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@ Parviziyi
All of the people interviewed were supportive of ISIS’s goals. Now here’s a nugget from ISIS’s own video: Question by ISIS interviewer: “What do you think about the guys from the Islamic State [of Iraq and Syria] Answer by a local resident of Aleppo: “May the Almighty bless them! They left their homeland, their families, their kids, and came to help us….”
Really? Your saying that some civilians in areas seized by ISIS, praise the group, while surrounded by ISIS goons? Tell me, what do you think would happen to those guys if they condemned ISIS in front of them. This is about as heavy handed as asking those abducted nuns if they are happy while surrounded by their kidnappers.
Posted by: Colm O’ Toole | Dec 27 2013 14:23 utc | 101
I can’t read most of the recent posts as someone must have linked to a very long url…
Posted by: crone | Dec 27 2013 14:37 utc | 102
I love this blog, but the format of the comments sucks big-time.
Posted by: PhilK | Dec 27 2013 14:55 utc | 103
This is about as heavy handed as asking those abducted nuns if they are happy while surrounded by their kidnappers.
Or worse…
Posted by: Hoarsewhisperer | Dec 27 2013 14:56 utc | 104
Had missed that the slimy george clooney support the rioters in Ukraine.
http://www.cbc.ca/news/arts/george-clooney-supports-ukrainian-protesters-in-video-1.2458259
Posted by: Anonymous | Dec 27 2013 15:17 utc | 105
CROCKER: That would be an argument from people who simply don’t understand Syria’s history. As I pointed out before, Hama 1982 when Hafez Al-Assad’s forces annihilated the Syrian Muslim Brothers in Syria’s fourth largest city and in the process, they killed somewhere north of 15,000 innocent Sunni civilians. Look, I make no apologies for this regime.
It is brutal beyond belief. But what happened in 1982 were two things. First, the regime was not stupid. They realized that there might be a day of reckoning and they spend three decades being ready to prevail against it. This is not Egypt. It’s not Libya. It’s not Tunisia. These guys are ready for the fight. The second thing that happened, of course, is that it radicalized the Sunni population.
They had to keep it quiet, but those currents were always there. So I don’t buy the argument that gee, if we had just come in earlier with more support that moderates would have prevailed. If we’d come in earlier with more support, the extremists, Al-Qaida, would have more arms because they would’ve taken them away from that of those we were trying to support just as we saw up north with the raid on Free Syrian Army warehouses.
That’s the hard truth.
SIEGEL: Well, let’s assume that you’re right and that Assad is likely to survive in power. What does it mean to come to grips with that? What would U.S. policy be in relation to a government that President Obama has said should be done with already and that we weren’t very close with before all this fighting began?
CROCKER: You know, if you’re going to set out a policy, you better have the means to make it work. We didn’t understand the realities and our policy isn’t working. We have the Geneva conference coming up. We will be there. Syrian officials will be there. It is an opportunity for us to begin a quiet dialogue.
SIEGEL: You mean a dialogue with the Assad regime, with its representative in Geneva.
CROCKER: I do, yeah.
SIEGEL: Can’t you imagine the repatriation of millions of Syrians who fled the war to Syrian state that might reasonably be very suspicious of those people who left?
CROCKER: That would be part of a negotiation. Clearly, if we’re going to reengage with this regime and, you know, look for a negotiated settlement, it’s going to have to involve certain guarantees and certain protections. These people fled because of the violence. Not just violence from the regime but violence on all sides. They weren’t part of the fight so they need assured that they will have reasonable protections when they return. And it is in the interest of the regime that they do return. You can’t rebuild the state with millions of its population displaced internally or in exile.
SIEGEL: You’ve said that what’s worse than the Assad regime would be al-Qaida in Syria. But wouldn’t accepting the Assad regime’s continuance mean accepting an alliance stretching from Iran through Iraq, Syria and Southern Lebanon, of Shia or Shia-backed forces that are extremely hostile to U.S. interests?
CROCKER: You know, Robert, let me make a basic point: The world is as it is. The world is not made to our order. The simple fact is Assad is not going. I mean that in my view is the fact. We need to come to terms with it. You know, we cannot wish it away. We have to deal with it.
Posted by: somebody | Dec 27 2013 16:02 utc | 106
@ Colm O’Toole #98, Hoarsewhisperer #101: You didn’t take the time to watch the video of the people being interviewed on the street in Aleppo. Here’s the link again: http://eaworldview.com/2013/10/syria-spotlight-winning-hearts-minds-aleppo-think-islamic-state-of-iraq/ . In the video interviews, the people speak in Arabic and subtitles are provided in Russian, but you don’t need to understand Arabic or Russian to be able to see from the visuals that the people are volunteering their own opinion in all good faith and sincerety. The context in which they’re interviewed is that they’ve voluntarily turned up for a religous-themed street event during Ramadan last August in Aleppo city. Also the particular interviewee who I quoted at #96 exudes Salafi-ism in all his appearances — he’s in the video from time 3:35 to 3:55. You are making a terrible mistake when you put him or any of the others into comparison with nuns.
Weddings, funerals, they didn’t get that in the drone world it’s forbidden to move in a group?
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-25529232
Posted by: Mina | Dec 27 2013 17:36 utc | 108
@ Colm O’Toole #98, Hoarsewhisperer #101: The Salafi-looking interviewee is in the video at time 3:26 to 3:53. As another item on the same lines of thought, there’s a Wahabbi-looking guy at time 1:05 who says: “May God bless the Mujahideen [armed rebels] who came to us from faraway lands, it doesn’t matter which lands, from Islamic countries, whether that’s Jordan, Saudi Arabia, Iraq, we are all brothers before Allah!” http://eaworldview.com/2013/10/syria-spotlight-winning-hearts-minds-aleppo-think-islamic-state-of-iraq/ . Video is also at http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OBXe4soflVE .
re 62. Gülen is a deep Turkish movement, difficult to handle for Erdogan, but not a puppet of the CIA.
Posted by: alexno | Dec 27 2013 23:04 utc | 110
There are some interesting observations in this Guardian piece.
http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2013/dec/27/political-protest-networked-age-edward-snowden
Mason is right about the level of repression/fear in societies in the “west” which is holding back the flood of protest, like a dam.
Which dam will burst next? And make the New Year a happy one.
Greetings to all who make this site so unique. And cursed be those who would turn into just another whittering hole for pretentious paranoiacs and pessimists who see the hand of an omnipotent ruling class wherever a glint of light of breaks through.
Anyone who has seen the state afraid, knows how fragile its power is. Anyone who understands the fear behind militarised policing, mass surveillance and official secrecy realises that what we face is not an all powerful machine but a bunch of greedy cowards afraid of their victims.
Posted by: bevin | Dec 27 2013 23:23 utc | 111
Parviziyi @ 104.
My post was purely opportunistic. Colm said something, near the end of the previous page, which resonated with me. I wanted to reinforce it. I don’t know how genuine the video you’re referring to is, but I do know that Obama’s, Bandar’s, Cameron’s, BBC’s & CNN’s anti-Assad “rebels” have produced thousands of fake videos. So I would need to see more than that number of pro-rev videos to believe that the “rebels” have become “popular” with pro-Assad Syrians.
While I’m waiting for that day to arrive, I’ll remain steadfastly unconvinced.
Posted by: Hoarsewhisperer | Dec 28 2013 4:00 utc | 112
re 62. Gülen is a deep Turkish movement, difficult to handle for Erdogan, but not a puppet of the CIA. Posted by: alexno | Dec 27, 2013 6:04:33 PM | 107
There are many obvious reasons to assume Gulen is a puppet of the CIA, starting with a 2009 interview with Sibel Edmonds that contained the following exchange:
GIRALDI: You also have information on al-Qaeda, specifically al-Qaeda in Central Asia and Bosnia. You were privy to conversations that suggested the CIA was supporting al-Qaeda in central Asia and the Balkans, training people to get money, get weapons, and this contact continued until 9/11…
EDMONDS: I don’t know if it was CIA. There were certain forces in the US government who worked with the Turkish paramilitary groups, including Abdullah Çatli’s group, Fethullah Gülen.
GIRALDI: Well, that could be either Joint Special Operations Command or CIA.
EDMONDS: Maybe in a lot of cases when they said State Department, they meant CIA?
GIRALDI: When they said State Department, they probably meant CIA.
EDMONDS: Okay. So these conversations, between 1997 and 2001, had to do with a Central Asia operation that involved bin Laden. Not once did anybody use the word “al-Qaeda.” It was always “mujahideen,” always “bin Laden” and, in fact, not “bin Laden” but “bin Ladens” plural. There were several bin Ladens who were going on private jets to Azerbaijan and Tajikistan. The Turkish ambassador in Azerbaijan worked with them…
Posted by: Rowan Berkeley | Dec 28 2013 6:24 utc | 113
The hostile takeover of the USSA by the Israeli 5th column is nearly complete.
Posted by: john francis lee | Dec 28 2013 7:11 utc | 114
syrian Druze converted to wahhabism…new suicide bomber material? #subversion
http://english.al-akhbar.com/content/saudi-preacher-%E2%80%98guides%E2%80%99-syrian-druze-wahhabi-salvation
Posted by: brian | Dec 28 2013 7:29 utc | 115
the “rebels” have become “popular” with pro-Assad Syrians.
While I’m waiting for that day to arrive, I’ll remain steadfastly unconvinced.
Posted by: Hoarsewhisperer | Dec 27, 2013 11:00:13 PM | 109
what a bizarre idea…! unless its the religious converts?
syrians who are pro-Assad are unlikely to be pro-insurgency
Posted by: brian | Dec 28 2013 7:31 utc | 116
‘it doesn’t matter which lands, from Islamic countries, whether that’s Jordan, Saudi Arabia, Iraq, we are all brothers before Allah!”…’
Posted by: Parviziyi | Dec 27, 2013 12:49:20 PM | 106
and according to the terrorists, Allah supports their cause…not that youd know, because allah has said nothing about supproting anyones cause! Its : trust me : Allah supports the wahhhabis
Posted by: brian | Dec 28 2013 7:33 utc | 117
Posted by: Parviziyi | Dec 27, 2013 8:27:50 AM | 96
thats me Parviziyi…and there is some quantitative data,….insofar as there can be in a place where one set of combatants kills anyone seeking quantitative data:
this syriann tweeter goes to some effort to identify foreign jihadis
https://twitter.com/KeepingtheLeith
Posted by: brian | Dec 28 2013 7:45 utc | 118
@96
there should be NO foreigners in syria AT ALL…that they need foreigners and open borders to let them sneak thru is why these ‘rebel’s have no cause
Posted by: brian | Dec 28 2013 7:57 utc | 119
for 111 and the saudi preacher, just to reiterate, saudis dont allow preaching by non sunnis in their country, christians are beyond the pale let along anyone else
‘ court in Saudi Arabia has sentenced two men to lashes and prison terms for converting a woman to Christianity and helping her flee the conservative Islamic kingdom, the Saudi Gazette reported on Monday.’
A Lebanese man was sentenced to six years in prison and 300 lashes for converting the woman, while a Saudi man was sentenced to two years and 200 lashes for aiding her escape abroad, the English-language daily said. It added that the pair had challenged the verdict and would appeal.
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/middle-east/saudi-arabia-to-punish-men-for-converting-woman-to-christianity-8613463.html
so why not give the saudi preachers in syria a taste of their own medicine
Posted by: brian | Dec 28 2013 8:01 utc | 120
from Hands off Syria:
https://www.facebook.com/groups/325039527571295/permalink/560279860713926/
a delegation from australia has been to syria to show their support for the syria govt army and people, led by Prof Tim Anderson of Sydney Uni
Lattakia military hospital –
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wNqkTz6cF-A&feature=share
, Marlene Obeid and 3 others like this.
Tim Anderson Australian delegation with the governor of Lattakia, at a military hospital and at Tishreen University
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Khaled Al-Qassimi i can translate it if you want.
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Khaled Al-Qassimi The governor of Latakia (ahmad sheikh abdel kader) and Security branch of latakia headed by mohamad shraytah met with delegates from australia made up from journalists and writers. In addition people from “hands off syria” (0- 22 seconds)
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Khaled Al-Qassimi after such meeting they visited a military hospital.
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Khaled Al-Qassimi The soldier said that the terrorists were composed of libyans , algerians , tunisians. which the governor summed up under one word ” they came from several regions”
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Khaled Al-Qassimi The other soldier said that we saw fighters from aghanistan and the dogs of erdogan.(1:03)
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Khaled Al-Qassimi Prof Tim Anderson from ( 1:35 ) says : We came to uncover the truth about the syrian conflict , furthering ourselves from the lies media outlets were projecting. We found that syrians are fighting terrorists from 83 coutnries . The people of syria are also sacrificing themselves to keep syria stable.
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Khaled Al-Qassimi The injured soldiers have a moral despite the severity of the injuries and thats because the syrian people are with them. The fact that the soldiers come from across syria proves that the syrian people are together. (2:01)
Posted by: brian | Dec 28 2013 8:11 utc | 121
107 Alexno – yep. The US cultivate him though.
Now to America. Gülen lives in the United States, and he has received praise and support from high-level figures in the American government. Bill Clinton and James Baker have delivered encomiums to his contributions to world peace, for instance, and President Obama has made an admiring visit to the Gülen-inspired Pinnacle School in Washington, D.C. Former CIA officer Graham Fuller—also former vice chairman of the National Intelligence Council and the author of The Future of Political Islam—vouched for Gülen personally in his green-card application process, as did former CIA officer George Fidas and former ambassador to Turkey Morton Abramowitz.
All this support fuels conspiracy theories in Turkey and feeds deep anti-American sentiment among those who fear Gülen. They don’t understand why these former spooks and diplomats have been helping him. Frankly, neither do I. Nor can I dismiss their fears as absurd Oriental delusions; on the face of it, it might make sense for the United States to back Gülen. He is pragmatically pro-American; he has been quoted as saying that he would do nothing to undermine America’s interests in the region. He is suspicious of Russians and Iranians, as are we. He is influential enough in Turkey that it’s at least plausible to imagine that America wants to placate him or use him. I understand why many Turks believe that Gülen is reposing himself in the Poconos because, for some inscrutable imperial purpose, we’re protecting him.
Unfortunately, I know enough about American foreign policy to be confident that we’re not that smart. Our government is often astonishingly incompetent, with branches habitually failing to communicate important information with one another and even senior officials uninterested in following the details of complex events in Turkey. I also know that Americans are on the whole very kind and decent and want very much to be friends with Muslims who say that they denounce terrorism. But they don’t understand that by befriending Gülen, they infuriate Muslims in Turkey who likewise denounce terrorism but who also loathe Gülen as a power-hungry opportunist.
Gülen has used his time in America to become the largest operator—or perhaps merely inspirer—of charter schools in the United States. Sharon Higgins, who founded the organization Parents Across America, believes that there are now 135 Gülen-inspired charter schools in the country, enrolling some 45,000 students. That would make the Gülen network larger than KIPP—the runner-up, with 109 schools.
Talking about charter schools and Obama’s preference …
Posted by: somebody | Dec 28 2013 8:54 utc | 122
are saudi men the problem? some may be the solution
http://saudiwoman.me/2013/11/02/saudi-men-who-have-gone-to-prison-for-helping-saudi-women/
Frances
November 4, 2013 at 10:08 pm
I house three Saudi Arabian students in Austin, Texas. I was deeply saddened that all three were hoping that Saudi women would all be arrested for driving on that special October day. They each told me that Saudi women were too cute and silly to drive. I reminded them that as a woman, I had just driven them 700 round trip miles to the tip of Texas to go to South Padre Island for a vacation. They responded by saying, “But you are an American and have experience. Our woman do not have experience and do not want to drive. The world just needs to leave them alone.” When I tried to introduce the concept that if just ONE Saudi woman wanted to drive, the right, by equality, should be there. They just couldn’t grasp that understanding. I have had 22 Saudi students in my home over the years and none…absolutely none…have any interest in seeing any personal freedoms increased for their mothers, sisters or future daughters. The thought of women’s equality never, ever crosses their mind.
Frances
Posted by: brian | Dec 28 2013 8:57 utc | 123
Excuse me, somebody (#118), but your lengthy quote from Claire Berlinksi is a classic piece of manipulative bullshit. We are supposed to believe that because the author disparages the USA, she is “one of us” and can be trusted when she tells us that Gulen does not work for the CIA. And who is the author? “Sshe is a senior fellow for Turkey at the American Foreign Policy Council and a Manhattan Institute scholar.”
Posted by: Rowan Berkeley | Dec 28 2013 9:46 utc | 124
Come to think of it, the discussion in that Berlinski article of the Sledgehammer trials makes quite good sense: as I said, the evidence was forged or in many cases non-existent, but that doesn’t mean the Sledgehammer and the earlier Ergenekon conspiracies in the Army and the security services weren’t real. What it means is, just as Sibel Edmonds has explained at length in many posts and interviews, is this: up until a certain point, roughly marked by the Susurlik affair, the CIA had a classic Gladio type of operation, a “deep state” hard right coup apparatus within the Army and secret services that could take over in the event of a dangerous win at the polls by Left parties, and that in the meantime could stage false flag incidents to discredit the Left. This is the same Gladio pattern well-known across Europe. But, as Sibel explains, after that point in time the CIA phased out the old networks and moved to a new system, which she calls “Gladio II”, based on islamist networks.
Posted by: Rowan Berkeley | Dec 28 2013 10:35 utc | 125
The army ambushed and killed dozens of terrorists affiliated to Jabhet al-Nusra between the areas of Maaloula and al-Qastal.
80 terrorists were killed and dozens others were injured, adding that many of the killed terrorists were of Egyptian, Saudi, Libyan and Pakistani nationalities.
https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=696149917070240&set=a.696149597070272.1073741836.690974184254480&type=1&theater
Syrian Lion
@SyrianLion_
An egyptian passport & a fake Syrian ID found with the terrorists sent to hell between Maaloula & al Qastal #Syria pic.twitter.com/OOPio7Qzn1
Posted by: brian | Dec 28 2013 11:25 utc | 126
This is the same Gladio pattern well-known across Europe. But, as Sibel explains, after that point in time the CIA phased out the old networks and moved to a new system, which she calls “Gladio II”, based on islamist networks.
Posted by: Rowan Berkeley | Dec 28, 2013 5:35:39 AM | 121
‘islamist networks’…..now thats interesting!
Posted by: brian | Dec 28 2013 11:28 utc | 127
Sibel’s most comprehensive expositions of the “Gladio II” theory are here and here.
Posted by: Rowan Berkeley | Dec 28 2013 11:42 utc | 128
Damnit, my reply went into the spam hole because it contained two links. These are the two major expositions Sibel gave of the Gladio 2 theory. Here they are separately:
first link…..
Posted by: Rowan Berkeley | Dec 28 2013 11:45 utc | 129
Erdogan doesnt like protests or rebels in turkey!!!tho he supports them in syria
arrests 31 protestors in Turkey….Turkeys Daraa?
where are the snipers to help cause chaos?
Erdogan’s authorities arrest 31 protestors during popular demonstrations
Dec 27, 2013
Ankara, (SANA) – Wide popular protests continued in different Turkish cities, demanding the Recep Tayyip Erdogan –headed Government of Justice and Development Party to resign on the background of corruption scandals of Government’s ministers and officials.
The police, otherwise, suppressed the protesters by force and arrested 31 people, in addition to having injured two others, according the AFP.
The Turkish police dispersed by force thousands of protestors urging Erdogan to resign in Istanbul and Ankara using water hoses, rubber bullets and tear gas.
This political crisis has raised high concerns in the markets, where Turkey’s lira sinks to record low despite Central Bank intervention.
R. Milhem / Mazen
http://sana.sy/eng/22/2013/12/27/519765.htm
Posted by: brian | Dec 28 2013 13:09 utc | 131
how to defeat takfiris
https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10152192839892625&set=a.420930657624.196709.650897624&type=1&theater
Posted by: brian | Dec 28 2013 13:13 utc | 132
Hoarsewhisperer #109: The video shows that the rebel organization “Islamic State in Iraq and Syria” (“ISIS”) is NOT popular in Aleppo city. To repeat: the video was produced by ISIS; it consists of selected interviews with a half a dozen Aleppo city locals who are not members of ISIS; the interviewees express support for ISIS’s goals (yawn); two of the interviewees indicate that the ISIS rebels are predominantly non-Syrians (interesting). It implies that ISIS has not been able to recruit rebels among the locals in the neighborhoods in Aleppo that ISIS controls.
Question by ISIS interviewer: “What do you think about the guys from ISIS?”
Answer by a Salafi-looking resident of Aleppo: “They left their homeland, their families, their kids, and came to help us….”
http://eaworldview.com/2013/10/syria-spotlight-winning-hearts-minds-aleppo-think-islamic-state-of-iraq/
re RB 113 etc
There are many obvious reasons to assume Gulen is a puppet of the CIA
You are too much into conspiracy theory here. ‘In contact with’, ‘allied to’, ‘funded by’ is not the same as ‘puppet’. Gülen is a genuinely independently powerful organisation, which may be profiting from CIA support. But the CIA is not running the show. Gülen’s policies are not pseudo-American, very Turkish, rather.
Posted by: alexno | Dec 28 2013 15:36 utc | 134
You presumably think that using the expression ‘conspiracy theory’ puts you into some sort of ‘adult’ category as a ‘thinker’, but actually you’re just being obtuse. You wind up with a meaningless claim about ‘national character’, always the last refuge before religion of the scoundrel, though you may just be a fool. My judgment about you and your train of thought is the same as my judgment about most of what everybody in the ‘official’ world says: they’re either fools or crooks, and so are you.
Posted by: Rowan Berkeley | Dec 28 2013 16:37 utc | 135
Alright then, here are some words from the wise:
As massive as our intelligence community has become in itself, we still operate strictly on the finance capitalist principle of leverage. Just as a rational finance capitalist never owns more stock in a corporation than the bare minimum required for control, intelligence operatives are placed only in as many key positions as are required to control the target organizations. Our goal, after all, is agent control of all significant organizations, not intelligence community membership for the entire population. The organizational pattern of baffling “circles within circles,” characteristic of classical secret societies, is retained and refined by our intelligence community. That “one hand not know what the other is doing” is essential to the success of our operations. In most cases, we do not allow the operatives themselves to know the ultimate, and when possible, even the short-range objectives of their assignments. They operate under “covers” that disguise our goals not only from the public and target groups, but from the agents themselves.
For instance, many agents operating under “left cover” are led to believe that the agency, or at least their department, is secretly, but sincerely motivated by socialistic ideology. Thus, they assume that the intelligence agency’s ultimate goal is to guide left-wing groups in “productive” directions, even though they cannot always see how their own assignment fits into those assumed goals. Other “left-cover” agents, those with right-wing predilections, are encouraged to believe the agency is simply “monitoring” violence-prone subversive groups in order to protect the public. When such agents are asked to participate in or even lead radical activity they assume that the ultimate objective is to fully infiltrate and destroy the organization for the good of the country. This is very seldom the case. We waste little or no money protecting the “public” or defending the “nation.” Agents operating under “right-cover” are handled in symmetrical fashion. Agents with right-wing prejudices are encouraged to believe the agency is right-wing. Left-prejudiced agents are asked to operate under “right-cover” in order to “monitor” dangerous rightist organizations.
Most intelligence agents remain blithely ignorant of the big picture which is so clear to us from our spectacular vantage point. Very few have enough information or intelligence to reason out how their specific and sometimes baffling assignments promote the legislative, judicial, operational and propaganda needs of our Money Power. Most would never try. They are paid too much to think about such things. Agents with a “gangster-cover” are of two types. First, there is the sincere gangster that draws his salary from an intelligence agency. He is led to believe that the gangland “Godfathers” control the government agency for their own purposes. Actually, the situation is the opposite. The agency controls the gangster for other purposes. Second, is the sincere crime fighter who is led to believe that the agency is at tempting to infiltrate and monitor the gangsters as a preliminary step to destroying organized crime. Such “upstanding” agents commit many crimes in their zeal to rid the country of organized crime!…
Posted by: Rowan Berkeley | Dec 29 2013 8:51 utc | 137
I suspect that all the prattle about ‘uniting’ the Syrian opposition jihadis is so extraordinarilly stupid that it’s probably true. It’s a 24 carat, solid gold way to guarantee that the SAA wins. Sorry I can’t explain why, but I’m convinced that US/NATO/Saudi’s military “geniuses” really are too fucking stupidly self-obsessed to figure it out for themselves.
Posted by: Hoarsewhisperer | Dec 30 2013 3:58 utc | 138
Well hope and peace and love or whatever. Happy Holidays and a Great New Year to all.
Posted by: Noirette | Jan 1 2014 18:03 utc | 139