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December 31, 2013
From iPhone to Cisco Routers – NSA Hacks It All

Everyone should read the SPIEGEL story and check the graphics and docs about the NSA's Tailored Access Operation. They describe the hardware and software tools the NSA uses to break into every level of computing – from your cellphone up to carrier class internet routers. The Apple iPhone for example is, as was to be expected, one of the devices the NSA can crack and silently control anytime it tries.

Jacob Appelbaum, who helped reporting the story, yesterday gave an hour long talk about these NSA abilities. I recommend to listen to it. He rightly points out one of the main issues that even supporters of the NSA spying should have serious headaches about. If the NSA can use the software and hardware bugs in various devices to take control over them then others can do this too. I bet that there are criminals out there who use exactly the same problematic holes the NSA uses for its spying. Such holes should be fixed and not abused.

One aspect that may help top rein in the NSA's totally overdone "collect it all" and "hack it all" attitude is the extreme damage this report will do to the U.S. computer and internet companies. Why would I buy Cisco routers or an iPhone when it is publicly known that these are extremely unsafe devices?

The NSA hacking and spying was the biggest story of 2013. It is also quite likely that further reporting on and the fallout from it will be the biggest story of 2014. Some media try to propagandize that people are okay with this NSA business and that no actions need to follow. Don't let them fool you. People do care and many are already changing some of their online habits. But there has to build even more pressure for real change to come.

My big "thank you"s for this year goes to Edward Snowden for the courage to go public with the NSA interna and to Glenn Greenwald for the excellent management of the drip by drip publication that keeps this very important story alive.

Thank you also to my readers and the commentators here who keep me motivated to continue this blog. Have a good new year in which hopefully no one will spy on you.

Comments

Thats nice
I too have travelled extensively with computers (plural) – unlike you I’ve hard far more problems at customs while carrying computers (plural) than while transporting drives. In fact i’ve never had a problem while transporting drives, only when carring more than one computer.

Posted by: stfu | Jan 5 2014 10:38 utc | 101

#97
“If that is the best “proof” you can produce, you have no grounds for suspicion.”
You are delusional beyond belief, for sure you should read “Extraordinary Popular Delusions and the Madness of Crowds”. The NYT, the Guardian, Spiegel are your best friends.

Posted by: neretva’43 | Jan 5 2014 14:20 utc | 102

“Insanity in individuals is something rare – but in groups, parties, nations and epochs, it is the rule.”
– Friedrich Nietzsche
Indeed, in this epoch…epoch of aleaks (literary and figuratively) the above notion is as valid as always. A science despite its advances hasn’t brought more intelligence. A groups still can’t see the differences between fact and fiction.

Posted by: neretva’43 | Jan 5 2014 14:51 utc | 103

Thanks to Uncle Scam @ 97 and Juan Moment at @98 for pointing to Trevor Paglen’s presentation. A site giving “basic instruction” on using internet tools like those producing the results cited by Paglen would be of great value. Any suggestions along these lines would be appreciated.
I suspect that the widespread prevalence of governmental collection of private and commercial information and the financial and technical resources available to those carrying out such shadowy tasks imply that virtually anyone, anywhere and at anytime, could, with suitable but entirely legal diligence, uncover “local” examples of those activities.

Posted by: Hannah K. O’Luthon | Jan 5 2014 15:06 utc | 104

I should have cited the posts @98 and @99 in my previous post, rather
than @97 and @98.
An interesting reading on the NYTimes clemency-for-Snowden
editorial is given here..

Posted by: Hannah K. O’Luthon | Jan 5 2014 15:32 utc | 105

    Who benefits from discrediting Snowden, calling into question his “leaks” and clearing the NSA of the charges he has made?

Oh stfu you halfwit.
No one “clear[ed] the NSA of the charges he has made”.
Only a halfwit would make the claim.
Anyone that knew anything about the subject already guessed what Gov’t can do in terms of surveillance. Only dinosaurs and halfwits, generally people that cannot think for themselves, would need a 3rd party like Snowden to tell em anything

Posted by: stfu | Jan 5 2014 17:40 utc | 106

The more I think about it, I find something smelly about Snowden and his leaks.
It was, for instance, known for years that zusa intel services had direct acess to major communications centers. Similarly, Echelon would at least very strongly indicate their relentless and law ignorant desire – as well as factual operations – to gather all possible data.
Finally, it has never been a secret that nsa (among others) has always been at the encryption – and cracking – front.
Yet, little of all this has ever been written about in the msm, and even less has it created major significant waves of concern.
Basically, all Snowden has done was giving some details – or the impression thereof – because actually most of what we saw so far was powerpoint slides (which is about as far from technical reality and details as a cow is from elegance in tango dancing).
But – hold your breath – this time the (well, some chosen(?)) msm picked it up big time and pushed it big time, too.
So, one might come to the conclusion that the msm strongly prefer non-news while they tend to widely ignore real news and information.
Another point that stroke me the following:
Snowden, holding security clearance, and being a “high-tech whiz” (or so they say) did not chose to use either available (cryptome, wikileaks, etc) sites or make one of his own – which would be the most natural thing to do for IT people with a high network affinity – but rather chose to try for months and even taking detours (via Poitras) to have his stuff published by major (read main stream) media without any security clearance whatsoever.
This strikes me as very strange. Because it basically comes down to Snowden in each and every relevant criterion not doing what would be expected and “reasonable” (for this kind of person and situation) but rather doing what would be befitting a (old-style) government official.
Or, for the sake of clearness, in other words:
If some government entity types came up with a plan to fake a major “leak” they would do it pretty much the way Snowden did it.
At the same time, some 25-35 years IT “wizzard” would do it differently in pretty every regard.
Of course, gov. types faking a leak would make sure that “colourful” (~ looking interesting to John and Jane Doe) but basically worthless (and already well known) information would be “leaked”.
Well, call it a strange coincidence but this pretty much describes what Snowden did.
Funnily there is an aspect most people don’t see: One party very definitely loving to put some more control on secret services is – bingo – the zusa government (a fact that is known since hoover).

Posted by: Mr. Pragma | Jan 5 2014 19:39 utc | 107

    The more I think about it, I find something smelly about Snowden and his leaks.

Whatever about the value of his “leaks”, his story about 4 laptops is ridiculous.
Either he’s not very bright and habitually picks the stupidest most conspicious way to do things, such as physically transporting the info on those hard drives, or else he’s lying.
I’m gonna go with lying

Posted by: stfu | Jan 5 2014 20:57 utc | 108

This sudden rehabilitation of Snowden is starting to worry me. I will be gravely disappointed if he now takes the easy road, rests on his laurels of being the exposer of these crimes and makes some sort of a bargain – stop your work and come home a free man – without leading the fight to rip out these policies from the root.
Though we have little to go on because of his strange silence, we should start more closely looking at his words.
It isn’t enough for Snowden to say “the spying is.” He must say, “The spying is wrong.” It is not enough for the public to simply be informed of spying – though for the powerful who have the means to change their behaviors, this can mean big changes – but what of the rest of us? The rest of us need our government to work for us – not to make this spying something we are aware of and something we have to work around at great effort – but to make it a thing of the past.
If the leaks are indeed winding down, then it is time for more questions to start being asked. To ask “what real changes have been made?” It isn’t enough for Snowden to say “See, now everyone know’s were being spied on!” and then extrapolate from that that because our unresponsive, 1% pocketed legislatures have made no changes that “we’ve had a chance to have our say, we must all be okay with it!”. We know that we live in a world where there is a yawning democratic deficit and our governments are out of touch. That is the real battle – the spying is only one aspect of it.
I personally still see the net effect as positive. And what I’ve said above takes nothing away from them, I feel. They have been a boon to a states like China and Russia, long having to put up with the hypocritical accusations from the fascists in the US security state. The EU and Brazil have been given room to breathe and an excuse to chart a information infrastructure course of their own – will they take it? Despite the those who want to say “oh, he told us nothing new!” the fact is he has sparked the kind of crisis which the security state can no longer simply ignore. Now, how far will it go and will it mean meaningful changes? But the problem is, simple knowledge only works for those powerful enough to take advantage of it. The people need to see their legislatures respond to their wishes. But so far, we have not seen much other than an unenforceable recommendations.
It is certainly too soon to declare “Mission Accomplished”.

Posted by: guest77 | Jan 5 2014 22:38 utc | 109

“Only dinosaurs and halfwits, generally people that cannot think for themselves, would need a 3rd party like Snowden to tell em anything”
Thus is Snowden disposed of: the files he leaked, the stories about them, the political consequences of the matter are of no consequence because everyone knew about what was going on.
(It is a curious doctrine, incidentally, that “third Parties” -aka other sources of information- are unnecessary to those born, presumably, all wise. But let us not digress into clinical diagnosis.)
This, like neretva ’43’s weird contribution @102 reveal at best a political naivete which is almost breathtaking. At worst this nihilism comforts the ruling class which, predictably enough, is murmuring something very similar: “Nothing new here, move along. It’s all covered under the Patriot Act and FISA”
Let us spell it out: those who want to question Snowden’s motives or loyalties are at liberty to do so- they may add his name to a general indictment of other “celebrities” found doing what looks like the right thing (which is a complete No! NO! in the secure wards.)
But facts are stubborn things: the Snowden stories have proved of immense importance in proving what had long been suspected, that the NSA and its associated surveillance services, have not only been monitoring communications on a massive scale, building a Panopticon. But that their emphasis has been on monitoring and countering not terrorist plots but opposition to state policies.
And that there has been no effective control, by the judiciary or the legislature and very little by the executive of the installation of a thoroughgoing Police State.
The implications of the NSA revelations are enormous and to be subjected to the juvenile whining of the “everyone is corrupt so we’re all damned” merchants and the “I’m so fucking smart I knew everything, anyway” bullshitters is a very mild form of abuse. So carry on.
In the meantime, grown-ups, please do not be distracted: the construction of global corporatism/fascism is far more important than idle and salacious gossiping about celebrities.

Posted by: bevin | Jan 6 2014 1:54 utc | 110

But facts are stubborn things: the Snowden stories have proved of immense importance in proving what had long been suspected, that the NSA and its associated surveillance services, have not only been monitoring communications on a massive scale, building a Panopticon. But that their emphasis has been on monitoring and countering not terrorist plots but opposition to state policies.
And that there has been no effective control, by the judiciary or the legislature and very little by the executive of the installation of a thoroughgoing Police State.

I agree. The Snowden revelations have had a massive impact and were valuable alone for reaching John and Jane Doe.
My points weren’t about evaluating the person Snowden or second guessing his motives.
I was simply concentrating on some facts that just look strange.
Frankly what has nsa really lost – besides a lot of fanfare which may be well part of an operation?
nsa has definitely won a lot by having a panopticon with all he ugly consequences (for the people).
Another question that I still haven’t found a satisfying answer for is why Snowden gave up any and all control at an early point?
After all, while Greenwald might find himself in some limited trouble the one really risking his *ss was Snowden. Shouldn’t we assume that he then kept some control for himself rather than handing over his complete treasure? Shouldn’t we assume that he would first feed the a first portion and let them know that there was more if(!) they a) published and b) did it carefully? After all, his “partner” Greenwald had to be run after for months to move at all. And, sure enough, Snowden had to know about the frequent collusion between state and media. His way of handling that aspect, sorry, looks like lottery playing to me without him gaining gaining anything from it.
Yet another point where Snowden acted – to put it nicely – in a way that many would consider quite uncommon and taking unneccessary risks.

Posted by: Mr. Pragma | Jan 6 2014 2:43 utc | 111

The shorter 110:
Snowden is important because thickos and the braindead need someone to tell em whats what, and Eddies yer man for that sort of malarkey.

Posted by: stfu | Jan 6 2014 10:45 utc | 112

Re ‘4 laptops’
Only and idiot would lug around 4 laptops with him on international flights, when merely transporting the hard drives would suffice. There ain’t a sys admin in the world would unnessecarily lug around 4 laptops instead of 1 laptop and 3 hard drives
Of course if drama were your aim then 4 laptops is just the ticket.
That way your spooky friends, at the spooky Grauniad, can later earn “rebel” brownie-points with the gullible airhead-classes by posting video of the laptops being stupidly destroyed.

Posted by: stfu | Jan 6 2014 11:10 utc | 113

Well, stfu
if one wanted to pick on this, the correct answer would quite probably be: None. Neither notebooks (except maybe 1 without any sensitive data on it), nor hard drives.
Because in that kind of situation you’d want to get rid of physical stuff and simply push the data – properly encrypted – to some VPS, dropbox or the like. Preferably on multiple ones.
Once out of the terror regime zusa, maybe in HK, one would would buy hard drives and possibly create a local repository, too.

Posted by: Mr. Pragma | Jan 6 2014 12:03 utc | 114

Seems like we’re all agreed that what Snowden did and what Greenwald & Poitras are doing, with the help of Pierre Omidyar, probably has an agenda over and above just protecting the privacy of the apolitical individual. Incidentally, to judge by Wikipedia, Omidyar’s parents emigrated from Iran prior to the 1979 Revolution. His father was a surgeon in Iran, his mother was an academic of some sort, and they had a second home in Paris, which is where Pierre was born. The family moved to the US when Omidyar was a child, and he was born in 1967. So that means at least presumptively that his parents were pro-Shah.

Posted by: Rowan Berkeley | Jan 6 2014 12:29 utc | 115

I’m still occupied with the question, how an IT guy would really do in Snowdens situation, i.e. having a trove of secret info and wanting it to be seen by the world. As an optional level of difficulty I’m adding that there must be no treason, i.e. sharing of deservedly secret info, in particular operational details and names …
Would I try to get it to a journalist whom I trust?
No, or only later on. Without very deep insight, one can simply not know which media to trust and furthermore, one can hardly force publishing.
Would I hand over everything I have?
No, if only to keep some control and to not put all my eggs right away. Also possibly as life-insurance.
Would I persistently work on getting the attention of a certain journalist?
No. For a starter not knowing about encryption and not using it anyway would, in my minds eye, anyway come down to a journalist who is incapable and/or system-loyal.
So, how would I do it?
– After the collection phase I’d limit collection of new material to outstanding top-material only. Mostly I’d do a pre-selection of what I already have. Also, I’d de-poisonize the material (no names, nothing that would harm legitimate operations or aspects, etc.) so as to have a ready to hand out version of my material.
– I’d prepare an assortment of “amuse geule” information that shows *what* is done but no details, companies involved, etc. This would be for test shots along the line “An interested and knowledgable journalist will be capable to recognize the kind and quality of what I offer”.
Only after a rigid selection process would I hand out material with the created blanks filled in.
– Very importantly, I wouldn’t address the media or journalists anyway. Rather I’d publish some stuff on some web site myself. Experience shows that interesting stuff gets spread rather quickly and is quite soon picked up by the media, too.
This way I wouldn’t be completely dependent on some few journalists – like Snowden was and is.
– I WOULD build and employ an intelligent dead-man switch that could differentiate between me arrested, me murdered, me blackmailed and me being fine. This is not unfeasible and can be done with hardly more that some canary device, an RSS evaluator and some trustworthy persons (who need neither be involved nor even know about my project).
– I would tell my government “Your choice.This stuff can be published here in a civilized manner that is concerned about american operatives well being and not damaging my country. Or it can, if you suppress this site or blackmail or arrest myself or otherwise harm myself or the project, be automatically transferred to parties who are extremely interested in unredacted versions and definitely outside your control. Chose wisely.”
– I’d try hard to establish a process or even a dialog rather than just spilling the beans. After all, my primary interest wouldn’t be to make my government or country look bad or to create damage, but to create IMPROVEMENT.
So, my proceeding would be like “As little and as nice as possible. And as blunt and full disclosure as necessary”. Additionally, as cream on top, I’d offer my government to help them tighten IT op sec, IF they behaved reasonably.
And btw. I wouldn’t trust Greenwald an inch, not even half an inch. Even less would I trust nyt, wapo and not even the guardian (although their editor seems to be o.k.).
Not to saybad things against Snowden or Greenwald but, sorry, this whole thing has so many uncommon, counter-logic and system-friendly corners that I can’t help but to notice a strong smell …

Posted by: Mr. Pragma | Jan 6 2014 13:02 utc | 116

@114
I totally agree.
Theres no need to even have any laptops or hard drives in your possession at all. Given the numbers I ve heard, the data couldn’t have been more than a Gig or two, probably a lot less. Easily stored on something like an iPod if you didnt trust the cloud.
Looks good on video though, I spose someone must have thought, the laptops being destroyed. Theatre for the masses.

Posted by: stfu | Jan 6 2014 13:11 utc | 117

@116
Given the number of “documents” being bandied about (60,000 and above) no way could Eddie have gone through them 1 by 1 to do the sort of filtering you are positing.
Not possible.
But he says he did.
And so does everone else involved in these “leaks”, Grunwald etc.
Because, As everyone keeps repeating – Eddie is “responsible”, not like that awful Manning character.

Posted by: stfu | Jan 6 2014 13:21 utc | 118

Poitras, Appelbaum and Greenwald – all allegedly “dissident” brave “patriotic” young “americans”, “forced out of their homeland” by US govt intrusion into their lives.

Posted by: stfu | Jan 6 2014 13:25 utc | 119

“So that means at least presumptively that his parents were pro-Shah.”
Certainly so. I search by days about their religion, couldn’t find anything, it doesn’t sound like Farsi. And, the mother is, surprise, very well placed in high level circles.

Posted by: neretva’43 | Jan 6 2014 13:27 utc | 120

This,
http://www.bhphotovideo.com/bnh/controller/home?O=&sku=964349&Q=&is=REG&A=details
will suffice?

Posted by: neretva’43 | Jan 6 2014 13:32 utc | 121

stfu (118)

Given the number of “documents” being bandied about (60,000 and above) no way could Eddie have gone through them 1 by 1 to do the sort of filtering you are positing.
Not possible.
But he says he did.

Well. Kinda sorta y’know …
Actually at some points in time there were statements that the *journalists* sifted through and de-poisonized those 10.000s of files.

Posted by: Mr. Pragma | Jan 6 2014 13:33 utc | 122

http://www.walmart.com/ip/PNY-128GB-USB-3.0-Flash-Drive/29313914

Posted by: neretva’43 | Jan 6 2014 13:41 utc | 123

@121
You linked to something called a “Data Traveller”. The point of mentioning iPod was so that one could disguise the fact that one was travelling with data. Not much of a disguise but enough for a customs officer with no prior reason to suspect one of “travelling with data”

Posted by: stfu | Jan 6 2014 13:48 utc | 124

I understand. I read an article from prof. Hamid Dabashi of Columbia Univ., when his good friend Edward Said died, he went to Said’s native land to take some soil and put it on Said’s grave. Edward Said’s family was prominent Palestinians and there were expelled by British and the US. At airport the settler’s security deleted content of his iPod.
On the other hand flash-drive is more convenient for copying, replication, dissemination, you do not need stupid iTune, i.e. for physical handling overall.

Posted by: neretva’43 | Jan 6 2014 14:04 utc | 125

I understand. I read an article from prof. Hamid Dabashi of Columbia Univ., when his good friend Edward Said died, he went to Said’s native land to take some soil and put it on Said’s grave. Edward Said’s family was prominent Palestinians and there were expelled by British and the US. At airport the settler’s security deleted content of his iPod.
last I checked this Eddie (Snowden) didn’t pass through Ben Gurion airport. Just sayin
You don’t need “stupid iTune” to access an ipod so lack of ability to easily connect/physical handling = not an issue.
This is a silly thing to argue over anyway – point is: carrying 4 laptops around on international flights is beyond dumb, when there are so many other far less dumb solutions to the issue of moving the data around.
I don’t think Eddies quite that dumb, so . . .

Posted by: stfu | Jan 6 2014 14:23 utc | 126

“last I checked this Eddie (Snowden) didn’t pass through Ben Gurion airport.”
Have you ever heard of ICTS International? Yes? No?
There are “experts” in airport security, and in demand in the Western world. Somewhere there is their physical presence like Schipol airport in Amsterdam, somewhere they have its consultants and advisors. It is settler’s state company based in Holland!?!? Holland is otherwise a vassal state to the core.
And Hong Kong used to managed by the CIA and the SIS. Just sayin..you knew know
“I don’t think Eddies quite that dumb, so . . .”
I never met him…so matter of interpretations. The story that follow him – is not only dumb – it is worse than silly.

Posted by: neretva’43 | Jan 6 2014 14:54 utc | 127

    Have you ever heard of ICTS International? Yes? No?
    There are “experts” in airport security, and in demand in the Western world. Somewhere there is their physical presence like Schipol airport in Amsterdam, somewhere they have its consultants and advisors. It is settler’s state company based in Holland!?!? Holland is otherwise a vassal state to the core.
    And Hong Kong used to managed by the CIA and the SIS. Just sayin..you knew know

Was ICTS managing Hong Kong? Just askin! 🙂
You’re kind of implying that, but in what you seem to think is a deniable way, (I have not checked but I’m gonna guess the answer is “No, ICTS were not managing Hong Kong International.”)
And then you throw in SIS and CIA too, into the mix? Yipee! Sounds delicious! Can’t wait til it’s baked. we can all have a slice 😉

Posted by: stfu | Jan 6 2014 15:08 utc | 128

“Was ICTS managing Hong Kong? Just askin! :)”
Yessss!!
Do not know. It was managed by the CIA and the SIS. HK is still very much an Anglophile city/society.

Posted by: neretva’43 | Jan 6 2014 15:11 utc | 129

    Actually at some points in time there were statements that the *journalists* sifted through and de-poisonized those 10.000s of files.
    Posted by: Mr. Pragma | Jan 6, 2014 8:33:27 AM | 122

Oh there have been lots of statements concerning how many 1’s/10’s/100’s of thousands of documents there actually are.
And also many many statements regarding how closely scrutinised those 1’s/10’s/100’s of thousands of documents have been by Eddie and the 3 Musketeer dissident Patriots Poitras, Appelbaum and Greenwald.
Not all of them add up though.

Posted by: stfu | Jan 6 2014 15:14 utc | 130

Yessss!!
Do not know. It was managed by the CIA and the SIS. HK is still very much an Anglophile city/society.

“Yess!” and “do not know”
Now you’re just being silly

Posted by: stfu | Jan 6 2014 15:15 utc | 131

ICTS/CIA/SIS or whatever, the only dumber way Eddie cold have physically transported that data would be to have done it by carrying 4 Laptops and at the same time wearing a t-shirt that said “Big Time NSA-DATA Thief!”

Posted by: stfu | Jan 6 2014 15:34 utc | 132

@ 115
Whatever time a family chose to leave Iran, whether pre-1979 or post-1979, proves absolutely nothing.
Hats off to Rowan for his sardonic bit. Yes surely, the Omidyars are proven to have been pro-Shah, based on little Pierre’s date of birth, the professional and academic class of parents, and their decision to leave the country before the 79 revolution.
I just had a thought: maybe the 4 laptops were a decoy,–maybe they were bait. Maybe the whole point was for Greenwald’s partner to give up the devices, in London, where the Anglo-sphere spy masters could get an eyeful and get just a taste, an unnerving glimpse, of what is still being held back.
With former CIA Chief, Woolsey, going off and saying Snowden should be tried by a jury and hung for treason, it’s clear that leaders of the NSA have no sense of humor, and no appreciation that the agency can get played for a change, that they too can be made to sweat.

Posted by: Copeland | Jan 6 2014 16:56 utc | 133

@133: I only said “presumptively”. But you missed my point: it isn’t the fact that they expatriated as a family at some unknown date prior to 1979 that I base my presumption upon, it’s the fact that they were evidently a prosperous and successful upper-middle-class family prior to leaving.

Posted by: Rowan Berkeley | Jan 6 2014 17:13 utc | 134

Well I’m disappointed, Rowan. Being prosperous and upper-middle-class is nothing like proof, and doesn’t offer a reasonable presumption that Omidyar’s parents are, or were, pro-Shah. I thought you were better than that. Individuals from any walk of life can have a conscience. And it wouldn’t be the first time that intelligent people chose to immigrate, based on the chance to be more secure or make a better living.

Posted by: Copeland | Jan 6 2014 17:27 utc | 135

@Copeland;
I don’t intend to say what I am about to say as a criticism to Greenwald. Just to make that clear I would like to say that prior to working with Omidyar he was working for the Guardian which is hardly a radical media outlet. So I really don’t see a radical change in that, and besides I am not looking for “innocence” when I judge people. So whatever his “purposes” may have been (and I cannot read his mind) his actions in publishing documents from Snowden is commendable.
However, when it comes to judging Mr. Omidyar, I look at the fact that he is worth 8.5 billion dollars and that “[He] was only 31 when he became a billionaire with his online auction company’s IPO in 1998.”
Such wealth does not come from the “Sweat of the brow”. Let me correct that, it does come from the “sweat of the brow” but it comes from the sweat of the brow of others! Weather Omidyar’s family were pro-shah or against shah is so irrelevant that it is pretty much a nonsense to mention. The main point which should be remembered is that he and the likes of him are those responsible for the system (in fact they are the personification of the system) which produces the likes of “Shah”. His political views with regards to Shah is absolutely irrelevant.

Posted by: Pirouz_2 | Jan 6 2014 17:58 utc | 136

Omidyar is sounds like Nouriel Roubini, “famous” economic wizard.
A religious, proper one for that matter, pedigree is first and foremost criterion when the U.S. council of chieftains pick future “celebrity entrepreneurs”, those who are going to be in Family Jewels portfolio.
For mortal ones, oh, well…Social-Darwinism.

Posted by: neretva’43 | Jan 6 2014 18:30 utc | 137

I’m interested in figuring out what sort of mid-East politics Pierre Omidyar was brought up with, if any. To assume that the fact that Pierre Omidyar is an Iranian is unimportant, insignificant, irrelevant and of no interest is just learned stupidity. I’m pretty sure that if she didn’t like the Shah, Pierre’s mother wouldn’t have become a successful upper-middle-class academic. Let me just give you the quote:

Pierre Omidyar was born on Jun 21 1967 in Paris to Iranian immigrant parents who had been sent by his grandparents to attend university there. His mother Elahé Mir-Djalali Omidyar, who did her doctorate in linguistics at the Sorbonne, is a well-known academic. His father was an Iranian surgeon. The family moved to the US when Omidyar was a child.

I can remember very clearly that in the 1960s and 1970s, western liberals were pro-Shah. The only people who weren’t were leftists, and I suppose traditional religionists. But I suppose the fact that I remember what the general liberal attitude to the Shah (and for that matter to Apartheid South Africa) was in the 1960s and 1970s, doesn’t count for much against Copeland’s political correctness. The info, by the way, is apparently from Jennifer Viegas (2006) Pierre Omidyar: The Founder of eBay, Rosen Publishing Group, ISBN 978-1-4042-0715-8, a slim volume of 126 pp that amazon.com tells us suitable for ages 12 and over.
Now, further on his mother. It rather seems to me that she fancies herself as something like the late Shah’s exceedingly culture conscious wife. This is part of the description of their Roshan Institute, which by the way funds over a dozen chairs in Persian Studies at US universities:

Roshan literally means “enlightened, bright and clear” in Persian. As such, it is closely associated with light and connected to concepts such as clarity, understanding, and authenticity. This word embodies the guiding principle behind Roshan Cultural Heritage Institute’s mission of bringing to light the importance of Persian culture and achieving clear understanding through community involvement and education. The Institute’s logo reflects a blooming sun inspired by the lotus flower motif used at Persepolis (capital of Achaemenid Empire, 550-330 B.C.) as well as Shamseh used in Persian-Islamic architecture.

That is exactly the sort of gently un-Islamic ‘spirituality’ that Empress Farah used to sponsor, subsidise, and indeed maintain a sort of international salon for.

Posted by: Rowan Berkeley | Jan 6 2014 19:34 utc | 138

@Pirouz_2, @ 136
I have respect for your comment and understand what you are saying.
Sibel Edmonds has relatively prosperous parents; and her father who I believe was a physician in Iran, was tortured by the Shah’s men. She is an honorable person in my opinion; and I have been struggling to understand her criticisms of Greenwald and Snowden, as well. Her suspicions are centered, for the most part on Omidyar, and I understand some of these concerns.
Sure, there is more going on here than meets the eye; and yet this is sometimes reduced to a farce by people who would have us believe that neither Snowden nor Greenwald, nor even Assange, ever had any real leverage against the powers, NSA’s and others, whose whole psycholgical purpose through the game was just to make us so scared and impressed by the Panopticon, the drones inside drones like nested dolls, that we are ready to pee our pants and submit, at the mere thought of it all.
Even Assange who has spent the last three years in the cramped quarters of Ecuador’s embassy in London, is grist for some pretty absurd narratives. No one comes up in this life innocent, without having made some mistakes. But what howler has come forward with a persuasive reason why Assange has not criticized the motivations or character, much less the deeds, of either Snowden or Greenwald. The political impact of the disclosures has mattered a great deal; and it’s managed to weaken the empire diplomatically, awakening millions of people who were previously uninformed and ignorant of real menace to themselves and their society.
Hard as it is to believe, there are even some around us who seem enraged, who are completely livid that Greenwald and Snowden don’t just rise up on their hind legs and bring the whole ediface of tyranny toppling down to its foundations. Personalities like that are hopeless cartoons inhabiting a cartoon universe of their own creation.
Until hard evidence is presented to change my view of Greenwald, I will worry more that he might suffer the fate of Icarus, from flying to close to the fire, the heat. If he’s made a mistake through association with Omidyar, I expect him to recognize the error quickly, and to recover with the agility he has so far been shown to possess.

Posted by: Copeland | Jan 6 2014 20:05 utc | 139

Great “search” Rowan. What ingenuity!
“To assume that the fact that Pierre Omidyar is an Iranian is unimportant, insignificant, irrelevant and of no interest is just learned stupidity.”
No, he is not Iranian. Yes, it is important, it is very important. Stop with your liberal crap and garbage. “Stupidity”? Do not be too cruel to yourself, and it is not “learned”, you know…
“I’m pretty sure that if she didn’t like the Shah, Pierre’s mother wouldn’t have become a successful upper-middle-class academic.”
You are sure!?!?!? Is it lecture No.1?
I do not doubt either whoever works for Family Jewel and is “god chosen one” is successful.
Whatever nick you use always remember Orwell’s advice when writing.
(i) Never use a metaphor, simile, or other figure of speech which you are used to seeing in print.
(ii) Never use a long word where a short one will do.
(iii) If it is possible to cut a word out, always cut it out.
(iv) Never use the passive where you can use the active.
(v) Never use a foreign phrase, a scientific word, or a jargon word if you can think of an everyday English equivalent.
(vi) Break any of these rules sooner than say anything outright barbarous.
You are saying nothing, stop Recycling. Where is your Anglo-saxon’s superiority?

Posted by: neretva’43 | Jan 6 2014 22:17 utc | 140

Why, neretva,
repeated ad hominems rather than arguments? I’m quite confident that most here strongly prefer discussing issues rather than other users.

Posted by: Mr. Pragma | Jan 7 2014 0:47 utc | 141

You do love that ad Hominem, don’t you?
Try, firstly, with Reciprocity; and secondly, the truth CANNOT be ad Hominem.

Posted by: neretva’43 | Jan 7 2014 1:46 utc | 142

I don’t get any actual message from #141 except resentment, or jealousy of something or other he detects in me. And I don’t care at all. He hasn’t made any substantive point. Of course I am not claiming to be certain about anything. I am just trying to build a picture, and this is how you do it. There is no other way, until you get hard data. Sibel did not come from anything like such a wealthy background, you can take that to the bank from me.

Posted by: Rowan Berkeley | Jan 7 2014 3:32 utc | 143

Correction, in #143 I am commenting on #140 by neretva, not on #141 by Mr P. Counting backward off the screen can be deceptive.

Posted by: Rowan Berkeley | Jan 7 2014 3:34 utc | 144

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    Now, at face value, Appelbaum’s interest in Edward is very understandable. Appelbaum is famous for supporting internet freedom.
    Things get less comfortable when you dig deeper though: Appelbaum’s Tor project is part of the US Naval Research Laboratory and is funded by outfits like the NRL, Google, the Broadcasting Board of Governors, the (US) National Science Foundation, Human Rights Watch, Shinjiru International (Microsoft endorsed), The Knight Foundation, Radio Free Asia and the National Christian Foundation (!?). . . .
    Appelbaum spends his time educating US law enforcement (like the FBI– team sport!) on how to monitor websites without revealing that the government is watching, as well as helping dissidents– particularly dissidents in countries hostile to the US– send information securely.

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Posted by: stfu | Jan 7 2014 15:38 utc | 145

No doubt this is much bigger than Snowden.
For all the questions about Snowden’s seemingly amazing luck, it is probably instructive to look at the Daniel Ellsberg case. Ellsberg actually worked with Senate staff to expose the leaks, and went on to work closely for the Robert Kennedy campaign. When the power elite is at each others throat – all kinds of wacky things seem to happen…. so my guess is that he is working closely with some people who are not exactly powerless – which, assuming their good intent, takes nothing away from the leaks, in my opinion.
Now, there is some potential shadiness going on too, but it is hard to see how serious it is. But much of it I think has to do with the eclipsing of Assange and Manning and that style of very open, uncontrolled leaking, with the Greenwald/Snowden style – which seems extremely controlled. My speculation (and by no means fact): Assange was probably not given the leaks due to his being viewed by the powerful elements behind this (Americans, no doubt) as “irresponsible” (so irresponsible, in fact, that he is kept more or less a prisoner) whereas Greenwald is, apparently, so “responsible” enough to be given control over a new $250 million media venture. And I don’t mean to try and draw distinctions between those two that are very very fine – both are extremely valuable, they’ve just chosen different routes and have different backgrounds and are allied with different forces. (But just in my opinion, Assange is far more of the revolutionary thinker and the genius – a true heavyweight whereas Greenwald I think, though a fierce fighter, is less so).
Much remains to be seen here. But bevin and Mr. Pragma are correct – the effects of the leaks, no matter what the true story behind it all is, have had powerful effects that cannot be denied.
Like the Pentagon Papers, they are extremely damaging to a sector of the US power elite that likely has big enemies in high places – but ones that, for obvious reasons – must be extremely careful. The fact is that the leakers are playing, like Ellsberg did before them, an extremely high stakes game at the moment – and will be until they’ve won the battle for public opinion and a certain amount of elite blessing (which an article like the one in the NYTimes counts for a huge amount). After all, the lives of Assange, Snowden, and Manning are lives of true dissidents. We have only to imagine what the US media darlings they’d be if this was 1983 and they were Soviet dissidents locked away in embassies surrounded 24 hours by KGB men, or tortured for years in solitary confinement, or being harbored as defectors in New York City!
So, my guess is that when all is said and done, we’ll find out that the idea that there was little Snowden all by his lonesome, grabbing secret documents and, like a modern day Paul Revere, warning the country will turn out to be much myth. But again, it will matter little in the end, considering the effects of the leaks.
But —
What else do they know? What else have these powerful folks exposed, and is the current heat on the Saudis related at all to it? Is there, perhaps, 9/11 information? Information about the Iraq War? After all, Snowden should have been able grab all manner of actual conversation rather than all this high level shit…
That is pure speculation, but definite fun to think about…
….
And related or not – I can’t help thinking of the death of Michael Hastings in all of this.

Posted by: guest77 | Jan 8 2014 1:57 utc | 146

Looks like it is time to map those IP addresses to the user names again.

Really, no one is surprised by what you’ve posted about Applebaum. The history of the Tor project is clear. I doubt anyone thought he was a bomb throwing radical ready to take up the armed struggle. The fact is that there are many well-respected US activists who have similar backgrounds. They, at least, are honest about who they are.
It seems that many of these cryptography activists were originally used (idealistic and foolish and many of a class well-educated and privileged enough to be involved in high technology) by the US government during the early spread of the internet. What counts isn’t stfoffu’s laundry list of funders for a project Applebaum works on but the fact that he is a great supporter of Wikileaks and Snowden who – despite your desperate right wing bleating – have done huge damage to the United States empire. People are, of course, free to weight what they think is more important.
Anyway, I don’t know who might be astounded by your exposé, but to anyone with the slightest clue, well it’s obvious sleight-of-hand.
My point isn’t really to defend all of these people to the death, either. They have their faults, no doubt. I am certain I wouldn’t agree with them on a huge range of topics. But they are doing incredibly important work on the issue of internet spying. And these attempts to cast doubt on their efforts – be they Snowden, Assange, Manning, Applebaum or whoever – because of some connections in the past (which they are very open about and do not attempt to cover up) and despite their very good work in this area smacks of pathetic internet trolls trying to copy pathetic CIA counter-intelligence tactics.

Posted by: guest77 | Jan 8 2014 2:39 utc | 147