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January 17, 2014
open Thread 2014-01
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For a good primer on Iran and the Nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty from an American academic, check out Flynt Leverett’s “The Iranian Nuclear Issue, the End of the American Century, and the Future of International Order.” The link will take you to a page where you can download a PDF. Posted by: Mike Maloney | Jan 17 2014 20:03 utc | 2 Something fun to read: An excerpt from the upcoming book A Secret History of The American Crash, called “The Bombing of Gachsaran Oil Field” Posted by: expat229 | Jan 17 2014 21:07 utc | 3 From the Spanish daily El País: Posted by: Maracatu | Jan 17 2014 21:08 utc | 4 stirring documentary on Naxal uprising in India. Posted by: ruralito | Jan 17 2014 23:30 utc | 6 @5 – i heard obama’s voice saying syrian regime change on cbc 4pm news here as well.. i like the open nature of this.. regime change is cool if it is someone we want to get rid of, but if it is one of our dictators – well they can continue on indefinitely.. the silence around egypt speaks volumes. Posted by: james | Jan 18 2014 0:47 utc | 7 To convince the opposition to go to Geneva and to prepare himslef for a let down, Kerry is hysterically making promises that he will have hard time honoring. In the same time he hopes to provoke Syria to contradict him openly so he can call off Geneva II and put the blame on Bashar al Assad. Posted by: Virgile | Jan 18 2014 1:37 utc | 8 Hi Virgile…. I think that is, “Geneva II is a lose-lose for the opposition and they know it. Posted by: Skip | Jan 18 2014 1:56 utc | 9 I attended a screening of Robert Stone’s film “Pandora Promises” last night with Robert present with a panel of four afterward. I viewed the film with an open mind (in my mind) and was partially swayed from my anti-nuclear position during the film but felt a lot of inner turmoil and disturbance. I wasn’t clear enough with my thoughts to ask a question afterward but listened to the panel and then left to do a lot of mulling. Posted by: juannie | Jan 18 2014 2:07 utc | 10 I viewed the film with an open mind (in my mind)… Posted by: Hoarsewhisperer | Jan 18 2014 2:24 utc | 11 *It is the biggest investor in oilfields in South Sudan through state-owned Chinese oil groups China National Petroleum Corp (CNPC) and Sinopec. The fighting forced CNPC to evacuate workers.* Posted by: denk | Jan 18 2014 3:02 utc | 12 Where is the Man from Atlantis when one needs him? It is not looking good under the waves.
What a depressing read. Posted by: Juan Moment | Jan 18 2014 3:15 utc | 13 Lapid: We need to get rid of the Palestinians Posted by: g_h | Jan 18 2014 12:30 utc | 14 Alot of movement seems to be going on behind the scenes in the Middle East. Of course next Wednesday is the long awaited Geneva 2 peace talks. Washington is going for its Plan B, where regime change by military force failed, they will attempt regime change via political negotiations. The goal of the Resistance Axis and Russia will be to hamper this goal and with victories on the ground they have some breathing room.
Of course everyone knows Russia doesn’t need to buy oil from anyone. So why is it spending 18 Billion to buy Iranian oil? In order to repackage it as “Russian Oil” and then sell it on to India and China, thus getting around the sanctions regime. It also has the benefit of strenghtening Iran ahead of the nuclear talks and the Congressional troubles by making it clear that the sanctions against Iran are collapsing anyway so the US might as well do a deal now.
Turkey and Iran used to stand shoulder to shoulder with regards Israel, the Iraq war, and Hezbollah. Around 2011 and the start of the Arab Spring they moved apart taking opposite sides. Since then though Turkey has been betrayed, first in Egypt where it lost its ally Morsi because of the actions of its new allies in the US-Saudi. Then Syria turned into a mess and Turkey was left to deal with refugees, the odd car bomb, and instability. Now Erdogan believes the US is trying to get rid of him via the Gulen Movement. With allies like that who needs enemies? Maybe its time for Turkey to go back to old allies.
It would be good to get Turkey back to the days when it sent the Mavi Marmava aid convoy to Gaza, such a move would also be good for Iran since it could show Shia Iran in alliance with Sunni Turkey in the face of Saudi extremism. Posted by: Colm O’ Toole | Jan 18 2014 14:56 utc | 15 13, Thanks for that. Very sad. When the Navy is discussing this – tasked with defending the “way of life” that makes it possible – you know we’re deep in it. Posted by: guest77 | Jan 18 2014 16:16 utc | 17 Highly recommended: Posted by: bevin | Jan 18 2014 17:23 utc | 18 @18 Thanks for that bevin – for this link and others you post, but especially your own writings, which have had a great affect on me.
Posted by: guest77 | Jan 18 2014 19:40 utc | 19 @15 Followed the link from Bhadrakumar to always untrustworthy debka, and I very much hope they are lying as usual about “Iranian plan”: Posted by: Harry | Jan 18 2014 21:34 utc | 20 Great link bevin@18. I found this depressing piece on Europe’s situation. Posted by: okie farmer | Jan 18 2014 21:58 utc | 21 okiefarmer. Thanks for this and the same to Guest77 for his link. MR has lots of good stuff. I inherited about fifteen years worth of the print edition but I never even bothered to look into them for years. Posted by: bevin | Jan 19 2014 0:17 utc | 22 I did not write the following but it needs to be known..
Posted by: Uncle $cam | Jan 19 2014 5:43 utc | 23 Coming soon, massive insurance company bailouts. People ranting about socialism have it all wrong. Obamacare is a corporate welfare scheme for insurance companies, pure and simple. They are the “takers,” and they can’t lose: Posted by: Cynthia | Jan 19 2014 13:29 utc | 24 ” People ranting about socialism have it all wrong. ” – You can say that again. The Alex Jones people drive me mad. At least the more intelligent ones like Kurt Nimmo must know that their constant 1950s-style red-baiting is just something they do to keep their big donors happy. The trick is the constant use of the code-word “globalists”, which every now and then they say means ‘socialists’ but generally just leave hanging in its ambiguity. Posted by: Rowan Berkeley | Jan 19 2014 14:13 utc | 25 Here in Geneva a group of 48 Syrian women (NGOs, associations, politically and ‘ethnically’ all over the board) finished a three day talking session and have set up a common agenda. They are asking for a seat at the Geneva 2 negotiation table. Well, seats, actually, as they claim to have members on / belonging to all sides. If this is refused (echoes seem to be positive in some measure ??) they will form their own delegation and make a lot of noise. Posted by: Noirette | Jan 19 2014 14:26 utc | 26 On: *the death of social democracy in the age of global monopoly financial capital*, posted by bevin at 18. Posted by: Noirette | Jan 19 2014 16:13 utc | 27 bevin (#18);
Posted by: Pirouz_2 | Jan 19 2014 16:17 utc | 28 So, because there was some brief discussion of it here (in the comments), and because I have a long commute, I decided to put Sen. Bob Graham’s The Keys to the Kingdom into my book pile. I had originally felt that this would be the book to lay out the case against the Saudis should they get too unmanageable due to their anger over the US/Iran rapprochement.
Now, I don’t think anyone could possibly accuse US foreign policy of showing “excessive affection” for the Muslim world. I don’t think anyone could possibly accuse US foreign policy of showing “excessive affection” for the plight of the Palestinians. Though maybe Sen. Graham thinks even what little care we do show for the victims of Israel is still too much. Posted by: guest77 | Jan 19 2014 20:42 utc | 29 @Rowan Berkeley, Re: Al Akhbar comment about Ali Abunimah and coverage of Palestinian refugees. Posted by: Rusty Pipes | Jan 20 2014 2:04 utc | 30 CODE BLUE – FOR YOUR EYES ONLY Posted by: Chip Nikh | Jan 20 2014 8:59 utc | 31 13 Posted by: Chip Nikh | Jan 20 2014 9:47 utc | 32 Extended George Galloway Q&A Session in Lebanon: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kAjn-4Qsjwg
Posted by: guest77 | Jan 21 2014 6:27 utc | 33 I found this to be pretty interesting: Posted by: guest77 | Jan 21 2014 6:44 utc | 34 Do you remember Rebekah Brooks? The editor of various Murdoch-owned British tabloids who was forced to resign amid a phone hacking scandal? Well, her story has got some pretty amusing sidelobes:
Posted by: Rowan Berkeley | Jan 21 2014 9:29 utc | 35 34 Posted by: Chip Nikh | Jan 21 2014 10:24 utc | 36 Snowden to do a Q&A this Thursday, the 23rd: http://freesnowden.is/_2476.html Posted by: guest77 | Jan 22 2014 3:20 utc | 37 BBC pussy-footing around the Ukrainian fascists. Posted by: guest77 | Jan 22 2014 3:42 utc | 38 One day Klichko announces that there may be casualties, and guess what, the next evening it happens. Apparently one demonstrator has been snipered “by the police”. Posted by: peter radiator | Jan 22 2014 9:15 utc | 39 oh, I’m referring to this. Just picked it from the guardian randomly, the story is the same in every today’s paper. Posted by: peter radiator | Jan 22 2014 9:17 utc | 40 damn, forgot to close the tag. could you correct and delete this one? sorry. Posted by: peter radiator | Jan 22 2014 9:18 utc | 41 Interesting debate on the possibility of a settlement on the nuclear issue between US and Iran: Posted by: Pirouz_2 | Jan 23 2014 1:50 utc | 42 The US Empire has cast the dice: Erdogan has no longer the support of the US. His days are numbered. Posted by: Willy2 | Jan 23 2014 20:14 utc | 43 Very disappointed by this debate Posted by: ruralito | Jan 23 2014 20:31 utc | 44 OP, Ian Beckett sums it up well: “Red convenience Islamist George Galloway vs Sunday Times armchair leftie Aaronovitch” Posted by: ruralito | Jan 23 2014 20:34 utc | 45 Men and women together, fighting for freedom and killing fascists! Posted by: ruralito | Jan 23 2014 20:38 utc | 46 Commies spreading … OMG! … Literacy! Posted by: ruralito | Jan 23 2014 21:29 utc | 47 The US Empire has cast the dice: Erdogan has no longer the support of the US. His days are numbered. Posted by: Willy2 | Jan 23 2014 21:29 utc | 48 Posted by: dan of steele | Jan 28, 2014 2:25:54 PM | 49 Posted by: sheesh | Jan 28 2014 21:15 utc | 50 |
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