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January 23, 2014
Washington Post Contradicts Own Reporting On Torture

Adam Goldman today reports for the Washington Post on the history of a secret U.S. torture prison in Poland. On of the people tortured there was one Abu Zubaida. Goldman writes:

Other Counterterrorism Center officials believed that Nashiri was a key al-Qaeda figure and was withholding information. After a tense meeting in December 2002, top CIA officials decided they needed to get tougher with him, two former U.S. intelligence officials recounted.

Zubaida also provided important information to his interrogators, officials said. He identified people in photographs and provided what one official called “hundreds of data points.”

Officials said Zubaida said was even willing to help get new detainees to talk.

But back in 2009 Peter Finn and Joby Warrick reported, astonishingly also in the Washington Post, that Zubaida was of no value at all:

When CIA officials subjected their first high-value captive, Abu Zubaida, to waterboarding and other harsh interrogation methods, they were convinced that they had in their custody an al-Qaeda leader who knew details of operations yet to be unleashed, and they were facing increasing pressure from the White House to get those secrets out of him.

The methods succeeded in breaking him, and the stories he told of al-Qaeda terrorism plots sent CIA officers around the globe chasing leads.

In the end, though, not a single significant plot was foiled as a result of Abu Zubaida's tortured confessions, according to former senior government officials who closely followed the interrogations. Nearly all of the leads attained through the harsh measures quickly evaporated, while most of the useful information from Abu Zubaida — chiefly names of al-Qaeda members and associates — was obtained before waterboarding was introduced, they said.

What is it then? Should we trust the reporting of the Washington Post or the reporting of the Washington Post?

Comments

Post, NYT’s et al lost me with Iraqi WMD, mushroom clouds, aluminum tubes etc…haven’t read anything in either rag save Krugman since.

Posted by: stephen | Jan 23 2014 16:57 utc | 1

unfortunately the nyt and wapo have essentially become propaganda tools for the gov’t and corporations. to expect them to play fair with information is asking too much! they are inherently deceitful for a number of reasons.

Posted by: james | Jan 23 2014 17:40 utc | 2

All of these media counts on people’s short memory. They would say the exact opposite when it fits the moment without feeling they should to present any explanation for their shift.

Posted by: Virgile | Jan 23 2014 17:47 utc | 3

Again, at this stage of the U.S. war crimes “game” – i.e. GWOT etc – there is a large enough body of evidence – i.e., murder, displacement, torture, etc. – to preclude anyone from having to draw meaning from anything the official media mouthpieces say as their sole purpose is provide cover for said overt war crimes in some shape or form be it through the creation of debate, discussion, narrative or analysis (all terms used very loosely). Remember – even though they would like you to not – these mouthpieces and the people who work at them are also war criminals as their deliberate and purposeful lies have directly led to the slaughter/maiming/displacement of millions of innocent human beings. War criminals should not be listened to and should simply be reminded that they are complicit in the more overt war crimes of their paymasters and that their complicity has been duly noted. Likewise their purposeful domestic lies have directly led to the deaths, sickness and worsening lives of millions of their fellow citizens over the last 30 odd years.
Maybe when American workers – at the bidding of the mouthpieces – stop trying to take away each others pensions and Social Security, then they will someday begin to deal with the murderers and thieves they keep “electing” to office.

Posted by: JSorrentine | Jan 23 2014 17:55 utc | 4

Adding briefly:
And this is why the Grandfather Lie of all of the recent lies (10+ years) – i.e., the official narrative of the 9/11 – has – to an Establishment person – been agreed upon to never be discussed/debated/analyzed. Any discussion/question that approaches the “event horizon” of 9/11 will never be heard/considered/addressed by any Establishment person. Thus:
You can call George Bush a war criminal.
You can call out the NYT for saying erroneous things during the lead-up to Iraq and Afghanistan.
You can get all righteous about Dick Cheney.
But you cannot go near the 9/11 “event horizon” if you want to be listed among the elite or at least among their minions in good stead.
Once you cross it you quickly begin to approach your career singularity.

Posted by: JSorrentine | Jan 23 2014 18:24 utc | 5

Hhhmmm — it used to be that the editorial writers of the WaPo would consistently ignore what their reporters were reporting, making statements that were directly contradicted by some of their reporters.
In these times, the reporters seem to have been ever more conditioned to be good stenographers for the PTB’s.
Mockingbird Project, probably renamed, lives and thrives. And, nowadays, with “elite” reporters paid very handsomely, and lesser reporters hanging on by their fingernails, it is probably easier to get most of the “journalists” to agree to try to fool most of the public most of the time.
That the former McClatchy reporters still seem able to actually report is, well, almost amazing. But do their reports get picked up and amplified much?

Posted by: jawbone | Jan 23 2014 19:21 utc | 6

I just googled Peter Finn to see whether he were still at the WaPo and, per the top link, he is. But when I clicked on the link to his bio and work at the WaPo site, his bio did not indicate he was not at the paper but the list of his recent published work was all from June of 2013.
Joby Warrick also comes up as a staff writer for the WaPo and his published work list begins with 11/24/13 through 1/1/14.
Ah…. Another link indicates he was named National Security Editor in August of 2013, so perhaps he edited this current report which contradicts his 2009 report?
Interesting….

Posted by: jawbone | Jan 23 2014 19:36 utc | 7

JS’s (#5) likening of discussion of events like 9/11 to an event horizon is very relevant. In this sense 9/11 can be considered a systemic singularity. If the singularity were opened (a naked singularity) the whole political structure would implode in it.

Posted by: John Earls | Jan 23 2014 20:02 utc | 8

#5;Yeah,9-11,the most unexamined event that changed the history of the world,in history.And we bear its wellspring of hate death and war in the USA’s(increased) hydrophobic and incoherent foreign and domestic policy ever since.
I remember it being a beautiful morning.aargg..
I peruse the voices of Zion daily,just to see what tricks they are up to in their obfuscating and miseducating way(divide and conquer).At least most of the comments are not going along for more joyrides lately at the NYTs,but Wapos comments are either disturbed neoliberals,or a few rabid Tea Party warmongers.(Jeez did that movement get corrupted or what?),who seem to believe in their nonsense.Both are pretty much devoid of reality,and are Zion fixed.And unfortunately,they are beacons of enlightenment when it comes to the NY tabloids(my area)which are Zion itself.The only truths in US news today are the sports page results.

Posted by: dahoit | Jan 23 2014 21:01 utc | 9

Since some editors from WaPo and NYT are rapporteurs(whatever that means in such occasion) for the Bilderberg annual meeting, guess we should not be surprised. Like the French phrase : “Ce sont des VENDUS”.
http://forward.com/articles/191283/the-economist-pulls-anti-semitic-cartoon-on-barack/
They keep hammering “democracy” in our ears but it is a democracy of aristocrats, brown-nosing politicos climbing the social stairs and filthy rich businessmen and bankers. They are either white and/or Zionists.

Posted by: Yul | Jan 23 2014 21:34 utc | 10

Here’s 3 years of news reports (600 Videos in 3 playlists) as evidence that Qatar, Saudi Arabia, Turkey, Israel, the UK, the USA, and others are responsible for the terror invasion of Syria…and still are the main obstacles to peace in the Middle East (Click on links to view not the picture)
News on Syria (2011 – 2012)
http://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PL84820A033F768886
News on Syria (2012 – 2013 Aug)
http://www.youtube.com/playlist
News on Syria (2013 – 2014 Jan)
http://www.youtube.com/playlist..

Posted by: brian | Jan 23 2014 21:39 utc | 11

Jawbone (#7),
Recall that the WaPo was purchased by Jeff Bezos, fantastically wealthy founder of Amazon in August of 2013:
http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/08/06/us-washingtonpost-bezos-idUSBRE9740Y420130806
Match this with the news that Amazon makes a lotta money working with the CIA:
http://www.globalresearch.ca/the-washington-post-and-amazon-doing-business-with-the-cia
The timelines you report for the hires/promotions of the reporters seems to correlate with the changing of the regime. Perhaps some of those “inevitable changes” mentioned in the Reuters article? Hmm. What is the sound of one hand washing the other?

Posted by: JerseyJeffersonian | Jan 23 2014 22:32 utc | 12

US up to old tricks once again
http://antiwar.com/blog/2014/01/22/us-special-ops-train-to-help-overthrow-north-korean-regime/
and its a ‘government’ NOT a ‘regime’

Posted by: brian | Jan 23 2014 22:46 utc | 13

due to a couple of broken links above
Please share very important
Here’s 3 years of news reports (600 Videos in 3 playlists) as evidence that Qatar, Saudi Arabia, Turkey, Israel, the UK, the USA, and others are responsible for the terror invasion of Syria…and still are the main obstacles to peace in the Middle East
News on Syria (2011 – 2012)
http://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PL84820A033F768886
News on Syria (2012 – 2013 Aug)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NkrTQRg571w&list=PLCMPkpKACKgIINNXeHY5ainUjyUc3ka_F&bpctr=1390517507
News on Syria (2013 – 2014 Jan)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NkrTQRg571w&list=PLCMPkpKACKgIINNXeHY5ainUjyUc3ka_F&bpctr=1390517507

Posted by: brian | Jan 23 2014 22:49 utc | 14

ever since president Putin, leader of the free world, gave asylum to Snowden and stopped Israel using US war machine to attack syria…someones been trying to take out the master of diplomacy …from rioting pussies to Greenpeace shenanigans to gay olympics
http://zeroanthropology.net/2014/01/23/sochi-sexuality-and-empire/

Posted by: brian | Jan 23 2014 23:10 utc | 15

“It’s a scintillating stratagem. Language is actually employed to keep thought at bay. The words ‘the American people’ provide a truly voluptuous cushion of reassurance. You don’t need to think. Just lie back on the cushion. The cushion may be suffocating your intelligence and your critical faculties but it’s very comfortable. This does not apply of course to the 40 million people living below the poverty line and the 2 million men and women imprisoned in the vast gulag of prisons, which extends across the US.”
“The United States no longer bothers about low intensity conflict. It no longer sees any point in being reticent or even devious. It puts its cards on the table without fear or favour. It quite simply doesn’t give a damn about the United Nations, international law or critical dissent, which it regards as impotent and irrelevant. It also has its own bleating little lamb tagging behind it on a lead, the pathetic and supine Great Britain.”
Harold Pinter: Nobel Lecture: Art, Truth & Politics
http://www.nobelprize.org/nobel_prizes/literature/laureates/2005/pinter-lecture-e.html
Too much of Apps? Ordering at McDonalds, Starbucks form iPhone at 4G/LTE?
Apps for Apes.

Posted by: neretva’43 | Jan 24 2014 0:36 utc | 16