"Disorder" In And "Saving" Iraq
So who is responsible for "disorder" in Iraq ? Who created it? Who must "save" Iraq (whatever that may mean)?Not the New York Times which spread the propaganda about weapon of mass destruction in Iraq and pushed the U.S. public to accept a war on Iraq. Not the editors of the NYT who called for sanctions and that disastrous war. Not the United States which destroyed the Iraqi state. Not the Saudis who currently, with CIA support, finance and weaponized AlQaeda and bring new fighters to Syria and Iraq.
No. It must be the fault of Iraqis and especially their prime minister al-Maliki.
Maliki and the Iraqi security forces need weapons and better intelligence to defeat AlQaeda, the Islamic State in Iraq and Syria. The U.S. does not want to deliver such or help repair the damage it has done to Iraq. That is good, says the editors:
President Obama and Mr. Maliki, who met at the White House on Friday, agreed on the need for equipment so Iraqi forces can pursue militants. But there was no indication that Mr. Maliki, who plans to run for a third term, had received new commitments for American-made weapons like Apache helicopters and expedited delivery of F-16 fighters.It really needs very shallow minds and a lot of chutzpa to write such editorials without collapsing from some major cognitive disorder and dissonance.Given his authoritarian duplicity, there is no reason to trust him with even more arms unless he adopts a more inclusive approach to governing and ensures that next April’s election will be fair and democratic.
Posted by b on November 2, 2013 at 10:04 UTC | Permalink
It will be like the Syrian rebels: the rule is light arms only. Israel says no.
Or they might use the arms on the Kurds, another Washington favourite.
It is not really significant that those heavy weapons are being sold to the Saudis. Their military are unable to use the hi-tech they paid for.
Posted by: alexno | Nov 2 2013 13:36 utc | 2
Well, there is talk about the Shi'ite militias reviving, and they of course would be armed aplenty by ... ahem... AP story here.
Posted by: Rowan Berkeley | Nov 2 2013 13:41 utc | 3
Given his authoritarian duplicity, there is no reason to trust him with even more arms unless he adopts a more inclusive approach to governing and ensures that next April’s election will be fair and democratic.
Well color me shocked that the Zionist US would continue on its Zionist program of destabilizing the Mideast by having its Zionist mouthpieces such as the Zionist NYT continue to call for the continuation of the implementation of Zionist balkanization strategies going back decades such as the Yinon Plan and the more current Reimagining of the Middle East put forth by Zionist think tanks.
But I'm sure to be corrected by some posters here who will tell us that NO ONE - and certainly not said Zionists - would have/could have ever DREAMED of Iraq turning into the sorry - sniffle - "state" (nudge wink) that it is today, right? It was all just a big clusterf*ck that - oops - just happened to break the Zionist way once again. And I thought it was the Irish who were supposed to be lucky....
Take it away, boyZ....
Posted by: JSorrentine | Nov 2 2013 17:11 utc | 4
Given the appalling damage done to Irak cynically, viciously, with malice and with forethought, by the Government and people of the USA together with their allies in invading and occupying the country it takes deliberate and wanton dishonesty to write such editorials, and deliberate and wanton ignorance to believe them.
Dubhaltach
Posted by: Dubhaltach | Nov 2 2013 17:12 utc | 5
I'm surprised we haven't heard some US spokesfreak tell us there is no need for American responsibility because "the destruction was mutual".
During a recent visit to Vietnam, Defense Secretary William S. Cohen pointedly refused to apologize for the U.S. military action there, explaining, as he put it, ``Both nations were scarred by this. They [the Vietnamese] have their own scars from the war. We certainly have ours.''Cohen's words echo those of President Carter, who in 1977 refused to normalize relations with Vietnam because, in his words, ``the destruction was mutual.''
Posted by: guest77 | Nov 2 2013 17:55 utc | 6
The latest investigation into the cost of the Iraq war in human lives puts the number of dead at 460,000.
http://www.plosmedicine.org/article/info%3Adoi%2F10.1371%2Fjournal.pmed.1001533
Posted by: guest77 | Nov 2 2013 18:03 utc | 7
A few more, and we can give Dick Cheney a medal. The Order of Hell on Earth, with fig leaves.
Posted by: Rowan Berkeley | Nov 2 2013 20:17 utc | 8
Good to see that MoA posted on today's NYT editorial, which was truly appalling. I've been reading the Gray Lady for decades and my sense is that occasionally she swaps unsigned editorial space to various factions in the think tank/government sphere to curry favor or settle scores. Even though the main foreign affairs editorial writer, David Unger, is no Neocon (he was a student of Walter LaFerber), today's editorial, which discusses Al Qaeda's reanimation in Iraq in terms of al-Maliki not being inclusive enough in doling out patronage, perfectly annunciates Rowan Berkeley's mantra: Al Qaeda is a Western/GCC/Israeli construct designed to maintain the status quo of perpetual war.
Posted by: Mike Maloney | Nov 2 2013 22:00 utc | 9
"Al Qaeda is a Western/GCC/Israeli construct designed to maintain the status quo of perpetual war."
Well, better late than never. I guess you wrestled with own thought vs. patriotism to the very end.
Former UK minister of defense Robin Cook 2005 said:
"The truth is, there is no Islamic army or terrorist group called Al Qaida. And any informed intelligence officer knows this. But there is a propaganda campaign to make the public believe in the presence of an identified entity representing the 'devil' only in order to drive the 'TV watcher' to accept a unified international leadership for a war against terrorism. The country behind this propaganda is the US and the lobbyists for the US war on terrorism are only interested in making money."
Shortly afterwards he died. Coincidence or Vendetta?
Posted by: neretva'43 | Nov 2 2013 23:58 utc | 10
"It really needs very shallow minds and a lot of chutzpa to write such editorials without collapsing from some major cognitive disorder and dissonance."
All propaganda must be so popular and on such an intellectual level that even the most stupid of those toward whom it is directed will understan it. Therefore the intellectual level of the propaganda must be the lower, the lager the the number of people who are to be influenced by it. (p. 197)Through clever and consonat application of propaganda people can be made to see paradise as hell, and also the other way round, to consider the most wretched sort of life as pradise. (p. 376)
Adolf Hitler, Mein Kampf
On intellectual and practial level, after more than seven decades of historical distance, there is no difference between NYT (and those behind NYT) and quoted text from Mein Kampf.
http://www.iraqbodycount.org/database/recent/
1. October Was Iraq's Deadliest Month In Over 5 Years
Posted by: neretva'43 | Nov 3 2013 2:50 utc | 11
NYT's revised Pottery Barn rule: "We broke it. Tough luck! You own it."
Posted by: JohnH | Nov 3 2013 3:22 utc | 12
@neretva'43: I might be mistaken, but I believe that Robin Cook held the posts of Foreign Secretary and Leader of the House of Commons before he resigned, but I am unaware that he was ever Minister of Defense. If you could provide a source for the quote you provided, it would be appreciated.
Posted by: Monolycus | Nov 3 2013 4:08 utc | 13
I Googled the quote you provided and it came up on several sites, few of which I would describe as reputable, and it was attributed to a different person on nearly every one of them.
I am not defending the existence or non-existence of al Qaeda, mind you. Whether they exist or not as an organization is immaterial to me since they are obviously used as a bugbear to push forward shaky US foreign policy in any event. I am merely humbly suggesting that the case you make for your argument does not lead inexorably to the Q.E.D. that you might have hoped for.
Posted by: Monolycus | Nov 3 2013 4:24 utc | 14
@42 + 43
Monolycus, you can find the quote from a very reputable source here. look near the end of the article.
Posted by: too many wtf | Nov 3 2013 5:23 utc | 15
@ Posted by: Monolycus | Nov 3, 2013 12:08:44 AM | 12
You're correct, Cook was never Minister of Defense or even a Minister in the MOD. Neither a google site search nor a direct search of Hansard - House of Commons debates - UK Parliament turns up the phrase attributed to Cook:
" is not really a terrorist group but a database of international mujaheddin and arms smugglers used by the CIA and Saudis to funnel guerrillas, arms, and money into Soviet-occupied Afghanistan etc ....
This doesn't mean he didn't say it but it does mean that he most almost certainly didn't say it in during a parliamentary debate.
Dubhaltach
Posted by: Dubhaltach | Nov 3 2013 7:58 utc | 16
@too many wtf #14 and Dubhaltach #15: Thank you both very much.
Posted by: Monolycus | Nov 3 2013 9:26 utc | 17
@neretva'43 [10]: I haven't found any reference to this alleged statement on Handard's, nor seems to be there any other reliable source except WMR and the like. Have you got one?
Posted by: g_h | Nov 3 2013 9:44 utc | 18
Here is an article by Robin Cook which at least contains the "database" reference:
http://www.theguardian.com/uk/2005/jul/08/july7.development
Posted by: Rowan Berkeley | Nov 3 2013 11:18 utc | 19
Of course, the late Robin Cook was Minister of Foreign Affairs. What is said is even more devastating for the neo-cons and politics of fear than origin of al-Qaeda.
http://www.theguardian.com/uk/2005/jul/08/july7.development
The above quote had been said by a French officer Maj. Pierre-Henry Bunel and his detailed recollection of the origin of al-Qaeda, another victim of a far reaching neo-cons.
http://www.globalresearch.ca/al-qaeda-the-database-2/24738
More likely than not al-Qaeda is an invention of Team B, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Team_B, and similarly minded people, which all this take me to Mein Kampf and Große Lüge:
All propaganda must be so popular and on such an intellectual level that even the most stupid of those toward whom it is directed will understand it. Therefore the intellectual level of the propaganda must be the lower, the lager the the number of people who are to be influenced by it. (p. 197)Through clever and consonant application of propaganda people can be made to see paradise as hell, and also the other way round, to consider the most wretched sort of life as paradise. (p. 376)
Posted by: neretva'43 | Nov 3 2013 11:23 utc | 20
While I am at Team B or Committee on the Present Danger last night I was reading this:
This isn't something new at all, and this text suffer from a semi-truth and lies by omission which is to expected from the Guardian. Putted in to the context with al-Qeada narrative one clearly see a geneses of the U.S. foreign policy.
http://www.iraqbodycount.org/database/recent/
1. October Was Iraq's Deadliest Month In Over 5 Years
Posted by: neretva'43 | Nov 3 2013 11:53 utc | 21
Kerry describes the divergence with KSA as purely "tactical". His goal is still "regime change". Why the hell going to Geneva II, then?
Posted by: Mina | Nov 4 2013 11:33 utc | 22
Forgot the link:
http://news.yahoo.com/kerry-plays-down-tactics-differences-syria-144008470.html
Posted by: Mina | Nov 4 2013 16:53 utc | 23
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It is called amnesia. In this case, however, it might be also sour grapes syndrome as Maliki has procured an 4.2 billion arms deal with Russia.
Compare to arms deals with Saudi Arabia, UAE and Kuwait
So the cold war has morphed into three way billiard with Iran now.
Posted by: somebody | Nov 2 2013 12:46 utc | 1