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February 26, 2014
Open Thread 2014-04
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Jordan kick out israeli ambassador. Posted by: Anonymous | Feb 26 2014 17:49 utc | 1 Mark Ames: Posted by: duffolonious | Feb 26 2014 18:17 utc | 2 Rethink in Qatar? Posted by: dh | Feb 26 2014 18:20 utc | 3 The jihad that is being waged in the “belly of the beast,” the United States of America, is directed against working people (whose immiseration has accelerated rapidly under the watchful eye of President Obama). Posted by: Mike Maloney | Feb 26 2014 18:21 utc | 4 2) That correction is shameful. They corrected that correction by an article which is closer to the truth: Posted by: somebody | Feb 26 2014 18:30 utc | 5 Some 150+ Jabhat al-Nusra fighters ambushed and now off the battlefield video @2 duffo, Ames quotes with approval Rudnitsky:“The protests have come under fire as an American-funded coup, particularly in the Russian media. And there’s some truth to it…” Posted by: ruralito | Feb 26 2014 18:47 utc | 7 I am concerned about how the MSM has been covering Egypt, particularly regarding government crackdowns on NGOs and media. The MSM presents these as uniformly unfounded repression of freedom of speech. Some of the targeted NGOs are US “Democracy-Promoting” color coup organizations.
Within that context, it is not unreasonable to assume that current AlJazeera staff members are either sympathetic to the perspective of the MB or are willing to report the news any way that Qatar demands in order to keep their jobs — they’re either true believers or paid propagandists. Posted by: Rusty Pipes | Feb 26 2014 19:02 utc | 9 Yes new government is filled with pro west and against russia. Posted by: Anonymous | Feb 26 2014 19:27 utc | 11 Developments: Posted by: JerseyJeffersonian | Feb 26 2014 21:39 utc | 12 One man’s summation of the state of play: Posted by: JerseyJeffersonian | Feb 26 2014 21:48 utc | 13 That video of the al Nusra fighters being ambushed makes it look like that they were being very poorly led. Isn’t it a basic rule combat to not allow your troops to concentrate in groups? When marching in combat zones aren’t the individual soldiers supposed to remain about 20 feet apart? Those 150 men were all within a distance of about 6 blast radii. Posted by: ToivoS | Feb 26 2014 21:56 utc | 14 Posted by: Anonymous | Feb 26, 2014 12:49:01 PM | 1 Posted by: brian | Feb 26 2014 22:18 utc | 15 @ 13 Posted by: brian | Feb 26 2014 22:19 utc | 16 ‘Posted by: duffolonious | Feb 26, 2014 1:17:14 PM | 2 Posted by: brian | Feb 26 2014 22:21 utc | 17 The new dilemma for Jews in Ukraine – Anti-Semitism, though a real threat, is being used by the Kremlin as a political football. Posted by: brian | Feb 26 2014 22:22 utc | 18 @9 Posted by: brian | Feb 26 2014 22:24 utc | 19 John “Fascist Enabling War Criminal” Kerry tells us that Ukraine will get a $1 Billion loan from the US. Posted by: JSorrentine | Feb 26 2014 22:26 utc | 20 I’m sure someone else has probably already posted this earlier but, ffs, another video sending up the Ukrainian putsch with quotes by Will Smith and Rocky?!! Posted by: JSorrentine | Feb 26 2014 23:03 utc | 21 Toivo @13 Their Infantry Tactics reeked…! See figure 2-11 for what the bozos should’ve done to at least minimize their casualities…! Poor old Erdogan… Erdogan overheard telling son to get rid of cash as Turkey corruption probe takes new twist Have you noticed a waning in the use of the term “Islamofascism,” once so popular among Neoconservatives? Now that the Neocons are cheerleading for Islamic Front and Nusra to take down Damascus, we’re not hearing much about Islamofascism anymore. We’re also not hearing much about the real fascists in Ukraine. Posted by: Mike Maloney | Feb 26 2014 23:56 utc | 24 DAMASCUS: More details about the ambush at Al-’Utayba. The number of carcasses counted so far is 192. This may be adjusted upwards as more rats are found. The number wounded or arrested is 58 with 2 confirmed CIA agents. Posted by: Harry | Feb 27 2014 0:14 utc | 25 Harry @ #24, Posted by: JerseyJeffersonian | Feb 27 2014 0:56 utc | 26 11) Well, it is not “inclusive”. Presumably politicians do not have the power but the “Maidan Council” Posted by: somebody | Feb 27 2014 1:00 utc | 27 @J Sorrentine (19), Yatsenyuk is saying that Ukraine needs $35 billion just to get through 2014-2015, so $1 billion is a drop in the ocean. Financially, Ukraine is in a desperate situation – there’s no money to pay salaries and meet government expenditure. The country imports a lot and its purchasing power is shot to hell so what’s going to happen when people haven’t been paid for several months and the shops run out of food? Posted by: Fern | Feb 27 2014 1:20 utc | 28 Harry @24… This matches what I saw from that clip: SAA engineers planted mines all along the only pathway the rats could travel. It was a just a matter of waiting for them to get beyond the fail-safe point and then detonate the explosives. That was to be followed up by artillery and infantry fire. 26) Add to the power of “Maidan Council”. MPs are now furiously agreeing to right wing legislation that will split the coountry. Bet you they get threatened, too. This is Voice of Russia’s take, which I find likely:
This scenario, where there are double agents in security and right wing forces, where you end up not knowing who is who, mirrors Germany’s NSU case. Posted by: somebody | Feb 27 2014 1:31 utc | 30 This here is German FAZ Posted by: somebody | Feb 27 2014 1:37 utc | 31 @27 Posted by: JSorrentine | Feb 27 2014 1:53 utc | 33 “This scenario, where there are double agents in security and right wing forces, where you end up not knowing who is who, mirrors Germany’s NSU case” Posted by: JSorrentine | Feb 27 2014 2:12 utc | 34 Adding: Posted by: JSorrentine | Feb 27 2014 2:20 utc | 35 27) There is an inofficial economy already in Ukraine in Dollar, Ruble and Euro. Basically, government jobs will not get done, or get done for bribes. That is already the case. Ukraine is huge for illegal arms trade, drug and human trafficing. Police, judicary, military are government jobs. They are/will be privatized. Posted by: somebody | Feb 27 2014 2:21 utc | 36 *Once again, we have a congress and a federal bureaucracy tossing around our money so some jerks can play at being power brokers around the world. Posted by: denk | Feb 27 2014 2:37 utc | 37 And more from the Orwellian world of the 21st century:
Beware MoonBats and especially our host. Posted by: juannie | Feb 27 2014 3:09 utc | 38 NATO puts it foot in its mouth: Posted by: brian | Feb 27 2014 3:35 utc | 39 I wanted to take this over to here. It is very important it seems to me. It is, entirely, the narrative which allows, for instance, those progressives who were against the war in Iraq to suddenly turn around and support strikes on Libya. Posted by: guest77 | Feb 27 2014 3:41 utc | 40 guest77 39 Posted by: denk | Feb 27 2014 4:40 utc | 41 Engdahl thinks US & Saudi have split Posted by: Cu Chulainn | Feb 27 2014 7:12 utc | 43 Seems the fun in Ukraine’s only just beginning..Parliament office is now under control of armed men with Russian flag raised on top. Posted by: Zico | Feb 27 2014 8:05 utc | 44 #43 Posted by: Mina | Feb 27 2014 8:27 utc | 45 @Cu Chulainn #42: Thierry Meyssan wrote about it in December 2012, I’ve provided here links to his excellent (except he’s recently turned out to be the USSR and Stalin apologist) analyses a few times – which are the most reliable in the Internet regarding Syria – but sadly many commenters here choose to believe ziocon propaganda and manipulation demonizing Obama (read Gordon Duff about “bifurcation” to understand) and distorting the truth about major developments in the countries involved (e.g. new Egypt-Russia alliance), who started to change dramatically his foreign policy on the evening of the day he won his second term. Sadly people confuse “US” with the criminal gang consisting of FED, Wall Street, US Congress, AIPAC, House of Bush, Clintons, neocons-PNAC/FDD, MIC and some parts of the Obama administration. Posted by: ProPeace | Feb 27 2014 8:39 utc | 46 Support Aipac duh… Posted by: Anonymous | Feb 27 2014 9:10 utc | 47 It is clear from this what the CIA is doing in Ukraine.
Posted by: somebody | Feb 27 2014 9:39 utc | 49
Posted by: Virgile | Feb 27 2014 9:53 utc | 50 Thanks a lot Virgile! Great article. Crooke has been consistent all along and his articles on Syria (and warnings) can be found easily. Posted by: Mina | Feb 27 2014 10:06 utc | 51 check mate! Posted by: somebody | Feb 27 2014 10:36 utc | 52
It is only now that the infantry battle is being won by the government and it’s allies that they suddenly come this way of thinking. The crap about the invincibility of the SAS, US Special Forces, have failed, they want to extract themselves before the world gets to know there are paper tigers. Posted by: Hans | Feb 27 2014 11:05 utc | 53 CAR president misunderstood r2p (she will when she hears drones flying above her head) Posted by: Mina | Feb 27 2014 11:17 utc | 54 Frankly, I don’t think JSorrentine is at all far off when he calls the United States a deranged killer. Posted by: DM | Feb 27 2014 11:26 utc | 55 MP MOSKAL: PEOPLE CHANTING MAIDAN SLOGANS ARE LOOTING THE CITY AND RAPING WOMEN Posted by: brian | Feb 27 2014 11:30 utc | 56 Kerry’s latest ‘doctrine’… Will it make it to the WP frontpage? Posted by: Mina | Feb 27 2014 11:47 utc | 57
Posted by: Virgile | Feb 27 2014 11:47 utc | 58 The Crimea region want to hold a referendum on their region’s future..Does the EU not understand that not everybody wants to be part of their Super-Europe project???? Posted by: Zico | Feb 27 2014 12:27 utc | 59 58) Well, they are pretty stuck now. The fools have recognized the new Ukrainian government including president. Posted by: somebody | Feb 27 2014 12:42 utc | 60 For our daily dose of western hypocrisy, Amnesty finds a really worrying pattern of unlawful killings by Zionist Stormtroopers:
The world according to brain dead western media audience: USraeli occupation troops shooting unarmed Palestinians in the back because they might throw a molotov cocktail, all good. Ukrainian riot police killing armed to the teeth rioters actually throwing molotov cocktails , all bad.
So, the German chancellor whose domestic intelligence service Verfassungsschutz helped Nazis kill a dozen or so foreign looking people in Germany and then decided to shred all its files on the matter, is receiving an Israeli award for her fight against racism? Sometimes the comedy is just too much. Posted by: Juan Moment | Feb 27 2014 12:58 utc | 62 somebody @ 59 Posted by: Zico | Feb 27 2014 12:59 utc | 63 Ukrainians don’t remember recent US/Nato successes in democracy building? Posted by: Mina | Feb 27 2014 13:06 utc | 64 @Virgil #57: Those were land mines and artillery, read SyrianPerspective for details Posted by: ProPeace | Feb 27 2014 13:08 utc | 65 @Mina #63 Very good site on Libya: Libyan War the Truth Posted by: ProPeace | Feb 27 2014 13:10 utc | 66 If EU/US can send people to the streets, so can Russia 🙂 Posted by: Anonymous | Feb 27 2014 13:46 utc | 67 Not in a position to read all the comments of my favorite blog, so can’t tie it in to a specific comment. Flashback, from April 2003, Talking Points Memo’s Josh Marshall: @40 Posted by: JSorrentine | Feb 27 2014 15:31 utc | 71 Don’t worry about the Jews of Ukraine, because they have the right to go steal even more land from Palestinians. I’m sure Zionists are working overtime to make ensure that happens. Fear propaganda anyone? Posted by: kalithea | Feb 27 2014 15:36 utc | 72 Ukie parliamentofwhores annoints Yat th’ Rat as PM…meanwhile Crimea seems to be Putsch-free! Posted by: bfrakes | Feb 27 2014 15:45 utc | 73 People seem not to have noticed or perhaps not very interested in the recent developments in Turkey. There have surfaced some “tapes” recorded from spying on Erdogan’s conversation with his son (dating back to the days after the graft prob in Dec. 2013), in which he allegedly tells his son to get rid of the money stashed in his and some relatives homes because there is a danger of police raid. The opposition is adamant that the tapes are genuine, but Mr. Erdogan claims that they are “montage”. He blames Gulen and “outside forces” for the fake. Funny enough he appeals to Deniz Baykal (the former leader of CHP) to come forward and side by him on this issue Baykal was victim to a similar spying which allegedly showed him in bedroom with his former secretary (leading to his resignation). I don’t recall Mr. Erdogan making any noises at the time or vowing to punish those unscrupulous spying “outside forces” back then. Similarly he is going very hard on the public prosecutors who went after his ministers and their sons after the graft operation in 2013, but he forgets that these were the very same prosecutors who went after the army officers, journalists and in certain cases university professors on cooked up charges of “coup attempt” against his government. Posted by: Pirouz_2 | Feb 27 2014 15:45 utc | 74 I don’t know what the Russian government is thinking. Yanukovich seems a liability more than an asset. He doesn’t seem to have much (or any) internal support at this point. Posted by: ThePaper | Feb 27 2014 16:08 utc | 75 The Paper 73 Posted by: Anonymous | Feb 27 2014 16:12 utc | 76 4) Posted by: Fernando | Feb 27 2014 16:21 utc | 77 I don’t understand the question. Given that Yanukovich seems to be in Russia and has announced a press conference there for tomorrow I say that Russia has quite a lot to say. None of that can happen without the approval and complicity of the Russian government. Posted by: ThePaper | Feb 27 2014 16:28 utc | 78 76) Well, Russia can tell Yanukovich to go to the Kiew parliament and resign officially, so that the new government is constitutional – or not. Posted by: somebody | Feb 27 2014 16:51 utc | 79 @ ThePaper | 76 Posted by: Harry | Feb 27 2014 16:52 utc | 80 Thepaper Posted by: Anonymous | Feb 27 2014 17:31 utc | 81 Russian world champ boxer in Chrimea, now where is the western puppet klitschko? Posted by: Anonymous | Feb 27 2014 17:38 utc | 82 Videos like this make me effin mad, this is the nazis obama, merkel supports. Posted by: Anonymous | Feb 27 2014 17:41 utc | 83 This piece at Counterpunch is interesting: Posted by: bevin | Feb 27 2014 18:05 utc | 84 76) This here is another reason why Yanoukovich is still useful
Posted by: somebody | Feb 27 2014 18:52 utc | 85 JS Sorrentine wrote at 20: Posted by: Noirette | Feb 27 2014 19:12 utc | 86 Israel Shamir, interesting on Ukraine: Posted by: Rowan Berkeley | Feb 27 2014 19:24 utc | 87 This is another use of Yanoukovich
Posted by: somebody | Feb 27 2014 19:44 utc | 88 bevin82, that FPIF piece wasn’t so much dated as missed the point. That intercepted phone call, meant one thing ‘forget the EU, US will handle this coup alone’. Posted by: okie farmer | Feb 27 2014 21:05 utc | 89 Enough of all this war criminal talk. Bush paints pictures and he loves dogs. Posted by: dh | Feb 27 2014 21:10 utc | 90 The Ukraine protesters are really going overboard. After seizing the Parliament, they have passed some disgraceful laws including removing Russian as one of Ukraine’s official languages, despite 11.3 Million Russian speakers in the country. Also disbanding the riot police and making a member of Right Sector the chief of Ukraines Security Council.
Posted by: Colm O’ Toole | Feb 27 2014 21:10 utc | 91 Stephen Hawking the Orientalist: ‘The former President of Brasil, Lula is visiting Cuba. This is taking place among rumors that Lula may run for the executive office once again. The disturbances taking place in Brasil prior to the much heralded world cup are believed to be smear and destabilization campaigns on the part of foreign agents and assets that want besmirch the prestige that the regional BRIC power is attaining. Posted by: brian | Feb 27 2014 21:39 utc | 93 Lebanon, France finalize $3 billion arms deal: report Posted by: Virgile | Feb 28 2014 7:19 utc | 94
Posted by: Virgile | Feb 28 2014 7:22 utc | 95 ProPeace, ~45, #65, #66: here as on the next thread, ProPeace seems to spend all his time either pumping out a steady stream of disinformational links (F W Engdahl, Gordon Duff, Thierry Meyssan) or pumping out a peculiar pro-Obama conspiracy theory: Obama is a frustrated progressive genius hemmed in by bureaucrats and would-be military putschists. Posted by: Rowan Berkeley | Feb 28 2014 15:59 utc | 96 For the social scientists on MOA ; Re The attack on fighters at Al Utayba. Having looked at the photos of the corpses of the fighters at Al Utayba, I had 2 thoughts in succession. Firstly I thought that these corpses were of unarmed civilians, but I was convinced by comments that they were disarmed by Syrian Army soldiers as an operational procedure. The second thought was a reaction to the appearance of the corpses. They did not look like a healthy, well equipped body of men. They looked like poverty struck tramps when compared with Syrian Army fighters. Does this mean that there is a social stratification of fighters? Posted by: MIDAN | Feb 28 2014 17:47 utc | 97 “They looked like poverty struck tramps when compared with Syrian Army fighters.” Posted by: ruralito | Feb 28 2014 18:28 utc | 98 Some anti-Syrian fighters wear military fatigues (the best funded and equipped), some other some kind of ‘Islamic’ robes and many just plain civilian clothes. So it’s not unusual to find them in that kind of attire. The weapons seem to be removed immediately for security reasons and I you don’t usually see weapons and corpses side to side in such kind of videos. Posted by: ThePaper | Feb 28 2014 19:00 utc | 99 http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/ukraine/10663971/Russia-and-Nato-to-face-off-over-Ukraine.html Posted by: jawbone | Feb 28 2014 21:10 utc | 100 |
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