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Turkey is expelling Saudi intelligence. This is another sign of rapprochment between Turkey and the “resistance axis”, following FM Davoutoglu’s visit to Tehran and his meeting with the Iraqi FM.
http://english.al-akhbar.com/content/turkey-expels-saudi-intelligence-over-diplomatic-rift-source
Posted by: LLza | Nov 1 2013 15:15 utc | 1
If Turkey is expelling Saudi intelligence, can its shutting down the harbor given to Syrian rebels on Turkish territory be far away?
Posted by: lysias | Nov 1 2013 15:32 utc | 2
http://www.globalresearch.ca/washington-is-playing-a-deeper-game-with-china
http://www.rense.com/general88/geo.htm
these r hardly bombshell stuff, dunno why atimes delete it !
Posted by: denk | Nov 1 2013 16:26 utc | 3
Towards the end of Abby Martin’s latest interview with Oliver Stone and Peter Kuznick, she says it’s hard to believe in the official story of 9/11 that there was just mass ineptitude by the U.S. government. Implying that the U.S. government was complicit. Oliver Stone’s reply is a study in discomfort. Then both he and Kuznick get back to the business of pushing the ‘mass ineptitude’ story again…
http://www.youtube.com/user/breakingtheset?feature=watch
Posted by: Relament | Nov 1 2013 17:16 utc | 4
[3]
*Two different versions of the same events: The Chinese government and pictures of the riots indicate it was Uyghur riot and attacks on Han Chinese residents that resulted in deaths and destruction. French official reports put the blame on Chinese police “shooting indiscriminately*
speaking from 3 decades of observations, i take the chinese version any time.
i forget, france is another fukus bitch.
now we’ve the evil quartet fukusj = fuck fr, uk, us, jp
Posted by: denk | Nov 1 2013 17:50 utc | 5
Next to the NSA, a former Cameron’s aide was also a specialist in hacking private phonecalls
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-24762474
Posted by: Mina | Nov 1 2013 17:58 utc | 6
Best context for Uyghurs etc now is consistently “The New Great Game” blog, updated each sunday:
http://christophgermann.blogspot.co.uk/
Posted by: Rowan Berkeley | Nov 1 2013 18:14 utc | 7
I found interesting the latest polling (NBC/WSJ) on the political leadership in Washington D.C. It’s off the charts. Obama is registering the lowest approval ratings of his presidency. Republicans are the first party in the poll’s history to go north of a 50% negative ratings. Democrtas who were licking their chops for the midterm elections becuase of the Tea Party government shutdown and flirtation with default are now running for cover because the Obamacare abomination.
Posted by: Mike Maloney | Nov 1 2013 18:21 utc | 8
@ LLza
Thanks for the link. This has been a trend bubbling under the surface in the last few weeks. Ultimately no side wants to end up on the losing side. So you suddenly have a rash of defections from the Saudi side to the Resistance Axis. After all fighting for a losing side shows loyalty, but being on the Winning side is much more profitable. With the US refusal to attack Syria, the outcome is now clearer.
So what defections have happened in the last few weeks.
– Hamas: Hamas had always been on the side of the Resistance Axis, funded and trained by Iran/Hezbollah and with Hamas head, Khalid Meshaal, living most of the last decade in Damascus under Assad’s protection. But with the rise of its sister organisation the Muslim Brotherhood in Egpyt and the war to oust Assad causing Sunni-Shia tension, Hamas switched sides and moved under Qatari-Muslim Brotherhood sponsorship instead. Meshaal left Damascus and flew to Qatar.
The worst news came when Hezbollah fighters in Syria, found themselves being attacked in the town of Al Qusair by Hamas fighters using the same tactics and weapons Hezbollah had given them. But now with the Coup in Egypt, the Muslim Brotherhood is again suffering a crackdown. Also with the removal of the Qatari emir they have lost most sponsorship they had and its tunnels into Gaza, a vital source of revenue, are being dismantled by Egypt’s military.
Hamas is now without allies/sponsorship and is again finding itself needing the Resistance Axis. Meshaal is scheduled to fly to Tehran in the coming weeks. He also said that him waving a FSA flag at a rally was a “mistake” and talks are beginning between Hezbollah and Hamas again.
– Qatar is meanwhile finding itself in a bind. It needs a Gas pipeline route running through Syria to the Med to pipe its South Pars Gas Field (largest Gas field in the world) to Europe. Worse is that Iran owns around 33% of the field. So Qatar needs both Iranian goodwill and a pipeline through Syria. Both elements looking pretty bad at present. This week brought news that Qatar is willing to reopen ties with Hezbollah. The new Emir in Qatar also invited Rouhani to visit Qatar and is talking of improving ties with Iran.
– Turkey: As LLza linked too Turkey is expelling Saudi intelligence agents from the country which hopefully will impact the organisation of the Syrian rebels. Turkey also last month closed its border crossing in Azaz which is vital to resupplying the rebels, since most of the other checkpoints with Turkey are held by Kurds. Azaz was the last proper checkpoint still safely in rebel hands its closure means supplies will be tight going into the Winter.
All in all these developments are signs that Turkey, Qatar and Hamas are all moving away from Saudi Arabia and closer to Iran. Broadly speaking the US has shown that it is willing to betray allies, while Iran has shown that it will stay loyal to allies, even in the face war.
Posted by: Colm O’ Toole | Nov 1 2013 18:33 utc | 9
Good analysis of the recent Israeli attack on Syria:
http://radioyaran.com/2013/11/01/israels-bombing-of-latakia-is-for-torpedoing-rouhani/
Posted by: KerKaraje | Nov 1 2013 19:50 utc | 10
KerKaraje @ 10 — Thnx for the link
When oh when will the world demand that Israel face, oh, UN sanctions for its wanton disregard of the rules of war and international relations? How often do they get to just bomb neighbors willy-nilly and get no pushback from the rest of the world?
And when will US support of such things result in sanctions against it for such lack of common international decency?
Yeah, I know. It’s what a hegemon, even a “rapidly undeveloping” hegemon, can get away with. It’s just so disgusting. Frustrating and infuriating.
Posted by: jawbone | Nov 1 2013 20:24 utc | 11
I may have found via a fellow MoAn, but if not: http://www.qatarsucks.com/
Posted by: guest77 | Nov 1 2013 23:06 utc | 12
#4 spent fuel rod removal starts in a week.
Nothing of interest here; Move on.
Which we all might be doing.
As a non-human might say,
Amen!
Posted by: juannie | Nov 1 2013 23:23 utc | 13
Posted by: juannie | Nov 1 2013 23:28 utc | 14
Nuclear Engineer: The question is, why all of a sudden the urgency at Fukushima plant, what do they know? — They’re obviously feeling pressure, like it’s one move away from checkmate (AUDIO)
Celebrated Physician: Fukushima has humanity “on brink of a possible worldwide nuclear holocaust” — “The world as we know it has changed” — “Effects on our health are incomprehensible”
Good night all. I’m off to bed. Sweet dreams. I hope I’m a naive chicken little and will be eating crow soon. Won’t be bothering y’all any more tonight.
Posted by: juannie | Nov 1 2013 23:38 utc | 15
George Galloway | Are You Racist? | Oxford Union
http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article36718.htm
Posted by: guest77 | Nov 1 2013 23:47 utc | 16
Mike Maloney | Nov 1, 2013 2:21:01 PM | 8
True on the rating thing but sadly he still the potus for a while longer. Then?
Posted by: jo6pac | Nov 2 2013 0:08 utc | 17
True on the rating thing but sadly he still the potus for a while longer. Then?
President Shrillary and a new National Anthem … Somethin’ Stupid.
And then I go and spoil it all
By saying somethin’ stupid like..
Posted by: Hoarsewhisperer | Nov 2 2013 1:32 utc | 18
‘Indonesia also said it has summoned the Australian ambassador, Greg Moriarty, to come to the foreign ministry on Friday. The ministry added that he will face questions over the “totally unacceptable” activities reported in the Sydney Morning Herald.’
http://rt.com/news/china-nsa-embassies-spy-028/
Australias politicians still loyal servants of empire
Posted by: brian | Nov 2 2013 3:23 utc | 19
@ juannie 13, 14, 15: Thanks for those reminders. Kinda pales our concerns about geo-political strategy.
Posted by: ben | Nov 2 2013 5:01 utc | 20
Syria Damascus: Lady Sex Jihadists when not getting laid they shell hospitals with mortars:
http://t.co/60aLLaSM32
tired of being free and keen to be property…the lady sex jihadists join alqaeda
Posted by: brian | Nov 2 2013 5:18 utc | 21
Rowan Berkeley 7
noted.
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palau is also the designated rnr paradise for the muricun sponsored uighur jihadists,
http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/politics/2009/06/us-and-palau-wrangling-over-gitmo-transfer-details-including/
in between *assignments*
china no doubt has branded the perpetrators as *terrorists* , whereas the muricuns laud them as *freedom fighters*.
im neutral, i just call them muricun sponsored jihadists death squads, which is the truth n nothing but the truth.
Posted by: denk | Nov 2 2013 7:02 utc | 22
– Hamas: Hamas had always been on the side of the Resistance Axis… Posted by: Colm O’ Toole | Nov 1, 2013 2:33:00 PM | 9
Personally, I have always thought of Hamas as mere opportunists. It’s an unfortunate fact of the frontline environment that little ‘resistance’ groups become mere mercenaries. The frontline states have an overwhelming interest in appearing to support ‘resistance’ against the Zionist Entity without actually upsetting the real power balance. This is why ‘resistance’ groups fractionate in the way they do. Thus for instance the PFLP underwent a split when the majority joined the compromisist trend and the minority split off to become the PFLP-GC. I shan’t attach Wikipedia links, but I suggest that particular history might be an illustrative cameo.
Posted by: Rowan Berkeley | Nov 2 2013 8:55 utc | 23
@ Rowan
Agree. There have been opportunists on all sides.
Iran does find the Palestinians struggle as a way to prove its not just a Shia movement and used Hamas to point to the fact is also supports Sunni Muslim groups in Palestine. It also uses its funding to burnish its Anti-Imperialist credentials. Hamas can be just as opportunistic taking money from whoever offers the most generous terms.
But as the old saying goes “Money wins wars not soldiers”. Fact is Palestine (by Zionist design) doesn’t have an economy to support prolonged warfare, and bullets sadly don’t grow on olive trees. Palestinian groups need external support and that will always involve a degree of mercenary behaviour.
Posted by: Colm O’ Toole | Nov 2 2013 13:08 utc | 24
An old college buddy of Michelle’s being awarded the $600M no-bid Obamacare website contract highlights the fact that our new and improved health care system is mired in kleptocratic corruption:
http://dailycaller.com/2013/10/25/michelle-obamas-princeton-classmate-is-executive-at-company-that-built-obamacare-website/
Posted by: Cynthia | Nov 2 2013 13:57 utc | 25
*Thanks for the comment, Greenwing. Problem is my spell-checker has sold its soul to the Yanks. You can’t trust anything or anyone these days!* :-0
http://www.dangerouscreation.com/2013/11/australian-sycophancy-to-u-s-brings-deserved-punishment/#comments
Posted by: denk | Nov 2 2013 15:20 utc | 26
But as the old saying goes “Money wins wars not soldiers” – Posted by: Colm O’ Toole | Nov 2, 2013 9:08:38 AM | 24<.blockquote>
That’s an old saying? OMG. Tell me who said it. I bet he’s dead.
Posted by: Rowan Berkeley | Nov 2 2013 17:37 utc | 27
Yanis Varoufakis is without a doubt one of the most insightful commenters on the situation in Europe.
His latest talk ‘The Dirty War for Europe’s Integrity & Soul’ is well worth listening too. He describes the rise of fascism/naziism in Greece. He discusses how the breaking of countries like Greece, Ireland, and Portugal are meant not to help those poor countries, but to instead engender fear in the populations of countries like Italy and France to make sure they toe the austerity line.
Fascinating speech. No one knows the crisis in Europe better.
http://yanisvaroufakis.eu/2013/10/30/on-abc-radio-nationals-big-ideas-program-the-dirty-war-for-europes-integrity-soul/
Posted by: guest77 | Nov 2 2013 18:07 utc | 28
America’s unwillingness to destroy a nation of 70 million at the risk of its own place in the world is keeping the director of the ADL up at night. Poor guy!
Looks like America is just not sacrificing enough blood and treasure to keep the Israel-firsters happy.
http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article36710.htm
Posted by: guest77 | Nov 2 2013 18:15 utc | 29
@ Rowan
Money wins wars. Not soldiers
That’s an old saying? OMG. Tell me who said it. I bet he’s dead.
Not dead, not even real. Peter Baelish AKA Littlefinger from Game of Thrones 😀 There’s a lot of truth on politics and power in that show !
Of course the correct answer to that quote would be “If money wins wars and not soldiers, why doesn’t Saudi Arabia rule the world?” in which case I would give you a genuine old quote “a fool and his money are easily parted”.
Posted by: Colm O’ Toole | Nov 2 2013 18:59 utc | 30
A very interesting view from Syria.
He states that the prime mover of the crisis is the United States which works to divide the region along ethnic lines to legitimize the existence of Israel as an ethnically homogeneous state.
He makes clear the different priorities animating the Israelis and the Saudis in the crisis. Very interesting overall.
http://www.presstv.ir/Program/325013.html
In this edition of the show Ali Rizk interviews Ali Haidar, Syrian minister of reconciliation.
Ali Haidar served as leader of Syrian social nationalist party and was assigned as minister of reconciliation in June 2011.
He is one of the two opposition candidates elected to parliament in May 2012 to be given a ministerial post.
Posted by: guest77 | Nov 2 2013 22:08 utc | 31
Lefts new sport: Brand Bashing
‘”What is perhaps most remarkable though is the way that Brand was immediately attacked by factions of the left, which decided that rather than piggyback off of the sudden popular interest in revolutionary ideas that Brand’s comments provided, they would rather denounce him as an inauthentic revolutionary who fails to pay due attention to favored leftist causes such as fighting patriarchy, LGBTQ liberation and immigrant rights.
That’s right – the left is briefly given a window of opportunity in which much of the country is openly discussing revolutionary ideas, and instead of welcoming and leveraging that opportunity, the leftist instinct is to attack the messenger and effectively shut the window by bringing up divisive issues related to identity politics and the culture wars.”‘
http://essentialopinion.wordpress.com/2013/10/31/russell-brand-bashing-and-the-lefts-preferred-powerlessness/
the left is having a bad time these days: supports US NATO war on libya and USrael saudi etc war on syria ,…now Brand gets the treatment//…maybe they object to an amateur revolutionary upstaging the pros?
Posted by: brian | Nov 2 2013 22:48 utc | 32
@30
Money uses other peoples soldiers! so saudi money is using stupid jihadis to wage war on syria
Posted by: brian | Nov 2 2013 22:50 utc | 33
The Bomb Didn’t Beat Japan… Stalin Did
Have 70 years of nuclear policy been based on a lie?
http://www.foreignpolicy.com/articles/2013/05/29/the_bomb_didnt_beat_japan_nuclear_world_war_ii?page=full
Posted by: brian | Nov 2 2013 23:35 utc | 34
reasonableness, compassion, anger at funding violent men….this is how the empire wants us to perceive its policies:
Giving an example of the deliveries’ impact, however, Ford said Gen. Salim Idris, commander of the Western-backed Free Syrian Army, told him that Syrian air force jets refurbished by Russia and delivered to Assad’s forces “make a huge difference.”
“I think the Russians would help everyone get to the negotiating table if they would stop these deliveries,” Ford said.
Russian officials have repeatedly defended the weapons shipments, saying Moscow is fulfilling previously signed contracts and not violating international law with the deliveries.
Ford told Thursday’s hearing that the United States and its allies had succeeded in getting one Syria-bound Russian arms delivery sent back by convincing an insurance company to withdraw its coverage from the ship carrying the cargo.
“But that’s a rare success,” Ford said. “ … It would be great if we could make better progress with the Russians.”
Thomas Countryman, assistant US secretary of state for international security and nonproliferation, told the hearing that Russian arms deliveries have become “probably more significant than what Iran provides in terms of military assistance.”
He said Russia is losing credibility in the Arab world and around the Middle East by giving its “unswerving support to the Syrian regime.”
etc
http://en.ria.ru/world/20131102/184481490/Russian-Boosting-Arms-Shipments-to-Syria–US-Officials.html
that last line needs some interpretation as ‘arab world’ like ‘international community’ usually refers to a few elite politicians, in this case the GCC power elite
Posted by: brian | Nov 2 2013 23:39 utc | 35
@35
“He said Russia is losing credibility in the Arab world and around the Middle East by giving its ‘unswerving support to the Syrian regime.'”
You’re right. In this case “Arab World” means a few decadent Gulf potentates.
To the masses of the Arab people, on the other hand, the Russians have established the most credibility in the region since they sent MiGs to protect Egypt civilians from being killed by Israeli bombers in the 1970s.
Posted by: guest77 | Nov 2 2013 23:48 utc | 36
Julian Assange Opens M.I.A.’s NYC Show
http://musicfeeds.com.au/news/julian-assange-opens-m-i-a-s-nyc-show/
Posted by: brian | Nov 3 2013 0:29 utc | 37
Apart from all the other Yankee dopiness, Pakistan seems to be taking a very dim view of the recent drone strike which killed the Taliban leader with whom the Pakistan Govt was planning to negotiate a truce or ‘arrangement.’
Paki’s PM has described the (typically cowardly) assassination as an act of “deliberate sabotage”and raised the question of Sovereignty.
Imran Khan has urged the Govt to end all cooperation with the US, including Paki supply (and escape) routes.
Posted by: Hoarsewhisperer | Nov 3 2013 5:14 utc | 38
talk about people living in a glass house…..
http://www.japantimes.co.jp/opinion/2013/11/02/reader-mail/history-defines-china-and-japan/#.UnW8gFOMUYc
here’s quiz, anybody knows how many countries/territory have india invaded n
annexed since its *indepence* ?
i doubt many know the answer, never mind the msm sheeples. !
here goes,
nagaland
http://newint.org/features/1994/06/05/keynote/
does this lady looks like indian ?
http://web.archive.org/web/20100129085412/http://www.hinduonnet.com/fline/fl2118/stories/20040910007400400.htm
[compare the above with the archived page from *the hindu* itself, ]
http://www.hindu.com/thehindu/thscrip/print.pl?file=20040910007400400.htm&date=fl2118/&prd=fline&
assam,
http://www.gettingit.com/article/518
sikkim
http://nepalitimes.com/news.php?id=9621
kashmir
http://www.mediamonitors.net/leonard28.html
goa
http://www.countercurrents.org/comm-gatade100407.htm
etc etc
there’r more but these r the biggies.
india even has its own *seven countries in five yrs* proj !
http://www.countercurrents.org/khan131007.htm
no wonder the locals say india is the murica of south asia !
http://northeastindiadiary.blogspot.com
so is it the usual pot, kettle bs ?
much more, i’d say its another *robber crying robbery* diatribe, a syndrome so prevalent in the democrazies !
tibet, xinjiang etc, r legacies of the interactions [2] between the hans n the
normadic hordes from the north, thousands of yrs ago, during which china was
tormented by the huns, mongolians, manchus, turks….even tibetans at one time.
in any case, that was during the warring era , thousands of yrs back.
whereas india’s land grabs were perpetrated in the 21 century, an era of
supposedly peaceful coexistence, human rights n all that jazz !
bottom line,
the above is not to excuse china’s rule in tibet, xinjiang.
im just pointing out a simple fact,
indians , muricuns, etc have no business pointing their fingers at china
about tibet, etc, about anything. !
coz china looks like angel compared to these democrazies !
*
china’s minorities , especially the tibetans, enjoy preferential treatment over the
hans, like free education, tax free, exemption from one child rule, heavily
subsidised economy, the lot !
where else can u find such priorities for the minorities…in nagaland, assam,
kashmir, kurdistan, west papua, aceh, ?
im not holding my breath !
which begs the question,
why r there so much unrest in tibet, xinjiang, the two territories which r hogging
the headlines, whereas the going ons in india’s *disturbed area* [1] r , for all
practical purposes, non existence in the western msm ?
[1]
http://web.archive.org/web/20091017152248/http://insafindia.org/publication/afspa%20license%20to%20kill.htm
[2]
http://www.womeninworldhistory.com/silk-road-05.html
http://kekexili.typepad.com/life_on_the_tibetan_plate/2007/08/princess-wenche.html
Posted by: denk | Nov 3 2013 5:41 utc | 39
Posted by: denk | Nov 3 2013 5:54 utc | 40
sorry for the non working webarchive links
tested it before posting !
Posted by: denk | Nov 3 2013 6:08 utc | 41
The puppies are back, this time in the Washington Times (Cheryl K Chumley reporting). MBs Busted Using Puppies As Fire-Bombs, ha ha.
Posted by: Rowan Berkeley | Nov 3 2013 7:33 utc | 42
The real reason behind russian intervention in syria
http://m.dailytelegraph.com.au/news/breaking-news/in-midst-of-syria-war-jesus-statue-arises/story-fni0xqlk-1226752113913
Posted by: brakes | Nov 3 2013 8:02 utc | 43
Brakes, there is a nonsequitur in the story you linked there. It says:
The project, called I Have Come to Save the World, is run by the London-based St Paul and St George Foundation, which al-Ghadban directs. It was previously named the Gavrilov Foundation, after a Russian businessman, Yuri Gavrilov. Documents filed with Britain’s Charity Commission describe it as supporting “deserving projects in the field of science and animal welfare” in England and Russia, but the commission’s accounts show it spent less than STG250 ($A426) in the last four years. Al-Ghadban said most of the financing came from private donors, but did not supply further details. Russians have been a driving force behind the project – not surprising given that the Kremlin is embattled Assad’s chief ally, and the Orthodox churches in Russia and Syria have close ties. Al-Ghadban, who spoke from Moscow, is Syrian-Russian and lives in both countries.
This is a normal example of the Daily Torygraph, blaming communists, ex-communists, or putinite authoritarians anyway, for all evildoing in the otherwise virtuous western-capitalist-dominated cosmosphere. But given what they tell us about Gavrilov, he doesn’t sound like a Kremlin stooge at all.
Posted by: Rowan Berkeley | Nov 3 2013 11:14 utc | 44
Rowan
Quite a few news outlets carried the story,russian intervention has always been about protecting the orthodox church in syria.
Posted by: brakes | Nov 3 2013 12:01 utc | 45
Hundreds from al-#Rastan protest against #terrorists, demand their expulsion from the town
Nov 02, 2013 – #Homs, (SANA) – Hundreds from the town of al-Rastan in Homs countryside protested on Saturday, demanding the expulsion of terrorists who had been wreaking havoc in the city and attacking the locals.
SANA’s correspondent in Homs said that the protestors demanded that the Syrian army eliminate the terrorists and return life to normal in their city, affirming that the city has been paralyzed after terrorists entered it, with many people fleeing them and the ones who remained in it losing their livelihoods.http://sana.sy/eng/21/2013/11/02/510450.htm
Posted by: brian | Nov 3 2013 13:10 utc | 46
@42
Incredible. When the Washington Times is citing Brietbart, that’s a grand islamophobic circle jerk going on.
You have to love the descriptions of the “Ten cruel bearded men”.
Has that fright Pam Gellar gotten on this yet?
Posted by: guest77 | Nov 3 2013 15:00 utc | 47
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2477013/Was-ISRAEL-hacking-millions-French-phones-NOT-U-S–Extraordinary-twist-spying-saga-revealed.html
Was ISRAEL behind the hacking of millions of French phones and NOT the U.S.? Extraordinary twist in spying saga revealed
Agents said to have intercepted 70 million calls and text messages a month
France had previously blamed the United States of America
U.S. was first suspected of hacking into Nicolas Sarkozy’s phone in 2012
Americans insisted they have never been behind hacking in France
Comes after it emerged German officials are planning trip to U.S. to discuss allegations Angela Merkel’s phone was hack by the NSA
The German Chancellor said President Obama’s reputation has been shattered on an international scale because of espionage scandal
Posted by: guest77 | Nov 3 2013 15:07 utc | 48
39
ok the links works,
does this lady look like indian ?
http://tinyurl.com/n8euqzd
*disturbed area* [1]
http://tinyurl.com/lbl3nba
Posted by: denk | Nov 3 2013 15:30 utc | 49
[39]
* It is China that invaded India in 1962, Vietnam in 1979, and recently grabbed Kazakh land and Scarborough Shoal.*
http://www.japantimes.co.jp/opinion/2013/11/02/reader-mail/history-defines-china-and-japan/#.UnZyXFOMUYc
if we compile a chart of the 100 biggest lies of the century, u’ll find that fukus hog them all. most of the worst lies were targeted at china, like the chinese *invasion* of india in 1962.
it had been debunked by maxwell neville n gregory clark more than 5 decades ago,[1] yet it’s being repeated Ad nauseam by the fukusi[ndian] media.
bottom line, the truth doesnt matter when u r up against fukus *mighty wurlitzer* [3], once u get smeared , it sticks for life.
isnt democrazies wonderful ?
[1]
+t the time I was a junior China desk officer in the Australian Department of External Affairs. One needed only to look at a map to discover that the hostilities had begun after India moved troops into the Thagla Ridge area, north of the official version of the McMahon Line [2], which India was claiming as its northernmost frontier.
In other words, India must have started the fighting. I made it my job to find out whether the British Foreign Office and the U.S. State Department agreed, which they did, reluctantly.[sic] +
http://tinyurl.com/lpegtde
[2]
the infamous mcmahon line,
http://www.workers.org/marcy/cd/samwith/within/pcnvrt05.htm
[3]
cia
*we play the world media like a giant wurlitzer*
p.s.
banned by
japan *all the news without fear n favor* times
n
new york *all the news fit to print* times.
Posted by: denk | Nov 3 2013 16:55 utc | 50
@denk
if you are interested in relationship among China – India, and what’s behind Tibet and so on than read this: http://www.frontline.in/world-affairs/arms-and-the-elephant/article4995511.ece it is very interesting and from native people, not “former diplomats” and various an empire’s mouthpieces.
Posted by: neretva’43 | Nov 3 2013 18:00 utc | 51
Posted by: guest77 | Nov 3, 2013 10:07:33 AM | 48
well genocidal israel IS upset Obama didnt bomb syria, so they are taking their revenge….worth mentioning to the Obama haters…all is not what it seems
Posted by: brian | Nov 3 2013 20:50 utc | 52
from al Ahram;
“…Dozens of armed groups are fighting in Syria today, presumably aiming to bring down the regime led by President Bashar Al-Assad which has ruled the country with an iron fist for nearly four decades.
Some of these groups are secular, and some are moderate Islamists whose agenda is known and who usually fight in the ranks of the Free Syrian Army (FSA).
However, others, such as the Nusra Front and the Islamic State in Iraq and Syria (ISIS), are known affiliates of Al-Qaeda. Presumably, these groups see themselves as fighting for a worldwide jihad, but their agenda in Syria is so bewildering that some now suspect them of taking sides with the regime….”
http://weekly.ahram.org.eg/News/4499/19/Is-Al-Qaeda-helping-Al-Assad-.aspx
Posted by: okie farmer | Nov 3 2013 22:06 utc | 53
neretva’ 51
thanks for the info, i missed that one.
now why’d i wanna fuck fukus is coz they’r pathological *shit stirrer*.
*Pick any ongoing conflict in the world and see if you do not see the secret hands of the cia/mi5/ busily at work fanning the flames. These flames are the legends *
http://www.countercurrents.org/chamberlin110908.htm
provoking Secession violence n civil unrest is a standard tool of fukus *trade* , divide n conquer is another dirty trick up its sleeve, whether its in me, asia, africa etc.
+I fail to see that it is not in the Australian interest to see the Chinese and the Indians at each other’s throats+ [1]
jeeze, how did asia end up with two white *trojan horses* smack dab in its midst ?
[2]
as if that isnt enough, we’ve local compradors who’r only too willing to be fukus poodles.
reading this [3] gives me an eerie feeling that im reading yesterdays paper, i wouldnt waste more time to dwell on all the points except this,
+But his October 4 decision, taken after a cabinet meeting, made it clear beyond any shadow of a doubt that he had completely capitulated to the right wing on this issue and was kowtowing to U.S. imperialist interests.+
ffw 2013
* One might ask right off whether Japan would produce a leader so foolish as to get between two giants like the U.S. and China. Abe’s speech showed that the U.S. had found someone sufficiently obtuse in Mr. Abe.*
http://dissidentvoice.org/2013/02/japans-abe-kowtows-to-u-s-imperial-elite/
except this time fukus is playing a much dirtier *game*, collaring the whole god damned asia to confront china,
+the decision-makers in Beijing think that the crazies have taken over in Washington, and are trying to draw most of Asia into an anti-Chinese alliance.
There is a good deal of evidence to suggest that they are right. + [4]
the japs seem itching for a fight alright, egged on by the fellow democrazies, whereas india seem to be playing both sides n… getting the best of both world, but the way its splurging on hardwares [5], china might get another nasty surprise when the shit hits the fan !
[1]
http://gregoryclark.net/redif.html
[2]
http://www.arabnews.com/news/471166
http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Peace/2013/10/28/29-Oct-13-World-View-New-Zealand-and-U-S-resume-military-cooperation
john *mia in iraq* key
+Aotearoa report back for duty, sir*
http://tinyurl.com/lpd8avo
[3]
http://www.workers.org/marcy/cd/samwith/within/pcnvrt05.htm
[4]
http://tinyurl.com/lnbu7lj
[5]
*
India to test new missile dubbed ‘the China killer’
http://www.theage.com.au/world/india-to-test-new-missile-dubbed-the-china-killer-20111202-1obc8.html
Posted by: denk | Nov 4 2013 4:48 utc | 54
two visions of syria: one is supported by the syrian people..the other is run by alqaeda and supported by USrael saudi qatar
https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=544404468974462&set=a.509957432419166.1073741838.486686131412963&type=1&theater
Posted by: brian | Nov 4 2013 7:04 utc | 55
from al Ahram: “others, such as the Nusra Front and ISIS, are known affiliates of AQ … their agenda in Syria is so bewildering that some now suspect them of taking sides with the regime … the regime almost never bombs areas that are controlled by the AQ affiliates…” Posted by: okie farmer | Nov 3, 2013 5:06:05 PM | 53
Jesus. Some old lines in disinfo never die.
Posted by: Rowan Berkeley | Nov 4 2013 12:53 utc | 57
Agree, Rowan. The article, for the most part, seemed to be a pout that the MB have been superseded by jihadists.
Posted by: okie farmer | Nov 4 2013 13:55 utc | 58
Not necessarily DM but I may have foreseen something like it coming; but then I thought ben was the only one to get it.
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Posted by: juannie | Nov 4 2013 15:13 utc | 59
Posted by: okie farmer | Nov 3, 2013 5:06:05 PM | 53
the R word (regime) is always a marker for the person using it, esp when the target is a free and independent state
Posted by: brian | Nov 4 2013 21:09 utc | 60
Posted by: okie farmer | Nov 4, 2013 8:55:53 AM | 58
the MB ARE jihadists!
Posted by: brian | Nov 4 2013 21:11 utc | 61
“Das passt gar nicht!”
Will Angie quick out the perfide Albion out the EU? Let me dream for a second…
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/revealed-britains-secret-listening-post-in-the-heart-of-berlin-8921548.html
Posted by: Mina | Nov 5 2013 10:06 utc | 62
The BBC does NOT report until now on the Independent’s revelations…
Posted by: Mina | Nov 5 2013 12:06 utc | 63
@61
brian, I should have said ‘MB’s jihadists, with Saudi’s jihadists’.
Posted by: okie farmer | Nov 5 2013 13:18 utc | 64
all these hullabaloo about huawei’s security risk,
turns out that the real enemy is from within hehehe…
http://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2013/11/05/pers-n05.html
*Australia’s centrality was underscored last week when Prime Minister Tony Abbott overruled senior ministers to uphold a ban on any involvement of the Chinese telecommunications giant Huawei in the country’s national broadband network (NBN). The decision to block Huawei on “security grounds,” originally taken by the previous Labor government on the advice of the Australian intelligence agencies, was driven by concerns that the NSA could not have the same easy access to Internet cables and equipment that it enjoys with American companies such as Cisco.*
Posted by: denk | Nov 5 2013 16:12 utc | 65
So what they’re saying is that the problem with Huawei is that it isn’t enough of a security risk, it’s too secure. That certainly is ironic.
Posted by: Rowan Berkeley | Nov 5 2013 18:48 utc | 66
Rowan Berkeley 66
china has never been a threat to australia, yet the aussies r not only spying on their biggest customers, that gillard regime looks fully ready to follow the muricuns into confrontation with china, rendering australia a legit target if war break out !
thats another reason i want to fukusa , the fukusans r all the same, they like ur money but they want to screw u at the same time. !
*fukusa big business wants it both ways with China. Boeing wants to sell its planes there. Intel wants it to buy computer chips. Philip Morris wants to market its cigarettes. But they all want to diminish China as a world power, tear pieces off if they can, and make sure that China’s modernization does not strengthen its socialist state property. It’s the job of President [fill in the blank] and the foreign policy establishment to facilitate commercial relations with China while also letting the Pentagon, the CIA, and the other agencies of imperialist aggression do their thing*
http://www.workers.org/ww/1997/china1106.html
Posted by: denk | Nov 6 2013 3:49 utc | 67
whoa !
+Your IP address has been blocked due to excessive spam comments. Please contact us if you believe this is in error.+
http://www.businessinsider.com/chinese-viral-video-responds-to-jimmy-kimmel-2013-11?pundits_only=0&comments_page=1#comment-form
Posted by: denk | Nov 6 2013 5:41 utc | 68
why americans despise their own govt:
Zionist control of US congress:
‘As the US and the 5 other countries attempt to negotiate with Iran , they face enormous obstacles overcoming Israel ’s power over the US Congress. Over past decades Israel ’s agents have bought the loyalties of the vast majority of Congress people, training them to recognize and obey the whistles, signals and script from the war mongers in Tel Aviv.
This ‘Axis of War’, has inflicted enormous damage on the world resulting in the deaths of millions of victims of US wars in the Middle East, Southwest Asia and North Africa . The gross corruption and widely recognized bankruptcy of the US legislative system is due to its slavish submission to a foreign power. What remains in Washington is a debased vassal state despised by its own citizens. If the ZPC controlled Congress succeeds once again in destroying the negotiations between the US and Iran via new war-like resolutions, we, the American people, will have to pay an enormous price in lives and treasure. ‘
http://www.globalresearch.ca/israel-buys-the-us-congress-sabotaging-the-us-iran-peace-negotiations/5356541
Posted by: brian | Nov 6 2013 8:41 utc | 69
next time you feel compelled to wear a cool anticorporate mask , ask yourself who made it
https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10152333913349622&set=a.244577769621.176977.756814621&type=1&theater
Posted by: brian | Nov 6 2013 8:58 utc | 70
DM,
maybe it was my links. Do you know exactly what triggers it?
Is it a long link itself or putting the link as the title (>link to ACLU<) or what?
If you or anyone else knows, let me know so I can avoid it in the future.
It does get pretty annoying after a long thread.
Posted by: juannie | Nov 6 2013 12:53 utc | 71
*Several years ago some Australian members of parliament were given a security briefing where a video conference intercept of two of the most senior Malaysian military commanders was proudly shown to demonstrate Australia’s electronic surveillance abilities, where it implied the ability to access some of the most sensitive military and diplomatic communications in the region*
http://www.4thmedia.org/2013/11/07/has-an-out-of-control-intelligence-community-compromised-australia-in-the-asian-century/
Posted by: denk | Nov 8 2013 12:33 utc | 72
current meme has it that ph is being forced by an *assertive* [4]china into uncle sham’s waiting arm, but hey, uncle wasnt too keen to get embroiled in the asians quarrel ! [cough, cough]
see, all that cowboy wants is to serenade to his love all day.
but the reluctant hero got an urgent msg, the town folks needs him pronto!
he gave a deep sigh, put away his guitar, dust off his beloved rifle, gotta ride into town to deal with another crooked rancher.
our hero muttered to himself, ok, just this one last time. !
sounds familiar ?
thats what uncle want us to believe, he’s being *dragged* into another conflict, screaming n kicking, ala ….kosovo, libya, syria !
but for those who has been paying attention ,meaning me, this is pure bs.
there was no war on the eastern front before uncle sham gate crashed the asian party.
the territory issues were put on back burner while trade n talk flourished, it was biz as usual except for some occasional squabbles.
as recent as 2010, the philippinos were telling uncle sham to fuck off, *we r doing fine by ourself, thank you very much * [1]
then that imperial envoy clinton descended on manila like a ton of bricks , had a *pep talk* with aquino. overnite, the ph prez’s altitude turned 180 from conciliation to confrontation. !
what gives ?
one could only surmise, did clinton say something like ….
*do u wanna be with me , or…..gadaffi * ? [2]
hmm, take a look at that pic [3]
guess who’s the one looking like being *dragged crying n kicking* to the table ?
somehow i’ve this feeling the philippino fm didnt exactly looks like the one running the show !
[1]
*”It’s ASEAN and China. Can I make myself clear? It’s ASEAN and China. Is that clear enough?” Romulo told reporters*
http://www.google.com/hostednews/afp/article/ALeqM5hoOYtZyAGVIZe-JcqZ42nTScZl5g
[2]
http://www.voltairenet.org/article178162.html
[3]
http://chinhdangvu.blogspot.sg/2011/06/china-threat-us-ready-to-arm.html
http://www.presstv.com/detail/186014.html
[some wag commented that the ph fm looks like a butler beside the mdm dowager lol]
[4] very soon they r gonna upgrade it to *aggressive*
Posted by: denk | Nov 9 2013 14:10 utc | 73
*Nearly 600 kilometers southwest of the Philippine capital, workers are building an access road to link the mainland of Luzon to Oyster Bay on the island province of Palawan. The pristine island is a major tourist destination, but the project is not aimed at luring foreign travelers, rather to transform the bay into what officials are referring to as a “mini Subic”. *
http://www.atimes.com/atimes/Southeast_Asia/SEA-01-071113.html
yet another paradise turned into an muricun outpost.
do i need more reason to fukus ?
im sure they aint building these mega bases all around china just for the fun of it eh ?
someone chided china for its *diplomatic blunder*, pushing ph, myanmar to choose the evil empire as benefitor.
really ?
u dont *choose* ur rapist, the sob impose himself on u ! [1]
as for myanmar, more like the generals r scared shitless by the gadaffi death porn , im sure mdm dowager clinton’s subsequent visit *helped* to make up their mind.
[u wanna be with me, or gadaffi ?] [2]
i’d say this is a very educated guess, dunno why atimes deleted it ?
[1]
http://smirkingchimp.com/thread/4505
+Don’t call us; call the U.S. State or Defense Departments; they are the ones who are pressuring us to build this base+
http://fpif.org/naval_base_tears_apart_korean_village/
[2]
http://www.voltairenet.org/article174240.html
http://www.voltairenet.org/article178162.html
Posted by: denk | Nov 10 2013 5:42 utc | 74