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September 21, 2013
Open Thread 2013-20
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Real News – Lawrence Wilkerson Posted by: somebody | Sep 21 2013 17:55 utc | 1 Interesting that many of those pushing for tougher US gun laws also,want to send more arms to Syrian terrorists. Posted by: Andoheb | Sep 21 2013 18:28 utc | 2 Why are Iraqis still gathering in crowds after the recent spate of car bomb attacks? Seems idiotic Posted by: Andoheb | Sep 21 2013 18:32 utc | 3 obama cant stop and with syria and with the zionist rhodes writing his speeches.. Posted by: Anonymous | Sep 21 2013 18:58 utc | 4 3 Posted by: Anonymous | Sep 21 2013 18:59 utc | 5 Will the Israeli soldier killed by Palestinian hurt any talks with Iran. And is it a staged event to do so? Posted by: therevolutionwas | Sep 21 2013 19:18 utc | 6 6 Posted by: Anonymous | Sep 21 2013 19:44 utc | 7 re 3. Why are Iraqis still gathering in crowds after the recent spate of car bomb attacks? Seems idiotic Posted by: alexno | Sep 21 2013 20:03 utc | 8 Can anyone tell me who wrote the “red-line” speech for Obama? Posted by: g_h | Sep 21 2013 20:15 utc | 9 @9 its my impression that was a off-the-cuff remark. I don’t know for sure though. Posted by: guest77 | Sep 21 2013 20:18 utc | 10 Here’s a new hit job on a dead man. This surely makes that trashy film “The last King of Scotland” look like a masterpiece of peer-reviewed historical research. Writing books specifically to salve the guilt of murderous western liberals is surely a growth industry. Posted by: guest77 | Sep 21 2013 20:27 utc | 11 I support tougher US gun laws and NO WEAPONS TO THE SO-CALLED REBELS IN SYRIA. Posted by: Susan | Sep 21 2013 20:27 utc | 12 Just to update people on the Iraqi situation. Posted by: alexno | Sep 21 2013 20:45 utc | 13 George Galloway: “I’m not trying to change the heart of of a former advisor to Ariel Sharon, assuming such a thing exists….” Posted by: guest77 | Sep 21 2013 20:53 utc | 14 to continue: Posted by: alexno | Sep 21 2013 20:55 utc | 15 90 more Killed in latest Iraq car bomb attacks. Western “humanitarians” could not care less. Just dumb sand niggers killing each other. Posted by: Andoheb | Sep 21 2013 21:00 utc | 16 http://www.syrianews.cc/syria-al-qaeda-beheaded-fsa/ things seem to be looking up for the “moderates” /sarc Posted by: somone else | Sep 21 2013 21:01 utc | 17 There probably have been hundreds of car bomb attacks in Syria and Iraq the past few years Posted by: Andoheb | Sep 21 2013 21:09 utc | 18 This man is a brilliant artist and writer. He captures the America that exists outside of the gentrified areas of a few big cities. Posted by: guest77 | Sep 21 2013 21:26 utc | 19 re 15. 90 more Killed in latest Iraq car bomb attacks. Western “humanitarians” could not care less. Just dumb sand niggers killing each other. Posted by: alexno | Sep 21 2013 21:26 utc | 20 AP reporter Dale Gavlak saying Prince Bandar threatening her over Syria chemical weapons story exposing ‘rebel’ use of CW: Posted by: revenire | Sep 21 2013 21:43 utc | 21 @4 – that wouldn’t be a surprise.. it is all about regime change as the main excuse for making war, even if the plundering of others resources is left out of the conversation.. is cass sunstein (samantha powers husband) indirectly writing speeches for the obama us dept at the un yet? Posted by: james | Sep 21 2013 22:15 utc | 22 @19 Complete with a comment from Louis Proyect, that scumbag. Posted by: guest77 | Sep 21 2013 22:16 utc | 23 Wow. More shocking news from a dying America. The continuing exploitation of Native peoples. From the excellent MintPress News. Posted by: guest77 | Sep 21 2013 22:38 utc | 24 Via The Keiser Report, Get your barf bags ready:
I’m not a violent guy, but the author here is really asking for a vigorous pitchforking. Posted by: guest77 | Sep 21 2013 23:00 utc | 25 No western BS about duty to protect when the victims are Shiites. Posted by: Andoheb | Sep 21 2013 23:17 utc | 26 Unbelievable. A genuine al Qaeda terrorist pays a $100 and goes free. But Manning rots in jail.
via the Angry Arab Posted by: guest77 | Sep 22 2013 0:03 utc | 27 Pakistan has released its highest-ranking Afghan Taliban prisoner in an effort to jump-start Afghanistan’s struggling peace process. Posted by: Maracatu | Sep 22 2013 0:04 utc | 28 Demographics=the future. That’s what “Spengler” said in his book How Civilizations Die but he misapplied his analysis wrt Israel and the US. He claimed that Israel was expanding demographically and then asserted that it was due to the Orthodox and ultra-Orthodox. Basically, those are the Jews who collect their welfare cheques and sit on their tookuses all day and who depend on their leaders to read Torah and issue fatwas telling them how to behave (instead of hijabs their married women have to shave their heads and wear ugly wigs) while the secular Jews go out and fight for them and then leave Israel. Meanwhile the Palestinians are having big families. So at the end of the day there will be no Israel. All the Arabs have to do is sit and wait. Posted by: Albertde | Sep 22 2013 0:40 utc | 29 This is an excerpt from Fisk in The Independent today: Russia has released details of the countries which bought ther rockets used in the “sarin attack”, Syria is not among them, Libya is. Posted by: bevin | Sep 22 2013 1:19 utc | 30 What a f*cking smear job by the Grey Lady of Mother Agnes… A Nun Lends a Voice of Skepticism on the Use of Poison Gas by Syria and now for the laugh of the week : USregime pledges to being islamic terrorists to justice Posted by: brian | Sep 22 2013 1:57 utc | 32 @29 Posted by: brian | Sep 22 2013 2:10 utc | 33 The Israelis being typical d*ckheads again… Diplomats delivering aid roughed up by Israeli soldiers @guest77 | 25 Posted by: Harry | Sep 22 2013 3:48 utc | 36 All the Arabs have to do is sit and wait. Posted by: Hoarsewhisperer | Sep 22 2013 4:11 utc | 37
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Posted by: somebody | Sep 22 2013 4:53 utc | 38 9/10 no it was very deliberate, thought through statement during a press conference Posted by: somebody | Sep 22 2013 5:15 utc | 39 19, revenire, wow
Posted by: somebody | Sep 22 2013 5:36 utc | 40 Posted by: CTuttle | Sep 21, 2013 10:36:52 PM | 32 Posted by: brian | Sep 22 2013 5:55 utc | 41 review of The Devil Never Dies: The Rise and Threat of Global Antisemitism by Daniel Jonah Goldhagen. Posted by: Toth | Sep 22 2013 6:41 utc | 42 What doddering paranoid old fools… Saudi Arabia bans ‘vendetta’ masks ahead of National Day This person seems to be doing a good job investigating the attack and refuting the HRW and mainstream media analysis: http://whoghouta.blogspot.com/ Posted by: Robin Miller | Sep 22 2013 6:59 utc | 44 The New York Times weighs in on the Dale Gavlak issue trying to make it sectarian by association – they already had to put one correction under the article they should put another correction under it
This is scandalous. It is like saying “The NYT’s editorial policy of defending Saudi Arabia detrimental to facts and American values is evident by the Jewish upbringing of its editorial editor”.
Posted by: somebody | Sep 22 2013 7:13 utc | 45 @11 I would suggest that no matter how “debauched” a dictator might be, the first rule of The Dictator’s Handbook is: Rule 1 Never ever ever rape your male bodyguards. They don’t like it and they have guns. Posted by: Johnboy | Sep 22 2013 7:15 utc | 46 add to 42) There is something else the NYT suddenly lets creep in from one article to another which is obviously intentionally wrong
As the NYT state themselves in a different article: Posted by: somebody | Sep 22 2013 7:34 utc | 47 @28 All very interesting, and possibly even true, but until ol’ Fiskie can get a Russian official to go on the record then his article amounts to little more than scuttlebutt. Posted by: Johnboy | Sep 22 2013 7:51 utc | 48 Some #42 Posted by: Mina | Sep 22 2013 9:06 utc | 49 Sorry for posting here what should be on the Syria thread, but… well… you know why… Posted by: Mina | Sep 22 2013 9:20 utc | 50 45) this is Russia’s official statement
The UN found no warhead on the site with the rocket bearing Cyrillian engravings (the 1967 Soviet rocket). They found a warhead with 56+-6 liters capacity on the second site with the unidentified rocket. Posted by: somebody | Sep 22 2013 9:21 utc | 51 @43 The execution of Karzai’s brother by his bodyguard came immediately to mind. Posted by: guest77 | Sep 22 2013 12:39 utc | 52 All of this nonsense about the “cyrillic markings” and who had what weapons where and even who has sarin or not seems to completely eclipse the fact that the country is a war zone where the government and opposition have continually see-sawed across the territory capturing this and that. This doesn’t even mention the possibilities of weaponry being sold and/or stolen by criminals. That even doesn’t mention the fact that the entire operation is funded and sourced by outside powers with access to anything available on the black market in this sea of weapons that is today’s middle east. Posted by: guest77 | Sep 22 2013 12:56 utc | 53 @32 Par for the course, I suppose – the IDF throwing grenades at diplomats and aid workers. Posted by: guest77 | Sep 22 2013 13:09 utc | 54 obviously – from RT
In other news the Russian Damascus embassy is hit by mortar shells. Posted by: somebody | Sep 22 2013 13:10 utc | 55 @40 Thanks for the link the the review. I didn’t realize that was the author that Norman Finkelstein and others have so rightly and roundly destroyed.
Posted by: guest77 | Sep 22 2013 13:24 utc | 56 This episode in Syria has done another good thing for Russia to my mind – it has raised the profile of Sergey Lavrov and shown him to be smart, adept, and principled. Posted by: guest77 | Sep 22 2013 13:33 utc | 57 Here we go again, Russia being blackmailed by the US/UN on the agreement on Syria. Posted by: ben | Sep 22 2013 13:42 utc | 58 Re #40, #53: Goldberg and/or Goldhagen are operating on a completely false argument, namely that “Jewish independence” (ie Zionism) “was first prescribed to cure the disease of anti-Semitism.” It was prescribed, eg by Pinsker, as a way of coping with, or defending Jews against “anti-Semitism”, which was assumed to be an incurable fact of life, worldwide, without convenient exceptions such as liberal USAia. The obvious prognostication that was made by intelligent Zionists from the very first inception of Zionism was that exacerbated “anti-Semitism” would act as dialectical twin to Zionism, ie both as cause impelling Jews to Zionism and as effect of their being impelled to it, thereby eventually forcing all the world’s Jews to take refuge in the Jewish state as their only hope of survival. Thus the fortress mentality was built into it from the start. Nobody pretended that Zionism, and territorial independence resulting from it, would bring peace on earth and an absence of hostility towards Jews. I use quote marks around the jargon term “anti-Semitism” because I consider it basically misleading as to the various forms of militant opposition to the various forms of Jewish activity. Posted by: Rowan Berkeley | Sep 22 2013 13:48 utc | 59 Would not surprise me if Zionist media try to blame Iran for Kenya attack. Posted by: Andoheb | Sep 22 2013 13:52 utc | 60 g h asked… Can anyone tell me who wrote the “red-line” speech for Obama? Posted by: Noirette | Sep 22 2013 13:58 utc | 61 What seems so dangerous to me about his praise for America’s racial history – a deeply, deeply violent and oppressive racial history – is that, because his group finds itself as one of those not oppressed, he can ignore the real crimes against others – or at least can make them disappear from the story by naming them like you would Rumpelstiltskin. Posted by: guest77 | Sep 22 2013 13:58 utc | 62 @58 They’re nice huh? And excellent writing as well. He’s always posted at information clearinghouse. A site which always has great info, even if 90% of the commenters are scumbags. Posted by: guest77 | Sep 22 2013 14:36 utc | 63 “…What seems so dangerous to me about his praise for America’s racial history – a deeply, deeply violent and oppressive racial history – is that, because his group finds itself as one of those not oppressed, he can ignore the real crimes against others…” Posted by: bevin | Sep 22 2013 14:39 utc | 64 lol @ israeli forces in nairobi! Posted by: Anonymous | Sep 22 2013 14:41 utc | 65
Indeed – and it always makes me wonder about the real origins of Calvinism. There seems to be a mutual proxy relation between Calvinists and Jews, in that either can substitute for the other as righteous colonialists, half-hearted missionaries, and whole-hearted exterminators of the ungodly, not to mention dedicated capitalists, in that both believe that wealth is evidence of God’s favour, and so by definition the accumulation of it cannot be an unrighteous activity. This is one of the many reasons I like Spinoza: he expresses absolute detestation of that creed. Posted by: Rowan Berkeley | Sep 22 2013 15:42 utc | 66 The tragedy of Mexico:
Compare to:
Again, all it takes is a pundit to say a few magic words: “Of course there are still Security Threats but…” and the reality of people being butchered on a daily basis is obscured by buzzwords like “competitive marketplace” and “pro-democracy voter base” … like so many bodies in a narco grave covered by a thin layer of dry Zacatecas dirt. Posted by: guest77 | Sep 22 2013 15:58 utc | 67 I’m not the kind of person who believes that citizens shouldn’t be allowed to have arms, the problem, though, is that the US gun industry is fueling conflicts around the world — especially across the border in Mexico. This is an industry of death which is the equal to the drug trade – the American money making counterpart to the cash made by Mexican narcos.
http://www.borderlandbeat.com/2013/09/z-40s-gun-traced-san-antonio-gun-dealer.html#more Posted by: guest77 | Sep 22 2013 16:05 utc | 68 lol @ israeli forces in nairobi! Posted by: alexno | Sep 22 2013 16:15 utc | 69 The Dave Gavlak / Yahyah Ababneh rebels sarin story gets a new twist: Posted by: somebody | Sep 22 2013 16:24 utc | 70 @70 Not to be nit=picky, but her name is Dale, and she is a woman. Posted by: guest77 | Sep 22 2013 17:05 utc | 71 71, sorry typo.
Posted by: somebody | Sep 22 2013 18:17 utc | 72 No talk about the elections in Germany? Unsurprising results I know, but most important elections in Europe. Looks like Merkel for another 4 years. Also looking like her CDU Party could get an outright majority, first since Adenauer. Awful result for the Social Democrats, the anti-Capitalist Linke Party will likely be the third largest party in Germany but considering the economic crisis they should have got more than 8.5%.
So who are the winners and losers in all this? Posted by: Colm O’ Toole | Sep 22 2013 18:27 utc | 73 Well, Germany is gearing up to be the hegemon of europe. That isn’t exactly a new idea. Posted by: Rowan Berkeley | Sep 22 2013 18:40 utc | 74 73) The FDP – which is the free trade party representing special interest groups – is probably finished for good – they are also out in regional elections. That means Merkel’s CDU will need either the Greens or the Social Democrats as coalition partners in the future. Maybe they get an absolute majority with 42/43 percent this time, that will not last. Posted by: somebody | Sep 22 2013 18:55 utc | 75 @75 Posted by: guest77 | Sep 22 2013 19:09 utc | 76 My new favorite show:
Posted by: guest77 | Sep 22 2013 19:49 utc | 77 76) Die Linke have ca. 8 percent, their programme centers on social justice exclusively. That does not mean the other parties do not have their social justice programmes. There are just slight differences in the degree of demands and the emphasis on groups. It is very difficult to feel anybody is really in opposition here. The free market FDP has been kicked out. Basically Merkel has robbed the other parties of most issues. Fukushima was the event when the Greens lost the anti nuclear case – now the CDU supports alternative energy, too. Posted by: somebody | Sep 22 2013 19:54 utc | 78 @ 75 Posted by: Colm O’ Toole | Sep 22 2013 20:02 utc | 79 79) It really won’t make any difference. Merkel cannot act unilaterally in the EU, she needs at least France – so no austerity. Germany is dependent on Gazprom, so has to talk to Russia. Merkel basically won by being completely uncontroversial. Posted by: somebody | Sep 22 2013 20:36 utc | 80 So those Kenyan attackers were international Jihad
Posted by: somebody | Sep 22 2013 20:49 utc | 81 Well…the spent fuel rod removal process has begun atop reactor building #4 @ fukushima. Posted by: PissedOffAmerican | Sep 22 2013 20:53 utc | 82 79) Looks like Merkel will need a new coalition partner. Either Social Democrats or Greens will be part of the government. Posted by: somebody | Sep 22 2013 21:26 utc | 83 re Kenya. What is US/Israel stake here? If the past is anything to go by, US/Israel is supporting Al-Shabaab while trying to appear not to à la Libya, Syria…But I’m not seeing it. Anybody else? Posted by: ruralito | Sep 22 2013 22:30 utc | 84 Remind us again how horrible the Russians are for banning US adoptions… Posted by: guest77 | Sep 22 2013 22:49 utc | 85 I mean US/Israel/EU, roughly, the Reptilian Order. We know statecraft, for them, are variations on plato o plomo. But how does this work in re Kenya? Posted by: ruralito | Sep 22 2013 22:53 utc | 86 @84 It probably goes back to Operation Provide Relief in 1992. That was basically a play for the Horn of Africa. Posted by: dh | Sep 22 2013 22:58 utc | 87 While the rest of the billion grind it out under austerity, recession, and decline: Posted by: guest77 | Sep 22 2013 23:04 utc | 88 @CTuttle#31:
Posted by: Rusty Pipes | Sep 22 2013 23:27 utc | 89 “We know very well that Bashar wanted to play the Christian card, and he still does.” Posted by: guest77 | Sep 23 2013 0:00 utc | 90 Now Wikipedia can do what it took 12 FBI agents writing unattributed smear letters to do – amplify divisions in the anti-war movement: Posted by: guest77 | Sep 23 2013 0:24 utc | 91 @84, I get that. But Uhuru Kenyatta is America’s boy in Africa, unlike Ghadaffi or Assad in their respective countries. This puts al-Shabaab in a different light than the one on the rent-a-jihad that assaulted Libya or Syria. I’m asking is there a fundamental difference between the two Islamist groups: one that does the work of the Saudis, Qataris and others, and one that…I don’t know how to describe it, grassroots, quasi-proletarian? But from the list @81 it looks like more foreign jihadis brow-beaten by their imams to join the war like they did Libya and Syria. Posted by: ruralito | Sep 23 2013 1:23 utc | 92 92) If he is America’s boy Western media has a strange way to show it.
The media uses the label Al-Shahab so they do not have to say Al Qaida. Al Qaida is simply a way to organize and donate for issues some people care about. There is no way anybody can “control” it, though secret services and state actors can infiltrate and use the system. Posted by: somebody | Sep 23 2013 4:57 utc | 93 Council on Foreign Relations – Al Shahab
Posted by: somebody | Sep 23 2013 5:17 utc | 94 There is also the case of the Woolwich murder in London – and the way MI5/6 uses immigrant youth and their families. Posted by: somebody | Sep 23 2013 5:39 utc | 95 The Woolwich murderer was arrested in Kenya by British forces, tortured, and returned free to the UK. Presumably they considered him “turned”. Posted by: somebody | Sep 23 2013 5:43 utc | 96 73) To explain German politics, the headlines “Merkel’s victory” are misleading as this time again, there is a majority of Social Democrats, Die Linke and Greens. For lots of historical and competitive reasons Social Democrats exclude a coalition with Die Linke. Merkel has to govern with this potential majority in mind. Merkel’s “win” presumably were mostly votes that used to go to her coalition partner, the FDP. Posted by: somebody | Sep 23 2013 7:45 utc | 97 @93, America’s boy, is perhaps too strong, but Obama called Kenyatta recently to “express his support”. Something he never did for those Brutal Tyrants ™ Gadaffi and Assad. It seems the symbiosis between the US Dept of State and jihad varies from hands off to full support. Posted by: ruralito | Sep 23 2013 17:00 utc | 98 Woolwich murderer? I don’t get it he killed a soldier during war. If england doesn’t like having their soldiers killed in their country they shouldn’t be sending troops into other people’s countries to kill that nations soldiers. Posted by: Debs is dead | Sep 23 2013 21:40 utc | 99 have u heard yet ? Posted by: denk | Sep 24 2013 4:28 utc | 100 |
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