Moon of Alabama Brecht quote
February 21, 2014

Anti-China CIA Asset Meets Obama

Obama to meet with Dalai Lama at White House in move certain to irritate China

BEIJING — The Dalai Lama is scheduled to meet President Barack Obama at the White House on Friday morning - their third meeting in four years ...
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While the Dalai Lama is being careful not to say things in public that could harm his people back in Tibet, the subject of human rights is likely to come up at the White House. “We are concerned about continuing tensions and the deteriorating human rights situation in Tibetan areas of China,” Caitlin Hayden, a spokeswoman for the White House National Security Council, said in a statement Thursday. She added the United States continues to supports the Dalai Lama’s “middle way” approach to Tibet, which advocates neither assimilation nor independence for Tibetans in Tibet.

Three meeting in four years are more than what senior NATO ally head of states can expect. It is also seriously damaging the relations with China. Why is Obama so eager to meet the Dalai Lama? What does "continue to support the Dalai Lama" mean? Continued, by the way, since the early 1950s ...

The Dalai Lama's administration acknowledged today that it received $1.7 million a year in the 1960's from the Central Intelligence Agency, but denied reports that the Tibetan leader benefited personally from an annual subsidy of $180,000.

The money allocated for the resistance movement was spent on training volunteers and paying for guerrilla operations against the Chinese, the Tibetan government-in-exile said in a statement. It added that the subsidy earmarked for the Dalai Lama was spent on setting up offices in Geneva and New York and on international lobbying.

The Dalai Lama, 63, a revered spiritual leader both in his Himalayan homeland and in Western nations, fled Tibet in 1959 after a failed uprising against a Chinese military occupation, which began in 1950.

The National Endowment for Democracy, a CIA related, Congress funded venture, is still spending lots of money on Tibetan groups related to the Dalai Lama. And that is only the publicly acknowledged part.

The people the Dalai Lama leads are, like the Jihadists in Libya and Syria and the Fascists in the Ukraine, very reactionary forces. Even their functionaries have to admit that the old society they wish to somewhat reestablish was an authoritarian, backward mess:

[A]ccording to the Chinese version of Tibet's history, before its "peaceful liberation" in 1951 (when Tibet was required to recognize Chinese sovereignty), Tibet was a benighted place where a few "feudal" and "reactionary" aristocrats together with monks oppressed a majority population of serfs and slaves, mostly by addling their minds with ritual and superstition. This may sound like Communist propaganda, but Chen Kuiyuan, one of the Chinese technocrats to have ruled Tibet in recent years, didn't exaggerate much when he pointed out in a 1997 speech that "when the Dalai ruled Tibet, there was not a single regular school; children of the working people had no right or opportunity to receive an education, and more than 90 percent of the Tibetan people were illiterate."

Even Samdhong Rinpoche admits this is true ...

How come this CIA asset gets three meetings in four years with this president? Are they cooking up something new against China? A Color Revolution 2.0 scenario like in Libya, Syria, Venezuela and Ukraine?

 

Posted by b on February 21, 2014 at 6:22 UTC | Permalink

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The Chinese must have seen this coming. Yesterday, a top dog in China went out of his way to criticise US satrap, Australia, for its appalling treatment of asylum seekers. And, considering "our" crimes against them, his criticism was mild and understated.

Posted by: Hoarsewhisperer | Feb 21 2014 6:40 utc | 1

Is it just me, or is there a weird symmetrical resonance to "Lama Meets Obama"?

Posted by: Hoarsewhisperer | Feb 21 2014 6:48 utc | 2

Global coup.

Quick name a country not financially and 'philosophically' tied to the US that isn't having mayhem-on-call visited upon it.

Posted by: L Bean | Feb 21 2014 7:00 utc | 3

Obama & his ‘realists’ want to avoid appearing as ‘soft on the PRC’. Read, if you haven’t yet, the Chinahand reports for the games being played in East-Asia (seen from the center of the world here on the western beaches of Japan, his analysis is fairly accurate, albeit a bit too much US centric).

Attempts at colour revolutions will come, in a few years time (of course, a bit more unrest in Lhasha is never a bad thing…).

Posted by: Philippe | Feb 21 2014 7:56 utc | 4

I do like the quote that the Dalai Lama "fled Tibet in 1959 after a failed uprising against a Chinese military occupation, which began in 1950".

Hmmmmmm. The very definition of a "military occupation" precludes a sovereign power from "occupying" its own sovereign territory.

Martial law, sure, that's possible.
Military dictatorship, yeah, been there done that.

But a sovereign imposing a military occupation upon its own sovereign territory?
No, that's a contradiction-in-terms.

This is a simple truth: during the period when Chinese warlordism weakened the central authority of Peking the British (in particular) played a variation of The Great Game in Tibet. It urged the Tibetans to thumb a nose at Peking, and it urged the Tibetans to talk loudly about "suzerainty" (look it up).

But one thing the British absolutely, positively would not allow the Tibetans to do was to declare independence from China.

China - no matter how weak and ineffective the central government - remained what it had been for centuries: the sovereign power in Tibet, and Tibet remained "Chinese territory".

And once the communists put an end to all that warlordism nonsense then it simply re-asserted the authority of the central government over those provinces that had gotten into the habit of thumbing a nose.

Brutal, yeah.
Oppressive, sure.

But a "military occupation" it was not, for the simple reason that Tibet had been, and continued to be, a province of China.

Posted by: Johnboy | Feb 21 2014 8:45 utc | 5

It remains a simple fact that Tibet is a Chinese province. For Obama to continue to meet the Dalai Lama is extremely provocative. There is no way that the US will recognize the Dali Lama as the leader of a sovereign state unless the US is willing to go to war against China. That will not happen. It is hard to understand why Obama continues to meet with him. Perhaps this is part of Obama's pivot to Asia policy but if so it is extremely dangerous.

Whatever this means I thank b for bringing this up. After all, China is much more important than is the Mid East in terms of America's attempt to rule the world. Of course the Ukraine is a major piece in America's attempt to rule Asia but China remains the major obstacle. I have been following Pepe Escobar and Peter Lee at Asia Times over the last year or so and they have been bringing up some major issues that could blow up into major military confrontations involving China, Japan and/or the US.

This was something that was percolating for some time -- any conflicts were delayed in 2003 when the US decided to go to war in Iraq. The Chinese have used the last decade to prepare for what they sense might follow. Indeed, they must have considered the US war in Iraq as a god send -- let their enemy bleed in some unwinnable and useless war why they sit back and watch. The Chinese have definitely followed Napoleon's advice: "Never interrupt your enemy when he is making a mistake"

In any case the US is winding down its losing wars in the ME and is now trying to exert its power against Russia (in the Ukraine) and against China wherever they can see an opening. Perhaps in Tibet but more likely in the Western Pacific.

Posted by: ToivoS | Feb 21 2014 10:06 utc | 6

Very simple, Mr B. Foreign policy made simple for the masses whose only engagement with global affairs is an evening out at an Indian restaurant or shopping in Chinatown.
Vladimir Putin meets Chinese president (who?) in Sochi(where?)= wicked, wicked, wicked.
Potus meets holy Dalai Lama = good, good, good.
The ABC of American propaganda.

Posted by: nakedtothebone | Feb 21 2014 10:28 utc | 7

L Bean @ 3

Good point, well made.

The NATO-countries imperial efforts to dominate the world by dragging down any rivals succeed only because western media and their audience only believe what is stated by a government official. Unless a story is officially confirmed it is a non-event. To bad the western policy of destabilizing non-conformist governments will never be publicly admitted.

Posted by: Alexander | Feb 21 2014 11:47 utc | 8

The Reality-based Community meme...
"That's not the way the world really works anymore," he continued. "We're an empire now, and when we act, we create our own reality. And while you're studying that reality - judiciously, as you will — we'll act again, biting off more than we can chew and creating other new realities, and choking on them.
And you, all of you, will be left to just roll on the floor, laughing your asses off."

Posted by: Hoarsewhisperer | Feb 21 2014 12:29 utc | 9

@ 8:"To bad the western policy of destabilizing non-conformist governments will never be publicly admitted."

Yep, that's always the 300lb. gorilla in the room. Much of what Obama does these days, is pure Kabuki. This meeting with the Dalai Lama is more theater.

As long as the corporate elites get to use China's labor pool, I doubt the elites in China will buck the system.

Posted by: ben | Feb 21 2014 14:30 utc | 10

Has anyone taken the time to listen to the one-'l' Lama's speeches? Go to youtube. Platitudinous blather with out any sort of analysis or useful wisdom. "True compassion can only come through inner peace yaddida yaddida..."

Posted by: ruralito | Feb 21 2014 15:09 utc | 11

Interesting to note, too, that it is the US dollar's world hegemony that makes so much of this interference possible. With the power to print fiat currency ad infinitum, the neoconistas have a literally endless supply of money to shovel to thuggish malcontents who will do their bidding anywhere for the dubious prospect of being part of the "American dream." Not to mention to fuel the massive military octopus straddling the globe.

It may be that the only way to stop this bid for "full spectrum dominance" of the globe will be for a substantial bloc of large powers (BRICS, etc.) to bite the bullet and bring down the dollar through concerted sell-offs and boycotts. We as Americans and/or Westerners would suffer from such a move in the short run, but the world would benefit, and so would we in the long term.

H/T: Common Dreams

Posted by: Cynthia | Feb 21 2014 15:19 utc | 12

Ben@10,

Obama has revealed himself as someone that thinks people are stupid, and that lying and conning them is the mark of an intelligent person. It's really quite a sorry situation. It is childlike thinking like crossing one's fingers behind their back to make it "okay" to lie to someone. It's absurdly small thinking. He continues to use liberal language to pass right-wing policy, thereby playing his base and serving the elite.

Posted by: Cynthia | Feb 21 2014 15:29 utc | 13

Yup, this is more NED/NGO intelligence front-type shit.

Some of the Americans may remember that the Free Tibet thing was suddenly the fake left cause du jour in the US during the mid-90s really starting with the Tibet Freedom Concerts that were heavily pushed by every fake left celebrity on the docket especially the Beastie Boys and Richard Gere I'm sure in part to deflect awareness of that other occupation. Gee, which one would that be? (whistles)

It was a time of full-throttled New Agey horsesh!te and the rise of what this write called the Western Delusions althougth I would argue that these "delusions" were rather purposefully crafted meta-narratives served up and dished out by US intel agencies and their stooges to mask imperial aggression. The piece is from 2008 and speaks from an post-colonialism slant but I think accurately describes how these "delusions" have gripped the minds of the fake left as well as it touches on a number of relevant points including the Olympics, Tibet and Ukraine.

All this led to a worldview, dominant in the West, particularly among intellectuals, and even (if not especially) among liberal or leftist intellectuals, which may be called the Great Western Delusion. According to that view, the world, especially the Third World, is full of people oppressed by their own governments, run by political dictators and economic mismanagers, and those people only look forward to being helped or supported or liberated (if necessary by military means) by the good, democratic, liberal, open market West. This leads to a large part of the left supporting "democratic revolutions" in Ukraine, Belarus, Lebanon, Zimbabwe, among other places, as well as supporting human rights in China and Tibetan independance.

One of the main weaknesses of the contemporary Western left is precisely that it does not sufficiently take into account, in its worldview, the demise of colonialism when it vigorously embarks on pro-democracy or pro-human rights or pro-minorities campaigns in the Third World. The most recent example of such a campaign is the agitation around the Olympic games in China, particularly virulent in Paris, which is nowadays the capital city of such "humanitarian" imperialism (which has replaced there both marxism and fake 68 revolutionarism). The issue is not whether the "Free Tibet" movement is legitimate or not, or even whether the Dalai Lama is a former slave owner and a stooge of the CIA, but is far more basic: what are "we" (the Western left) hoping to achieve there ? China is not Serbia and is not going to be bombed into submission. We are more ecomonically dependent on them than they are on us, so that economic sanctions (another favorite tool of the humanitarian left) won’t work either.

China remembers its subjugation to foreign powers and its dismemberment just as much as we remember WW2 and the holocaust. China also says "never again". It obviously sees (rightly or wrongly) our current agitation about Tibet as a continuation of our past policies. And that is true of all the Chinese, irrespective of their political beliefs. The best thing we could do for the Tibetans would be to reassure China that we don’t have imperialist ambitions in that part of the world. But all the agitation about Tibet, as well as the installation of US military bases in Central Asia, go exactly in the opposite direction.

Or if video will explain things to people better, just try and sit through 2 minutes of fake left hero du jour Russel Brand speaking to/fawning over the Dali Lama.

Adding I was curious about this event: In this interview Brand says that he was personally contacted by the Dali Lama to do a free show for the youth of England - in the wake of the recent rioting - to teach them how not to be so angry and rebellious. Isn't that nice of him? Why it's almost like his message dovetails with that of TPTB, huh? COINCIDENCE!

The Dali Lama: servant of empire and helping keep fake left progressives misinformed and docile for over 50 years!

This is the only thing that the Lama should be known for: Gunga lagunga

Posted by: JSorrentine | Feb 21 2014 15:44 utc | 14

Meeting with the Dalai (autocorrect returns 'falsity') Lama while actively blowing up two of China's allies is as bald a threat as it is possible to make.

As far as i know the Dalai Lama is the elected leader of absolutely no one.

Posted by: guest77 | Feb 21 2014 19:42 utc | 15

“A Color Revolution 2.0 scenario like in Libya, Syria, Venezuela and Ukraine?”

Empire strikes back!!! It is interesting at the time when the empire is facing financial difficulties and has been loosing in just about every (war) front and has China fast approaching as the next #1 economy, and we have the planner in DC attacking just about anyone and everyone. From F..k EU (well, may be that on is deserved), to Ukraine (Russia), China, Iran, South America (in general), seems like the empire in the decline has opted to a policy of chaos across the globe, hoping they can keep every one busy till they can get back on their own feet. Of course, this can also be the recipe for an unexpected and total collapse too!!!
 

Posted by: Rd. | Feb 21 2014 22:16 utc | 16

maybe the dalai lama will remind Obama of his drone program:

Deadly US drone strike violated civilian protections promised by Obama

http://rt.com/usa/deadly-us-drone-strike-yemen-958/

Posted by: brian | Feb 22 2014 0:00 utc | 17

As far as i know the Dalai Lama is the elected leader of absolutely no one.
Posted by: guest77 | Feb 21, 2014 2:42:05 PM | 15

The Dalai Lama, as I understand it, is the reincarnation of the previous Dalai Lama, as exhaustively searched for and decided upon by a clique of Elders. It's similar to a Royal Family but based on perpetuating a 'spiritual' entity rather than a 'blood' line.

Posted by: Hoarsewhisperer | Feb 22 2014 0:09 utc | 18

both AMNESTY and TRANSPARENCY Internationals are backing the 'people of the ukraine' rallies....ignoring he facists persons in those rallies:

transparency Intl has just applauded Amnasty Int in suppporting the 'people of the ukraine:

Great work. We have issued a risk alert on corrupt assets from Ukraine which may be laundered into or through the UK. We stand with the people of Ukraine in the fight against corruption. Here’s our message to all British banks, estate agents, lawyers & accountants, & letter to George Osborne. Check it out & share:

Video: http://bitly.com/1gRT00Q
Blog: http://bitly.com/1heBTVm
Letter: http://bit.ly/MgHDDV
https://www.facebook.com/amnestyglobal/posts/10152298259228278?comment_id=33090300&offset=0&total_comments=3

people need to go to their pages and remind them they are supporting neonazi and other fascists. The more who do, the more THEY will be forced to respond.

the irony and typical of the tough-it-out method is to say the govt is complicit!

Posted by: brian | Feb 22 2014 0:16 utc | 19

@Hoarsewhisperer

"clique of Elders"

Sounds very... democratic. ;)

Posted by: guest77 | Feb 22 2014 0:33 utc | 20

@1 Thanks for those. Another photo of warmongers and a "holy man".

Posted by: guest77 | Feb 22 2014 1:18 utc | 22

@18

the dalai lamas are seen as the reincarnation of Avalokitesvara, the bodhisattva of compassion: its part of tibetan buddhist tradition. They have resolved to return to this world with each rebirth

Posted by: brian | Feb 22 2014 1:51 utc | 24

"How come this CIA asset gets three meetings in four years with this president?"

It's a self-indulgent "enemy of my enemy" pantomime.
If a US President actually gave a rat's ass about Tibetans, it would be the first time since WWII that a President gave a rat's about the life or well-being of any non-1%-er - anywhere.

Posted by: Hoarsewhisperer | Feb 22 2014 1:59 utc | 25

i thought the muricun engineered open season on chinese starts after 911

http://www.moonofalabama.org/2012/09/open-thread-2012-23.html#c6a00d8341c640e53ef017d3c1c26ea970c

actually, it started way back in the 1959 *uprising* ....
*Air Force pilots working with the CIA asked potential recruits one question: Do you want to kill Chinese?*

http://www.workers.org/ww/ciatibet.html

Posted by: denk | Feb 22 2014 2:20 utc | 26

The Economist is a Rothschild mouthpiece and is going berserk because those global evildoers are boxed in financially/economically by China starting to dump US dollars big time, and militarily/politically by Russia blocking them on all important fronts: ME, Eastern Europe, South America...
EU has been trying to broke off the chains of the Anglo-Israeli-American (US dollar, British Pound, French African Union franc) transatlantic option to assume EurAsian system and quite a big shift in that direction is happening right now.
Let's hope there will be no more blood.

Posted by: ProPeace | Feb 22 2014 2:52 utc | 27

Johnboy 5
*Brutal, yeah.
Oppressive, sure.*

i once declared on the guardian that china should get a nobel peace prize for its examplary policy on minorities, one anglo gone hysterical n called me names.
actually the facts r all there, i often dare people to find another country with similar preferential treatment to its minorities, so far no taker !

http://www.globalresearch.ca/the-hypocrisy-and-danger-of-anti-china-demonstrations/8731

Posted by: denk | Feb 22 2014 2:58 utc | 28

Y'all need to learn from Gordon Duff and Veterans Today how to read Brzeziński today, because you have actually no clue about it. Things have changed since 1979, you know... (hint: RF is not USSR).

Posted by: ProPeace | Feb 22 2014 3:54 utc | 29

Obama just wanted to personally criticize Llama Boy's views on gay rights.

Posted by: biklett | Feb 22 2014 4:47 utc | 30

I don't know why anybody takes that Lama guys seriously..The dude's full of sh*t...For China, he's a useful excuse for them to express their outrage at the US..Nothing more/less..

Exactly what will he discuss with Obama??? How to convert to Buddhism and such????

Posted by: Zico | Feb 22 2014 10:21 utc | 31

Posted by: ProPeace | Feb 21, 2014 10:54:39 PM | 29

Duff's fact-free thought experiment is further enfeebled by several stellar/sober comments.

Posted by: Hoarsewhisperer | Feb 23 2014 3:18 utc | 32

b is so deep into opposing the projection of American power that he is unable to recognize a legitimate nationalist cause because the USA happens to approve of it. (And a very mild and nominal approval it is in this case.) Anything America supports must be bad; so he lashes out at the Dalai Lama and reduces him to a “CIA asset” because the exiled patriot had the temerity to accept money from the evil Yankees to fight for his homeland’s freedom from a brutal totalitarian machine.

The lame argument that Tibet was a backwards feudal state that needed liberating by the enlightened, up-to-date Marxists of the Communist Party of China is imperialist reasoning of the crudest, most self-serving kind. It’s what the colonialist bully always says after subjugating his less powerful, less developed neighbor.

Tibet is a captive nation and the Dalai Lama is a man with a legitimate and praiseworthy cause. Don’t blame him if the US happens not to shun him and his people. Some people are so consumed with their opposition to the US’s imperial foreign policy that everything they see is reduced to a binary set of options : Backed by US (bad) or not backed by US (good). This is a simplistic way of seeing things and fails to recognize that even US politicians can be correct sometimes. “A stopped watch...”.

b. is on auto-pilot with this and is throwing a whole nation and culture under the bus as if it's just a side note in the war against the American empire. And this is where he becomes a casualty of the thing he most opposes. He is a creation of it. He sees everything through the lens of US empire. Everything gets processed through this binary bad/good system and all subtlety is lost. Anyone taking money from the US is a villain.

The US is the number one power in the world and it has its fingers in a lot of pies. Not all of these pies deserve to be thrown away. There are some just causes even in the American portfolio.

Posted by: J. Bradley | Feb 23 2014 3:53 utc | 33

From the Dalai Lama's Nobel Prize acceptance speech:

The problems we face today, violent conflicts, destruction of nature, poverty, hunger, and so on, are human-created problems which can be resolved through human effort, understanding and the development of a sense of brotherhood and sisterhood. We need to cultivate a universal responsibility for one another and the planet we share. Although I have found my own Buddhist religion helpful in generating love and compassion, even for those we consider our enemies, I am convinced that everyone can develop a good heart and a sense of universal responsibility with or without religion.

This isn't a sensible plan. It is vapid drivel.

Posted by: ruralito | Feb 23 2014 4:32 utc | 34

@33

When the US stops f*cking murdering innocent and destroying countries then maybe we can talk about it helping other nations with their problems. Until then every cause the US supports should be rightly viewed as nothing more than a furtherance of their imperial aims.

Is that really too hard to understand? That you don't try and negotiate with a deranged killer and ask it for help? Or try to mitigate said killer's crimes b/c they on the off-chance just MIGHT be helping someone somewhere?

Yeah, maybe it kind of sucks but then again, needless murder and destruction kind of suck too.

Posted by: JSorrentine | Feb 23 2014 4:44 utc | 35

@ J. Bradley

I don't have a problem with what you were saying, except for that the United States is so rich, so powerful, and such a threat to world peace and prosperity that giving it an opening anywhere in the world brings us closer to the ultimate evil: the complete domination of the globe by one power. For whatever righteous reasons you or I might find in a national independence struggle inside one of the few countries able to resist US domination, you can be sure those are not the reasons the butchers of Baghdad, Syria, Libya, and now the Ukraine would find in it.

I don't have any problem with the Tibetan people seeking more autonomy and greater independence, but when they do so while funded by the power that in reality has no real interest in that goal and whose only interest is in bringing China under its thumb, the issue gets more than a little muddled. I don't want to get on the side of Tibetan independence, no matter how righteous that concept may or may not be when the end result will be both China and Tibet reduced to subservience to the US. (note: baring true repression, which may or may not be the case here, I don't think nationalism in itself is a particularly righteous cause)

The fact is that the people of all of these countries are done a disservice in their plight when some unelected leaders (Chalabi comes to mind) jets off to the United States seeking backing for their cause. An unaccountable figure like the Dalai Lama is so dangerous because there is no real way to measure his support inside Tibet, and he may have all kinds of personal or monetary reasons (or is perhaps manipulated in god knows what ways) for throwing his country into chaos. Chaos in which many people end up getting killed all for little or no benefit to them at all. Would a true patriot seek the backing of another country in his struggle? After all, what would have been the effect in the United States if, say, Martin Luther King, Jr. sought a public audience with Khrushchev at the height of the Cold War?

I think it all comes down to this: what honest seeker of justice would seek to find it by joining up with the most criminal country on the planet? It simply doesn't make any sense. One simply doesn't make deals with the devil.

Posted by: guest77 | Feb 23 2014 5:14 utc | 36

guest77 [22]
mccain is disgusting .

********************************
watch out china, looks like another abe coming up.
http://blogs.wsj.com/indiarealtime/2014/02/23/indias-modi-talks-tough-on-china/

no wonder the muricuns are in such unseemly haste to rehab [1] the *butcher of gujarat.* [2]
the evil vampire is already salivating over the much coveted india japan alliance
against china, a wet dream that so far hasnt fully materialised coz the current indian prez mohan singh seems a bit ambiguous .

with the rise of modi,
an unholy alliance between the world's fascists is in the making. [3]

[1]
http://www.deccanherald.com/content/385914/washington-warms-up-modi.html

[2]
http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2012/mar/14/new-india-gujarat-massacre

[3]
http://southasia.foreignpolicy.com/posts/2014/02/20/big_in_japan_why_abe_is_rooting_for_a_modi_win

Posted by: denk | Feb 23 2014 16:02 utc | 37

its really amusing when muricuns sniffed at china's state controlled media , when they'r being kept in the dark n fed bushit [the mushroom club] by their wonderful free press 24x7 hehehe

http://www.globalresearch.ca/the-routine-use-of-fake-images-and-video-footage-by-the-western-media/5370097

Posted by: denk | Feb 23 2014 16:39 utc | 38

muricuns say china is their no1 security threat. [sic]
what do u expect from the land of mushrooms,
where everybody is kept in the dark n fed bushit all day ? hehehe

http://www.newrepublic.com/article/116718/pernicious-polling-gallup

Posted by: denk | Feb 23 2014 17:19 utc | 39

ruralito 11

another *white faced* speaking in forked tongue !

Posted by: denk | Feb 23 2014 17:55 utc | 40

40
im talking about hmdl of cause !

Posted by: denk | Feb 23 2014 17:56 utc | 41

@37 Wow. No surprise the United States has found their man.

More than 2,000 Muslims were murdered, and tens of thousands rendered homeless in carefully planned and coordinated attacks of unprecedented savagery.

The killers may have been in touch with police and politicians. A senior police officer and minister, murdered in 2003, claimed that Modi explicitly instructed civil servants and police not to stand in the killers' way.

I don't think India will go so easily over to the dark side though. But then, who knows. Once neo-liberal rot is allowed to set in, any country is ripe for fascists to sweep to power.

Posted by: guest77 | Feb 23 2014 18:53 utc | 42

judging from the santimonous screed of muricuns in various message board,

obviously the supreme ironies of

*a holy man, nobel peace prize no less, consorting with certified war criminals ,

*potus lecturing china on tibet while squatting on the biggest land grab in human history

are utterly lost on the mushrooms hehehehe

Posted by: denk | Feb 24 2014 8:30 utc | 43

i've put up many exhibits of muricuns legendery hubris before , the stunning arrogance of these clowns often left me speechless.
but u aint seen nuthin yet, everyday these mushrooms keep surpassing themselves.

on the current lama , bama drama

other than the usual *china killed millions in tibet, china's brutal rule, brutal crackdown on peaceful protestors* bs, one theme sticks out.

*tell the chinese to fuck off , stop meddling in ur internal affair.
ask them to mind their own fucking business* !!!

potus openly consorting with cia asset hdml, who's responsible for many ethnic violence in china, but china is the one who's meddling in muricun affair, china is the one who should mind its own business ???

do these mofo really think they'r god's chosen people or something ?

p.s.
so many mushrooms, so little time.
banned by atimes, war st journal, nyt, jap times.....

Posted by: denk | Feb 24 2014 9:06 utc | 44

The fate of the American empire isn’t going to be decided on Tibet. Bashing the Dalai Lama isn’t going to hurt America one bit. I’m surprised Obama even meets with the guy considering he (Obama) and the US foreign policy establishment are nothing but well-disposed towards China. China seems to get a pass on the kinds of criticism that Iran gets on human rights and political liberties. China really isn’t in the cross-hairs of American aggression. The pivot to Asia is Obama’s big strategic catch-phrase but China is too strong a player and too involved in the West’s economic well-being for it to be treated harshly as in Syria or Ukraine.

As for opposing the greatest evil in the world, I think China is pretty damn evil as countries go. Raving a/b America being a ‘deranged killer” is J . is really not going to get us anywhere. America’s policy makers are in the thrall of an israelist mentality at the moment which is making a good country with a great constitution and with a great tradition of freedom to make really stupid, overbearing choices. The problem is not America, the problem is the ideology of neo-conservatism.

Patriots and freedom fighters have always looked to outside powers to help in their struggle. It’s just a judgment call on the outside powers part whether it is in its interest , morally or politically, to get involved. US founding fathers got Lafayette and the French to help them. You can’t find fault with desperate people searching for outside help.
Like Chalabi though, they can be snake oil salesmen. I don’t support intervention in Tibet but I do support Obama at least acknowledging in public that we have a problem with China’s treatment of Tibet.

Stigmatizing the US as the most criminal country on the planet seems pointless and off-the-mark to me. There are good and bad things a/b America. And crimes are things determined by a community. The things the US has been doing unfortunately have been approved of by a lot of states and exist in the world of geo-politics where law is tenuous. If you want the behavior to stop you have to replace the ideology responsible for it. Hating the US so much is fine but when it leads you to shoving the Tibetans seeking freedom into the ditch there is a problem.

Posted by: J. Bradley | Feb 25 2014 3:58 utc | 45

J. Bradley 45
*I do support Obama at least acknowledging in public that we have a problem with China’s treatment of Tibet.*

apparently the irony of a certified war criminal preaching on *human rights* is utterly lost on muricuns like u.

Posted by: denk | Feb 25 2014 5:23 utc | 46

*in tibet, the usa happens to be doing the right stuff, we cant just throw a whole nation under the bus just coz we hate us imperialism.* [sic] [1]

where did we hear this kind of meme before ?
off hand these come to mind, kosovo, libya, syria, iran, venezuela.....

using this kind of rationale, *human rights activists* like j bradley would've us supporting any r2p caper dreamed up by the evil vampire, how very convenient ;-)

with *human rights activists* like this, who needs the warmongering clinton or mccain ?

[1]
hey bradley, dont u know that the evil vampire practically made a living out of *throwing a whole nation under the bus* since its birth.

Posted by: denk | Feb 26 2014 3:22 utc | 47

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