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March 11, 2014

March 11 Update On Ukraine

The Crimean parliament has voted for Crimea to to become a state within the Russian Federation.

There was an attempt by "activists" from the "Automaidan" protests, which had earlier blocked streets in Kiev, to enter Crimea. The were taken into custody and later released and send back.

Violent fascist radicals from the Right Sector are arriving in Ukranian areas with Russian affiliated populations likely to enforce their point of view. The sympathetic to them NYT account:

With the city in play, street fighters from Independence Square in Kiev have arrived by bus in Odessa. Their eyes deep from the violence they had just seen, attired in body armor, they draw apprehensive stares, but their presence has also allowed supporters of the interim government to feel safe enough to stage several large rallies.

One wonders how they make their supporters to "feel safe" ...

A few days ago the coup government in Kiev had called for a mobilization of the military reserve. That failed. Obviously no one showed up. The coup government has now called to form a "National Guard" of volunteers. With all security and defense related top-jobs now in the hand of the fascists one can easily imagine who will be allowed to join. All Right Sector members have already gone through some (para-)military training as it is a condition for membership. They will revive memories about the 14th SS-Volunteer Division "Galician" which often used in anti-partisan action, i.e. to suppress local dissent:

The acting defence minister said Ukraine had not been prepared for military confrontation with Russia. Having mobilized its forces, he said the country had only 6,000 combat-ready infantry out of a nominal infantry force of 41,000 -compared to over 200,000 Russian troops on its eastern borders.
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The National Guard, based on existing Interior Ministry forces, would "defend citizens from criminals and from internal or external aggression".

A partial mobilization would begin of volunteers drawn from those with previous military experience, he said.

The U.S. puppets in Kiev called for military intervention by the "west":

Parliament passed a resolution calling on the United States and Britain, co-signatories with Russia of that treaty to "fulfill their obligations ... and take all possible diplomatic, political, economic and military measures urgently to end the aggression and preserve the independence, sovereignty and existing borders of Ukraine".

I do not yet believe that anyone is the "west" is willing to follow up on such an invitation.

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@72

Yes, for the elite, their bourgeois war criminal minions, the Zionist supremacists etc, left and right - in the US, red vs. blue vs green - are just costumes that they have to wear from time to time to continue to f*ck everyone else over who are not in their club. I'm sure it makes from some HEEELARIOUSS stories at Davos.

Remember that time you were a Trotskyite!! Har har, pass the under-age sex slave, please....

BUT, everyone else who are NOT in the elite echelons should remember that left versus right DO INDEED theoretically - I say theoretically b/c as a society the US, for example, is so far gone down the brainwashed wormhole that I don't know if it can be corrected at this point - represent different realities for their lives and the elite know this as they've been very determinedly relentless and successful at crushing/undermining/destroying anything resembling a real left in the US and most of the West.

To clarify one point on what I said earlier, in the US people don't even know what "socialism" means anymore and so when I said that people who criticize capitalist scum and are called "socialists" what I should have said was "socialist" translated from Americanese really means "Joseph Pol Stalin Pot I'm Gonna Kill 600 Million People Comrade Abortion!!!!!" or thereabouts.

Posted by: JSorrentine | Mar 12 2014 18:16 utc | 101

99
I'm sure it's easy as pie, I don't know why you are telling me about it.

Posted by: brb | Mar 12 2014 18:17 utc | 102

Rowan Berkeley

Nope, they will fail if they dare that. Expect Crimea to make protective laws very similar to Russias (ngos must declare source of income, etc.)

@all

I will try to make this short. But it's about time someone puts down the basic line behind all of that.

zusa is broken. Financially, economically, socially, and militarily. Now, one must understand the guiding principle behind modern zusa.
It's about show, image, PR; and it's driven by greed and angst (and such easily recognizable as zionistic).

The implementation, the decisive line in their doctrine is that there must no be, under no matter what circumstances, any power capable to
stand against zusa dominance (as those dumbheads call it). That's the driving force behind pretty all zusa foreign policy (which again is
very closely related to the pentagon).

The problem with Russia and China (and even Iran) is that zusa can't act militarily. Why? Because zusa was and is a big time coward. They never
(since WW II) started a war unless they were thinking (sometimes very wrongly) that it would be easy and they woud be vastly superior anyway.
It's in their blood. It's the only way they know.
An example: If in any normal country 2 drunken guys rob a gas station 1 or two police cars are sent. Not so n zusa; they send 10. Same "logic":
ALWAYS attack massively and in massive numbers, preferably > 10:1.
That very same modus operandi - and the ONLY one imaginable to them - is seen in military operations.
1) use cruise missiles to destroy anything that might be remotely dangerous. And use plenty of missiles.
2) Enter the such created "secure zone" with air forces and destroy. Use plenty of bombs and missiles.
3) Only when the opponent is utterly destroyed, go in with boots on the ground. Massively again, of course.
4) repeat step 2 but this time on ground. Kill and destroy. Use plenty ammo. Kill even kids. And, being at it, kill kids grandma, too.

2 major factors, again and again: a) compensate cowardness by brutality, gross violations of international law and brutality again (just to be sure);
b) whatever you do, do it massively. Have and use more of everything, destroy plenty and dump plenty bullets and bombs in/on everything.

Problem: This doesn't work with strong countries like Russia or Iran. Even worse, Russia is militarily clearly superior both in quality of troups and in
weapon systems.

So, zusa had to and did find a way to weaken those countries. By relentless sanctions, by criminal and terror acts, by *anything* no matter how illegal,
dirty or low.

Understanding this helps a lot in guessing zusas plans, options, and actions.
zusa will *not* risk any mil. engagement. They are plain and simple too weak and to coward. Also their usual plan B, instigating revolution, sponsoring
attacks on the political, economical, financial, and social fabric of an opponent didn't work out with Russia.
So, zusa had to weaken Russias neighbours and friends. That's exactly what they did in ukraine. And they did it the way they did it because even risking
a war next to Russia was an inacceptable risk for the zusa cowards. So they used plan B which had already worked one. And they even re-used some of the
then players.

But there's a but: zusa can only do what and as it does if they control many countries and international bodies.

Which leads to what Russia will do. First Russia will ruin zusas ukraine plans and even enhance their mil. position there; at least in Crimea/Sevastopol
and quite probably in some other regions, too. Second, Russia will go or threaten to go against zusas closest allies. Third, Russia will clean their near
abroad (they already began, e.g. Manas base but also, more constructively, by creating alternatives like BRICS). Forth, Russia will clean - or, if needed
attack - "international" organizations like osce which are clearly biased towarad or controlled by zusa.
And during all that time zusa gets weaker and weaker anyway by itself and succeeds less and less in keeping its PR and image projection working.

Guess who will win. haha.


Ceterum censeo israel americanamque vehementer delenda esse!

Posted by: Mr. Pragma | Mar 12 2014 18:37 utc | 103

Then ZATO can say they feel morally compelled to send in an occupation force of "peacekeepers", without the small formality of a unanimous UNSC vote authorising it.

Posted by: Rowan Berkeley | Mar 12, 2014 1:58:42 PM | 97

the chances of ZATO actually putting boots-on-the-ground in Ukraine are essentially zero and everyone knows it, which is why the Russians have not panicked and done anything stupid - there's a treaty covering this exact scenario - both Russia and ZATO have pledged to "Respect integrity of Ukrainian borders" - this is also why Russia most likely won't put boots on the ground outside Crimea, no matter what happens in the rest of Ukraine (short of a ZATO invasion, which ain't gonna happen)

Because If ZATO does it so to can Russia, anywhere in Ukraine it feels like it, and vice versa

ZATO does not want a direct confrontation on the ground with Russia, certainly not yet anyway- they might look crazy, but that's just acting

They're not actually that crazy - it's "Walk loudly and carry a big stick", and in doing so create as many problems for Russia as possible, short of outright direct Mil-to-Mil confrontation,

That treaty was originally designed to placate Russian fears regarding Ukraine's future

It is a sign of Western Duplicity that they have actually managed to use the treaty against Russia in this instance - Russia cannot go in with Military, out side of Crimea, even if they wanted to.

Well, the can, but it would be very unwise to do so, as it would make the situation very very volatile indeed, - and so far the Russians just don't look that stupid

Posted by: brb | Mar 12 2014 18:40 utc | 104

That entire VICE video looked staged to me. Particularly when the so-called Burkut officer asked the cameraman for his id, the reporter interfered, creating a dustup that wasn't called for. The officer had just before calmly given the reporter his id back, then suddenly, blooey. And the officer didn't say 'I'll shoot to kill', that just appeared on the screen! Does someone else have a different take?

Posted by: okie farmer | Mar 12 2014 19:00 utc | 105

#101 Was there ever a real Left in the US -- or just various groups (workers, minorities, Stalinists, Trotskyites, etc.) struggling against the status quo until they achieved it, found a different cause or got interested in something else. Sometimes they'd work together, but mostly not.

Posted by: Nora | Mar 12 2014 19:01 utc | 106

OK, then, how about ZATO do their rentamob thing in Crimea, create lots of false flag incidents to make it seem that Russians are trying to kill Tatars, for instance, then the new puppet phony West Ukrainian govt sends in its troops, in the spirit of Mikheil Saakashvili trying to re-take Abkhazia and South Ossetia.

Posted by: Rowan Berkeley | Mar 12 2014 19:22 utc | 107

Rowan the rentamob thing is already happening, someone is 'joking around' and marking Tatar houses w 'X's' a la WW2, or so some professional BBC propagandist relays. Of course the message is that these markings are obvious genuine precursors to ethnic cleansing. So it's happening. Staging.

And Saakashvili is actually in Kiev, 'advising' the new gov!! Ludicrous but true.

Posted by: L Bean | Mar 12 2014 19:32 utc | 108

Rowan Berkeley

The rent a mob scum gets quite quickly arrested and thrown out. And ukraine does not have anything like a military they could send. Crimea, however, does have loyal military and police forces.

And about zato, just forget it. poland will continue to make noise and so will merkel (as long as she isn't loosing her job) but zato will - as I did explain - do nothing of any significance.

Posted by: Mr. Pragma | Mar 12 2014 19:41 utc | 109

L Bean

sak-ass-willynilly must be happy if he is put in a jail in georgia (he is accused of murder and there is solid evidence), because I's rather assume he'll soon have an additional hole in his head. Which btw. would be *way too good* for that scumbag.

Posted by: Mr. Pragma | Mar 12 2014 19:43 utc | 110

@98

There is a big difference, however, in that Iran didn't enable a violent uprising in Bahrain that led to a coup, and in Ukraine people had rights and held elections before the coup, while in Bahrain the Shiite majority is forced to live under the rule of a minority and their brutal monarch that the U.S. enables. This ties in with what Mike Maloney posted earlier @93 that America's quest to promote "democracy & civil society" is really a front for covert warfare, because in Syria those "rebels" egged on by the U.S. trying to take over the country are indeed driven by the most extreme of radical ideologies departing from their faith. So the U.S. is definitely all over the map in trying to impose its will with zero moral authority and staggering hypocrisy. Because its goal isn't really "democracy and civil society", that's merely the propaganda hook; its goal is and always will be imperial domination sustained by military and financial tyranny over the rest of the world.

Posted by: kalithea | Mar 12 2014 19:50 utc | 111

@98 - cynthia - great point! thanks for sharing that.. it is so glaring it can not go ignored and needs to be discussed more..

bevin - thanks for the additional link too! i have yet to read it, but will do so. i think some of us here try to stay on top of all the posts, but it is tricky and i appreciate everyone's involvement and especially b for providing this site.. cheers - james

Posted by: james | Mar 12 2014 19:57 utc | 112

noirette

no surpris, where svbado or right sector are really implanted are the home of the galician ss & where its pals the einsatzgruppen organized their business of massacres in south & eastern ukraine

Posted by: rememnererringgiap | Mar 12 2014 19:57 utc | 113

Posted by: Rowan Berkeley | Mar 12, 2014 3:22:42 PM | 107

OK, then, how about ZATO do their rentamob thing in Crimea,

Well they can rent a mob, but it will have to be a mob of outsiders, cos they don't appear to have one in place - I don't think the Tatars will play that role, ( but I could be wrong - I'll happily admit to knowing SFA about Tatars)

Also, provided they do rent their mob they got to get them in there. How will they do that unnoticed?

and once they start doing the mob thing the Russians could pull a false flag of their own as an excuse for mass arrest

create lots of false flag incidents to make it seem that Russians are trying to kill Tatars, for instance,

They might go that route, but it won't happen immediately Imo, and I still don't think that the Tatars are that dumb. - and like I said, 2 can play that game just as easily as 1

then the new puppet phony West Ukrainian govt sends in its troops,

What troops? They tried a Mil call-up and no one showed

in the spirit of Mikheil Saakashvili trying to re-take Abkhazia and South Ossetia.

Can't be done - there only about 3 landroutes into Crimea - how exactly are these mythical Ukraine Mil forces supposed to get in without the Russians stopping them?

Posted by: brb | Mar 12 2014 20:07 utc | 114

So the UN Security Council met Monday: any ideas about what really happened? The communique was, erm, cryptic. http://www.voltairenet.org/article182644.html

Posted by: Nora | Mar 12 2014 20:21 utc | 115

Mr Pragma @103 This story is as old as mankind itself.

[...] ALWAYS attack massively and in massive numbers, preferably > 10:1.
That very same modus operandi - and the ONLY one imaginable to them - is seen in military operations.
1) use cruise missiles to destroy anything that might be remotely dangerous. And use plenty of missiles.
2) Enter the such created "secure zone" with air forces and destroy. Use plenty of bombs and missiles.
3) Only when the opponent is utterly destroyed, go in with boots on the ground. Massively again, of course. [...]
2'000 years ago it was archers instead of cruise missiles and cavalry instead of fighter jets. And if you had 10 times as many warriors available for the battle than your opponent did you brought 10 times as many. That's just what you do if your job is to plan maximum damage to the enemy at minimal cost to your own troops. Do you seriously think Russia's generals wouldn't send in fighter jets to fly sorties against armored columns, artillery positions and other known enemy locations before they'd sends in the troops?
[...] Forth, Russia will clean - or, if needed attack - "international" organizations like osce which are clearly biased towarad or controlled by zusa. [...]
Dream on, and when you snap out of your fantasies do share with me how in this dream of yours Russia managed to attack the OSCE in any meaningful way. This organisation is as influential in shaping world events as the Olympic committee, probably even less so. Russia may exit from it, stop cooperating with it, talk one or two friendly governments into doing the same and that's about it.

Posted by: Juan Moment | Mar 14 2014 12:03 utc | 116

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