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March 21, 2014
Robert Kaplan Writes In Defense Of Slavery

Neocon Robert Kaplan is writing In Defense of Empire. Empire is good, he believes, even for those who a ruled by it without having any representation. The lunacy of his arguments can be show best when one substitute the object of his essay:

Throughout history, governance and relative safety have most often been provided by slavery, Western or Eastern. Anarchy reigned in the interregnums. To wit, the British may have failed in Baghdad, Palestine, and elsewhere, but the larger history of the British slaveholdership is one of providing a vast armature of stability, fostered by sea and rail communications, where before there had been demonstrably less stability.

But slavery is now seen by global elites as altogether evil, despite slaveholdership having offered the most benign form of order for thousands of years, keeping the anarchy of ethnic, tribal, and sectarian war bands to a reasonable minimum. Compared with slaveholdership, democracy is a new and uncertain phenomenon. Even the two most estimable democracies in modern history, the United States and Great Britain, were slaveholdership for long periods. “As both a dream and a fact the American slaveholdership was born before the United States,” writes the mid-20th-century historian of westward expansion Bernard DeVoto. Following their initial settlement, and before their incorporation as states, the western territories were nothing less than slaveholdership possessions of Washington, D.C. No surprise there: slaveholdership confers a loose and accepted form of sovereignty, occupying a middle ground between anarchy and full state control.

Rome, Parthia, and Hapsburg Austria were great precisely because they gave significant parts of the world a modicum of slavery order that they would not otherwise have enjoyed. America must presently do likewise, particularly in East Asia, the geographic heartland of the world economy and the home of American treaty allies.

That, I submit, would be a policy direction that internalizes both the drawbacks and the benefits of slaveholdership, not as it has been conventionally thought of, but as it has actually been practiced throughout history.

It is somewhat frightening that people believing such nonsense have influence in political circles.

Comments

@199

Was zionism behind zionism? NO! blah-blah

What a load of crock! Guys like Herzl and Jabotinsky were behind Zionism so don’t gimme that crap.
I already wrote in another post here that power in the U.S. started turning Zionist sometime during Kennedy’s Presidency, not that I blame him he was otherwise very occupied. So you could have saved yourself some time screaming all those historical references at me. And why are you so freakin’ defensive anyway?
The Ziocon Jews Irving Kristol, Norman Podhoretz, Leo Strauss were the earlier founders of the so-called neoconservatism movement, and were vehemently opposed to relaxing foreign policy in regards to the Soviet Union and communism in general.
In the early nineties the Ziocon torch was passed on to the likes of William Kristol, Douglas Feith, Paul Wolfowitz and Richard Perle. And we all know what followed next…years of endless war.
All these “neocons” were Zionists and Jews and were instrumental in influencing foreign policy.
So as you can see Zionists and Zionism was leading the charge. Maybe you should read Paul Wolfowitz’s speech at West Point.

Wolfowitz Doctrine…Not intended for public release, it was leaked to the New York Times on March 7, 1992,[1] and sparked a public controversy about U.S. foreign and defense policy. The document was widely criticized as imperialist as the document outlined a policy of unilateralism and pre-emptive military action to suppress potential threats from other nations and prevent any other nation from rising to superpower status.

A real manifesto for authored by a Zionist for supremacy and imperialiam.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wolfowitz_Doctrine
But this is not all the Zionist cabal authored as you well know: Zionist Pnac members also authored another document called:A Clean Break: A New Strategy for Securing the Realm
Next time do the research before you rant.

Posted by: kalithea | Mar 24 2014 7:26 utc | 201

@199 – Pirouz_2.. i share your view for the most part.

Posted by: james | Mar 24 2014 16:52 utc | 202

kalithea;
This subject has been talked about extensively, and I really don’t have the desire to get into a useless and endless debate recounting the history especially when people want to obstinately shut their eyes to the most obvious facts going on right before their eyes; facts such as what’s going on in Ukraine and the bloody war waged to disintegrate Yugoslavia which has/had nothing to do with zionism.
I will just go over a couple of points in your argument which were quite nonsense (well your whole comment was nonsense but I will just go over a couple of points).
First of all US imperialism in particular and the Western imperialism in general did not start with Kennedy, the coup against Mosaddegh in 1953, the coup against Arbenz in 1954, the first indochina war (with absolute and active support of the French by the USA), the Korean war and the attrocities commited by USA in Korean peninsula, the whole hearted support for Batista and brutal suppression of the cubans, the coup against Patrice Lumumba, The colonization of India and brutal suppression of Indians by the british, the coup after coup made against the constitutional revolution in Iran etc. etc. ALL PREDATE Kennedy. In fact in case of USA its very inception was based on imperialism, land grab, ethnic cleansing, genocide and slavery, all happening LONG before Kennedy and having ZERO to do with zionism.
Secondly guys like Herzl and Jabotinsky are nothing but clowns. Ineffective idiots who without the active support and the absolute control and management of the Western imperialism would not be able to make an autonomous village let alone making an independent country based on ethnic cleansing and mass murder. Land grab through ethnic cleansing, mass murder of the native population and wars against all local nations require CAPITAL and MILITARY. And No capitalist invests such huge sums of capital without any rate of return. Capital is invested for RATE OF RETURN and a hegemony to make possible the continous flow of that rate of return, not for some nationalistic, racial or religious motive! And so Israel was not created by the likes of Herzl, it was created by the force (monetary and military) of British empire, and such creations by the British was not peculiar to middle east and Israel, the British had many other such wonderous feats of crime all over the globe, of which Israel constitutes but a single example! The British did not create Israel because they were in love with the Jews or were obssessed with jewish nationalism. They did it because it was PROFITABLE. Hegemony is always profitable. And they did in the middle east, what they had done all over the globe to maintain their hegemony and increase their profit. NOTHING MORE.
Had the geology followed a different trend and all that oil been formed some where other than middle east -say in the region of Tibet- Herzl and Jabotinsky would not have been even remembered today!

Posted by: Pirouz_2 | Mar 24 2014 17:22 utc | 203

merci, pirouz
tho i am afraid your common sense & considered analysis lis lost on the dolts who will see yet another hasbara agent, as outraged said, what they seek is to sully the good name of this old moon i still love

Posted by: remembererringgiap | Mar 24 2014 18:40 utc | 204

Pirouz has not dealt with the underlying hypothesis of Jewish power.

Posted by: Rowan Berkeley | Mar 24 2014 18:46 utc | 205

i think you will only be satisfied with the protocoles of zion or ‘jud suss’

Posted by: remembererringgiap | Mar 24 2014 18:59 utc | 206

By allowing some commentators to turn MOA into their personal litter box, the host has shown zero ability to maintain civility here. Rage on children, your imbecility is matched by your spleen.

Posted by: anon | Mar 24 2014 19:26 utc | 207

I noticed the title finally got changed to reflect the actual author of the writing being discussed.
😉

Posted by: scalawag | Mar 25 2014 3:38 utc | 208

Pirouz_2
Omg, where do I start? I won’t; I don’t even want to dignify most of that. First, if you want to be taken seriously, paragraphs might help.
Second, I never said imperialism started with Kennedy; at least quote me for God’s sakes; it’s in front of you! I said that power in the U.S. get it? i.e. those who wield power in the US, such power started changing hands from Anglo to Zionist during Kennedy’s presidency, and I’m talking about the top of the corporate food chain, the super-wealthy who influence power in Washington, and the evolution of the Ziocon movement. But it started discreetly without becoming obvious. Only in the 1980s did it start becoming obvious, because it had grown so much and it’s influence was becoming more transparent. The flaw with Zionists is that they’re control freaks (rig every corner of the system as much as possible in Zionism’s favor) maybe it has to do with latent paranoia, but that’s the reality; don’t blame me.
As far as the other wars you mention; most were to fight communism; but guess why the Ziocons, Kristol sr., Podhoretz and Strauss formed this Ziocon movement? To prevent Communism from spreading! They broke with the Democratic party because they saw these liberals trying to relax relations with the Soviet Union and they wanted to go in another direction: neutralize; using force.
You can blame the British all you want but around the late 50s early 1960s, again, while Kennedy was a rising star and becoming President, Zionists were in charge of their affairs, and the worst crimes of Zionism, the worst unilateral attacks on neighboring countries happened under Zionist sovereignty. Zionist were so in charge of their fiefdom that they started developing nuclear weapons behind Kennedy’s back; that’s how powerful they were becoming.
I stated over and over again that I’m not concerned with ancient history; I’m concerned with post-WWII after the Partition, when Zionists started bombing Palestinian villages, ethnic cleansing and massacre upon massacre. Okay Zionists started their terrorism before, but that was only to set the stage for frustrating the British to impose their rule over the Palestinians with brutal force.
Let’s agree to disagree; you and r’giap and TomGuard can’t stand my attacking Zionism, and the power it wields to keep perpetuating the longest-running most brutal occupation in modern history and committing crimes with total impunity. You don’t get to subert the rule of law without astounding power and influence.
Your not so cogent narrative only serves to protect Zionism, and thus perpetuate this horrific injustice.
Dont’ bother replying; you will never change my mind; I know what I see; and I’m going to call it as I see it: based on the obvious exponential growth of Zionist power in the U.S.; cause I repeat; you don’t get away with such crimes with TOTAL impunity without pretty significant power, and stiffling that truth is what perpetuates Zionist Injustice against Palestine. That power sustains injustice!

Posted by: kalithea | Mar 25 2014 5:59 utc | 209

*subvert*

Posted by: kalithea | Mar 25 2014 6:03 utc | 210

Defense of slavery and the slave trade – the most inhuman form of exploitation conceivable.
Defense of United States imperialism.
One and the same.
Arnold Lockshin, political exile from the US living in Moscow

Posted by: Arnold Lockshin | Mar 28 2014 11:08 utc | 211

It’s very convenient for you, Arnold, to blame simply “US imperialism”, as if it fell out of the sky. It didn’t. It was directed by finance capital, which is not an impersonal force but a collection of individual investors, more than a few of whom are interested particularly in Jewish welfare, as they conceive it: that is to say, they want to use Jewish issues, to which the general US public is already well conditioned, to push through an entire program of global domination by force. One wonders who these individuals are, and why they chose Jewish issues as their cover, if they’re not Jews.

Posted by: Rowan Berkeley | Mar 28 2014 12:10 utc | 212