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November 29, 2013
Open Thread 2013-26
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look like China is going to flex his muscles over those little Islands … Posted by: Twilight | Nov 29 2013 19:07 utc | 1 Quiz question for you in the category of History. What do the following have in common: arsenal, average, azimuth, borax, candy, carat, cotton, crimson, decipher, garble, gauze, giraffe, jar (a container), lacquer, lemon, lute (a stringed musical instrument), magazine, mattress, orange, safflower, saffron, spinach, sugar, syrup, talc, tariff, tarragon, zenith, zero. For a while I love to read Amin Maalouf http://www.aminmaalouf.net/en/ the Lebanese writer, his passion are the word and origin of them, alcohol is here http://www.aminmaalouf.net/en/2009/08/my-web-of-words-1-alcohol/ Posted by: neretva’43 | Nov 29 2013 21:14 utc | 4 HONDURAS (Spanish) Four years after suffering a coup, Manuel Zelaya returns to the political arena as deputy and leftist leader despite the triumph of the right in elections in Honduras… Posted by: Maracatu | Nov 29 2013 21:18 utc | 5 Also, Proving Electoral Fraud Takes Time in Honduras. Posted by: Maracatu | Nov 29 2013 21:46 utc | 6 http://www.moonofalabama.org/2013/11/propaganda-mistranslates-khameneis-rabit-dog-phrase-.html#c6a00d8341c640e53ef019b01ad8545970b Posted by: neretva’43 | Nov 29 2013 22:18 utc | 7 China Announces That It Is Going To Stop Stockpiling U.S. Dollars Posted by: Michal | Nov 29 2013 23:56 utc | 8 Today in US history… Posted by: Maracatu | Nov 30 2013 0:05 utc | 9 @ bevin + neretva’43: I didn’t want to make it easy for you, so I deliberately didn’t menion alchemy, alcohol, alcove, alfalfa, algebra, algorithm, alkali, and aubergine, all of which have their earliest occurrences in a Western language in the 12th or 13th century. Just a visual reminder of who’s doing what to whom in the “Holy Land”. Posted by: ben | Nov 30 2013 1:25 utc | 11 do syrians support the ‘syrian revolutionaries’? not if Deir Attiyah is anything to go by: Posted by: brian | Nov 30 2013 1:34 utc | 12
Posted by: donkeytale | Nov 30 2013 1:47 utc | 13 2001 Posted by: denk | Nov 30 2013 2:39 utc | 14 parviziyi Posted by: bevin | Nov 30 2013 2:57 utc | 15 muricuns oh muricuns…. Posted by: denk | Nov 30 2013 3:19 utc | 16 hmm, Posted by: denk | Nov 30 2013 3:37 utc | 17 @14 Posted by: Jeremiah | Nov 30 2013 4:12 utc | 18 must read: salafism in syria: Posted by: brian | Nov 30 2013 4:40 utc | 19 use em and kill em…what to do with jihadis whos use has expired…turkey shows us Posted by: brian | Nov 30 2013 6:24 utc | 20 donkeytale@12 Posted by: john francis lee | Nov 30 2013 7:28 utc | 21 john francis lee @ 19: ” All men are brothers and sisters. We’re going to have to realize that if we are going to engage and conquer our unique yet now common human social pathology : the corporation. Surely the most brutal and dangerous emperor of them all.” Posted by: ben | Nov 30 2013 14:08 utc | 22 I’m not sure about all this theorising re Omidyar. I suspect that the journalists with whom he is dealing are both fairly tough negotiators. Posted by: bevin | Nov 30 2013 14:57 utc | 23 I want to return to a comment that bevin made a few threads back, about Iran’s nuclear program, in which he said something like: Iran has the right to enrich, but pursuing nuclear power is not a wise choice. I made a little stronger statement on another site, to wit: ‘…that Iran’s pursuit of nuclear power generation is one of the stupidest acts of hubris in modern times – nuclear power generation has a negative Return On Investment everywhere it’s been tried, including France which is closest to breakeven, but still has to be subsidized with taxes. The reason no US power company has built a nuclear power plant in over 30 years is because of the extreme negative ROI…’ Posted by: okie farmer | Nov 30 2013 17:10 utc | 24 Why does the Iran deal include prohibitions on trading oil for anything but dollars? What has that got to do with nuclear fuel enrichment? Erin Ade discusses this at the 10:00 mark: Mr. Lee, tanks for posting the correct link.
But wait. Wy should I apologize for adding a bit of aluminum to a website that routinely revels in it? Posted by: donkeytale | Nov 30 2013 18:41 utc | 26 @19 John Francis. Thanks also for this. I am fascinated by these things. I knew both of crypto-Morenos and crypto-Jews in the new world by reputation. The intimacy of your story, with the evidence of the artifacts is a delight. Is that Gospel of Timothy? Can’t find it… 🙂 Secret Gospel of Thomas, I know. Posted by: Jeremiah | Nov 30 2013 18:50 utc | 27 @24 “They should trade the whole thing for normalized relations with the west”. Posted by: harrylaw | Nov 30 2013 20:12 utc | 29 This sounds interesting: Posted by: bevin | Nov 30 2013 20:35 utc | 30 donkeytale I’d be very surprised if the NSA is still hoping to put a lid on the “revelations.” Posted by: bevin | Nov 30 2013 20:46 utc | 31 okie farmer. Posted by: bevin | Nov 30 2013 20:53 utc | 32 bevin@23 Posted by: john francis lee | Nov 30 2013 21:18 utc | 33 bevin@32 Posted by: john francis lee | Nov 30 2013 21:49 utc | 34 #32….. Posted by: PissedOffAmerican | Nov 30 2013 22:01 utc | 35 Bevin, I see my bestest fastball didn’t even faze your altruism, much less brush it back. Posted by: donkeytale | Nov 30 2013 22:59 utc | 36 George Galloway interviews Mother Agnes Mariam on RT – Posted by: brian | Nov 30 2013 23:05 utc | 37 @30 “Assad explained that Saudi Arabia “is leading the most extensive operation of direct sabotage against all the Arab world,” Too true, one day I hope to see those fat, whorehouse inhabiting, terrorist loving drunken perverts dangling by their balls from lamp posts, the sooner the better. Posted by: harrylaw | Nov 30 2013 23:21 utc | 38 attacking Mother Agnes Mariam : why was she kicked off the StW platform? Posted by: brian | Nov 30 2013 23:37 utc | 39 harrylaw@29, Posted by: okie farmer | Dec 1 2013 3:19 utc | 40 Sibel Edmonds has a video conversation with Peter B. Collins and James Corbett that’s worth watching. She has a skeptical view of Obama’s motives in the current peace overture to Iran. She doesn’t believe it reflects any fundamental change in the basic intrigue of the US side; and that the fall back policy in the long view is to engineer a failure. aint muricuns charming ? Posted by: denk | Dec 1 2013 5:11 utc | 42 @okie farmer | 40 Posted by: Harry | Dec 1 2013 6:59 utc | 43 elliot higgins Aka brown moses supposes…attacks Mother Agnes: Posted by: brian | Dec 1 2013 7:21 utc | 44 Key evidence about the range of the rockets allegedly used by the Syrian regime in the chemical attacks on 21st August in West Ghouta, which was first published by Human Rights Investigations (HRI) yesterday, proves that widespread statements made by Human Rights Watch (HRW), government officials and the mass media about the attacks are erroneous. Posted by: brian | Dec 1 2013 7:31 utc | 45 Tore @potifar66 10h Posted by: brian | Dec 1 2013 7:38 utc | 46 denk @ 42. Posted by: Hoarsewhisperer | Dec 1 2013 7:43 utc | 47 useful tweeter: Posted by: brian | Dec 1 2013 7:54 utc | 48 BREAKING: guess who is now on twitter : Mother Agnes Mariam Posted by: brian | Dec 1 2013 7:58 utc | 49 @brian | 44 Posted by: Harry | Dec 1 2013 8:03 utc | 50 what does AMNESTY think of Mother Agnes Posted by: brian | Dec 1 2013 10:34 utc | 51 Hackers should broadcast that on satellite networks all over the world. Posted by: Mina | Dec 1 2013 10:46 utc | 52 Dr Helen Caldicott Posted by: brian | Dec 1 2013 10:49 utc | 53 The inimitable George Galloway: “She’s Mother Agnes Mariam of the Cross, of the diocese of Hobs Hamar and Yabud in the Syrian Arab Republic, here on what has suddenly become a controversial tour of Britian. You’d think that British antiwar movement would be interested in hearing what a representative of Syria’s Christian communities has to say about the US-backed so-called rebels, and their BEHEADING WAYS. But alas, her scheduled appearance in today’s Stop the War Coalition International Peace Conference was scuttled by LIBERALS, who don’t much care to hear from a woman with an actual first-hand account. No, apparently they prefer to hear only from other armchair activists, who have gained their opinion from the evening news.” Posted by: brian | Dec 1 2013 10:52 utc | 54 Posted by: hans | Dec 1 2013 11:31 utc | 55 strangeness in Kiev Leonid Ragozin @leonidragozin Posted by: brian | Dec 1 2013 12:40 utc | 56 “…what sort of ‘revolutionary’ seeks to join the EU????? is it Poland Solidarity all over again?” Posted by: bevin | Dec 1 2013 13:13 utc | 57 Hoarsewhisperer 47 Posted by: denk | Dec 1 2013 14:05 utc | 58 On Ukraine – Basically this is a geo-political tug of war between Russia and the EU. For anyone who has not being paying attention (and I doubt Ukraine gets much coverage in US media). The last few months the EU has been negotiating to bring Ukraine into the EU orbit (which would bring the EU even more to the border of Russia) via an Association Agreement.
This isn’t a case of Russia bullying Ukraine, as the media are painting it. It’s just that the EU was outbid when Russia offered likely greater Gas subsidies. Indeed Yanukovich called the EU terms “stingy”. Now it appears protests are breaking out again with the color revolution crowd to get the EU deal passed and the Russian deal axed. Posted by: Colm O’ Toole | Dec 1 2013 14:51 utc | 59 “This isn’t a case of Russia bullying Ukraine, as the media are painting it.” Posted by: neretva’43 | Dec 1 2013 15:51 utc | 60 @ neretva’43 Posted by: Colm O’ Toole | Dec 1 2013 16:20 utc | 61 I can’t help thinking that the name Brown Moses is some kind of joke. It invites speculation (from me) on whom it is, precisely, that Brown Moses has been brown nosing? In Oz (and I suspect elsewhere) brown nosing means jettisoning one’s self-esteem to beg for favours from people with more influence than oneself / eagerness to become a lackey. Posted by: Hoarsewhisperer | Dec 1 2013 16:59 utc | 62 bevin, Posted by: okie farmer | Dec 1 2013 17:18 utc | 63 The UK MSM tone has changed drastically since the US finally pushes for Geneva 2 and a deal with Iran Posted by: Mina | Dec 1 2013 18:56 utc | 64 Posted by: okie farmer | Dec 1, 2013 12:18:20 PM | 63 Posted by: brian | Dec 1 2013 20:39 utc | 65 Posted by: Hoarsewhisperer | Dec 1, 2013 11:59:52 AM | 62 Posted by: brian | Dec 1 2013 20:42 utc | 66 “This isn’t a case of Russia bullying Ukraine, as the media are painting it.” Posted by: brian | Dec 1 2013 20:44 utc | 67 Posted by: Colm O’ Toole | Dec 1, 2013 9:51:24 AM | 59 Posted by: brian | Dec 1 2013 20:45 utc | 68 This is the latest on the power that is too cheap to meter, from The Guardian: Posted by: bevin | Dec 1 2013 23:07 utc | 69 Hanford, Fukushima, Sellafield……… Posted by: PissedOffAmerican | Dec 2 2013 0:00 utc | 70 POA@70 Posted by: okie farmer | Dec 2 2013 3:23 utc | 72 this is comical: does noone in office know the saying: no honor among thieves!? the germans trusted US regime., and are shocked to learn they are common thieves Posted by: brian | Dec 2 2013 12:11 utc | 73 Ever wonder why this country political system is in such a malaise ? Posted by: curious | Dec 2 2013 15:47 utc | 74 New developments on the Ghouta fabricated evidence (no wonder Pilay has to come out with new accusations against Assad) Posted by: Mina | Dec 2 2013 19:09 utc | 75
Amen is what i say, read rest of this fine article here Posted by: hans | Dec 2 2013 20:25 utc | 76 I don’t know if others had the chance to view a video featuring the
Somehow, as Good Soldier Schweik would put it, there must be a deeper meaning in all this, and, of course, to avoid a spam-like effect I have edited (with non alphanumeric symbols) the names of the firms involved. Posted by: Hannah K. O’Luthon | Dec 2 2013 21:37 utc | 77 Here’s a (valid) link for those wanting Posted by: Hannah K. O’Luthon | Dec 2 2013 21:47 utc | 78 “The 2014 calendar for the House, released in October by House Majority Leader Eric Cantor (R-Va.), shows members will only work only 113 days” Posted by: PissedOffAmerican | Dec 3 2013 0:42 utc | 79 A few links from today’s Information Clearing House Posted by: bevin | Dec 3 2013 1:40 utc | 80 Thanks for the link to http://upsidedownworld.org. Posted by: john francis lee | Dec 3 2013 6:51 utc | 81 Thanks to Bevin and others for useful links. Posted by: Hannah K. O’Luthon | Dec 3 2013 9:01 utc | 82 That Mexico can be home to the world’s richest man but only have the funds to investigate 5% of the countries homicides is certainly one of the crowning “achievements” of neoliberalism. Posted by: guest77 | Dec 4 2013 0:23 utc | 83 bill mitchell: Posted by: c | Dec 4 2013 22:09 utc | 84 About the so-called Lambeth slaves and the Maoist cult, it is now clear that 1) they were not slaves; 2) the story has been instrumentalized by the UK authorities to deviate it towards “forced weddings” and what comes with it (…); 3) the delay between the escape of the women and the arrest of the cult leaders (one month) was probably meant to have the story all over the papers at the time the trial of the UK officer killed by two mad guys in a London street would start. Posted by: Mina | Dec 5 2013 14:19 utc | 85 Another take on Russell Brand: http://shout.lbo-talk.org/lbo/RadioArchive/2013/13_12_05.mp3 Posted by: guest77 | Dec 6 2013 5:53 utc | 86 The comment section here is alas quite instructing Posted by: Mina | Dec 6 2013 8:13 utc | 87 I love this comment, Mina, it’s a real formulaic mini rant:
Posted by: Rowan Berkeley | Dec 6 2013 17:13 utc | 88 Secularism is still a long way to go… Posted by: Mina | Dec 6 2013 19:49 utc | 89 Employees of the US military contracting group Academi (formerly Xe, Blackwater USA and Blackwater Worldwide) are seen in new leaked video shooting their machine guns at random while driving through the streets of Baghdad, crashing into other cars and even running over a pedestrian without hesitation. Academi received a $250 million contract by the Obama administration to provide military services in Afghanistan. If a government wanted to hire these guns, would it want to get blanket immunity for them from the host nation and would the host nation be sane enough to grant it? http://www.minds.com/blog/view/49692/video-shows-us-contractors-killing-civilians Posted by: brian | Dec 6 2013 23:50 utc | 90 The US has well and truly snookered itself in Afghanistan with its moronic Base & Bunker mentality and is stuck. It only wants a SOFA to draw a veil of legality over the process of shooting its way out which, until they issue a grovelling apology for the murder and mayhem they unleashed, is their only option. Unluckily for them Karzai, isn’t buying the bullshit and has given the Resistance several more months to re-organise, improve and fine-tune its ambush techniques. Posted by: Hoarsewhisperer | Dec 7 2013 1:29 utc | 91 Mina: Omidyar defense here in HuffPost, Dec 3, but I don’t think much of his argument. It revolves around concepts of democracy and free media which are completely ideological, ie the democracy and media freedom he takes as a ground from which to criticise Anonymous is ideological, it does not exist and never has done, it is just a rhetoric to be used by the powerful to obscure their own power. I do not support Anonymous, because it does not have a coherent political program, it just sprawls around hardly doing more than provoke futile DDoS attacks which achieve nothing. Like Occupy, it is a ‘protest’ mentality, and there is no sense in ‘protesting’ unless you still believe that the power structure is open to dissuasion from its goals. But Omidyar’s critique of it is not made from my perspective, obviously. You mention ‘mywantiwar.org’, by which I assume you mean Myantiwar.org, which is just an aggregator for antiwar.com. The only interview with Omidyar I could find on it is a NYT one, from Oct 20. It isn’t really of much interest. Posted by: Rowan Berkeley | Dec 7 2013 8:42 utc | 92 Sarah Harrison of Wikileaks definitely not impressed by Omidyar’s rationalisations: Graun. Posted by: Rowan Berkeley | Dec 7 2013 9:55 utc | 93 70% of Japan polluted with radiation- Posted by: brian | Dec 7 2013 10:29 utc | 94 Wow….check out these photographs of a volcanic island rising out of the sea….. Posted by: PissedOffAmerican | Dec 9 2013 0:13 utc | 95 I stumbled on this interview. It is a very different narrative about Iraq, and I find it very interesting. Posted by: Pirouz_2 | Dec 11 2013 22:01 utc | 96 96) I think it is worth looking at how the Ottomans ran their empire into the Early 20th century – and what British and French colonialists continued – and the US inherited
Posted by: somebody | Dec 12 2013 9:56 utc | 98 “December 12, 2013 — (TRN http://www.TurnerRadioNetwork.com ) — Crew members in their mid-20′s from the aircraft carrier USS Ronald Reagan are coming down with all sorts of radiation-related illnesses after being deployed less than 3 years ago to assist with earthquake rescue operations off the coast of Japan in 2011. It looks as though the onboard desalinization systems that take salt out of seawater to make it drinkable, were taking-in radioactive water from the ocean for the crew to drink, cook with and bath-in, before anyone realized there was a massive radiation spill into the ocean” Posted by: PissedOffAmerican | Dec 15 2013 22:49 utc | 99 Apologies if this NSA-Santa Claus link has been posted elsewhere here at MOA, or seems inappropriate. One might note that it’s been clicked on more than 750,000 times already. Posted by: Hannah K. O’Luthon | Dec 16 2013 10:05 utc | 100 |
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