official says about the state of affairs is correct.
I am also sure that Yatseniuk was informed by Obama that "the West" will not go to war in Ukraine.
Germany for sure and presumably Poland will have informed them that they will not support civil war.
Obama's speech also made clear that the US will not support the fascists.
I guess, Ukrainians should look for the white flag.
Posted by: somebody | Mar 27 2014 6:53 utc | 120
Sombody;
I understand that your background is GDR? Are you old enough to remember those days? I ask it not because I am nosy
but because I want to know whether you talk based on personal experience or from memories of relatives. I hope I am not intruding in your privacy, if I am please disregard my question.
I am not going to make this comment long. But rather I will make it short and then based on your reply I will answer with more replies.
So first of all "the right to work" is the exact anti-thesis of the "Western Society" (ie. capitalism), so saying "if there was a right to work, the western societies would be this or that" is tantamount to saying that "if Jesus were atheist Christianity would be very progressive." Well if Jesus had been an atheist there would not have been a Christianity to begin with! Christianity and atheism are the anti-thesis to each other. See what I am trying to say?
In regards to the rest of your comment, let me first ask you a question which may seem irrelevant at the beginning:
Imagine two movie studios who want to shoot a fantasy movie about the days of the dinosaurs and some adventurers getting stuck in such a world and try to survive.
One movie studio has a budget of $100,000 and the other has the budget of $100,000,000. Which one do you think will be able to make a better movie? Which studio will be able to make a more realistic prehistoric scenery? Which one's prehistoric creatures will seem more realistic to the audience?
Posted by: Pirouz_2 | Mar 27 2014 6:58 utc | 121
By now it has become so clear that the Ukraine is in a state of anarchy and that there is really no government authority, if Russia were prone to the sort of humanitarian missions that the US and Britain are so fond of, Russia would occupy all of the Ukraine, to restore order. But Russia, being a democracy, places the welfare of its citizens above all else, so it is not going to occupy the Ukraine to restore democracy in that country after the US destroyed Ukrainian democracy, even though from a humanitarian point of view, that would be the only right thing to do.
I just can't believe that Putin is funding the Koch brothers and the Tea Party, but that's what I've read.
Posted by: biklett | Mar 27 2014 7:18 utc | 123
Of course sensation-seeking BS outlets of the Rothschild empire disseminate disinformation suggesting Poland is preparing for war with Russia, mostly by exaggerating reports of some reservist being called up. No reasonable person in Poland will fight with Russia under current Russian leadership and policies. Some people stated that very clearly in comments sections on major polish Internet portals - they will refuse the call to arms.
Polish PM pushes the "sanctions" fable, and quite clearly states that there is no war over horizon within months. A week ago he said (Donald Tusk: nie będziemy nikogo namawiać na wojnę):
Prime Minister asked whether the sanctions imposed on Russia by the EU should not be stronger , he replied: "Fear politicians who today , also in Poland say they have to go to war. War is always the worst solution and the final . Not to mention the fact that today no one will go to war only because someone in Poland will called for this . But the wise policy is that , in order to avoid war , reaching your goals. And those goals will not be achieved today within hours , days, or even months."
Tusk assessed that [building] support for Ukraine and stabilizing the situation probably will be a process. - Do not be surprised that Americans , Germans, Frenchmen , Englishmen are looking together with us for the ways to stop Russia without igniting a global conflict - he noted.
- And thus is it needed today elemental responsibility in the public debate. Anyone who says that "what are these sanctions, it should be tough" must be aware for what s/he calls. Fortunately, in politics there is a space between war and capitulation. It is also seen among Polish politicians that some people are already thinking about the sabre and off you go to Kiev or to Moscow , others are already thinking about surrender. And the space between the two is quite large. And in this area we need today is above all maximally common - Atlantic and European-American - policy and preparation for perhaps a long time confrontation - political and economic confrontation - with Russia - said Tusk.
- But please do not persuade me to go to war and please do not expect Poland would urge anyone to go to war - he added.
Posted by: ProPeace | Mar 27 2014 7:29 utc | 124
I very much appreciate your breaking out of the consented narrative here, although you got the point wrong. A german essayist once said (analogous):
"If elections were meant to change anything they were forbidden".
More precisely put: They will be forbidden, as soon as there is a risk the people could opt out of beeing coopted for the ruling powers.
And you are not quite correct alleging there was only the "yes"-option. Admitted that the option "return to the constitution of 1991 (2?))" wouldn't have changed much, because it would also have left Crimea as an annex to russia, it was an option for protest. So, even if the turnout had been as low as 60% the results would have meant that a vast majority did not object to beeing coopted by those who opposed the "revolution" and the putsch-regime.
And this is what counts in a democracy.
Posted by: Pirouz_2 | Mar 27, 2014 2:58:13 AM | 121
Oh, I have a family that stretches all of Germany. The wall split families. So I grew up in "the West" with "the Western" school system with a cousin in "the East" with the Eastern school system.
And visited my cousin in summer school holidays but he could not visit me.
I also have an uncle who was forced to emigrate to Sweden visiting and relatives who had worked in the Nazi media.
A lot of knowledge in the family how propaganda is made to work :-))
Actually, GDR propaganda was not at a disadvantage per se, as, because of the stupid cold war, they had inherited a lot of the intellectual left.
The person, who is behind the name of this blog, was forced to leave the United States by McCarthy, he then, via Switzerland, tried to get a theater in Munich, which he would have prefered, but ended up in East Berlin, his freedom guaranteed by a neutral Austrian passport.
People are not as one dimensional as propaganda makes them.
Western propaganda could also be stupid for the stupid class, but they did not have to lie about economic fact. They had the better wages.
Posted by: somebody | Mar 27 2014 7:39 utc | 126
Posted by: peter radiator | Mar 26, 2014 11:00:52 PM | 107
Of course, the West presses for austerity. How do they want to get their money back if not?
Posted by: somebody | Mar 27, 2014 2:16:49 AM | 116
You may have missed his point.
The way the west is enforcing these cutbacks one could indeed conclude that chaos and civil war is their aim - given how early on they were pressing for austerity - maybe was intended from the beginning
It is most unusual to start clawing back money before the suckers are reeled in. And chaos seems to be the MO these days.
Posted by: DM | Mar 27 2014 7:43 utc | 127
Putin used the chaos that followed the collapse of the USSR to justify his authoritarian rule. The same game plan is working for the Ukraine now.
Posted by: ralphieboy | Mar 27 2014 7:48 utc | 128
Re 127. Unfortunately though, I have no insights to what's really going on in Ukraine. Neither do most of the commentors here. There used to be someone here who did have a clue.
Posted by: DM | Mar 27 2014 7:50 utc | 129
129) That obviously is the point. :-)) No one has a clue.
What are Ukrainian bond prices doing today?
The way investors get calmed is getting quite funny actually - Sikorski says Ukraine getting closer to deal with IMF.
Of course "Yats" has to go through the moves of an IMF deal.
What his signature is worth is another question. Russia does not recognize the "Kyiv government".
Russia is a member of the IMF
It is down to a "preliminary" accord now according to Bloomberg.
They desperately need this government.
Posted by: somebody | Mar 27 2014 8:24 utc | 130
After talks in Kiev, the IMF said in a statement Thursday that the precise amount would be determined once Ukrainian authorities offered more precision on their needs and it was clear what other aid the country would receive.
Posted by: somebody | Mar 27 2014 8:36 utc | 131
Posted by: ralphieboy | Mar 27, 2014 3:48:07 AM | 128
I don't think there is "intention" in it. It is how things work.
There is a serious rise of right wing movements all over Europe.
And you can applaud Angela Merkel's refusal to integrate the EU further economically as German national interest, you can also make her responsible for this rise. She certainly did not "intend" it.
Integrating further she would have risked German stability, ie the rise of a German right wing.
Basically, she had no good choices.
Posted by: somebody | Mar 27 2014 8:41 utc | 132
And this is what counts in a democracy.
Posted by: TomGard | Mar 27, 2014 3:37:46 AM | 125
not really.
What counts is to be able to discuss things without a gun pointed to your head.
Posted by: somebody | Mar 27 2014 8:44 utc | 133
somebody | Mar 27, 2014 4:44:43 AM | 133
"What counts is to be able to discuss things without a gun pointed to your head."
Thats actually the same thing, put with the perspective of someone, who is proud of his dissenting opinions and contented with having them allowed ...
Haha!
Did you guys see the poll showing americans dont support obama on Ukraine?
Posted by: Anonymous | Mar 27 2014 9:19 utc | 135
more on those disappearing BRICS news - Yes Brazil, Russia, India, China, South Africa
from summer last year - Wolfenson who should know
What role do you see development banks playing in this future?I think they will continue to play a part but I think the influences on them are no longer going to be the G7. I think if you look at the Brics and the economic changes they are experiencing, it is evident they have a very serious claim on leadership. It won't surprise me when they make the leadership of the IMF, the bank and other global institutions.
This will have a positive impact on these institutions: I think it will bring them closer to the countries they are trying to help. I'm hoping this power shift will also attract a lot of young nationals who will see that they have a future in leadership.
Posted by: somebody | Mar 27 2014 9:26 utc | 136
Posted by: TomGard | Mar 27, 2014 4:53:34 AM | 134
:-))
yes, I had also relatives who switched from a Soviet reeducation programme to the US one - you know, those in the Nazi media ...
Posted by: somebody | Mar 27 2014 9:28 utc | 137
Pepe on the Eastern views of US/EU plots against Ukraine. Pass the popcorn please!
http://www.atimes.com/atimes/Central_Asia/CEN-02-270314.html
Posted by: Mina | Mar 27 2014 9:42 utc | 139
139) thanks Mina.
Siemens has been working in Russia for 160 years - in German
:-))
Posted by: somebody | Mar 27 2014 10:27 utc | 140
@biklett I just can't believe that Putin is funding the Koch brothers and the Tea Party, but that's what I've read.
Talk about carrying coals to Newcastle.
The Koch Brothers seem to pop up whenever the Obamabots need to be led around by the nose. I remember all the stories about Greenwald "working for the Koch Bros." as well when the Snowden leaks came out. Being paid with Putins money I guess (yuk yuk).
The Koch Bros. need Putin's "funding" like Saudi Arabia needs an emergency delivery of sand.
Where exactly did you read that? Sounds like a gem.
Posted by: guest77 | Mar 27 2014 11:02 utc | 141
Can anyone tell him that KSA has expelled one million foreign workers in the last six months, that the prisons are not standard, and that, yes, death penalty exists there too and is carried according to the most medieval ways?
http://english.ahram.org.eg/NewsContent/1/64/97650/Egypt/Politics-/Kerry-deeply-troubled-by-Egypt-death-sentences.aspx
Posted by: Mina | Mar 27 2014 11:16 utc | 142
141) funding seems a problem nowadays in the US :-))
more on the IMF and those BRICS - Brazil, Russia, India, China and South Africa - disappearing from the media
The IMF wants to double contributions to its general fund, known as "quotas," to $733 billion to strengthen its capacity to lend to countries in need. The White House has proposed financing the $63 billion increase in the U.S. quota from its 2009 contribution to the IMF's "new arrangements to borrow" fund, which serves as a credit line to countries that present systemic risks to the financial system. The White House wants to shift $63 billion of its $103 billion credit-line for this quota commitment. However, House Republicans are rightly concerned that this ostensibly cost-free accounting shift would raise U.S. exposure while reducing its influence over IMF lending.
Russia has a conservative modernization programme. Potentially they could align with US anti war conservatives. Who would that be?
Posted by: somebody | Mar 27 2014 11:18 utc | 143
@somebody A lot of knowledge in the family how propaganda is made to work :-))
bingo ;)
Posted by: guest77 | Mar 27 2014 11:28 utc | 144
Badhra, echoing Pepe
http://blogs.rediff.com/mkbhadrakumar/2014/03/27/putin-smiles-at-a-german-visitor/
Posted by: Mina | Mar 27 2014 11:30 utc | 145
Sorry, there is no open thread for this, but this is a little related with the Crimea discussion anyway.
I am pissed off with MoA because Mr Pragma has been banned.
I could put up with all sorts of nutters here, because there was a dialogue (until R'Giap got going with his Inglorious Basterds parody) and the banning of Mr Pragma (and his rusty type-writer sidekick).
Anyway, I have come to the conclusion that MoA is well passed it's use-by date.
The only point to it's existence was the Open Bar analogy when Bernhard (along with others) - offered to take over the Whiskey Bar comments.
Now, with the consistent banning program here, the conversation meanders with boring comments from people with not much to say.
I'm sure I can find better ways of wasting my time.
As a parting comment, I will stress the point that someone [no - not him] made regarding Bernhard's personal/political agenda. He most assuredly will not brook discussion regarding Zionism.
Pretty hard to have an adult conversation regarding the state of the world with that restriction.
To show this trend - check out March 9 2013 ( I have copied in a short part of the thread below)
This "deleted and banned - b" episode from last year. I had read the deleted post before it disappeared and I commented then:-
"I recall of the deleted #25 is that there were a couple of links to MSM articles of both UK leaders professing their total loyalty to Zionism. I don't recall any nasty words. So why was it deleted? Whisky Bar my arse!"
So, I'm slamming the door on my way out. Bye.
Mention Zionism - get banned from MoA (March 2013).
"I intend to get into an extended discussion about it"
Evidently I proofread every sentence, but that one.
I didn't intend to get into an extended discussion about it
Posted by: вот так | Mar 9, 2013 2:58:41 AM | 21
@вот так - your conflating of U.S. and Israeli interest as one and of Zionists as some rulers of the world is nonsense. Keep it away from your comments here or go elsewhere.
Posted by: b | Mar 9, 2013 3:44:58 AM | 22
"@вот так - your conflating of U.S. and Israeli interest as one and of Zionists as some rulers of the world is nonsense. Keep it away from your comments here or go elsewhere."
"Agree with me, or go away" - very mature.
Posted by: вот так | Mar 9, 2013 4:03:59 AM | 23
- your conflating of U.S. and Israeli interest as one ...
What planet have you been living on?
Posted by: DM | Mar 9, 2013 6:43:18 AM | 24
deleted and banned - b.
Posted by: yeah . . but | Mar 9, 2013 6:50:43 AM | 25
@ BOT TaK
Do whatever is mandatory on this site to avoid being thrown out and keep on the good job of giving hints and leads. Your comments are pertinent and elaborate and are highly valued by the better part of the visitors.
Posted by: soporta | Mar 9, 2013 8:03:10 AM | 26
soporta
Thank you for those kind words. Very much appreciated.
Posted by: вот так | Mar 9, 2013 2:32:54 PM | 27
Just to note, those who feel safe with the US, even it's seen as allies are under the probability of an invasion.This is not contained to developing or 3rd world, the best example; Canada, was just such a Country and this was in 1935 http://www.glasnost.de/hist/usa/1935invasion.html?goback=%2Egde_3071687_member_221127457
Posted by: Kev | Mar 10, 2013 12:21:41 AM | 28
@ BOT TAK,
According to Israel: A De Facto Member of NATO your assessment of of an interconnection [militarily and perhaps otherwise] between Israel - Europe [NATO] and the US [head of NATO] is a fact, not fiction.
Posted by: Daniel Rich | Mar 10, 2013 4:18:16 AM | 29
@29 Be careful. You might get deleted and banned. I don't keep track of who is pushing what line - but what I recall of the deleted #25 is that there were a couple of links to MSM articles of both UK leaders professing their total loyalty to Zionism. I don't recall any nasty words. So why was it deleted? Whisky Bar my arse!
Posted by: DM | Mar 10, 2013 6:07:50 AM | 30
@ DM [#30],
That's odd, because this is the Haaretz's headline Tory leader calls himself 'Zionist'; U.K. Jews campaign against boycott. Was the person in question disrespectful in any way that you know of?
Posted by: Daniel Rich | Mar 10, 2013 7:11:26 AM | 31
Israel controls US.Why else would we commit suicide for their interests?They own the bully pulpit in which every one of our national pols is subject to the power of the Ziomedia to kill any pol out there who questions their idiocy;Howard Dean,Kucinich,Ron Paul and Pat Buchanan come to mind.Since 1948,and counting.And limiting discussion is a sure fired way of making this site irrelevant,like all the other sites that have gone belly up to Zionism.Sad.Bo Tak is totally correct.
Edward 1 probably owed a lot of dough to the Jews of his day,in financing HIS endless war of hegemony over the French.Probably a main factor in his decision.
Posted by: dahoit | Mar 10, 2013 11:59:13 AM | 32
@ DM [#30],
OMG!
I thought "deleted and banned - b." was 'yeah . . but's' contemporary attempt at being funny. Now I also realize you mention 'UK leaders' [plural] and am confused. Plural = ?
Posted by: Daniel Rich | Mar 10, 2013 4:38:48 PM | 33
Posted by: DM | Mar 27 2014 12:05 utc | 146
Posted by: DM | Mar 27, 2014 8:05:56 AM | 146
open your own blog, put your name to it and do the work.
Posted by: somebody | Mar 27 2014 12:17 utc | 147
Posted by: guest77 | Mar 27, 2014 7:28:07 AM | 144
You are invited to counter. But I warn you - it would be counter-propaganda.
Seriously, what is your proposal to escape subjectivity?
Posted by: somebody | Mar 27 2014 12:19 utc | 148
A lot of knowledge in the family how propaganda is made to work :-))
a surprise to everyone, I'm sure
Posted by: brb | Mar 27 2014 12:48 utc | 149
The Koch Brothers seem to pop up whenever the Obamabots need to be led around by the nose.
yes, all the hypocrites use the Koch Bros as bogey-men de jour, when it suits them.
You, for example . . .
Posted by: brb | Mar 27 2014 12:51 utc | 150
Nick Clegg has gone on the attack following his EU debate with Nigel Farage, accusing the UKIP leader of "siding with Putin" on Ukraine.At the end of their hour-long clash, Mr Farage said the EU had "blood on its hands" for encouraging revolution.
Mr Clegg, speaking on his weekly LBC radio show, said he was "shocked" by the UKIP leader's comments, which he would raise at the pair's next debate.
A YouGov poll for The Sun suggested Mr Farage had won by 57% to 36%.
Mr Farage will get a chance to react to the debate on Friday, when he takes part in an LBC phone-in - and the pair will stage another debate on whether Britain should stay in the EU on 2 April, which will be shown on BBC Two.
Posted by: somebody | Mar 27 2014 12:59 utc | 152
western puppet tymosenko will run for president, just annonced by RT.
Posted by: Anonymous | Mar 27 2014 13:06 utc | 153
Demian @93,
I read somewhere that if the vote would have been held twenty years ago, when Russia was under Yeltsin and a complete mess, the vote would have gone differently.
They did have that vote in 1991, and the results were almost exactly the same as March 16, 2014. Nothing happened, however. The link to that 1991 is somewhere on this site.
Posted by: MRW | Mar 27 2014 13:12 utc | 154
The material in DM, #146 is interesting but it's a year old. You should reasonably allow the possibility that bernhard has changed his views in the meantime, regarding (a) the specific power of the US Israel Lobby; (b) the more diffuse corporate power of Jewry, operating otherwise than under the label 'Zionist'; and (c) the balance of probabilities regarding who or what caused 9/11. My own experience is that one becomes radicalised over the course of a decade or so, simply through viewing the material everyday.
Posted by: Rowan Berkeley | Mar 27 2014 13:38 utc | 155
actual journalism? rare: Jim Maceda @JimMaceda 18h
I travelled 500 miles inside the Russian-UKrainian border today and saw no sign of Russian troops/tanks. Journey continues in the morning. ....Jim Maceda @JimMaceda 16h
@ThereFrank Always on the Russian side. Still combing the border and talking to people. So far no one's seen Russian troops off base.
Posted by: brian | Mar 27 2014 13:40 utc | 156
Jim Maceda @JimMaceda 16h
@ThereFrank Always on the Russian side. Still combing the border and talking to people. So far no one's seen Russian troops off base.
Jim Maceda @JimMaceda 16h
@DerMasmid @500 From practically on the border to 10 or more miles away, much of our journey parallels the border just inside Russia.
Jim Maceda @JimMaceda 16h
@ValeriyDnepr On the Russian side. Kursk, Belgorod. We going all the way to Rostov. So far, no Russian troops or tanks.
Jim Maceda @JimMaceda 16h
@ericatuahene1 On the Russian side where Russian troops are said to be amassing. R they on their bases? Perhaps but how wud that intimidate?
Jim Maceda @JimMaceda 16h
@Pazelya @NBCNews Yes, for long stretches. Terrain is flat with good visibility. Reports said build-up was primed & ready. We're looking.
Jim Maceda @JimMaceda 16h
@TheFourteen14 Just inside Russia along the very long border. If there's intent to invade, you don't see it. Surprising. The search goes on.
Jim Maceda @JimMaceda 17h
We saw lots of combines and farmers selling apples, but if there are 20-25k Russian forces along the border they were hiding in their bases.
Jim Maceda @JimMaceda 17h
We stopped at border checkpoints in areas like Kursk and Belgorod, expecting tension so near to E Ukraine, but all was quiet and normal.
Jim Maceda @JimMaceda 17h
I travelled 500 miles inside the Russian-UKrainian border today and saw no sign of Russian troops/tanks. Journey continues in the morning.
Jim Maceda @JimMaceda Mar 22
After #Crimea, find out why the next post-Soviet conflict cud look more like WW1 than WW3. Check out my videoblog at
http://www.nbcnews.com/storyline/ukraine-crisis/why-ukraine-conflict-could-look-world-war-i-n58776 …
Posted by: brian | Mar 27 2014 13:46 utc | 157
Daniel Sandford @BBCDanielS 2h
The US has quiety suspended issuing export licences to Russia for things like optical sights for firearms http://tradelawnews.blogspot.co.uk/2014/03/us-suspends-processing-of-export-and.html …
Posted by: brian | Mar 27 2014 13:55 utc | 158
PISM @PISM_Poland 4h
#IMF has agreed $14-18bln bailout for #Ukraine – clearing the way for more aid from #USA, #EU, #Japan and others
the servants are being asked to cough up money for the neonazis
Posted by: brian | Mar 27 2014 13:57 utc | 159
somebody | Mar 26, 2014 11:34:10 AM | 23
This would be a tough sell in Germany. Polls say that a majority of Germans do not want Ukraine in the EU.
Hmmm... I don't think the Germans want anybody else in the EU apart perhaps from the French.
Posted by: William Bowles | Mar 27 2014 14:00 utc | 160
154 MRW
There was no vote on joining the Russian Federation, there was a vote on an "autonomous region within the USSR" in 1991 and when the Soviet Union dissolved there was a vote on joining Ukraine - which was then more stable, with following results according to Wikipedia
With the collapse of the Soviet Union, Crimea became part of the newly independent Ukraine. Independence was supported by a referendum in all regions of Ukrainian SSR, including Crimea.[19] 54% of the Crimean voters supported independence with a 60% turnout (in Sevastopol 57% supported independence).[20] The percentage of the total Crimean electorate that had voted for Ukrainian independence in the referendum was 37%.[21] In 1994, the legal status of Crimea as part of Ukraine was backed up by Russia, who pledged to uphold the territorial integrity of Ukraine in a memorandum signed in 1994, also signed by the US and UK.[22][23]
Posted by: somebody | Mar 27 2014 14:02 utc | 161
Posted by: brian | Mar 27, 2014 9:40:33 AM | 156
brian, how do you know this is not propaganda, too. I am curious. Do you know the guy, can you vouch for him?
Posted by: somebody | Mar 27 2014 14:04 utc | 162
O'Bomber will be in KSA tomorrow, I'm sure he'll say something against the unfair trials in Egypt.
And ....... hehe....http://english.ahram.org.eg/NewsContent/2/9/97685/World/International/Russia-to-create-its-own-national-payment-system-P.aspx
Posted by: Mina | Mar 27 2014 14:05 utc | 163
26th March, Ukrainian media have reported on the successful capture of navigation station "Mars -75 ", which had been rented the Russian Black Sea Fleet.
But locals there say that for 2 months no civilian employees of Russia nor the military have been there. It was run by only a few locals. It is located in the town of Henichesk in the Kherson region. Russia has long since found an alternative to this outdated navigation station.
The old wooden fence and gate of the station openly show the uselessness of this captured objective. Those grabbing this useless place can only be some fascist junta troops. Their American jeeps , NATO weapons and uniforms are another sign that these troops of the fascist junta do not serve the people of Ukraine.
Video
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bLM2U4FwnxE#t=23
Posted by: brian | Mar 27 2014 14:16 utc | 164
Posted by: brian | Mar 27 2014 14:21 utc | 165
more popcorn
Yanukovich may give press conference tomorrow in Rostov
the unthinkable - may announce running for the election - the unthinkable - what if he wins free and fair elections - again?
About 20% of voters either do not know for who to vote, or will not go to the polls. Some 9.7% are ready to vote "against all" candidates.
Posted by: somebody | Mar 27 2014 14:37 utc | 166
it would be nice to learn, if Mr. P is banned, where his posts may be found now or, better yet, the url of his own blog if he does open one
Posted by: Cu Chulainn | Mar 27 2014 14:40 utc | 167
Charles Shoebridge @ShoebridgeC 17h
Barely reported in West, new #Ukraine govt allegedly intimidating, sacking constitutional court judges
http://rt.com/op-edge/ukraine-constitutional-court-legal-vacuum-117/ … ht @mbangash14
finessing the law!
Posted by: brian | Mar 27 2014 14:53 utc | 168
more unthinkables - popcorn -
Der Spiegel compares the occupation of Crimea to the occupation of Palestine
Posted by: somebody | Mar 27 2014 14:53 utc | 169
Wait, Pragma was banned? He was just on here like 2 days ago. Isnt that just hearsay?
Posted by: Massinissa | Mar 27 2014 15:00 utc | 170
@153 - rowan berkeley. what i can't understand is why these same folks don't just go elsewhere if they're so unhappy here. it is beyond me how anyone watching that last soap opera could find it rewarding or wish that it continued.
@163 - mina - thanks for that..
Posted by: james | Mar 27 2014 15:18 utc | 171
"more unthinkables - popcorn -
Der Spiegel compares the occupation of Crimea to the occupation of Palestine"
Why, that's cute. The today UN Assembly resolution would be as valuable as res. 242. The RF and the Crimeans would comfortably live with it.
Tom Guard
Never mind found the pathetic western/ukrainian resolution.
http://rt.com/news/ukraine-russia-crimea-resolution-609/
where were UN when yanukovich were overthrowed?
Posted by: Anonymous | Mar 27 2014 16:11 utc | 174
Any chance that Putin's response to the Ukraine and Crimea has anything to do with the Olympic corruption scandal? What do you all think?
Posted by: Mark | Mar 27 2014 16:29 utc | 175
174) BRICS voted no - Brazil, Russia, India, China, South Africa
Posted by: somebody | Mar 27 2014 16:36 utc | 176
Mark
Was there a corruption scandal more than in western media?
Posted by: Anonymous | Mar 27 2014 16:41 utc | 177
somebody
Good for them!
Resolution is a win for the US, EU ukrainian regime but will be forgotten in 2-3 days.
Meanwhile crimea is getting more and more independent from ukraine. US, EU are so slow.
Posted by: Anonymous | Mar 27 2014 16:43 utc | 178
somebody
Actually BRIC didnt vote no, see the link you posted.
Posted by: Anonymous | Mar 27 2014 16:45 utc | 179
Posted by: Anonymous | Mar 27, 2014 12:45:36 PM | 179
you are correct, they abstained, I misinterpreted the sign
Posted by: somebody | Mar 27 2014 16:49 utc | 180
"Yats" does not have the votes for his austerity bill.
More popcorn, please.
Posted by: somebody | Mar 27 2014 18:24 utc | 181
"Steve,
The Gazprom website is an amazing source of information, discovered by accident, from which I was able to glean the following and a ton of additional information. According to the Company, when Putin visits Beijing in May he’ll sign the famous $1 trillion gas deal to supply China’s CNPC with 3.75 billion cubic feet of gas a day for 30 years, starting in 2018. China’s current daily gas demand is around 16 billion cubic feet. Of course Gazprom collects most of its profits from Europe but Asia is its future. It seems the Company plans to use this mega-deal to boost investment in eastern Siberia which will be the hub for gas shipments to Japan and South Korea — and the reason why Asia won’t “isolate” Russia. (See Asia will not ‘isolate’ Russia, Asia Times Online, March 25, 2014.) On top of all this, there remains the possibility Russia and China will agree payment for the Gazprom-CNPC deal in yuan (or rubles), the dawn of a basket of currencies becoming a new international reserve currency. This is certainly a key BRICS objective: which could be the beginning of the end for petro-dollars. Be interesting to see!
Doug"
Posted by: Dave Ranning | Mar 27 2014 18:48 utc | 182
The Right Sektor is just storming the parliament in Kiev. They demand the head of the interior minister who's troops killed their comrade. Live video here
b
haha what a fcking mess, obama, merkel, ashton happy now?
Posted by: Anonymous | Mar 27 2014 19:16 utc | 186
it is very simple, for me
b has a correct analysis in this issue as he does on many others
where there is disagreement - it is well within the scope of the long history of the site. far from isolating b, i know there are others who welcome clarity rather than bilge
while the comments can provide a rich tapestry of links & knowledge, if b found it necessary to discontinue comments, i would still visit regularly for his work, which for the exception of people like pepe escobar & few others, who often depend on b, it rmains as it was over a decade ago, exceptional
Posted by: remembererringgiap | Mar 27 2014 19:22 utc | 187
remembererringgiap
Why does everyone talking about pepe escobar? Hes a clown, he dont know anything and he can hardly speak english (I dont say that I do) but I dont see why many like him.
No asskissing but b should have more views than that escobar.
Posted by: Anonymous | Mar 27 2014 19:31 utc | 188
Pepe is very good at unmistakably implying that 9/11 was faked, without actually saying it was. People generally have become freer in saying that Saudi runs AQ, and perhaps that makes it easier, because they imagine that Saudi can therefore be blamed for 9/11, though Pepe is certainly aware of all the stuff that suggests it was an inside job, on the US side.
Posted by: Rowan Berkeley | Mar 27 2014 19:51 utc | 189
still suggest that the right sektor killed their own
Posted by: remembererringgiap | Mar 27 2014 20:07 utc | 190
r'giap@190
I think there are 3 possibilities on who killed the 'comrade'. First on my list is Western Intelligence, second is right sector with encouragement from Western Intelligence, and third is Ukraine special ops/police, with encouragement from Western Intelligence. That guy was all over youtube, twitter, etc, and giving the coup govt a very bad image.
Posted by: okie farmer | Mar 27 2014 20:43 utc | 191
given the théâtre tonight - i will with the second - they want the power & the money the empire has lied it will give to them & since right sektor are inheritors of their galician grandfathers they know a bit about banditry
Posted by: remembererringgiap | Mar 27 2014 21:50 utc | 192
@183
the links doesn't work (may be due to my "adblock" settings). Anyone got some more info on that somewhere? Can't really find much about it.
Posted by: peter radiator | Mar 28 2014 0:10 utc | 193
@b The Right Sektor is just storming the parliament in Kiev.
This is excellent news and points to a real split within the puppet regime. I think Tymoshenko perhaps thought that this was just another round in the decades old battle of the Ukrainian oligarchs and that she was just - by getting the neo-Nazis involved - bringing out the big guns, so to speak. But she may now discover that by taking things to the "next level" she may be in deep shit.
What I think is interesting is Svoboda's position. They were obviously elevated to a higher position than Right Sektor. Oleh Tyahnybok was on stage with McCain and Yats - Yarosh was not, am I right? That they are in the position of having to take on Right Sektor is very interesting. The question is wether they'll be strong enough to do so.
It would be interesting to know the ideological differences between Svoboda and Right Sektor. Possibly the difference between the Klan and WAR - a sort of racist party that is religion-based and steeped in traditional values vs. racist party that is non-religious. The other question would be wether there is there any chance that they could get together and take out the oligarchs altogether...
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@somebody - subjectivity is not a problem. I'm just pointing out that somebodies are more subjective than other bodies. Don't take it personally. You post a lot, and all of it is interesting. I've just noticed numerous times that it is important to click through your links to double check your characterizations - as Anonymous discovered in @179
As for this, am I reading it wrong?
Independence was supported by a referendum in all regions of Ukrainian SSR, including Crimea.[19] 54% of the Crimean voters supported independence with a 60% turnout (in Sevastopol 57% supported independence).[20] The percentage of the total Crimean electorate that had voted for Ukrainian independence in the referendum was 37%.
It seems that the Crimea voted for independence but did not get it, meanwhile they certainly themselves voted to remain within the Soviet Union (or with Russia presumably) but didn't get that either. Clearly this was trouble waiting to happen. The break up of the Soviet Union was remarkable for its lack of violence (Chechnya being a glaring exception). But in that very positive development, many issues were left, perhaps, in limbo. But they'll have to be dealt with eventually. And that this one has - without a shot fired so far - is to the credit of all involved.
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@DM - You can read BotTak at the Saker, daily. I don't think he was part of the recent house cleaning at that site.
From the Saker:
I am categorically opposed to Zionism and to the existence of the racist entity which calls itself the "Jewish State of Israel". I know that rabbinical phariseism (which calls itself "Judaism") is nothing more than an hateful anti-Christianity. And I have no problems criticizing (or praising!) those who call themselves "Jews" even though I also know that there is no such thing as a "Jewish race". However, and unlike you, I do not believe that Jews are the root cause of all evils on the planet, nor do I believe that Jews are in any way different from any other human being. I reject racism as counter-scientific and as a grievous pagan heresy. While I welcome, and even encourage, an intelligent discussion about Zionism, Judaism or Jews, I am sick and tired of those obsessive-compulsive maniacs who always and only speak of these topics.
It seems to me that b has a similar policy. Especially when specious accusations start flying thread after thread after thread. I'm sad Mr. Pragma is gone, he was endlessly outrageous (I think he thought it was funny) but he was very knowledgable and his perspective reduced American exceptionalism to rubble. Especially in regards to US military power.
Of course could always flout the ban, but he's not a disrespectful lowlife. He seems to have self-respect and isn't the kind of pathetic fucking louse that would do such a thing.
Posted by: guest77 | Mar 28 2014 2:29 utc | 194
@194 I do not want to suggest that Mr. Pragma was at all the "obsessive-compulsive maniacs who always and only speak of these topics." He was not at all. I was referring more to DMs post as an explanation for that ban.
Posted by: guest77 | Mar 28 2014 2:33 utc | 195
http://www.boilingfrogspost.com/2014/03/25/shocking-videos-here-is-ukraine-since-the-nato-coup/
Videos from the Ukraine
Posted by: Willy2 | Mar 28 2014 2:55 utc | 196
Kiev warns EU that transit of Russian gas via Ukraine territory may stopHow is that supposed to work? The Ukrainian putschists are suggesting they will stop the transit of Russian gas to Western Europe, and when as a result the EU has lost 30% of its gas supply, it is supposed to to supply the Ukraine with gas?KIEV, March 28 /ITAR-TASS/. A warning came to the European Union that transit of Russian natural gas to the EU via Ukrainian territory may stop. This warning is made in a letter Yuri Prodan, appointed by the Supreme Rada as minister of energy and coal industry of Ukraine, addressed to EU Energy Commissioner Guenter Oettinger, the press service of the Ministry of Energy and Coal Industry reports.
“We must say there is not much time for arranging for natural gas deliveries from EU countries to Ukraine. Unless this problem is resolved promptly, one may forecast the repetition of the ‘gas war’ of 2009 with the same scenario and with the same economics consequences and even with complete stoppage of gas deliveries to the West,” Prodan’s letter says.
The minister noted that the most pessimistic forecasts about the price of Russian natural gas had been proved in the recent days. Prodan stated it had already become known that since April 2014 there would be no discount specified in the Kharkov accords in the price of Russian gas for Ukraine.
In this connection the minister reminded to the European side about its stated intention to support Ukraine with gas supplies if Russia decreases or stops gas deliveries to Ukraine or raises the gas price considerably. [...]
Those suckers owe close to $2 billion in unpaid gas bills to Russia, that's 11% of the proposed $18 billion IMF bail out gone to just pay old gas bills, and are now threatening Russia and Europe with cutting off the transit lines. One hell of a way to make friends.
Given enough time and there won't be the gas supply for Ukrainian kitchens to cook the pop corn.
Posted by: Juan Moment | Mar 28 2014 4:14 utc | 197
Posted by: guest77 | Mar 27, 2014 10:29:01 PM | 194
I am sometimes clearly wrong and admit it gladly but not in the case you quote here
Independence was supported by a referendum in all regions of Ukrainian SSR, including Crimea.[19] 54% of the Crimean voters supported independence with a 60% turnout (in Sevastopol 57% supported independence).[20] The percentage of the total Crimean electorate that had voted for Ukrainian independence in the referendum was 37%.
It was the 1991 vote when Ukraine was part of the Soviet Union, and Crimea voted with Ukraine on independence from the Soviet Union and they got it.
Posted by: somebody | Mar 28 2014 6:25 utc | 198
Looks like Nazi Coup Mk. 2 in the Ukraine fizzled. A couple of thousand hominids vented, soiled themselves over Klitsckho's biceps and then went back to watching their snuff videos and drinking their imported American vodka till they passed out. They're supposed to renew the revolution at 9 am Friday Ukraine time, but...
Posted by: guest77 | Mar 27, 2014 10:29:01 PM | 194
"This is excellent news and points to a real split within the puppet regime. I think Tymoshenko perhaps thought that this was just another round in the decades old battle of the Ukrainian oligarchs and that she was just - by getting the neo-Nazis involved - bringing out the big guns, so to speak. But she may now discover that by taking things to the "next level" she may be in deep shit."
Tymoshenko behind the nazis? Are you serious? Who ever hands you your "talking points" is not interested in enhancing your credibility as a comment writer on this site. :)
Tymoshenko no longer has much of a following in the Ukraine, her lackluster "reception" at Maidan underscore that. Among the nazis, her support is zilch. They even took to ridiculing her hypochondria after her Maidan "performance". Her support is mainly among the western polygarchy, who want to push her as a moderate. Or was, since her leaked phone conversation. Germany has now dropped her, which means the EU has also. Obama may still want her, but likely only to make Michelle and Rahm jealous...
Posted by: scalawag | Mar 28 2014 6:33 utc | 199
More popcorn
German Social Democrats contradict Merkel - their coalition partner
No alternative to Russian gas import - FAZ - in German
Social Democrats represent business now, Merkel US neocons ...
Now it is Merkel and the Green Party against Social Democrats, Die Linke and a new Anti European Party with good chances in elections for the European Parliament.
I wonder what Merkel's own party thinks.
Posted by: somebody | Mar 28 2014 8:48 utc | 200
The comments to this entry are closed.
Then, later, regarding Right Sektor leader Yarosh:
Barf. Is the author in love or something? Yeah, it's hard to argue when a raging fascist tells you how much they love multi-culturalism. Probably because of the baseball bat he's carrying.
Posted by: guest77 | Mar 27 2014 2:17 utc | 101