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January 31, 2014
Open Thread 2014-02
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As U.S. officials Samantha Power and John Kerry have recently mounted the high horse of superior Western values to inveigh against the brutality of the Syrian government, it is important to note their silence regarding the jailing of journalists in Cairo by the military junta. Posted by: Mike Maloney | Jan 31 2014 16:51 utc | 1 – On Ukraine: The Guardian finally takes a step away from supporting colour revolutions. Seumus Milne actually reports on the side of the Ukraine protests that the media don’t present in a piece headlined, “In Ukraine, fascists, oligarchs and Western Expansion”.
– On Turkey: The first news is coming out from Erdogan’s trip to Iran on Tuesday/Wednesday. Al Monitor speaks with some sources about the talks.
The most interesting part for me is this line:
– On Libya: Maybe the war in Libya is not over. Eric Draitser looks at the emerging “Green Resistence” by Pro-Gaddaffi supporters and black Libyans.
Posted by: Colm O’ Toole | Jan 31 2014 16:57 utc | 2 My impression is that in Egypt you just don’t have a popular basis for the sort of secular, anti-imperialist Leftism that would be so welcome there. What you have a sub-Nasserist and to some extent pseudo-Nasserist, bourgeois nationalism embodied in the Army, and because it’s bourgeois, ie devoted to the joys of large-scale private property, it cannot even be relied upon to be anti-imperialist, whatever it may say. It will end up in the pocket of the big dollar boys, and we know who they are. But the only mass alternative to that is religious dictatorship which is even worse. So, as usual, there are plenty of Leftists in jail, or in the prison camps in the desert that nobody ever talks about but where you can rot away for decades. But Leftists are just inevitably going to end up on the losing end, until one day Egypt has a much higher level of education all round, then it may rear its head again, because it is generally a product of educated minds. Anyway, someone at al-Akhbar has knocked out a really beautiful specimen of sardonic Arab wisdom today, comparing Egypt with Syria: here. Posted by: Rowan Berkeley | Jan 31 2014 17:03 utc | 3 It occurs to me that in light of the incredible disclosures about the NSA and the Surveillance State (which exceed even the wildest fantasies of the so-called “conspiracy nuts”), that the Occupy movement was not so much stillborn as premature. How can we attain anything whatsoever with Big Brother looking over our shoulders, and actively working against freedom and human rights, and sticking at nothing? A Islamist transitional government in Syria? Posted by: Virgile | Jan 31 2014 18:15 utc | 5 #3;The Egyptian Brotherhood was marginalized,imprisoned,demonized etc.for the last 60? years in Egypt.When they acquired that democratic victory in,what was it 09?,they tried to implement their vision of government(Could one blame them?).This religious based change was opposed by the so called intelligentsia,the media,the industrialists and the military.The Brotherhoods mistake was to not use time to put their stamp on the militarists,and change it from the Mubarak era into a more Islamic entity. Posted by: dahoit | Jan 31 2014 18:30 utc | 6 @1 mike – very true and you have started the conversation rolling on what is going on with egypt. i agree with @6 dahoits view on this, which i think serves the usa and israels interests the best – an ongoing military dictatorship in egypt which is the least threatening option according to them. they could give a rats ass about democracy and all the rest of the clap trap that gets said in the msm.. looking at egypt and wondering why you never hear a peep out of the same ones in a rage about ukraine tells anyone paying attention all they need to know about hypocrisy of the highest order. Posted by: james | Jan 31 2014 18:48 utc | 7 It’s not a matter of islamophobia, it’s a matter of religious government in general. The ‘vision’ of religious government is spurious, wherever it arises. It is the product of fraud, hallucination, and wishful thinking. Posted by: Rowan Berkeley | Jan 31 2014 18:55 utc | 8 As a relief from the ME & Ukraine, this is sort of amusing in a Schadenfreude kind of way about life in the higher latitudes of Europe: Posted by: poltroon | Jan 31 2014 20:18 utc | 9 Now a word from Commander Fidel:
Posted by: ruralito | Jan 31 2014 22:02 utc | 10 Maggie Alarcon, who HAS a sense of humo(u)r skewers your boughten “dissidents”
Posted by: ruralito | Jan 31 2014 22:29 utc | 11 After minimizing the threat of terrorism and defending Al Nusra, Turkey is probably the next target of Al Qaeda as they are forced to leave Syria
Posted by: Virgile | Jan 31 2014 22:53 utc | 12 @rowan Posted by: ATH | Jan 31 2014 23:21 utc | 13
Posted by: Virgile | Feb 1 2014 0:42 utc | 14 Hey, Netanyahu says that he wants to turn the “Internet from a curse into a blessing” by – get this – starting a “UN of the Internet” based – of course – in the apartheid genocidal state of Israel because Bibi sez Israel is the most advanced, yo!!! Can you dig it?! Posted by: JSorrentine | Feb 1 2014 0:54 utc | 16 Outrageous police brutality in Beijing, or, this clown should be in a circus… Posted by: estouxim | Feb 1 2014 1:06 utc | 17 churchill and the wahhabis Posted by: brian | Feb 1 2014 1:14 utc | 18 Moscow – Chairwoman of the Federation Council of the Russian Federation, Valentina Matviyenko, renewed her country’s support to a peaceful solution to the crisis in Syria through dialogue. Posted by: brian | Feb 1 2014 1:25 utc | 19 pretty good look at American Exceptionalism: Exceptionally Propagandized Posted by: guest77 | Feb 1 2014 1:51 utc | 20 “… Leftists are just inevitably going to end up on the losing end, until one day Egypt has a much higher level of education all round, then it may rear its head again, because it is generally a product of educated minds…” Posted by: bevin | Feb 1 2014 2:51 utc | 21
I agree with this part 100 no make that 200%.
How different do you think Morsi was? Would you prefer the same deal albeit with an islamic aura? or do you think Morsi/Khaitar al shater‘s Islamisim was making him any different?
Brotherhood has a history (in fact all forms of political islam do) and it is not separable from that history. The moment it becomes “shorn of its illusions” it will no longer be “brotherhood”! Posted by: Pirouz_2 | Feb 1 2014 3:40 utc | 22
By the way bevin, would it make much of a difference if I changed in that sentence the bolded “from the West” part with a “from the GOD”?? Posted by: Pirouz_2 | Feb 1 2014 3:53 utc | 23 @ poltroon Posted by: sleepy | Feb 1 2014 4:17 utc | 24 @16 If Kerry is preparing a “Framework document” for the singular purpose of preventing Abbas from leaving the talks and going to the ICC (and, really, is there anyone who doubts this?) then these leaks make no sense whatsoever. Posted by: Johnboy | Feb 1 2014 4:45 utc | 25 [Apologize for lurking, as a long time MoA reader myself, but my schedule doesn’t allow tapping epistles on a cell. Hardly have time to read post comments as it is, without swerving in traffic.] Posted by: Chip Nihk | Feb 1 2014 5:35 utc | 26 I may be very tired, bevin, but this is still nonsense:
The MB is a petty-bourgeois movement financed by landowners, bevin. It dislikes modernisation, but it has no objection to dictatorship. In fact, it thinks ‘democracy’ is a modernist confidence trick, fundamentally of a wile of Iblis, the great Tempter. Posted by: Rowan Berkeley | Feb 1 2014 8:05 utc | 27 estouxim 17 Posted by: denk | Feb 1 2014 8:32 utc | 28 “modernism” is another word for the Western way of living. Posted by: ATH | Feb 1 2014 15:33 utc | 29 Good summary Posted by: Mina | Feb 1 2014 16:02 utc | 30 This doc is playing on Press TV: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ueap2ncbVYI Posted by: guest77 | Feb 1 2014 19:16 utc | 32 Inside the Yarmuk mukhayyam (in Arabic) Posted by: Mina | Feb 1 2014 19:34 utc | 33 Same group who is claiming responsibility for the recent Cairo ‘mudiriyya’ bombing and others in Sinai has a role inside the Yarmuk (in using the weakest people as human shields). They are called Bayt al Maqdis and belong to Hamas. Posted by: Mina | Feb 1 2014 19:53 utc | 34 From the programme refered above, who can also understand that the Yarmuk operation was probably decided by pro MB people who wanted to punish the Palestinians who had participated with Hezbollah and the Syrian army in fighting back the ‘revolutionaries’ attack on the Shiite shrine of Sayyida Zeinab and its Shiite population and Iranian pilgrims. Posted by: Mina | Feb 1 2014 19:56 utc | 35 un vent nouveau–the meaning of Dieudonné Posted by: Cu Chulainn | Feb 1 2014 21:14 utc | 36 This is interesting: “Britain entering first world war was ‘biggest error in modern history'” Posted by: guest77 | Feb 1 2014 21:27 utc | 37 @Mina#33-35: Posted by: Rusty Pipes | Feb 1 2014 23:48 utc | 38 Fabrication in BBC Panorama’s ‘Saving Syria’s Children’ Posted by: brian | Feb 2 2014 0:28 utc | 39 RP, Posted by: Mina | Feb 2 2014 10:25 utc | 40
Mina, ‘Ansar Bayt al-Maqdis’ (in my own idiosyncratic way I would translate these people as “Guardians of Jayloomia”) have got to be the ultimate pseudo-gang. I know you would expect me to say that, but I’m not just saying it. They have, as the ‘experts’ would put it, “all the hallmarks of.” They fire silly little soup cans at Eilat and the Israelis shriek in the most satisfying way, although the chances of hitting anything or hurting anybody are minimal. And they shoot videos of themselves firing shoulder-launched missiles of some sort at passing tankers in the Suez Canal, a completely pointless exercise. They would be attacking the Trans-Egypt Pipeline, if they were serious. Posted by: Rowan Berkeley | Feb 2 2014 14:07 utc | 41 I’ve got an item about Ansar Bayt al-Maqdis from today’s DEBKAfile here, which I make fun of: link. Posted by: Rowan Berkeley | Feb 2 2014 14:20 utc | 42 Qatar’s isolation is increasing
Posted by: virgile | Feb 2 2014 14:40 utc | 43 Qardawi should explain us how Qatar is supposed to host the Soccer World Cup while remaining islamically correct… Posted by: Mina | Feb 2 2014 14:50 utc | 44 Rowan, Posted by: Mina | Feb 2 2014 15:03 utc | 45 “The Empire admits: without Al-Jazeera, they could not have bombed Libya. Posted by: brian | Feb 2 2014 15:29 utc | 46 who wants islamic rule? not syria…and not egypt…and note this terrorist is in the same state the US has a base in Posted by: brian | Feb 2 2014 15:33 utc | 48 Thank you Mina, it is always very good to hear from you about what it seems like on the ground. Of course, as I explained when I was defining the term, a pseudo-gang is only consciously pseudo at the top, ie, the guys who run it know it’s pseudo, but the footsoldiers are just useful idiots who think it”s real, though as time goes by they will start to wonder why it unfailingly pursues stupid and self-defeating policies, and they may even get wise to it, in which case a convenient air raid will have to destroy their militant base, with them in it – just missing the leader, who will happen to have left 30 minutes before. And we have seen exactly that scenario, with Godane in Somalia, with whoever runs AQAP in Yemen. Posted by: Rowan Berkeley | Feb 2 2014 16:23 utc | 49 forget iran Posted by: brian | Feb 2 2014 16:33 utc | 50 Qardawi has been in Qatar for many years. In the last 3 years he only went out to give crazy preaches on Tahrir at the invitation of al-jazeera first after Mubarak’s fall and later on at the invitation of the MB (including a preach for friday prayzer at al Azhar where he reminded about the necessity to help “all the brothers in Afghanistan, Chechenia, Syria etc”… Posted by: Mina | Feb 2 2014 17:45 utc | 51 Or was it 30 th January? Morsi was arrested 28th Jan. according to this page, but some other top guys of the brotherhood were in jail earlier. Posted by: Mina | Feb 2 2014 17:49 utc | 52 #50…. Posted by: PissedOffAmerican | Feb 2 2014 21:56 utc | 53
Posted by: virgile | Feb 2 2014 22:51 utc | 54 Gee, this controlled demolition of a German skyscraper today sure doesn’t bring to mind anything as an American I can recall. Nope, nothing to see here. Not a thing to remember. Resembles nothing. Posted by: JSorrentine | Feb 3 2014 1:14 utc | 55 well it is an open thread.. nothing wrong with leaving a link that have no date attached to the info dump that goes with it.. it is a bit like watching someone feed the pet alligators though, lol.. Posted by: james | Feb 3 2014 4:02 utc | 56
Posted by: Virgile | Feb 3 2014 16:33 utc | 57 Erdogan will soon restart a courtship with Israel after his unsuccessful flirt with Sunni Arab neighbours. Will Gulen and the US now stop undermining Erdogan if his relation with Israel becomes normal again?
Posted by: Virgile | Feb 3 2014 16:41 utc | 58 Last time I heard of Erdogan last week he was meeting the Iranians… Posted by: Mina | Feb 3 2014 16:47 utc | 59 “The MB is a petty-bourgeois movement financed by landowners, bevin. It dislikes modernisation, but it has no objection to dictatorship. In fact, it thinks ‘democracy’ is a modernist confidence trick, fundamentally of a wile of Iblis, the great Tempter.” Posted by: bevin | Feb 3 2014 18:00 utc | 60 Landis putting rhetorical questions to Kerry may refer to this Posted by: Mina | Feb 3 2014 19:59 utc | 61 French cartoonists protest for being tricked in an event sponsored by an Israeli company operating from the occupied territories. Posted by: Mina | Feb 3 2014 20:06 utc | 62 Not sure if this has been linked to here Posted by: Mina | Feb 3 2014 20:27 utc | 63 I wonder how much the DOD pays the NFL to run its propaganda. The Super Bowl is nothing more than a recruiting tool to get more of the GED crowd to give up their life to the government. Posted by: Cynthia | Feb 3 2014 21:07 utc | 64 For those with time and an interest in the historical origins of the National Security State, this is a very good article: Posted by: bevin | Feb 3 2014 22:23 utc | 65 @Mina#59&61:
Posted by: Rusty Pipes | Feb 3 2014 23:03 utc | 66 Possibly related. Suddenly, after three years of conflict and well-known activity by ISIS, a cable purportedly from AQ disavows the group:
ISIS is a renaming of AQI, which still has Al-Bagdadi as its leader. AQI renamed itself ISIS after its Syrian seedpod took the name of JaN. Odd that after all this time, AQ suddenly disowns ISIS. Maybe it has something to do with recent insurgent efforts to claim that ISIS is supported by Assad. Posted by: Rusty Pipes | Feb 3 2014 23:15 utc | 67 RP Posted by: Mina | Feb 4 2014 7:18 utc | 68 Who would figure! Employee of the week is having a tough interview next month Posted by: Mina | Feb 4 2014 7:25 utc | 69 Is Germany re-arming? Japan is too. And this time the US is on the same side, in the middle. Where Italy used to be. Posted by: john francis lee | Feb 4 2014 11:11 utc | 70 Qardawi getting closer to a travel ban Posted by: Mina | Feb 4 2014 13:29 utc | 71 Jarba and his supporters are dreaming… He is the one who will be squeezed to deal with terrorism before any other other discussion.
Posted by: Virgile | Feb 4 2014 15:00 utc | 72 Mina Posted by: Virgile | Feb 4 2014 15:05 utc | 73 Virgile, what do you make of this? Posted by: bevin | Feb 4 2014 15:53 utc | 74
Posted by: Virgile | Feb 4 2014 16:41 utc | 75 On the ground, the agreement implemented in Moaddamiya seems to be extended to other places: namely, checkpoints are operated by both SAA and FSA. FSA people who agree the terms of the musalaha keep their weapons but are in charge of the security of the localities and receive a salary from the governement. One common enemy: the foreign djihadists. Posted by: Mina | Feb 4 2014 17:36 utc | 76 @Mina#59&68:
Posted by: Rusty Pipes | Feb 4 2014 19:28 utc | 77 AIPAC is off-side… except for interior nuisance Posted by: Mina | Feb 4 2014 19:49 utc | 78 Sometime Bhadrakumar can be breathtakingly naive. I mean really, not just pretend, but seriously naive. It’s because, right down to the marrow of his bones, he believes that the US has a Destiny to solve the world’s problems. Don’t ask me why. Maybe he watched too many USAian movies when he was young. Posted by: Rowan Berkeley | Feb 4 2014 19:56 utc | 79 Well, if you wait until Hollande/Fabius/Cameron/Miliband or the Eurocrats move a finger, you may wait for a very long time. Posted by: Mina | Feb 4 2014 20:12 utc | 80 @Virgile#75: Posted by: Rusty Pipes | Feb 4 2014 20:40 utc | 81 @80 It looks like the French business community may not be waiting for permission… Posted by: dh | Feb 4 2014 21:11 utc | 82 @ 82. Posted by: Hoarsewhisperer | Feb 5 2014 0:11 utc | 83 “There is no doubt in my mind that the sub-prime $cam, virtually underwritten by the USG, was designed to wreck the world economy. EVERY US policy since then has been anti-recovery…” Posted by: bevin | Feb 5 2014 1:03 utc | 84 @Bevin Posted by: Virgile | Feb 5 2014 2:22 utc | 85 Regarding the subprime scam: Posted by: Pirouz_2 | Feb 5 2014 3:54 utc | 86 Syrians are contributing to Turks well-being
Posted by: Virgile | Feb 5 2014 13:36 utc | 87 Saudi Arabia-Iran: Is this the message that Obama will carry to Saudi Arabia in March?
Posted by: Virgile | Feb 5 2014 13:45 utc | 88 The death of actor Phillip Seymour Hoffman has the American media in a tizzy over a tremendous rise in US heroin use. Posted by: guest77 | Feb 6 2014 3:35 utc | 89 An oldie, but a must watch for Pepe fans: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZYa7wx2BUkg
Posted by: guest77 | Feb 8 2014 3:34 utc | 90 A great but nasty snowslide (vid) starts small but is quite huge. while I certainly hope diplomacy with Iran moves forward, as a poet I shudder at the execution of of Iranian poet Hashem Shaabani. by signing off on this execution, Rouhani doesn’t appear very moderate, now does he. Posted by: lizard | Feb 8 2014 14:45 utc | 92 @Lizard – thank you for the perspective, b. the poetry foundation picked this up, which is how it got on my radar. I’m not familiar with Freedom House, so I’ll defer to your judgement on this one. Posted by: lizard | Feb 9 2014 14:29 utc | 94 @lizard; Posted by: Pirouz_2 | Feb 9 2014 15:54 utc | 95 @Lizard Assassinating cell phones. Greenwald and Scahill launch their website with piece on NSA and drone strikes. Posted by: catlady | Feb 10 2014 17:15 utc | 97 Previous attempt to post here caught in spam trap? Posted by: catlady | Feb 10 2014 19:39 utc | 98 “First they ignore you, then they laugh at you, then they fight you, then you win.” Posted by: guest77 | Feb 13 2014 4:17 utc | 99 Am I reading this right? Posted by: guest77 | Feb 13 2014 5:32 utc | 100 |
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