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February 13, 2014

Open Thread 2014-03

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Posted by b on February 13, 2014 at 18:00 UTC | Permalink

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As the opposition has shown that they can't present neither a political nor a military viable alternative to the Syrian government, they now try to make us believe that they have renounced to ask for Bashar al Assad's departure by coming with a absurd plan, trying to force again the regime change in disguise they have tried for 3 years.

In the meantime anti-Syria media ( Ignatius and others totally confused journalists) keep repeating that the only solution is to 'help' the 'moderate' rebels militarily. Obviously they have no more new ideas and they prefer to avoid talking about the Syrian army's military success, the looming defeat of Al Nusra and their FSA allies in Yabroud, the defeat of the same in Yarmouk and the slow poisonning of the rebels by their own medicine: Sunni Islamism


Syrian Rebels Sketch Peace Plan That Omits Demand for Assad’s Ouster
http://www.nytimes.com/2014/02/13/world/middleeast/syria.html

IGNATIUS: Taking long view on Syria

http://www.theleafchronicle.com/viewart/20140213/OPINION/302130002/IGNATIUS-Taking-long-view-on-Syria

What to do? In the short run, the U.S. should step up its training and assistance for the moderate Syrian opposition. This has multiple benefits: A stronger opposition can fight the Bashar al-Assad regime, push back al-Qaeda and safeguard humanitarian corridors. Perhaps it will eventually be strong enough to win a cease-fire. But this is a formula for reducing the bloodshed, not for settling the conflict.

Posted by: Virgile | Feb 13 2014 18:42 utc | 1

It's worth taking note of the New York Time's prominent -- top of the fold, upper right -- placement of a story today that tracks the rise of ISIS to a series of prison breaks in Iraq from 2012 to 2013. The entire piece appears to have been published in order to repeat the lie, that is gaining wide circulation, that ISIS is a creation of the Syrian government. The story breaks new ground in adding the al-Maliki government as co-creator.

Say what you will about Joshua Landis, this week he posted a devastating point-by-point critique by Aymenn al-Tamimi of the supposed Assad-ISIS connection. I recommended checking it out.

Posted by: Mike Maloney | Feb 13 2014 19:26 utc | 2

Does EU members wank to pictures of obama?

EU to reject asylum for Snowden.
http://inagist.com/all/433561817730654208/?utm_source=inagist&utm_medium=rss

Posted by: Anonymous | Feb 13 2014 20:42 utc | 3

It looks like the Usual Suspect is working more actively on regime change in Venezuela. The Latin America desk must have felt overshadowed by events in Syria and Ukraine.
http://venezuelanalysis.com/analysis/10348

Posted by: JohnH | Feb 13 2014 21:21 utc | 4

I'm happy to see Glenn Greenwald and Jeremy Scahill posting at their new site, The Intercept.

Their first big story is a stomach-churner: the drone program using NSA information to assassinate cell phones (along with anybody standing nearby).

Posted by: catlady | Feb 13 2014 21:31 utc | 5

From Jim White @ Emptywheel... Disappeared Pakistani Drone Activist Planned ICC Testimony...

Posted by: CTuttle | Feb 13 2014 23:44 utc | 6

From Jim White @ Emptywheel... Disappeared Pakistani Drone Activist Planned ICC Testimony...

Posted by: CTuttle | Feb 13 2014 23:44 utc | 7

How did it double post, I only submitted it once...! 8-(

Posted by: CTuttle | Feb 13 2014 23:46 utc | 8

I very much appreciate b’s expertise, and I value the POV of MOA, and I understand that policing comments is a hassle for the blog host, but if this site is going to become a gathering place for ethnic blamers, i.e., folks who conflate anti-Arab Zionists with Israelis with Jews, then I’m out.

Posted by: Watson | Feb 14 2014 0:16 utc | 9

Are Syria charities a front for Jihadists? Fears convoys in the country are being used to help militants after thousands in cash is seized


Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2559042/Are-Syria-charities-Jihadists-Fears-convoys-country-used-help-militants-thousands-cash-seized.html#ixzz2tGAXKr9w

British suicide bomber Abdul Waheed Majeed, 41, is among those who have travelled to Syria under the banner of charitable work. He joined an aid convoy after his Crawley mosque raised more than £140,000 to help refugees

Posted by: Virgile | Feb 14 2014 2:35 utc | 10

Watch first Trendlines: ‘Syria After Geneva 2’

https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=lCUDI-rf29U

BY newsdesk February 13, 2014 at 6:48 PM EST

In the first Trendlines web special, a joint production of the PBS NewsHour and Al-Monitor, columnists Semih Idiz in Ankara, Turkey, Daoud Kuttab in Amman, Jordan, and Vitaly Naumkin in Moscow, along with the University of Oklahoma’s Joshua Landis, discuss the diplomatic effort to resolve the Syria crisis and how it’s impacting surrounding countries.

Posted by: Virgile | Feb 14 2014 4:01 utc | 11

okinawa get screwed big time......again.

here's jackass hagel, mccain, abe, gushing over the betrayal of okinawans.

http://shingetsunewsagency.com/tokyo/?p=437

p.s.
cant post at atimes again. !

Posted by: denk | Feb 14 2014 4:05 utc | 12

A talk in Venezuela, a few years ago...

The war here [in Venezuela] is between those without power - without rights, those without presence in the world, whose dignity is permanently eliminated - and those who want to exert power only to divide society and maintain a system of domination of a few over a very immense and unhappy lot. We don’t like that. So we want to apply politics, real politics – democracy, what democracy is about – into changing the status of that big majority. And for that small, very small minority, to understand that when you simply want to divide society, oppress a part of society, take human rights away from a big part of it - you’re not a democrat. You cannot be called a democrat, you cannot be called a republican, you’re not a civilizer, you’re not a society constructor, you’re not a development contributor. You are but a fascist. And fascism is at work right now against the populations of Latin America. You’ve know that for many years. I’m not telling you anything new.

There is a term in use at the moment, it is “fourth generation war”. Fourth generation war is not fought with rifles, with tanks, or with bombs. Fourth generation war, like the one in Iraq, or like the one that started in Iraq and in other parts of the world, is fought in the minds of people. And your enemy seeks to control all of your territory by telling your soldiers, your people, that you are their enemy. If my people, my army, my interests, my culture, are here and I am a part of them, my enemy tells my people here that “hey, your enemy is that guy there in front of you.” If my enemy convinces my people that I am their enemy, who will they kill? They won’t kill their enemy, their real true enemy, they’ll kill me. So that is a fourth generation war. The one that is fought here with psychological warfare. We are not anymore calling them means of communication anymore, because they are not means of communication, they are a means of mass destruction. They are means of conscience destruction. They are means of political propaganda spreading. They are not means of communication. They do not communicate. They impose, terrorize, control.

And there is a deployment of such techniques right now with the happenings of the Venezuelan Bolivarian Democratic Revolution. You will not get more examples of concrete democratic experiences than what you can see, feel, and touch here. But you will, everyday, get messages totally contrary to that. What you have to analyze is who produced those messages. Where did they come from, what are their purposes? Why did they say that people in Venezuela are oppressed by Chávez? Are people here oppressed by Chávez? That’s a question that you may and you have to ask yourselves. Because if you see channel 33, Globovisíon, that channel will tell you that this country lives, and is right now under a dictatorship. And, hence, you cannot tolerate a dictator, hence any means is tolerable to bring down a dictator. And everything is nicely and neatly organized so that the reaction of people gets to be packed, controlled, wrapped, by those impulses. So, you will see things like very beautiful people, nice looking people, with sunglasses, sometimes – and that they say “What’s this, now they want to control the entrance at universities?! I mean all these people…I mean, how can you have all these poor people at universities?” You can see these things everyday. In Latin America, like in all countries of the world – with some very good exceptions – you will see things like this because the right wing is very afraid right now.

The right wing, the oligarchy, that exists. It’s true, it exists. And politically, they are very good at organizing themselves. They are very effective in using their power, economic and otherwise, against their social and political enemies. And they are deploying their power here in Venezuela, right now. For example, 80% of the radio stations, TV stations, and newspapers are private, and are, largely, immensely, anti-Chávez. They are undemocratic, they don’t believe in complying with the rule, with the law. And they don’t respect public opinion. It’s absurd what you can watch on these TV stations, you listen to people calling for rebellion, calling for an overthrow of the government. I mean, you do that in a TV station in the United States or in Spain or the United Kingdom or so on, you end up in prison. But they say that this is a dictatorship. And that itself is the best proof that our enemies are simply fascist and undemocratic is that. There is never an objective or balanced opinion about Chávez.

There are people here in Venezuela who tell lies everyday, organize techniques for making their lies the truth of the day, your everyday bread, every morning, every afternoon, and every night – and they cause people get so fed up with everything… “I mean I don’t understand this…I mean what is reality really?” Because of course not everyone, everyday, has the time to really analyze things. You have to live. You have to do your things.

So imagine you are an average Venezuelan just trying to live your life. Well, right now there is no sugar in Venezuela. Sometimes it's coffee, toilet paper…and that, of course, makes people very angry. “Bloody Hell!” And when you go to the supermarket “Agh, there’s no sugar! This Chávez!” “Ah, it’s Chávez!” You cannot…in the last eight years – in the last six, eight years in Venezuela, people here…You know, you can’t find cars anymore. For the last six years, Venezuela was the country with the highest level of car sales. Now you cannot find cars. Something’s happening. They did that with Chile. Another one of a chain of conspiracies, economic conspiracy techniques, part of this fourth generation war. And we have to fight this. So, things at the moment are all right, Mercal is the national network everywhere. In every little town, in every little community, we will always have apart of that network. So the government now, against this conspiracy of the sugar, the government brought I don’t know how many tons of sugar from abroad, and distribution of that sugar goes to every little town, everywhere now. So we caught the sabotage, the conspiracy. “Ah you don’t want to sell sugar, you want to hide the sugar…” They hide sugar, they hide everything. They create scarcity. Of course false scarcity. That’s criminal. That’s criminal. They do it. Alright, so we bring the sugar. In a couple, or in one, or in a couple of days, it is everywhere. We’ve learned a lot about that.

So we are preparing ourselves for this fourth generation war too. And we prepare our people for it. In our government and in our country we have, every two months, the printing of five million books for everybody. And then ten million books, and that’s why, when you go to a shanty town nowadays, it’s difficult to have a meeting. You know why? Because everybody’s doing something. At first, everybody is either at a, at a local school learning to read and write through Mission Robinson. Now a lot of people are either in Mission Sucre doing secondary school or finishing their primary school. 40 year olds, 50 year olds, 80 year olds. Because we want to defend ourselves too. The problem is that, we on the left, we are terrible at war, we’re bad at that. The right, of course, is excellent at it, effective at it. Because they do not have scruples. They do anything they have to do against us.

See, we want to do everything, always, of course lawfully, and “the constitution”…alright, so “Here’s the constitution…” [mimics holding up the constitution] then “pow pow pow pow” [mimics shooting a machinegun at the holder of the constitution] “Here’s the constitution”. [laughter] I do it with a little laughter because this is…we talk about this every day. But it’s sad. Well that’s the truth but we’ve got to know that. And also we believe in internationalism. We are brothers and sisters, and we love each other. But they kill…they kill us all. We, in fact, on the contrary, rely on principles, rely on ethics, rely on morals. For us, things are good or are bad. You do not do things if they are unjust. You do not do things if they are, um, inhuman. They don’t care about that. They don’t give a fuck about that. They kill us. They kill us. They kill people. There are people here in Venezuela – the army is ours, the president is ours, we have the power, but they kill every month, peasants. Because peasants are very well organized. And are organizing themselves. So out in the land, in the plains, Agribusiness organizes their small armies and kill the guys that are getting organized. They would like the same war here that has been happening in Colombia for the past 40 years.

In Colombia, peasants, trade unionists, student leaders, human rights groups leaders are killed by the hundreds. They never get to see the sunset. Never. they are always killed mid-morning, early morning. Every single week. You may see one or two stories about it on the news because it’s almost impossible to deny what happens in Colombia, but we don’t see really news about human rights violations in Colombia. We see news about human rights violations in Venezuela, in a country where our president loves and is loved by people. But about Colombia nobody hears anything. Life in Colombia is pink and light blue. How strange. You don’t hear anything about the political and human rights violations in Colombia. About Venezuela, you will hear everything twelve to twelve, six to six. So our people, at the end of the day, end up saying “Um, maybe I’m not too well informed. Maybe Chávez is the real killer.” Because a lie told a thousand times, becomes, ends up being the Truth.

So we also have to avoid these media conspiracies, and the economic ones too. And no matter what we do to avoid food conspiracy, no matter what we do, they will always be prepared. Like now, there’s no sugar. Okay? Because businessmen here, the majority of businessmen, are against Chávez. The majority, not all. The majority. Especially those in the corporate, international corporate business organizations. So, one, you know that there is Mercal. Mercal is the network, the national network that we created, that Chávez created after the oil sabotage. Ten months after the coup d’etat, 2002 – 2003. They, for almost three months, didn’t uh…they sabotaged the oil company, the oil refineries, the oil distribution – everything they tried to stop. But what they wanted to do was for people to actually go out and loot in the streets. They wanted…they thought – the stupid ones – they thought, can you believe it, that people don’t have conscience. But they once again were wrong. People couldn’t eat, people couldn’t go out, uh…for almost three months. Ask me, my friends, ask me, if anybody from the shanty towns, from the poor areas, from neighborhoods, ask me if they ever tried to do anything that could create a situation of…unrest. Nothing. That’s political consciousness. Because people knew, that all they had to do was wait, because their enemy were those trying to sabotage Chávez. So people waited. People didn’t go out and loot anything. Because if we went out on the streets, if we attacked, or if people attacked, that’s what they wanted. They wanted to create, anarchy so that the United Nations blue helmets, or the Organization of American States, could come and intervene.

That’s political consciousness. In fact, one of the most famous phrases during the oil sabotage was created by an old lady that was interviewed in a, in a very poor area - people had to use their chairs and tables to cook what little they had, as there was no gas, there was nothing. She said “Con hambre y sin empleo, con Chavez me resteo.” It’s a phrase with a rhyme. “Con hambre y sin empleo, con Chavez me resteo.” The interviewer was asking the lady, an old lady, you know, very poor, she was…they were cooking a soup. You know, a big soup with things people brought from everywhere for the neighborhood… And they were cooking with wood form people’s houses. So the interviewer said, “what um…this is happening, how can you still say that you support Chávez?” and she says “With hunger” or “hungry”…”With Hunger, and unemployed, I’ll stick with Chávez.” But in Spanish, it has a rhyme. “Con Hambre” hambre is hunger… “Con hambre y sin empleo” …employment… “con Chávez me resteo.” Right? “Con hambre y sin empleo, con Chavez me resteo.” She said that in an interview and that became a phrase, a national phrase. And that phrase, said by that woman there, who probably never read a book in her life, became the symbol of social and political consciousness. Because that sabotage was completely smashed. Simply by the conscience of the people.

Posted by: guest77 | Feb 14 2014 4:24 utc | 13

Just as in the Ukraine, "protestors" in Venezuela are attacking government buildings with firebombs. Same. Old. Tricks. This is the US empire and the oligarchy's last chance against Venezuela. It's foolish to think they'd waste it.

This is different than the past where the Empire simply tried to twist the people's arms to get them too revolt. That never worked. People were too smart. So now the Empire has moved on. They've formed these aggressive groups which, just as in Ukraine and in Syria, will hide behind peaceful protestors but attack the state and attack the people. And the media will lay it on thick here as well. No doubt about it - get ready to hear what a "disaster" Venezuela is, the inflation, the crime (oh, the crime!)... of course, when the US media is trying to remind you how bad Venezuela is, you'll have to try not to think about the grinding poverty and daily beheadings in that staunch US ally and neoliberal paradise, Mexico!

The people in Venezuela are among the most politically conscious in the world. They know exactly what they are up against. But the whole world needs to be keeping an eye on this. Because however the protests start, the United States will use them to destroy democracy in Venezuela. Because the US hates the idea that the oil money is used to educate and provide healthcare for the next generation. Because the US, and the Venezuelan oligarchs hate nothing more than to see their opponents well fed and educated. They'd rather see them starving to death in flood prone shanty towns like it used to be. But the people of Venezuela will not go back to how it was during the brutal repression of the Caracazo or the Paquetazo, that neo-liberal imposed economic disaster. The people of Venezuela have a stake in their country, and they will NOT let it go. This isn't the Venezuela of the 1980s and 1990s: the immense oil wealth - and the 80% poverty. This is a new Venezuela.

Now Venezuela is for all of its people, not just the few.

Posted by: guest77 | Feb 14 2014 4:48 utc | 14

#8,

I don't think that it is B's job to act as the in-house Thought Police. If you find certain posters to be advocates of what you conceive to be spurious linkages and erroneous over-generalizations, well speak the hell up. The answer to speech you consider to be in error or even malicious, is to exercise YOUR OWN AGENCY, and to contest that speech. The throttling of others' free speech because you find yourself in disagreement with it is not an acceptable option. Free Speech is an absolute, unless of course you are some PC-obsessed Pwogressive. Which is another way of saying that you feel that your beliefs should be a priori accorded a superior status that permits you to stamp your foot, and to demand that others not only agree with your valuations and beliefs, but further, that if they don't fall into line, that they should be censored. Nuh Uh, put on your Big Boy Pants and get into the mix yourself. If you make good arguments and advance compelling evidence, you will find allies, and who knows, perhaps you will even carry the day. It's pretty rough and tumble around here from what I have seen, and that's just fine.

Posted by: JerseyJeffersonian | Feb 14 2014 5:05 utc | 15

#14 JJ - well said. #8 - get ready to rumble, so put down your dukes

Posted by: sausage jack | Feb 14 2014 6:01 utc | 16

more crimes against humanity from ....the evil vampire.

http://www.deliberation.info/us-bio-wmds-time-talk/

Posted by: denk | Feb 14 2014 8:56 utc | 17

Watson | Feb 13, 2014 7:16:46 PM | 8

Hello 'ello 'ello!
Which of the preceding comments inspired those remarks?
Or to put it another way...
What's on, Watson?

Posted by: Hoarsewhisperer | Feb 14 2014 10:16 utc | 18

guest77@13

William Blum has a couple of letters critiquing an Amazon Post/Bezos/CIA propaganda piece on Venezuela.


The crime stuff is bullshit – show me the stats that crime is up, and show me the evidence of near-total criminal impunity. That’s just false. I love how they can say stuff like that with absolutely nothing to back it up and that’s it – I saw it in the Post, so it must be true. The opposition and the opposition press used the murder of that actress person to make an international stink about how dangerous it is here.

They can talk to me about crime when they make the same stink when indigenous leaders get murdered by paramilitaries hired by billionaire ranchers who want to steal indigenous land. The highest crime rates in Venezuela BY FAR are in the barrios of Miranda state where Capriles [leading opposition candidate] is governor. Go figure.

The other high crime areas are around those same borders with Colombia where all the illegal trafficking of goods is going on, major mafias are in operation and where paramilitaries are being imported to infiltrate barrios, supply drugs and arms, and stoke gang violence.

Posted by: john francis lee | Feb 14 2014 10:25 utc | 19

Ad Ukraine & Venezuela

Probably the first colour revolutions took the non-zato countries by surprise. But now, years and some colour revolutions later, defense strategies are in place.

One strategy, and a brilliant one, is employed by Putin: truth, pure and simple.

Now, some might ask why neither in Venezuela nor in Ukraine major troups have been put to work. Simple. They weren't needed. In both countries a lot of noise has been made and the western presstitutes have spread heaps of propaganda - but in actual reality not that much has happened or changed.

Which shows another smart strategy, using the ever increasing ignorance and distance of western politicians to their citizens: Let them go for a while, let them show their true face and let it be known who is remote controlling those "democracy fighters".

Once a certain point is reached, quite certainly not too long after Sochi is over, the truth will be told and shown and the traitors and western whores will pay the price.

And BTW: BRIC and ALBA are doing a very major part of world trading and they control a decisive part of hydrocarbon resources (together with Iran). Maybe it soon strikes them as fruitful to do basically all of their trades in non us$...


Ceterum censeo israel americanamque delenda esse.

Posted by: Mr. Pragma | Feb 14 2014 12:59 utc | 20

JFL @19: Agreed. Both explanations for unrest are bogus. Inflation in Venezuela was 20% in 2013, about the average rate over the past few decades. It was high well before Chavez took office.

As for crime, it has also been very high for decades.

Any media reports from Usual Suspect news outlets purporting to explain events in Venezuela should be viewed as propaganda. The stories they tell!!!

Posted by: JohnH | Feb 14 2014 16:16 utc | 21

the war on President Vladimir Putin....
russiaphobia joins the western autocracies and islamists, the left and right in a common bond of pious outage.
=======================

'The Sochi Games have, after all, been relentlessly transformed by influential Western NGOs, campaigners and officials into a platform for criticising and ridiculing Putin’s Russia. The Games have been thoroughly politicised, by everyone from human-rights groups to gay activists, turned into what one observer calls an ‘unlikely platform [for] world condemnation’ of Russia, a condemnation which in recent months has reached ‘fever pitch’. If Islamists think Sochi represents a good opportunity for attacking Russia, maybe they’ve been influenced by powerful Western elements who for the past year have been using Sochi to precisely those ends.'
....
'The most striking thing about the Western response to the savage attacks on civilians in Volgograd is how little sympathy there has been. There’s even a powerful hint of ‘You had it coming’ in the editorialising on the bombings.'
...
'Try to imagine how we would respond if, just a few days after Christmas, a St Pancras station packed with commuters was targeted by a suicide bomber and a London bus was blown to smithereens. We’d be shocked, distressed, keen to discover who the culprits were and possibly to clamp down on their suspected associates or sponsors. Yet Russia’s similar feelings of loss and anger are subtly ridiculed by Western observers. Putin will probably ‘respond ruthlessly to yesterday’s suicide bombing’, scoffs one newspaper in a piece on the corruption and authoritarianism of modern Russia'
...
So in recent months, Greenpeace activists from the West have attacked Russian oil rigs on the basis that they are ‘destroying the Arctic’; Amnesty International has elevated the cause of Pussy Riot, Russia’s then imprisoned female punk band, above every other human-rights cause on Earth, generating a massive, celebrity-endorsed moral assault on Putin’s authoritarianism; numerous NGOs, some of them funded by American government agencies, have set up shop in Russia with the aim of exposing its democratic failings; right-leaning commentators have slammed Putin for using ‘bullying and cajolery’ to try to make modern Russia as globally powerful as the Soviet Union once was. Westerners who don’t agree on very much have become unified around the cause of Anti-Putinism.
etc
https://www.facebook.com/notes/brian-souter/the-dangers-of-demonising-russia/620138914701376

so russia is authoritartian and UKUS are not? once again media and state are aligned in the 'free' and 'demcratic' west..

Posted by: brian | Feb 14 2014 16:58 utc | 22

wise move to ban CANVAS seditionist from Ukraine : once bitten..

'Ukraine forbid former Georgian president Mikheil Saakashvili and another 35 foreigners, including the Serb Marko Ivkovic, to enter the country, on the suspicion of working with the opposition to destabilize the country during the great pro-European demonstration in Kiev.'
The daily “Kommersant” writes that the Ministry of Foreign Affairs and security services declared as “persona non grata” Saakashvili, 29 Georgians, 5 U.S. citizens and one Serb.

Interfax news agency reported that Marko Ivkovic participated in organizing a revolution against Slobodan Milosevic and promoted similar scenario in Ukraine.

Marko Ivkovic is one of the founders of “Otpor” and an activist of “CANVAS” (Center for Applied Nonviolent Action and Strategies) whose members have already trained Ukranian opposition supporters during the “Orange revolution” in 2004.

According to portal infostok.org, in 2003 he advised opposition movement “Kmara” in Georgia, and he also participated in the “Tulip Revolution” in Kyrgyzstan in 2010.
http://inserbia.info/news/2013/12/ukraine-bans-canvas-member-from-entering-the-country/

Posted by: brian | Feb 14 2014 17:16 utc | 23

@18
I was referring to comments on prior threads.

@15, 16
I’m all for free speech and debate, but some issues have been settled: e.g., the earth is not flat; the universe is more than 6,000 years old.

Most ‘civilized’ people agree that members of the various ethnic groups are not inherently better or worse than others, and consider it at best a waste of time to debate the issue. People who argue otherwise are responsible for history’s most heinous crimes. Jews are particularly at risk from such pernicious theories. Look at their catastrophic history. Consider the ongoing usefulness of scapegoating to the corrupt and greedy hierarchy.

Posted by: Watson | Feb 14 2014 18:40 utc | 24

Nasty Piece in NYT today.
Obama Said to Want New Options for Syria
Kerry in a press conference in Beijing said O is looking for someway to invoke R2P in Syria. Can't get it from the Security Council as "certain Countries" have, and will, block it. This article makes clear that US wants to use US Air Force to "protect aide convoys".

Posted by: okie farmer | Feb 14 2014 19:07 utc | 25

(26)

Yeah, right, poor little jews have been driven out of pretty every country since hundreds of years for no other reason than all of europe being anti-semitic for no particular reason.

Yeah, right, evil anti-semitic forces have made jews look like people who change their names more often than other people change their address, who commit usury and bribing, do not respect any local laws but try to establish special ones for themselves, who do not at all integrate in any society (blaming it as necessity because poor little jews aren't tolerated anywhere, except for walking in and out at hundreds of europes nobility ...) etc. etc.

Sell your lies elsewhere.

Posted by: Mr. Pragma | Feb 14 2014 19:17 utc | 26

That's what the U.S. has been aiming at since Ghouta, a no-fly/no-go zone that allows AQ to pursue its decapitations and liver eating unimpeded by Syrian air power. But there is still the roadblock of American public opinion. I know many commentators here don't think that is a serious barrier to unilateral action. But consider that Obama is far weaker now than he was last August and September. His approval ratings are at his lowest; W. was more popular in his fifth year. It is an election year in the U.S. Obama would be destroying Democrat chances to pick up any seats. Plus, impeachment would be a real possibility -- disaffected Dems coupling with Tea Party Republicans in the House.

Posted by: Mike Maloney | Feb 14 2014 19:25 utc | 27

the comment from the guardian is worth posting if the article isnt

nether
14 February 2014 11:12am

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Philip Agee, 'Inside the Company' is a very good read in describe what role the CIA had in creating 'discontent' to try and overthrow a government the US disliked. This story will run because it is in the economic and political interests of the US to get rid of any government that stands up to it. There will be big Goebbels lies about how 'authoritarian' the Venezuelan is and how they are instigating and encouraging 'violence' against 'ligitimate protesters'.
http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/feb/14/venezuela-violent-clashes-chavistas-opposition

Posted by: brian | Feb 14 2014 23:10 utc | 28

http://www.paulcraigroberts.org/2014/02/14/russia-attack-paul-craig-roberts/
The Russian government (and also the government of Ukraine) foolishly permitted large numbers of US funded NGOs to operate as Washington’s agents under cover of “human rights organizations,” “building democracy,” etc. The “pussy riot” event was an operation designed to put Putin and Russia in a bad light. (The women were useful dupes.) The Western media attacks on the Sochi Olympics are part of the ridiculing and demonizing of Putin and Russia. Washington is determined that Putin and Russia will not be permitted any appearance of success in any area, whether diplomacy, sports, or human rights.

The American media is a Ministry of Propaganda for the government and the corporations and helps Washington paint Russia in bad colors. Stephen F. Cohen accurately describes US media coverage of Russia as a “tsunami of shamefully unprofessional and politically inflammatory articles.” http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article37635.htm

Posted by: brian | Feb 15 2014 0:00 utc | 29

http://www.amazon.com/Jewish-History-Religion-Israel-Shahak/dp/074530818X


anti-Semitism, so-called, has something to do with rabbinical anti-Europeanism.

Posted by: amspirnational | Feb 15 2014 1:21 utc | 30

I was referring to commentS on prior threads.
Posted by: Watson | Feb 14, 2014 1:40:41 PM | 24

As J McEnroe famously said "You cannot be serious!!?".
Show some gumption/honesty and be more specific. Today, you're the only person who knows what you're talking about.
Thread nameS and comment numberS would suffice.

Posted by: Hoarsewhisperer | Feb 15 2014 1:42 utc | 31

Kerry Calls Syria's Crisis 'Grotesque' NBCNews.com 20:46

It should be Syrians calling Kerry "Grotesque".

Posted by: Virgile | Feb 15 2014 2:07 utc | 32

12 denk

SOW, Guam's Republican Governor Calvo is up for re-election, and proposes granting 45% pay increases to GovGuam employees, of course, tiered towards the managers, and teared against the line workers. This now after he was elected on a Romney-ite 'structural adjustments' platform to 'reform Guam's economic situation' ... which he did immediately upon being selected by floating Goldman Sachs buyout bonds towards privatizing the island, so that now Guam is 145% of GDP in debt, banking on the Okinawi-Guam Relocation $11B greedfest.

That Defense (sic) $11B 'Pivot to Asia', if you read the fine print, is no pivot at all, and will doubtless 'cost creep' to $22B before it's over, not just Guam, but across SE Asia. We're even partnering with the PI in base construction again! To push P2A through the MIC Cabal, it had to be worded so that NO bases would be closed, NO ships or planes would be redeployed, and NO base operations contracts would be reduced of the 800 bases.

Instead the Atlantic 40:60 'pivot' to 60:40 Pacific Theatre will be accomplished through NEW ARMS BUILDUP of unneeded ships, planes, tanks, missi1es, in other words, the complete violation of the strategic arms limitations, the greatest arms buildup since the Cold War, and why WADC-NOVA points to China. The old 'shiney object' trick. Oh, look over there!

It's all being parted out now, all of it, like lions ravening over the corpse of a fallen roebuck. In the New Epochal Episteme of NeoLiberal Betrayal, Nakaima is a wanker.

"The Party seeks power entirely for its own sake. We are not interested in the good of others; we are interested solely in power. Not wealth or luxury or long life or happiness; only power, pure power. Power is not a means, it is an end." George Orwell, 1984

Fewer words?

"It's a Great Big Party ... and you ain't in it!" George Carlin, The Man

Posted by: Chip Nikh | Feb 15 2014 2:33 utc | 33

It is up to Watson of course wether he stays or he goes. And though I personally prefer the ethos of the JerseyJeffersonian. I'd have to know exactly what you, Watson, are referring to (Hoarsewhisperer is on the right track there) before commiserating, but I could certainly pick a few choice ones that irritate me regarding that same subject.

You are right that, in general, bigoted talk is music to the ears of the very powerful. It divides, and allows them to conquer. Though I'm not sure that, in today's world, your statement that "Jews are particularly at risk" holds as true as it did 70 years ago, it certainly would be foolish to ignore any kind of ethnic hatred and stereotyping. If only because it is just so damn useful to those who would control us all.

Posted by: guest77 | Feb 15 2014 3:13 utc | 34

Latest from Venezuela. It would be foolish to assume that the fascists are on the run, but it seems the protests are already beginning to die down. Capriles has even turned his back on them now.

Note the hints of those same dirty tricks - extremist groups using peaceful protests as a cover for violence, and mysterious shootings targeting both sides.

Yesterday interior affairs minister Miguel Rodriguez repeated government claims that street violence in Caracas on Wednesday was perpetrated by extremist opposition groups, which he called “a vanguard trained to generate acts of chaos and violence”.

Last night President Nicolas Maduro commented on the investigations underway into the violent clashes in Caracas on Wednesday. He said the deaths of an opposition protester, Basil Da Costa, and a pro-government activist, Juan Montoya, were both caused “by the same gun”.

http://venezuelanalysis.com/news/10354

This is what the Ukraine seems to have failed to do, though I don't know enough to say absolutely:

The Venezuelan president has also called on supporters to march in Caracas on Saturday. “The whole people of Caracas will mobilise against fascism, violence and coup plotting to demonstrate on the street that what we want is peace, living-together, democracy and socialism,” he said.

There was the shutdown of one TV station. No mention of for how long. This I feel this is legitimate. Venezuela is as saturated a media environment as it is possible to be, with the vast majority of the coverage is opposed to the government and in private hands. The shutting down, for a period, of particularly bad actors seems like legitimate move to me. Especially knowing that the government has funded large numbers of community access outlets (really, neighborhood based outlets), on both on radio and television.

At this point, defending the right of wealthy broadcasters (who have a near monopoly on media in some of these small countries) as "freedom of expression" is, to me, like defending the US Citizen's United decision calling it "the right to vote."

There is also controversy in Venezuela following the government’s decision on Wednesday to pull Colombian news channel NTN24 from the country’s cable services due to the manner in which it was covering the day’s activities.

Maduro defended the decision yesterday, arguing that the channel “tried to transmit the anxiety of a state coup like April 2002”. The president said he would, “defend [social] calm in Venezuela”, and that “no one from abroad” was going to come and “perturb” the country.

The decision provoked an angry response from NTN24 and some sectors within Venezuela. Claudia Garisatti, NTN24 director-general, said that decision was “openly, in the censorship of the free press, a violation of the right citizens have to inform themselves, and an attack on freedom of expression”.

Pro-government legislator Tania Díaz responded to the criticisms yesterday, stating that CNN and other international channels continue to transmit freely in Venezuela.

“There isn’t censorship...what wasn’t permitted this time, because we Venezuelans have a painful and lamentable experience of this, is that there was a live channel calling for agitation that was causing deaths in the centre of the city. That’s a very different situation,” argued the lawmaker.

Posted by: guest77 | Feb 15 2014 3:41 utc | 35

oops, that got well fucked up.

Latest from Venezuela. It would be foolish to assume that the fascists are on the run, but it seems the protests are already beginning to die down. That creep Capriles has even turned his back on them now.

Note the hints of those same dirty tricks we have seen in Ukraine and early in Syria - extremist groups using peaceful protests as a cover for violence, and mysterious shootings targeting both sides.


Yesterday interior affairs minister Miguel Rodriguez repeated government claims that street violence in Caracas on Wednesday was perpetrated by extremist opposition groups, which he called “a vanguard trained to generate acts of chaos and violence”.
Last night President Nicolas Maduro commented on the investigations underway into the violent clashes in Caracas on Wednesday. He said the deaths of an opposition protester, Basil Da Costa, and a pro-government activist, Juan Montoya, were both caused “by the same gun”.

This is what the Ukraine seems to have failed to do, though I don't know enough to say absolutely:


The Venezuelan president has also called on supporters to march in Caracas on Saturday. “The whole people of Caracas will mobilise against fascism, violence and coup plotting to demonstrate on the street that what we want is peace, living-together, democracy and socialism,” he said.

There was the shutdown of one TV station. No mention of for how long. This I feel this is legitimate. Venezuela is as saturated a media environment as it is possible to be, with the vast majority of the coverage is opposed to the government and in private hands. The shutting down, for a period, of particularly bad actors seems like legitimate move to me. Especially knowing that the government has funded large numbers of community access outlets (really, neighborhood based outlets), on both on radio and television.

At this point, defending the right of wealthy broadcasters (who have a near monopoly on media in some of these small countries) as "freedom of expression" is, to me, like defending the US Citizen's United decision calling it "the right to vote."

There is also controversy in Venezuela following the government’s decision on Wednesday to pull Colombian news channel NTN24 from the country’s cable services due to the manner in which it was covering the day’s activities. Maduro defended the decision yesterday, arguing that the channel “tried to transmit the anxiety of a state coup like April 2002”. The president said he would, “defend [social] calm in Venezuela”, and that “no one from abroad” was going to come and “perturb” the country.

The decision provoked an angry response from NTN24 and some sectors within Venezuela. Claudia Garisatti, NTN24 director-general, said that decision was “openly, in the censorship of the free press, a violation of the right citizens have to inform themselves, and an attack on freedom of expression”.

Pro-government legislator Tania Díaz responded to the criticisms yesterday, stating that CNN and other international channels continue to transmit freely in Venezuela.

“There isn’t censorship...what wasn’t permitted this time, because we Venezuelans have a painful and lamentable experience of this, is that there was a live channel calling for agitation that was causing deaths in the centre of the city. That’s a very different situation,” argued the lawmaker.

Posted by: guest77 | Feb 15 2014 3:44 utc | 36

Pirouz:

I'm curious, we discussed Hezbollah's stance regarding the so-called Sunni-Shia conflict. What do you feel about the Iranian Government's stance? Do you feel it is honestly in favor of Muslim unity or do you feel that, like the Saudis, it could cynically back a Sunni/Shia split if there was an advantage for the government?

Also for fun: I saw on PressTV that Iran is the rhinoplasty (nose job) capital of the world. What's that about?

Posted by: guest77 | Feb 15 2014 3:54 utc | 37

Chomsky: How to Destroy an Economy

Posted by: guest77 | Feb 15 2014 4:01 utc | 38

Chip Nikh 33

we all know that the amerikan military can never have enough *toys* to play with, right ?
but when even the admirals cried stop, what happen ?

navy
*we cannot afford this, we r broke !*

obama
*stop whinning ,
u give me a war, i'd provide the money*
http://tinyurl.com/8l4oyxb

Posted by: denk | Feb 15 2014 4:17 utc | 39

3) there is a late night show quote of the German ex-coordinator with the US Werner Weidenfeld (Kohl, Schröder) worth translation:

"In the 12 years I worked as coordinator with three US administrations ... when the US Americans agree with us they hug us so we get afraid they will break our ribs. When there is a disagreement on an issue of secondary importance they say 'we do not deserve this after having done so much for you, bringing democracy'. When there is a disagreement of utmost importance they bring up secret service information damaging to Germany and threaten us."

Posted by: somebody | Feb 15 2014 9:00 utc | 40

thailand and ukraine riots: who is behind them?
The minions of Soros and CIA popular uprising mastermind Gene Sharp of Cambridge, Massachusetts’s Einstein Institution, immediately took to Kyiv’s Maidan Square to call for the ouster of Yanukovych and his government after the deal with the EU was suspended by Yanukovych. It was recently revealed, thanks to the hacking of STRATFOR by America’s latest political prisoner, hacktivist Jeremy Hammond, that two Serbian groups organized by Sharp, Soros, and the CIA to overthrow Serbian president Slobodon Milosevic, OTPOR! and CANVAS (Center for Applied Nonviolent Action and Strategies), coordinated their strategies with the CIA-affiliated private intelligence group Strategic Forecasting, Inc. (STRATFOR).

CANVAS’s Srdja Popovic, a so-called pro-democracy agitator, was unmasked as a U.S. intelligence asset who avoided any activities that ran counter to U.S. policy, including any OTPOR! or CANVAS support for the Palestinian cause. STRATFOR is also close to the Israeli Mossad with its CEO, George Friedman, being a top defender of Israeli persecution of Palestinians and Israeli Arabs.

The uprising against Thai Prime Minister Yingluck Shinawatra, the sister of one-time Soros ally-turned-opponent. former Prime Minister Thaksin Shinawatra, ousted in a CIA-inspired military coup in 2006, is also inspired by elements aligned with Monsanto.

Whereas Ukraine is eastern Europe’s breadbasket, Thailand is Asia’s “rice bowl.” Yingluck has made several statements that any agreement on a Trans-Pacific Partnership (TPP) free trade zone must take into account the needs of Thailand’s farmers, who serve as the bedrock of popular support for Yingluck’s “Red Shirt” movement. After Yingluck came to the defense of Thailand’s farmers, who would oppose any attempt by Monsanto to introduce genetically-modified rice to the country (which previously occurred with Haiti, which saw its rice industry decimated), pro-royalist “Yellow Shirt” protesters took to the streets of Bangkok.

Bangkok became a replay of Maidan Square in Kyiv. Corporate-controlled “rent-a-mobs” demanded the resignations of the democratically-elected governments of Yanukovych and Yingluck. These attempted coups are formulated in the board rooms of Wall Street, with money from Monsanto, logistical support from the CIA, and mobs courtesy of the OTPOR!, CANVAS, Soros’s Open Society Institute, and National Endowment for Democracy agitation networks.

- See more at: http://www.intrepidreport.com/archives/11624#sthash.MnwuoXQ4.dpuf
http://www.intrepidreport.com/archives/11624

Posted by: brian | Feb 15 2014 9:31 utc | 41

This just in from Al Akhbar"
Saudi to provide mobile anti-aircraft missiles for Syrian rebels:

report published Saturday, February 15, 2014

Saudi Arabia has offered to provide Syrian armed opposition groups Chinese man-portable air defense systems, known as Manpads, and Russian antitank guided missiles, according to a report by The Wall Street Journal.

Citing unnamed Western and Arab diplomats, as well as Syrian opposition figures, the report noted that the move by Saudi Arabia came after a meeting between rebel leaders and various intelligence agents in Jordan on January 30 as the first round of Syrian peace talks in Geneva came to a close.

The weapons are planned to flow from Jordan and Turkey, and is expected to be of a "significant amount."

The report also noted that "the plan coincides with the reorganization of rebel forces in the south [of Syria], where 10,000 fighters have formed the Southern Front...to break the [Syrian] government's siege of the southern suburbs of Damascus.

The January 30 meeting also involved the delivery of payments in cash for salaries of the fighters in the Southern Front, totaling $3 million.

Al-Akhbar

Posted by: okie farmer | Feb 15 2014 14:13 utc | 42

guest;
In my opinion, the sole determinant of Iran's foreign policy is its security. It picks up allies based on what it sees as necessary or wise for its security. That is why you can find within the ranks of its allies on the one hand countries like venezuela and cuba and on the other hand Libyan rebels who overthrew Qaddafi (PressTV used to call them "Libyan revolutionaries").
*IF* Iran thinks that it would be beneficial to its security I don't think that it would have any problem in making deals with even Israel.
However I think, ever since 1990s, Iran sees the biggest threat to its security in this region a US/Israel hegemony. And that is the reason for its support for Assad in Syria. Some people such as Hamid Dabbashi (I am having difficulty in finding 'civilized' words to express the extreme level of my disapproval of that man) talk as if Iran was very scared of Arab Spring and that it gets spooked by any democratic movement. That's a load of pure non-sense (in fact it is historically WRONG as Iran supported both the movements in Tunisia and in Egypt). Iran would get spooked if there were a democratic movement inside Iran but it would not get spooked by a democratic movement outside of it; quite the opposite it may even find it very beneficial to its security because any democratic movement in the middle east INEVITABLLY HAS TO BE ANTI-US/ANTI-ISRAELI, and as I said before Iran sees Israeli/US hegemony the biggest threat to its security in this region.
That is why I believe that if indeed -as some people on the left claim- there had been truly democratic elements within the Syrian rebels, Iran would not be so hostile towards them (any democratic element in Syria, by the very definition has to be anti-Israeli). Iran strongly supports Assad government NOT because it is necessarily against a Sunni majority government in Syria or because it is afraid of a democratic development in Syria, but rather because it knows perfectly well that the alternative to Assad is a pro-Israeli puppet government. If tomorrow there would be a strongly anti-imperialist even a secular-socialist movement in Syria fighting against Assad, I would not be surprised to see Iran's position shift towards "neutrality" in the Syrian war.

So the main question should be -in my opinion- whether Iran sees a 'muslim unity' beneficial to its security or harmful? I think Iran sees Shia-Muslim divide as a Saudi project in line with further empowering US in this region and for that reason it finds it harmful to its security, but if somehow magically US were to weaken greatly and lose its military/economic leverage, I think Iran would have no problem in acting as sectarian as Saudies and crush the sunnies where ever it could.

Posted by: Pirouz_2 | Feb 15 2014 14:27 utc | 43

Al-Akhbar reports that the backer of terror inc., Saudis will be supplying Chinese manpads and Russian anti-tank missles to the terrorists in Syria. They also have agreed to set up a 10,000man souther front from Jordan. At the same time you got the western supporters of terror inc. US, Uk and France submitting a new UN resolution and Obomba is gone escalate US support of the rebels. The war against Syria is relentless and unless the resistance axis starts turning the screws directly inside Jordan and Saudi this will continue to escalate. Maybe a few Turkish Airline planes been shot down, will bring some sense to these morons.

Posted by: Irshad | Feb 15 2014 15:13 utc | 44

Sorry 42 - just saw your post!

Posted by: Irshad | Feb 15 2014 15:24 utc | 45

I have great difficulty making an analysis of Thailand. But this idea that Shinawatra is sort of a US asset gone bad, as suggested in @41, is very compelling.

After all, we saw the same in Honduras with Manuel Zelaya who, as I understand, came to power with no intention of ending the status quo, but ended up finding ALBA and the program of the Latin American Left so compelling that he began to implement it. He took it to the point of beginning to kick the US out of, I believe, their biggest Airbase in Latin America (?) at Soto Cano.

Zelaya was, of course, promptly taken out by a coup. The Obama administration pantomimed concern over this, but did nothing to prevent or reverse it.

Is there a similar dynamic occurring in Thailand. After all, we hear of course all the good things Shinawatra did for the rural people of Thailand (and some bad things) but we know too that he is a billionaire with at least some neoliberal leanings. And as for the protestors, we know that they are largely urbanized upper and middle class supporters of a very strict monarchy about which no criticism is allowed.

So, something to think about. It would demolish Eric Draitser's and other's pro-yellow shirt analysis of the situation.

Posted by: guest77 | Feb 15 2014 15:46 utc | 46

Ukraine, Immanuel Wallerstein spells it out:

http://www.commondreams.org/view/2014/02/15-3

It would be an interesting exercise to take Mr Pragma's contribution @26 and replace the word Jews by Scots or English or Dutch.
Bribery and usury are practices much more famously practised by western imperialists than "Jews", who in western Europe and north America are nothing more than one of many sub-sets in the imperial class structure.

As for their refusal to
" respect any local laws but try to establish special ones for themselves, who do not at all integrate in any society..."
you might want to ask an Indian about the Englishman's integration into Indian society, or an Annishnabe about the Europeans anxiety to fit in with native ways. As a matter of fact there are millions of people in Central Asia and the Caucasus who could inform us how the Russians have always excelled in the cherishing of local culture in the lands they have conquered.

Usury? Bribery? Aren't they associated, in the minds of most of the world not with Jews, Armenians, Parsees or Arabs from the Hadramhaut
but with Europeans and American creoles?

I am inclined to agree with Watson, the singling out of Jews as a uniquely criminal people, apart from being unfair and historically wrong merely tells us that those who so label them are generalising without anything close to comprehensive understanding.

The truth is that there is nothing very unusual about Jewish culture, there are hundreds like it, it just seems to be so among eurocentrists who live in an intellectual Pale about nine hundred miles in radius, centred somewhere near the Alps.
It will be a day or two before I read any comments on this.

Posted by: bevin | Feb 15 2014 15:51 utc | 47

@43, very interesting, thank you Pirouz.

"any democratic element in Syria, by the very definition has to be anti-Israeli"

This is very true, and applies all over the Arab world. And this is how we know that the US backing of the "Arab Spring democracy" was entirely a false gesture meant to take out independent leaders and replace them with puppets and, failing that, pure anarchy.

Tunisia is the interesting case here. It seems to be building the foundations of democracy though I would guess that the Europeans are slowly sinking their fangs into her economy. But it, of course, is no threat at all to Israeli or US interests.

Posted by: guest77 | Feb 15 2014 15:53 utc | 48

@bevin Interesting article. This hit home certainly:

Let us take a look at who is Victoria Nuland. She is a surviving member of the neocon clique that surrounded George W. Bush, in whose government she served. Her husband, Robert Kagan, is one of the best-known ideologues of the neocon group. It is an interesting question what she is doing in such a key position in the Department of State of an Obama presidency. The least he and U.S. Secretary of State John Kerry were supposed to do was to remove the neocons from such a role.

Obama has been a total failure - this drives the point home. If arresting Bush and Cheney was a bridge too far, could he not at least give their neocon friends their walking papers?

I truly find it hard to believe that, after the smothering of hope that the Obama administration represents, the next president from a major party - whoever it may be - will have any political capital at all. Obama, though he proved a total sham, at least ignited hope in some sectors of the country for some period of time. But Obama has worn that down to the nub. And as bad as it is riding out the rule this extended lame duck, the next president will begin as one. And who could it be? What name doesn't sound like slow death? Christie? Walker? Clinton?

It will be the same empty feeling the country had when Bush II came to office. There's that old feeling of being ruled by a government lightyears from the people along with the apathy of both the rulers and ruled, with nothing to do except to bicker about "liberal" and "conservative" while we are all slowly but surely robbed by the one ideology that rules us all - capitalism. Another inauguration that feels more like a funeral. And don't get me wrong, that feeling is there now, but when one realizes the new boss is going to be the same as the old boss... it somehow hurts a little more.

The fear has to be this: what's in the works to "reinspire" the American people to go to work for no reward, to pay their taxes to support a bloated military, to agree not to come outside when the city has to be on military lockdown to catch "a terrorist", and to wave the flag when they hear that the next small nation halfway across the globe has to be bombed?

Posted by: guest77 | Feb 15 2014 16:39 utc | 49

Guest;
Regarding the Iranian nose job:

We Iranians are famous for the "beauty" and the size of our noses. :)
So many people feel self-conscious about their noses in Iran. Therefore a lot of people run to surgery to lose some body weight by reducing the size of their nose! :) And in their quest to achieve "beauty" in line with their weird sense of aesthetic often they remove too much of the nose in a way that after the surgery one can hardly find any nose at all in their faces. So if you see an Iranian with an abnormally small nose you can be confident that (s)he has had a nose job (and likely (s)he supports the green movement!! LOL)

But joking aside, nose job -IMO- has become a sign of a person's class in Iran. Some people with even small noses go through surgery just to be fashionable and you can see MANY people on the streets of Tehran who proudly carry band-aids on what remains of their noses (as a 'proof' that they have just been through a nose-job surgery) just to show off and imply that they can afford a nose-job and therefore they are from the "upper class". Or at least that is the impression that I get and in my opinion it is a social sickness.

Posted by: Pirouz_2 | Feb 15 2014 17:03 utc | 51

@51 Very interesting. People are the same all over.

Posted by: guest77 | Feb 15 2014 17:10 utc | 52

It's always interesting to investigate exactly how government talking points make their way into the media. Here is one example:

Via Cryptome, a FOIA request regarding a "Publisher's Lunch" meeting between State Dept. officials, and the top brass at the NYTimes. This sheet is a memo from Clinton, giving talking points about Wikileaks to her underlings. Presumably, they made these points, to the New York Times over a nice lunch, who presumably were kind enough to reprint them.

It vaugely reminds me of the Zeitschriften-Dienst, a confidential newsletter that all German news editors received from the propaganda ministry during the Second World War. Each issue contained talking points on matters of the day which were to be included in their publications.

Posted by: guest77 | Feb 15 2014 17:38 utc | 53

@51 Hahaa, the link to the Green Movement is correct, no doubt. The same self-absorbed class that is rioting now in Venezuela.

The urban upper-middle classes seems to not understand the issues the rest of their countries are interested in. Even if they are staring, in the case of Venezuela, at huge shanty towns that surround their cities.

The first to demand "rights" for their violent protests and media domination, they urban well-off seem unable to grasp the concept when similar demands comes from their opponents.

Posted by: guest77 | Feb 15 2014 17:44 utc | 54

In South Africa the ruling ANC held an illegal march and members threw molotov cocktails at the police.

www.iol.co.za/news/politics/violence-halts-da-march-1.1645982#.Uv--lZiiWgY

Hundreds of t-shirt wearing ANC members illegally disrupted a legal opposition march. Most were carrying bricks, and several were carrying knobkieries, a walking stick banned as an illegal weapon during marches after the recent Marikana Massacre. Bricks are specifically excluded from the dangerous weapons ban. The DA had brought hards hats in anticipation of stone throwing, but were denied permission to do so by the police, because it was considered "provocative".

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Bga1lqsCAAALkXm.jpg

From the land of you can't make this shit up.

Posted by: david | Feb 15 2014 19:37 utc | 55

It would be an interesting exercise to take Mr Pragma's contribution @26 and replace the word Jews by Scots or English or Dutch.
Posted by: bevin | Feb 15, 2014 10:51:17 AM | 47

But not as interesting as taking bevin's contribution @ 47 and replacing the word bevin by Abe Foxman, Jeffrey Goldberg, Hasbara or Gatekeeper.

Watson's comment @ 8 was a snide and dishonest threat.
And you have the gall to defend it?
10/10 for Chutzpah.

Posted by: Hoarsewhisperer | Feb 15 2014 20:40 utc | 56

One can certainly be a Eurocentrist or a Eurasianist and a socialist--- and a socialist who has a problem with dual loyalty.

Posted by: amspirnational | Feb 15 2014 21:46 utc | 57

*“She expressed a great deal of interest in the environmental issues,” he said*

sigh,
Inamine san, u believe these imperial envoys ?
ever heard of white faced speaking in forked tongue ?

http://www.stripes.com/news/okinawa-mayor-plans-to-block-marine-base-says-re-election-gives-him-mandate-1.267385

Posted by: denk | Feb 16 2014 4:32 utc | 58

every time there's a coup, color rev, *popular uprising* , we think of cia, ned, usaid, aflo, etc , which is entirely understandable given their proven track record, but lets also give credit where its due, to the father of all color rev, george soros, hands on from day one, tam, myanmar, ex yugo n beyond....
http://globalresearch.ca/articles/MOW502A.html

Posted by: denk | Feb 16 2014 4:42 utc | 59

still cant post at atimes

Posted by: denk | Feb 16 2014 4:49 utc | 60

the evil vampire fukus's has many ways to *skin* any country that refuse to kowtow to its dictat, jihad terrorism, coups, r2p, drones, civil n ethnic unrest, to outright aggressions. u name it !
currently myanmar, thailand, laos, cambodia, ukraine, etc are all in turmoil, courtesy of the ned/soros tag team.
oops, almost forget, there's another *non lethal* but equally deadly weapon in fukusan arsenal.....the *human rights missile*
in case u havent noticed, fukus n its mouthpiece unhrc have been relentlessly targeting sri lanka, another china friendly country, for ....get this, *war crime violations*. [sic]
http://www.asiantribune.com/node/71226
as usual, the criminals themselves are holding court.
just goes to show that if ur the world's biggest n meanest mofo, u can get away with anything, anything. !

Posted by: denk | Feb 16 2014 6:14 utc | 61

World public opinion can, will, and is thrashing Israel over their treatment of Palestinians. Just like it did to South Africa over their treatment of Blacks. World public opinion will thrash Israel over its occupations, its land grabs, its bombing of civilians, its corruption of democracy with its lobbies, its Mossad murders, its nuclear weapons and everything else until - finally - it takes its place among the nations of the world not as "God's Chosen" but as one of many. But public opinion will never come around to thrashing them just because they are Jews.

So the question is, can you not separate the issue of Israel and Jews in your mind? Or do you, when someone comes here to argue about Syria, start calling them "Jewish"? Is that really the level you want to fight at? Because that is a level where they will win. And win easily.

It is your right, absolutely, to wonder - to yourself or aloud - about each Jews relationship to Israel. You are even right to question just how honest are their professed desires to see justice be served to the Palestinians, just as one might have wondered wether, during the Second World War, that old German man in the apartment across the hall might secretly be rooting for the Nazis. But you must let them answer the question, of course. And I suppose it would then be a measure of their honesty and your graciousness how much to take them at their word.

Because when one attempts to assign the guilt of particular acts of particular people to an entire ethnic group, this is called bigotry. This is a common enough vice, there is no question. But it has to ultimately, be rejected. Maybe it strikes you to kick your dog when you are angry. But you mustn't - assuming you want to have some dignity outside the realm of a few fellow proud dog kickers.

To call bevin and Watson all kinds of names for standing up for a common virtue - that they would apply to every group on the globe - is ridiculous. And mean. And bullshit.

Posted by: guest77 | Feb 16 2014 16:23 utc | 62

Unreported in the MSM outside of Germany
http://www.dw.de/martin-schulz-under-fire-after-israeli-palestinian-comments-in-the-knesset/a-17427061

Posted by: Mina | Feb 16 2014 16:58 utc | 63

".....but if this site is going to become a gathering place for ethnic blamers, i.e., folks who conflate anti-Arab Zionists with Israelis with Jews, then I’m out"'

Gee, I'm confused. I thought that racist and murderous little piece of shit sandbox WANTED to be known as "The Jewish State".

Posted by: PissedOffAmerican | Feb 16 2014 17:16 utc | 64

@63

Yup, it's always the fault of everybody else when Jews themselves conveniently jump back and forth - as the situation suits them - between what "Jewishness" is: religion or bloodline or nationality or political stance or blah blah blah.

No matter what position someone argues/takes it's always incorrect and open to charges of racism/ant-Semitism.

BTW, Watson's little post is one of the oldest hasbara templates I've encountered and this is going back more than a decade: praising the site, invoking the site owner and then telling him/her what should be allowed or not on their site as far as discourse goes. An ultimatum is always effective, too. Well, I'm never coming HERE again! chortle

If the tactic doesn't lead to the hoped for outright ban of certain posters at least it will probably lead to regular posters self-policing themselves and their own comments.

The more comments like this show up only points to the wider readership of MOA as it's now on someone's radar.

Posted by: JSorrentine | Feb 16 2014 17:56 utc | 65

Forbidden to dogs and Scots
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-scotland-politics-26215963

Posted by: Mina | Feb 16 2014 18:59 utc | 66

Adding:

And although Pragma may express himself less than eloquently at times, when an objective observer looks at this list of Jewish persecution events since 250 CE (this is from a Jewish site) it should not be considered out of bounds/antisemitic to wonder that instead of the entire planet being virulently antisemitic for the last 1500+ years maybe there is something inherent in Jewish culture - again, I don't believe Jews are a race so I am not talking about race - that would cause/lead to such situations.

Nope, everyone throughout world history has just hated the Jews for no reason whatsoever - across centuries, cultures, geographical location, etc - and the fact that there are hundred upon hundreds documented acts of persecution shouldn't make anyone wonder if thoughtless antisemitism is indeed the whole story.

Posted by: JSorrentine | Feb 16 2014 19:14 utc | 67

I'm ready to differentiate in a fine tuned way between "jewish" and "jewish state" incl. the zionist movement that perfidiously prepared the creation and unconditional defense of whatever heinous crimes that "jewish state" commits - as soon as israel stops to terrorize the world with all those "jewish" organisations like aipac and with memorials for the commercial holocaust enterprise.

Until then I will surpass israels level of differentiation by generously differentiating between single jews who happen to not support zionism and those jews who do support the criminal state - but I will call the jews "the jews" just as israel is calling itself "the jewish state" or "the state of the jews".

Feel free to play your cruel games with the masses you prodded, blackmailed, and brainwashed. But if you try them with myself you will find that readiness to deceive, to mass-murder, and to brutally suppress is no adequate substitute for intelligence or honesty.

And now, nuland yourself, friends of izrael!


Ceterum censeo israel americanamque delenda esse.

Posted by: Mr. Pragma | Feb 16 2014 19:22 utc | 68

One can explore then mainstream American "Classical Reform" Jewish documents from circa 1830-1880 in which Reform rabbis denounced Zionism and held specifically non-Jews would be right to question the worth of any Judaism which approved of Zionism and specifically the loyalty of any American Jews who were supporters of Zionism, which latter they held turned Judaism and Jewish identity into something subversive----Judaism as
a "people" and not a religion.

Posted by: truthbetold | Feb 16 2014 21:05 utc | 69

Kerry Pounds Shoe, Cries 'Climate Change' is 'WMD', Demands $1B Slush Fund

Meet the Press Stages 'AGW Debate' by TV Science Clown and Tennessee Repug

This rebuttal comment from Salon's readers says it all:

"Chinese climate scientists, who are every bit as qualified as American public grant dole scientists, (and not nearly as conflict-of-interested for taking $80B in Mil.Gov payola to push AGW scare) have determined after the most exhaustive statistically analysis yet accomplished, that any measured 'global warming', such as it is, is correlated highly to CFCs, and NOT to GHGs.

In fact, they found a 0.0 correlation between CO2 and 'global warming', as the last 17 years of zero warming have CLEARLY demonstrated. Not ONE of the IPCCs much vaunted 'climate change' models has proven accurate. NOT ONE!

What the Chinese did find, and you had to read fast or you'd miss it, because US MSM refuses to cover it, was a 97% correlation between CFCs already being phased out, and 'global warming'. So convincing was the analysis, that Obama immediately flew to China, and signed a CFC-limiting treaty increasing the phase out.

And what did the Chinese scientists predict? MORE COLD WEATHER. In fact, between phasing out CFCs and the current solar mininum, they predict GREATLY colder weather, completely wiping out the ~1 degree temperature rise since the Civil War.

This is born out entirely in FACT. NOAA reported that Winter 2013 was the coldest winter in 30 years for the Northern Hemisphere, down -1.9 degree in a single year! And NOAA will surely report 2014 is the coldest winter in 50 years, as temperatures are falling even into the TROPICS now. Taiwan, usually in the 70s, is in the 50s, and further south, in the Pacific islands where temperatures run in the 90s, this week, they failed to break 80.

So you can take IPCC and their failed synthetic climate projections and Kerry's bombastic 'WMD' comparison, so remininiscent of Cheny pounded the podium with his shoe, ... or you can take China's careful statistical analysis to a 17-degree polynomial, that almost exactly matches the measured variation in global warming and cooling, and which predicts a 'New Ice Age', entirely without any contribution from GHG fossil fuels.

Now why would Mil.Gov.Sci.Edu. put a carbon tithe license fee on keeping warm? Hmm?"

Posted by: Chip Nikh | Feb 16 2014 21:07 utc | 70

Just btw.: What is "jewish" resp. "judaism"?

Is it what jews in Ethiopia practice and are, namely an ancient, "pure" old-testamentarian based judaism without rabbis and with priests?
Or the talmud infested babylon rooted judaism with rabbis (and lots of despise and even hatred for other religions) that, however, bluntly rejects zionism and israel and calls it devils work?
Or the mass-murderous, brainwashing, deceiving, blackmailing variant that is manifested in the "state of the jews"?
Or yet something else?

Posted by: Mr. Pragma | Feb 16 2014 21:17 utc | 71

When I observe the majority of American Jews decrying the despicable policies of Israel, then I will be able to absolve them of possessing the utter lack of character required to condone, justify, or rationalize Israeli policy. I place the same criteria on the Jews of Israel, only more so, as they are actual participants in thier nation's treatment of the Palestinians. Me, I'm sick to death of having to do a dance of semantics in my criticism of a nation of people who seem to want me to ignore the very mantle they've assigned themselves while they murder, oppress, starve, poison and rob the Palestinians. It ain't martians deciding Israeli policies, its Jews. And they are doing it as a self proffessed "Jewish" act, demonstrated by thier desire to be known as "the Jewish State".

Are there exceptions that are not deserving of my disdain?? Well, not near many enough, as proven by the very existence of organizations such as AIPAC, and the ACTUAL ACTS of the Jewish State. When Jews stop earning my disdain, then I will gladly stop giving it. But until the majority bands together and demonstrates that they have the moral courage to tell Israel "NO MORE!!, then fuck 'em. Until that day, I'll consider Dershowitz their poster child.

Posted by: PissedOffAmerican | Feb 16 2014 21:29 utc | 72

It's not so long ago that "Israelis" (i.e. Jews) were assuring us that Collective Punishment of Palestinians for being Palestinian, regardless of guilt or innocence, was a noble concept. The problem defenders of Israel now face is that they have endorsed collective punishment. And until "Israelis" reject collective punishment, their justification of it will continue to haunt Jews, collectively, if only because "Israel" is a Jewish State.

Posted by: Hoarsewhisperer | Feb 17 2014 4:13 utc | 73

Nice to see the two dishonest resident professional CommuNazis out "Anti-Semite hunting" again.

That is surely what this site needs more of - a big row about De JUICE!! and how downtrodden they are - Well Done CommuNazis!

Posted by: LMAO | Feb 17 2014 11:22 utc | 74

The Jewish power structure scatters lowest-level Jewish functionaries all over the world, usually Lubavitchers, whose job is to make pricks of themselves in the most conspicuous way, ostensibly ‘defending’ microscopic Jewish enclaves of 40 or 50 families which again have no say in the matter – all of this precisely so that from time to time, some exasperated wingnut should take a swipe at them. Then the Jewish pseudo-Left and their fellow-travellers (of whom there are many, in fact the entire liberal establishment) can wheel out all their unreconstructed 1930s Popular Front exhortations; “We, the toiling masses of the world, stand four-square behind the poor persecuted Jews – we must oppose the neo-Nazi front that targets Jews everywhere just because of the colour of their skin” and so on, all of which is utter balls and synthetically maintained to create a pseudo-leftist time warp.

Posted by: Rowan Berkeley | Feb 17 2014 16:22 utc | 75

Hey, but it's all good!

I mean "12 Years a Slave" produced by traitorous Israeli spy Arnon Milchan just won the BAFTA awards for Best Picture and I'm sure will pick up an Oscar as well.

What a great life! Stealing nuclear secrets for the apartheid genocidal state of Israel and you get movie awards and admiration. What a sucker Pollard is. Hey, maybe when the traitorous Zionist US scum let HIM out he can become an Hollywood mogul as well!

Posted by: JSorrentine | Feb 17 2014 16:47 utc | 76

Good article on Israel from today:

The terrible bloody war in Iraq was almost exclusively for Israel’s benefit. The Syrian “civil war” is a deliberately-engineered conflict for Israel’s benefit. The coup in Egypt, wiping away the sacrifice of thousands of Egyptians in a revolution for democracy and restoring a junta, again reflects Israel’s interests in the region. The constant threats and needless hardships imposed upon Iran, a country which has no modern history of aggression and which every intelligence service knows has not been working towards nuclear weapons, reflects yet the same interest. Indeed, so determined is the government of Israel to keep this huge country pinned down that it pulled out all stops in using its immense congressional influence trying to embarrass the President and prevent a sensible international agreement with Iran. And, more ominously, Netanyahu has threatened countless times to attack Iran, knowing full well that the United States would be forced to come to his assistance when Iran struck back, as it would have every right to do.

But it is not just constant wars and threats of wars, the liberal use of extreme force against the interests of others, which make modern Israel perhaps the greatest threat to peace on the planet. The effects of America’s unprecedented and inappropriate relationship with Israel have corroded badly the values and meaning of American society. America’s democratic government, always rather fragile at best, is literally becoming hollowed out. Today America copies a great deal of the ugly garrison state practices of Israel: aggressive and intrusive intelligence, anti-democratic laws, police and security being given close to a free hand in attacking human rights, secret prisons, and even extrajudicial killing on a large scale. The President speaks of governing by “presidential order” rather than by legislation, the intelligence establishment ignores the Constitution and the courts, the “homeland” security establishment heavily arms itself against public disorder, and even military men make the odd public reference to military government in an emergency. Where is the Constitution with its crucial Bill of Rights in all this? Cut in scraps lying on the floor like snippets from a film-editor’s work.

Posted by: JSorrentine | Feb 17 2014 17:37 utc | 77

http://rt.com/news/snowden-lawyer-heathrow-airport-346/
Humiliating ordeal: Snowden's lawyer 'harassed' at Heathrow Airport

Posted by: Mina | Feb 17 2014 18:52 utc | 78

Talking about insultingly dishonest crap...
We in Oz are being suffocated under a deluge of UNHRC bullshit about N.K.
I was watching a UK-produced anti-North Korea hit-piece last night on ABC.au (Oz's largely co-opted BBC anti-Assad equivalent), touting Yankee judgements of NK and calling for Kim Jong Un to be dragged in chains to the Hague, for HR violations...
http://www.abc.net.au/4corners/stories/2014/02/17/3944138.htm

...and couldn't help noticing that the "crimes" of which NK is accused have either been committed by the US, all over the world, or can be seen as the intended consequences of Western sanctions (which are ALWAYS intended to target the lives of ordinary people).

Anyhow, I was thinking "when will this doco come up with something the US/UK hasn't done many times to 'other people's people'?"
But, of course, it didn't.

This morning, I found this...
UN Report on N Korea could be about US or S Korea
http://gowans.wordpress.com/2014/02/18/un-report-on-north-korea-could-be-about-the-united-states-or-south-korea/

... which highlights ALL the major flaws.

Anyone who thinks the US/UK aren't in deep shit with all their SNAFUs going pear-shaped isn't paying attention. This kind of desperate, vacuous anti-NK exercise in 'strategic deflection' merely emphasises the fact.

Posted by: Hoarsewhisperer | Feb 19 2014 2:14 utc | 79

Oh Rowan, that's a mighty lot of horseshit to cover for the fact that you blew a perfect chance to destroy "unrepentant Marxist" Louis Proyect on what, lately at least, is the central topic of this blog - Syria - by beginning the argument by saying "You're Jewish!" or some such dull shit.

And don't confuse this with a defense of that asshole. This is simply to ask: what exactly was the point of all that again Rowan? When we could have wiped the floor with him regarding the facts on the ground in Syria?

Or am I the outlier here. Everyone else thought that was brilliant, is that right?

Posted by: guest77 | Feb 19 2014 3:42 utc | 80

Arundhati Roy,
*Exposing Western hypocrisy - how much more exposed can they be? Which decent human being on Earth harbours any illusions about it? These are people whose histories are spongy with the blood of others. Colonialism, apartheid, slavery, ethnic cleansing, germ warfare, chemical weapons - they virtually
invented it all. They have plundered nations, snuffed out civilisations, exterminated entire populations. They stand on the world's stage stark naked but entirely unembarrassed, because they know that they have more money, more food and bigger bombs than anybody else*

hmm, germ warfare ?

h7n9 , the latest *edition* of the hxnx virus is rampaging thru greater china, hk n......sk !!!
i've posed this question many times before, why do sars, bird flu, swine flu always *pick on* the chinese ? [1]

the *easy* answer, as peddled by all the msm presstitudes n most alternate sites, says china's sanitary condition sucks, thats why.

which begs the question, why are singapore, sk, japan, all with first world hygiene n medical facilities, also infected ?
whereas india, whose condition is even worse than china, are practically immune ?
[ india practically gloated when it got its first sars case !!]

**************************************************
a glimpse at the above mentioned countries' relative hygienic standing....

*japan [1st world standard]
*sk

*singapore


*china


india.
***********************************************
* denotes hxnx infested countries.
surely the hygiene narrative doesnt hold water
so is it just the chinese ass luck that these exotic virus seem to have a fancy for their dna ?

or, as many have already broken the taboo n spoken out, are these designer virus specifically targeting the chinese [2] ?

but is there such a thing as *ethnic specific bioweapon* ?

no need to speculate here, from the pnac manifesto.....[3]


*iraq check
*spotlights China for 'regime change' saying 'it is time to increase the presence of American forces in southeast Asia check
* creation of 'US Space Forces', to dominate space, and the total control of cyberspace to prevent 'enemies' using the internet against the US check
*pinpoints North Korea, Libya, Syria and Iran as dangerous regimes and says their existence justifies the creation of a 'world-wide command-and-control system' check
* advanced forms of biological warfare that can 'target' specific genotypes may transform biological warfare from the realm of terror to a politically useful tool'
.........check ???

in 2004, we had a warning from insiders....
*the British Medical Association warned that the world was perhaps only a few years away from “terrifying biological weapons capable of killing only people of specific ethnic groups,” citing advances in genetic weapons technology. * [4]

in 2011, we had the confirmation.
birdflu had been weaponised in two private labs !!
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-2063326/Scientists-mutate-bird-flu-make-MORE-contagious--critics-claim-bioweapon-kept-secret.html

we can safely assume that in any scientific field, military technology leads the civie sector by at least a decade, if the weaponisation of virus had been done in private labs, u can bet pentagoons already had that in their arsenal. !

dont have to take my words for it, this is right out of the horse mouth...
in 1997, us defence [sic] secretary larry cohen, that cocky sob, told janes weekly ....
*there'r 'certain types of pathogens that would be ethnic specific so that they could eliminate certain ethnic groups or races. the science community is 'very close' to being able to manufacture 'genetically engineered pathogens that could be ethnically specific !!! [5]

defence [sic] sec cohen should know, didnt he ?

barely six yrs later, the world's first *ethnic specific virus*, sars, hit china, tw, singapore etc.

all signs point to the muricuns had developed *ethnic bombs* around 2000.
the only remaining question now....
did the evil vampire attack china with biowarfare ???

col dai of pla thought so...
*Colonel Dai Xu of the People's Liberation Army said in early April that H7N9 was a bio-psychological weapon engineered by western powers and released in China in order to destabilize the region. His comments were dismissed by the Chinese government, but behind the scenes many people think he may be correct* [6]

unlike the muricuns, chinese leaders have never been known to make frivilous charge against foreign countries before.
so when someone of col dai's stature made an open allegation like this, u sit up n listen.
[trust the ruling elites to play down the allegation, many are so cowed by the muricuns or prolly already co-opted anyway, ]

*In October 2003, Tong Zeng, a Chinese lawyer and a volunteer in a 1998 Chinese-American medical cooperation program, published a book that again speculated that SARS could be a biological weapon developed by the United States against China. In the book, Tong disclosed that in the 1990s, many American research groups collected thousands of blood and DNA samples and specimens of mainland Chinese (including 5,000 DNA samples from twins) through numerous joint research projects carried out in China. These samples were then sent back to the United States for further research, and could be used in developing biological weapons targeting Chinese. These samples came from 22 provinces in China, all of which were hit by SARS in 2003. Only provinces like Yunnan, Guizhou, Hainan, Tibet, and Xinjiang were left out, and all these provinces suffered less severely during the SARS outbreak. The author suspects that Japan is also involved, as many Japanese factories in Guangdong in the 1990s made it compulsory for all workers to have blood tests in the factory annually, rather than asking workers to go to local hospitals for blood tests and a proper physical examination [7]

*However, Tong Zeng admits that these are only speculations, and he does not have any concrete proof from the study of the virus's genetic sequence.*

i'd say its a very educated guess, an extemely plausible scenario considering the myriad circumstantial evidences.
*u bet the muricuns had the motive,
*they had the means,
*their sordid record of overt, covert attack on china is well documented.
*the chinese have been plagued by apparently ethnic specific virus since the appearance of sars in 2003.

it it walks like duck, quacks like a duck.........

if true it wouldnt be the first time murikka n japan Corroborating in bioweapons *project* [and a whole lot of other shits],the post war muricun bioweapon program was built on the basis of the notorious unit 731 [8] from japanese occupied manchuria. the jap war criminals shared their dark secrets with the muricuns in exchange for immunity from war crime prosecution at the nuremberg trial.
win win for the two democrazies.

h7n9 strike just when the *asia pivot* is in full swing, as muricuns raced to the pacific rim together with its japanese catpaw, to impact escalating aggressions on the korean penensula, scs, ecs.

In the days preceding the emergence of the first SARS cases, American raced to the Pacific Rim to impact escalating aggressions on the Korean peninsula.

see the pattern ?

[1]
*When I saw this map, reality reached up and smacked me in the face! The distribution of SARS cases certainly seemed to indicate that it was a genetic disease targeting only Asians. *
http://www.cuttingedge.org/news/n1812.cfm

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/shared/spl/hi/world/05/bird_flu_map/html/1.stm
*on top left, click bird flu outbreaks, on to right, leave it at jan-jun 2004 on botton left, click *show country name*

[2]
*After Chinese PLA Colonel Dai Xu posted a scathing attack on the United States,accusing the primary global power of releasing H7N9 as a bioweapon on the mainland of China, the U.S. was quick to respond, denying the allegations.

However, Dai Xu's accusation, posted on the Chinese microblog Sina Weibu, brings up an inconvenient fact. The United States has already been documented as violating the international biological weapons treaty, known as the BWC and has launched a covert program of offensive biological warfare research.
..........................
a well-connected U.S. microbiologist stated that he believed that the United States was launching a covert program of biological warfare which would selectively impact designated target groups. He also stated concerns as to H7N9 being one of the tools which could be used to accomplish a genocidal agenda*
http://www.activistpost.com/2013/05/united-states-accused-of-planting-avian.html

on sars......
*How convenient that Asia, and China in particular, is said to be the origin of this North American scourge at a time when Chinese-Anglo-American relations are strained to say the least.

In the days preceding the emergence of the first SARS cases, American raced to the Pacific Rim to impact escalating aggressions on the Korean peninsula.

Communist China-a "most favored" trading partner with America, is politically allied with several American enemies, including those said to possess weapons of mass destruction, including Iraq. Coincidental? Not likely when viewing the larger political picture involving the Ango-American oligarchy's RMA and instigated "conflicts short of war."

Ultimately, "We the People" have become the greatest victims of this latest fright, and the larger political agendas it serves.

The U.S. Army's 6th top biological weapons contractor in 1969-1970 prepared mutants of influenza and para-influenza viruses recombined with acute lymphocytic leukemia viruses. In other words, how would you like to have a strain of the flu that spreads quick killing cancer by sneezing?
http://rense.com/general36/scam.htm

sars made in usa ?
http://www.indymedia.org.uk/en/2003/05/67044.html

SARS AS ECONOMIC WARFARE

May 12. Toronto will suffer half a billion dollars worth of lost business. Economies in Taiwan, Hong Kong, Singapore, and mainland China are taking heavy hits.

Global airline $$ have fallen off.
http://www.whale.to/v/sars1.html

A lot of issues need to be swept under the carpet---and poof, along comes SARS.

Whether or not its appearance was coordinated, up front, to coincide with these scandals and tragedies in Iraq, one thing is for sure. SARS has been used as a smokescreen to keep the global public diverted and in fear
http://www.whale.to/a/sarsop.html

from indonedia..
http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/february2008/022108_bird_flu.htm


[3]
http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article1221.htm

[4]
http://www.globalresearch.ca/the-pentagon-s-alarming-project-avian-flu-biowar-vaccine/9833


[5] http://www.sott.net/article/212776-Ethnic-specific-weapons-The-real-story-behind-the-murder-of-Dr-David-Kelly

[6]
http://www.naturalnews.com/040059_h7n9_bird_flu_china.html

[7]
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SARS_conspiracy_theory !!!

[8]
http://nihongonews.wordpress.com/2013/05/19/abe-at-it-again/

Posted by: denk | Feb 19 2014 8:13 utc | 81

The sad twat seems determined to start a fight with someone, anyone. The wife must have passed out from the abuse so now hes off to moa to beat up on a few penioners. Cos thats how he rolls!

" de jews" need never fear

The internets toughest tuff guy  ™ ® is here
A real simon weisenthal, and every bit as honest as old simon

Posted by: LMAO | Feb 19 2014 10:32 utc | 82

penioners=pensioners

Posted by: LMAO | Feb 19 2014 12:47 utc | 83

Very interesting: Norman Finkelstein in Iran

Posted by: Pirouz_2 | Feb 20 2014 0:27 utc | 84

In the link that I gave in my previous comment, I especially recommend the video clip of Finkelstein's conversation regarding the academic freedom in USA:

" Academic Liberty: Norman Finkelstein with Dr. Hossein Allah Karam (the Head of the Institute of American Studies)"

In the place where I first heard about Finkelstein's visit to Iran I heard a rumor that he may be looking for a possibility to teach in an Iranian university.
*IF* that is true, I most certainly hope that he will be able to get the job, because of several reasons one of which being that it would be a blessing for the Iranian university students.
Assuming that the rumor that I have heard is correct and I sort of doubt it but if it is correct, there will be one big motivation for hiring him and also one big disadvantage in hiring him.
The motivation would be the PR value that this action would have: the radical leftist academician who was denied tenureship in a US university (with all its big talks about academic freedom and the freedom of expression) based on his political views has been offered a job in a university in the Islamic Republic which the West accuses of an absolute lack of freedom of expression. It will be a PR trump card that the Iranian politicians will be able (and they will) to use on every occasion against the hypocrites in the West.
The draw back on the other hand would be that he would almost certainly be breaking some sensitive taboos in Iran regarding the academic freedom and the freedom of expression, and it will be extremely scandalous to get rid of him after hiring him so he will be in a position to do certain things which other academicians will most likely not be able to do.

Posted by: Pirouz_2 | Feb 20 2014 3:52 utc | 85


2011
Hillary Clinton,the the next potus,
*the emerging gene synthesis industry is making genetic material more widely available […] A crude but effective terrorist weapon can be made using a small sample of any number of widely available pathogens, inexpensive equipment, and college-level chemistry and biology.* [5]

if its a no brainer for any college kid, what about the pentagoons ? ;-)

to hell with pentagoon, havent u heard about the al qaeda ?
*the exponential increase in computational power combined with the accessibility
of genetic information and biological tools to the general public and lack of governmental regulation raise concerns about the threat of biowarfare arising from outside the military (7). The US government has cited the efforts of terrorist networks, such as al Qaida, to recruit scientists capable of creating bioweapons as a national security concern ;-)
[ no need to worry as long as the virus are with the military, but once the al qaeda get their hands on it there'll be big trouble ...! lol]

see the pattern ?
the usg warning about an impending terrarist attack, whether its cyber, bio or bomber, perpetrated by players *outside the military* such as the al aqaeda

by now we should know enough not to take such warning lightly, [9]as for whether its players outside the military perpetrating the terrarism...... ?
hehehe.

clinton is way behind the curve on ethnic bomb.

to get an idea,
in 1997, as defence [sic] sec larry cohen told janes weekly twice
*there'r 'certain types of pathogens that would be ethnic specific so that they could eliminate certain ethnic groups or races. the science community is 'very close' to being able to manufacture 'genetically engineered pathogens that could be ethnically specific !!!

in 2002, biological warfare expert [aka an asshole] Dr. Steven Block,
*genetically engineered pathogens “could be made safer to handle, easier to distribute, capable of ethnic specificity* [2]

was sars the first field test of the ethnic bomb ?
afaic, its a no brainer, mdm sec clinton !

one more thought.
*was the British bioweapons expert Dr. David Kelly, who leaked information to the press that the British and American governments had falsified the case for the 2003 invasion of Iraq, murdered for exposing the fraudulent evidence for war or worse, planning an exposé on the West’s continued development of offensive biological weapons?*
.........
Kelly had worked with two American scientists, Benito Que and Don Wiley, who also turned up dead under highly suspicious circumstances.
............
As it turned out, the pair were “engaged in DNA sequencing that could provide ‘a genetic marker based on genetic profiling’.” Thomas writes: “The research could play an important role in developing weaponized pathogens to hit selected groups of humans–identifying them by race. Two years ago, both men were found dead, in circumstances never fully explained.”

Coincidence, or something more sinister?*
http://dissidentvoice.org/2009/07/was-dr-david-kelly-a-target-of-dick-cheneys-executive-assassination-ring/


the First World War was chemical; the Second World War was nuclear; and that the Third World War – God forbid – will be biological

http://dujs.dartmouth.edu/applied_sciences/genetically-engineered-bioweapons-a-new-breed-of-weapons-for-modern-warfare#.UwOa-c6MXBI

Posted by: denk | Feb 21 2014 15:45 utc | 86

for guest77, bevin etc.

http://21centurymanifesto.wordpress.com/2014/02/15/alexis-tsipras-a-greek-obama/

Tsípras: ‘a Greek Obama’

Posted by: Cu Chulainn | Feb 23 2014 11:01 utc | 87

The latest info released by the Snowden/Greenwald team:

How Covert Agents Infiltrate the Internet to Manipulate, Deceive, and Destroy Reputations

[...] By publishing these stories one by one, our NBC reporting highlighted some of the key, discrete revelations: the monitoring of YouTube and Blogger, the targeting of Anonymous with the very same DDoS attacks they accuse “hacktivists” of using, the use of “honey traps” (luring people into compromising situations using sex) and destructive viruses. But, here, I want to focus and elaborate on the overarching point revealed by all of these documents: namely, that these agencies are attempting to control, infiltrate, manipulate, and warp online discourse, and in doing so, are compromising the integrity of the internet itself.

Among the core self-identified purposes of JTRIG are two tactics: (1) to inject all sorts of false material onto the internet in order to destroy the reputation of its targets; and (2) to use social sciences and other techniques to manipulate online discourse and activism to generate outcomes it considers desirable. To see how extremist these programs are, just consider the tactics they boast of using to achieve those ends: “false flag operations” (posting material to the internet and falsely attributing it to someone else), fake victim blog posts (pretending to be a victim of the individual whose reputation they want to destroy), and posting “negative information” on various forums. Here is one illustrative list of tactics from the latest GCHQ document we’re publishing today: [...]

Makes one wonder if they have someone assigned to to muddy the waters at MoA.

Posted by: Juan Moment | Feb 25 2014 5:33 utc | 88

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