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September 05, 2013

Obama's (In-)Credibility Campaign

Remarks by the President to the White House Press Corps, Aug 20 2012
We have been very clear to the Assad regime, but also to other players on the ground, that a red line for us is we start seeing a whole bunch of chemical weapons moving around or being utilized. That would change my calculus. That would change my equation.
Obama says he didn’t draw the red line on Syria, world did, Sept 5 2013
Speaking at a press conference in Stockholm ahead of an economic summit in Russia, where he will seek support for a U.S. military strike against Syria, Obama said the “red line” he talked about a year ago against Syria’s use of chemical weapons wasn’t his but an international standard.

“I didn’t set a red line, the world set a red line,” Obama said.

“My credibility is not on the line. The international community’s credibility is on the line. And America and Congress’ credibility is on the line because we give lip service to the notion that these international norms are important.”

Obama is going into wild territory here. It IS his credibility that is on the line. Despite all Israeli fed propaganda against Syria I can not find one internet forum where his case for War On Syria has even slight support.

The President of Russian Federation Putin just called U.S. Secretary of State Kerry a liar. This because Kerry insisted, in contradiction to U.S. intelligence and recent news reports, that the al-Qaeda affiliated fighters in Syria are only a shrinking minority of the Syrian opposition.

Kerry asserted that the armed opposition to Syrian President Bashar al-Assad "has increasingly become more defined by its moderation, more defined by the breadth of its membership, and more defined by its adherence to some, you know, democratic process and to an all-inclusive, minority-protecting constitution.

"And the opposition is getting stronger by the day," Kerry told the Senate Foreign Relations Committee on Tuesday."

To this Putin responded:
Mr Putin said: "This was very unpleasant and surprising for me. We talk to them (the Americans) and we assume they are decent people, but he is lying and he knows that he is lying. This is sad."
That is in diplomatic settings an extremely strong, though surely calculated wording. It is also correct.

Should Obama and Kerry continue with their ridiculously, amateurish, it's all secret campaign they will lose any and all credibility not only on Syria but on any political issue they will in future touch on.

Posted by b on September 5, 2013 at 11:08 UTC | Permalink

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Israelis were very eager to fan the flames in Syria, stoke the fire, rush in with intelligence, the classified parts of which, apparently aren’t convincing enough for Congress by the looks of it, and God only knows what else Israeli operatives have been up to trying to keep the Syrian conflict alive? Zionists have allowed their desperation to get the better of them. Syria’s that all important domino that’s supposed to spill over into Lebanon and destroy Hezbollah, and that’s destabilizing the again “hostile” Iraq inching evermoreso towards Iran. Zionists believe that Syria is so hot, that Assad, Hezbollah and Iran won’t be able to resist retaliating against a U.S. strike. As a matter of fact, Zionists are praying for such an outcome so the U.S. can use every last weapon in its arsenal to raze all three and solve all of Zionism’s problems.

Zionists have turned Obama to mush. When Obama went to Israel he mouthed every Zionist platitude like the loyal sock puppet he is. The man no longer knows if he’s coming or going. To some who supported Obama he appears to have undergone some kind of identity crisis that subsequently spread to his supporters who ended up having to defend the indefensible at every turn. No one knows who this Obama is anymore, and what he stands for. His "righteousness" is selective and inconsistent. He sure isn’t the community organizer, or civil rights attorney or even Candidate Obama and he's definitely not a Nobel Prize Laureate. Is he Obama's evil twin or a phony - who is this Obama? Ever since Obama appeared in front of AIPAC just prior to his nomination he has gradually morphed and become unrecognizable perhaps even to himself.

What happened to Candidate Obama tells you how far Zionism/Zionists will go to get what they want but it’s looking like this time they went too far. AIPAC just can’t help itself; it can’t help pushing; and up to now it’s been a piece of cake, but this is different. It started with the Office of Special Plans, Wolfowitz and Feith huddling with Israelis to push the U.S. into Iraq, because Israel was paranoid about Saddam restarting his nuclear program. A connection had to be made between 9/11 and Iraq and then WMDs. But unfortunately for Zionists nothing went as planned. Iraq was a fiasco that blew up in their face, and Afghanistan although it helped to distract from the Peace Process, made Americans weary and wary of waging war. Zionists then viewed the Arab Spring as a HUGE opportunity where Syria was concerned. Funny how not much was happening there when Egypt was ablaze with Revolution. We should ask ourselves how a small suburb protest turned into a full-blown civil war, and who helped to stoke the fire? Israel has had operatives in Syria before anyone else. “Be careful what you wish for…” comes to mind. Could Syria be Zionism’s Waterloo?

So Assad was making headway and then apparently used CWs, cause he was winning... HUH? So now we have Aipac, ISRAEL’S AGENT, ZIONISM’S AGENT pushing for war and Americans pushing back. What Americans should realize is that their President is no longer who they think he is. Obama has been in AIPACs favor since that day he stood in front of AIPAC and sold his soul for the Presidency. But what Aipac didn’t count on is how much Republicans would love to tear him down. This time it's not Aipac that can return the Executive Branch to them; it's Obama! Aipac wants this war but Republicans want to bring Obama down MORE than they want this war.

Because the majority of Americans don’t want this war; this is a golden opportunity for Republicans, something Aipac never counted on.

Obama is AIPACs man, but he’s also a paper tiger; Republicans know this, and it looks like he’s about to be shredded not just in Congress, or by the American people but on a world stage as well. It looks like a perfect storm is headed his way. He’s got no credibility left because he sold his integrity to Zionism; that’s what Zionism does - it destroys integrity. Obama’s trying to sell Israel FIRST – Americans are not buying this time and Aipac is about to be betrayed by Republicans who can’t help but seize the moment before them.

One could state that the Occupation is the root of all evil. One could say, “it’s the Occupation, stupid.” But it’s what’s at the root of the Occupation–that’s the real evil–Zionism. Paranoia gave birth and Zionism was born. How can something born of FEAR ever grow to be healthy and good for humanity?

Aipac and Obama are desperados on the WRONG SIDE of public opinion. They both have everything at stake here, and their desperation may foolishly push them to the brink on the wrong side of history.

AIPAC or rather Zionism is starting to look like Obama’s downfall or is it the other way around? No wonder Netanyahu is keeping a low profile: Americans are coming too close to the truth.

Americans need to know: **No one wants war with Syria to happen more than Israel, and Israel knows Obama's Presidency is on the line and Israel's counting on Obama's desperation to make it happen. Everyone needs to ask themselves this question: How did Obama end up in this position?**

Will the American people finally prevail against Zionism?

Posted by: kalithea | Sep 6 2013 6:09 utc | 101

I noticed the "exact description" in the link I provided @ 97 could be nitpicked as well, but a pattern of behaviour is a pattern of behaviour and it still serves to inform us in the same way that the Pythagorean theorem can be used to demonstrate further mathematical proofs.

Obviously, if Obama has a scrap of credibility and the world set this "red line" as he is now claiming, then it certainly wouldn't tolerate anything like what the link suggests and must have been unanimous in punishing the US with limited missile strikes. This is academic. Now, all I have to do is to find the specific resolution on the UN website or news stories about the punitive actions undertaken by this collective "world" of which Obama speaks and we can clearly demonstrate that he's not talking out of his ass with all of this in order to distract us from talking about his expansion of NSA surveillance... which distracted us from his support of extrajudicial assassinations of US citizens... which distracted us from the coverup of the events at Benghazi... which distracted us from the abuses of the IRS under this administrations's direction... which distracted us from his lie about vetoing the indefinite detention provisions of the 2012 NDAA... which distracted us...

You know what? Screw it. I could do this all day. He has a Nobel Peace Prize and he's pro-gay marriage, so let's call it a wash and get back to fellating the guy.

Posted by: Monolycus | Sep 6 2013 6:28 utc | 102

Look like China makes his move as well

China Sends Warships To Syria, Joining Russian Warships In Mediterranean Sea.

The army of China on Thursday sent warships to the Syrian coast to observe the actions of U.S. vessels. UU. and Russia as tensions grow before a military attack against Syria. According to the Russian news website Telegrafist, the Chinese army sent Jinggangshan amphibious ship was seen sailing in the Red Sea to the Suez Canal.

Posted by: R.P | Sep 6 2013 6:45 utc | 103

101 :-)) more climbdown

Senate bill would give Syria 45 days to sign chemical weapons ban

The resolution would require the president to use the 45-day period to submit a Syria strategy to Congress. In the interim, he would be expected to use all diplomatic tools to build an international coalition for stopping the use and proliferation of chemical weapons in Syria.

A spokesperson for Heitkamp, one of several Democrats who got a Situation Room briefing on Syria from Vice President Joe Biden Thursday, said the resolution is still being developed.

"This is a draft proposal Sen. Heitkamp is working on to approach the very complex situation in Syria," the spokesperson said. "It is one idea that is still a work in progress."

Posted by: somebody | Sep 6 2013 7:36 utc | 104


Read the Huffpost interview with Chomsky and youll see what I mean.

Posted by: Anonymous | Sep 6 2013 7:55 utc | 105

Syrian american woman make a a good statement against McCain.

Posted by: Anonymous | Sep 6 2013 8:14 utc | 106

So..... I just don't get it.....

Obama didn't set that Red Line. The whole damn world set that Red Line, even though it was his lips that were moving.

So what does that make him, a ventriloquist's dummy? And if so then I shudder to think why "The World" has to insert its hand.

But let's accept that claim of his: HE didn't decide that this was a Red Line, The Whole Damn World did.

Well, Okay, if that's true then isn't The Whole Damn World responsible for deciding Assad's punishment for crossing that line?

It can't be OBAMA's responsibility to make that decision because - du'oh! Read. My. Lips. - OBAMA didn't set that Red Line.
It can't be OBAMA's credibility that is at stake because it's "The World" - not OBAMA - that put its credibility on the chopping block.

Honestly, is there something in the drinking water in Washington?

Obama insists that he needs to kill people because his credibility on the line for a comment that he now disowns.
Kerry is asking Congress for authority to wage Something That Can't Be A War because the Syrians can't shoot back.

What is this shit?

Posted by: Johnboy | Sep 6 2013 8:15 utc | 107

Sorry, not "why 'The World' has to insert its hand", but WHERE.

I guess the mental imagery upset me more than I ever suspected.

Posted by: Johnboy | Sep 6 2013 8:17 utc | 108

107) It can get worse. Desperation: Israel feels compelled to explain its thinking

But Mr. Obama’s limited strike proposal has one crucial foreign ally: Israel.

Israeli officials have consistently made the case that enforcing Mr. Obama’s narrow “red line” on Syria is essential to halting the nuclear ambitions of Israel’s archenemy, Iran. More quietly, Israelis have increasingly argued that the best outcome for Syria’s two-and-a-half-year-old civil war, at least for the moment, is no outcome.

For Jerusalem, the status quo, horrific as it may be from a humanitarian perspective, seems preferable to either a victory by Mr. Assad’s government and his Iranian backers or a strengthening of rebel groups, increasingly dominated by Sunni jihadis.

“This is a playoff situation in which you need both teams to lose, but at least you don’t want one to win — we’ll settle for a tie,” said Alon Pinkas, a former Israeli consul general in New York. “Let them both bleed, hemorrhage to death: that’s the strategic thinking here. As long as this lingers, there’s no real threat from Syria.”

The synergy between the Israeli and American positions, while not explicitly articulated by the leaders of either country, could be a critical source of support as Mr. Obama seeks Congressional approval for surgical strikes in Syria. Some Republicans have pushed him to intervene more assertively to tip the balance in the Syrian conflict, while other politicians from both parties are loath to involve the United States in another Middle Eastern conflict on any terms.

But Israel’s national security concerns have broad, bipartisan support in Washington, and the American Israel Public Affairs Committee, the influential pro-Israel lobby in Washington, weighed in Tuesday in support of Mr. Obama’s approach. The group’s statement said nothing, however, about the preferred outcome of the civil war, instead saying that America must “send a forceful message” to Iran and Hezbollah and “take a firm stand that the world’s most dangerous regimes cannot obtain and use the most dangerous weapons.”

After years of upheaval in the Middle East and tension between Mr. Obama and Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu of Israel, the two leaders are now largely in sync on how to handle not just Syria, but also Egypt. Mr. Obama has not withheld American aid to Egypt after the military-backed ouster of the elected Islamist government, while Israel strongly backs the Egyptian military as a source of stability.

On Syria, in fact, Israel pioneered the kind of limited strike Mr. Obama is now proposing: four times this year, it has bombed convoys of advanced weapons it suspected were being transferred to Hezbollah, the Lebanese Shiite militia that Israel considers a major threat.

It has otherwise been content to watch the current stalemate in Syria pull in what it considers a range of enemies: not only the Syrian Army and Iran, but also Hezbollah, which has thousands of fighters engaged on the battlefronts in Syria, and Sunni Islamists aligned against them.

Though Syria and Israel have technically been at war for more than 40 years, the conflict in Syria is now viewed mainly through the prism of Iran. A prolonged conflict is perceived as hurting Iran, which finances Mr. Assad’s war effort. Whether Mr. Obama follows through on his promise to retaliate for the use of chemical weapons is a test of his commitment, ultimately, to prevent an Iranian nuclear bomb — as long as the retaliation does not become a full-scale intervention in Syria.

“If it’s Iran-first policy, then any diversion to Syria is not fruitful,” said Aluf Benn, editor of the Israeli newspaper Haaretz. “From the Israeli point of view, the worst scenario is mission-creep in Syria and America gets entangled in a third war in the Middle East, which paralyzes its ability to strike Iran and limits Israel’s ability to strike Iran as well.”

This is not really what Kerry is saying is it.

Posted by: somebody | Sep 6 2013 9:29 utc | 109

Pres.Assad's adviser- "Victims kidnapped from Lattakia, ppl of Ghouta village say" #Syria "USA claima are lies" …....this is my view to s the children in the videos photos look like propaganda tools

also i throw down the gauntlet to AUS laboe party on eve of elections

Posted by: brian | Sep 6 2013 9:39 utc | 110

Zionism could be threatened in its existence in the Levante very soon! But i doubt zionism in the US will thereby be endangered! Those zionists are at the top of somany mass-media and major labels and can tip the political balance over and over again! On a sidenote:If the shit gets real in this region, chances are Israel will be seriously harmed.Israelis could flee to wherever many of them come from.
I agree when u say we could witness obamas AIPAC-Zionism collapse,not least because of the obvious lies, which "they" really thought a majority of ppl would fall for. But I do not buy this Rep. against Dems. stuff! It might be true at grassroot level.At the hearing of the Senate of foreign affairs, Rep Rand Paul could have destroyed Kerry just by applying common sense, or debunk that phony evidence! But he prefered to remember Kerry that Israel might be less safe after the limited attack. I think at high level, theyre all cuddly! Nonetheless: I believe, we are in an extraordinary situation which could trigger the beginning of the end of times! I am not being religious here! In my oppinion Putin has some very good evidence! Kerry has nothing! Putin knows! Kerry too! The US intelligence seem to have overlooked something, which must not imperatively be linked to that "Assad using CW ag. his people lie". I think the US is gonna pull out, on september 9th the house of congress gonna vote no, and Obumma wil save his face!

Posted by: Kal | Sep 6 2013 9:41 utc | 111

109) She has to do more than just say so. She has do document it - fast. We need the names, the relatives, the witnesses.

Posted by: somebody | Sep 6 2013 9:56 utc | 112

Just in case you thought the media were adults, this is top billing on Google News right now.

Russia denies calling Britain a little island no one cares about - ‎1 hour ago‎
Dmitry Peskov was reported to have made the comments in a briefing with Russian journalists at the G20 summit in St. Petersburg on Thursday night.

Posted by: guest77 | Sep 6 2013 10:52 utc | 113

111 :-)) comic relief

Mc Cain is having very bad photo ops

Posted by: somebody | Sep 6 2013 11:22 utc | 114

@kalithea | Sep 6, 2013 2:09:37 AM | 100

Truly brilliant comment , thanks.
May be unrelated , but this comes to my mind :
From 'EMPTY ' '

""This is what they do while deciding to take actions that kill millions of innocent women, men, and children and demolish entire nations:

It makes one truly sick.

“When we will to annihilate a community, we install upon them corrupt leaders and present our just ultimatum to them; when they insisted on their corruption and became deserving of punishment, then we annihilate them.” [Translation/interpretation; Quran, Chapter 17 (Children of Israel), verse 16]""

Posted by: Sufi | Sep 6 2013 11:35 utc | 115

New details about the scope of a potential US missile attack in Syria
ABC News transcript, Sep 5 2013

The world was watching today as two rivals came face to face, Pres Obama and Vladimir Putin of Russia. The question was looming: what will Russia do if the US launches a military attack on Syria? Tonight ABC News is learning that attack could be a lot bigger than we thought. ABC's chief white house correspondent Jonathan Karl is with the president tonight on the ground in Russia.

Reporter: Pres Obama's first encounter here with Vladimir Putin lasted a scant 17 seconds. Smiles aside, the White House sees zero chance of changing Russia's staunch opposition to attacking Syria. Later, Mr Obama headed to a dinner of world leaders nearly an hour late, leaving him to take a long walk alone with leaders who will not take part on a military attack on Syria. Alone or not, ABC News has learned the president's national security team is preparing for a significantly larger military attack than most had anticipated. The air campaign which is expected to last at least two days will potentially include an aerial bombardment of missiles fired from B-2 and B-52 bombers flying from the US. That in addition to a relentless assault from Tomahawk missiles, those ships ever loaded with nearly 200 missiles. Plans call for firing the vast majority of them. As one senior national security official told ABC News, this military attack could do more damage to Assad's forces in 48 hours than the Syrian rebels have done in nearly two years of civil war. That's more than President Obama seemed to be suggesting just days ago: "What we are envisioning is something limited, we send a shot across the bow saying, stop doing this."

Posted by: Rowan Berkeley | Sep 6 2013 11:52 utc | 116

103 might be brilliant for Assad. A big photo op of him as president of Syria signing an international treaty he denounces the western interference and he goes on wiping out al qaeda.

Posted by: guest77 | Sep 6 2013 11:54 utc | 117

I cant find a single story online with more than even a few pro war comments. It is heartening.

Posted by: guest77 | Sep 6 2013 11:56 utc | 118


The US is struggling for survival in a world which is increasingly rejecting its modus operandi. The US, however, will fight to the death to maintain its military superiority so as to maintain its dollars position. The two go hand in hand and largely explain all the movements on the chessboard. If the dollar fails or is curtailed, the US will no longer be able to print its consumption trajectory.

The question is whether China and Russia can stand up to this behavior. In all honesty, I believe they are seething with rage but scared of the ramifications of doing so.

Perhaps a truly out of control Fukushima might make everyone realize that there are weapons of mass destruction which threaten all of us collectively.

Posted by: Cynthia | Sep 6 2013 12:35 utc | 119

119) China can simply throw all those US bonds on the market - and invest their money somewhere else if they get really annoyed. They will not do it because they would be part of the ensuing crisis. There are still many creative ways other than buying bonds they can find to use their Dollar income for if they chose to.

Posted by: somebody | Sep 6 2013 12:46 utc | 120

EU is out,France is isolated

The clearest blow to U.S. coalition-building at the summit came from the leaders of the E.U. In a briefing on Thursday afternoon, European Commission President José Manuel Barroso said the Syrian conflict was a “stain on the world’s conscience,” but stressed that the E.U. believes in a “political solution” to the crisis. Standing beside him, E.U. President Herman van Rompuy drove this point home. “There is no military solution to the Syrian conflict. Only a political solution can end the terrible bloodshed,” he said. Of all E.U. members, he added, “only France is ready to cooperate” with the U.S. on a military strike. So Europe’s joint statement at the G-20 would urge the U.N. Security Council to deal with the crisis politically, he said, echoing a point that Putin has long been making. (The U.S. insists that its proposed military action is not aimed at ending the war, but, rather, aimed at undermining Assad’s ability to deploy chemical weapons.)

Posted by: somebody | Sep 6 2013 13:12 utc | 121

If Obama and AIPAC get us into a large scale war with many US casualties, the resulting public opinion backlash could finally cut AIPAC and the Israel lobby down to size.

Posted by: Andoheb | Sep 6 2013 13:14 utc | 122

119) China can simply throw all those US bonds on the market - Posted by: somebody | Sep 6, 2013 8:46:55 AM | 120
I've been saying that for 10 years. There is a racket, obviously. There's an enormous black market in renmimbi, because China is one of the few countries that can get away with having one currency for international trade and another for the internal everyday use of its citizens. If you can delink the two, you're no longer worried by the effects of international trading in your currency upon your internal money supply and consequently on your internal price levels. But the black market in renmimbi (the internal currency) leads to certain no-good speculatin' bastards in the West being able to get their greedy paws upon great stacks of renmimbi, which they then use to play China's incredibly unstable property market. And all this, I suspect, is conducted under the cover of Sheldon Adelson's Sands Macao Casino. Not only that, but through Birthright Israel, the Bronfman black money vehicle, Adelson is able to feed millions into the worthy zionist enterprise, so who knows but that at least some of the black market renmimbis end up in Tel Aviv.

Posted by: Rowan Berkeley | Sep 6 2013 13:18 utc | 123


I like to think that my mind is open enough to consider every angle, but I cannot come up with anything that even comes close to Obama's assessment of the situation in Syria. In the simplest terms, all of this is about money and power. US and Russian interests in this regard (oil and natural gas pipelines, nuclear energy, infrastructure, etc.) are in direct opposition to each other.

In addition, the BRICS are now moving away from the dollar all together. The dollar has only held on as long as it has due to its link to oil. It's called the petro-dollar because until recently, you had to pay for oil in dollars. That control has been slipping away, and the US's only option has been, using its military, to destabilize the Middle East by removing regimes which have or would have sided with the BRICS over the US. Syria and Iran are the last two.

Chaos is the goal. All the US needs is to prevent the ruling regimes and resources of these countries from going with the BRICS. It's much easier to simply plunge them (and indeed the entire Middle East) into chaos, than to invade and attempt to hold military control over all of these countries.

So that's the gist of it, the US benefits from chaos in the Middle East, while Russia and the other BRICS benefit from order and stability. How could the interests of these two countries possibly coincide?

Posted by: Cynthia | Sep 6 2013 13:19 utc | 124


You Think the chinese economy would appreciate cutting those bonds?

Posted by: Anonymous | Sep 6 2013 13:55 utc | 125

US Hits Back at Putin 'Liar' Comment About Jackass
Matthew Lee, AP, Sep 5 2013

The State Dept is hitting back at what it calls false accusations that Putin made about Jackass Kerry. Putin accuses Jackass of lying about the extent of AQ in Syria. State Dept spokeswoman Jen Psaki says Jackass is a decorated combat veteran of the Vietnam war and has had more than words aimed at him. Psaki says Jackass is not losing sleep because of Putin's quote preposterous comment that was based on an inaccurate rendering of what Jackass said. Putin said Wednesday that Jackass lied about AQ in Syria after Jackass told Congress the Syrian opposition was becoming more moderate.

Posted by: Rowan Berkeley | Sep 6 2013 14:03 utc | 126

interesting: the old sociopathic maxim: the enemy of my enemy s my friend.
'Dugin: It started with the second Chechen war (1999-2009). Russia by that time was under pressure by Chechen terrorist attacks and the possible separatism of the northern Caucasus. Putin had to realize all the west, the USA and the European Union took side for the Chechen separatists and Islamic terrorists fighting against the Russian army. This is the same plot we witness today in Syria or yesterday in Libya. The West gave the Chechen guerrilla support, and this was the moment of revelation of the new conflict between land power and sea power. With Putin, land power reaffirmed itself. '

Dugin: Exactly. Maybe it is even the final one, because now all is at stake. If Washington doesn´t intervene and accept the position of Russia and China, this would be the end of the USA as a kind of candidate of a unique and super power. This is the reason why I think Obama will go far in Syria. But if Russia steps aside and accepts the US-American intervention and if Moscow eventually betrays Bachar al-Assad, this would mean immediately a very hard blow to the Russian political identity. This would signify the great defeat of the land power. After this the attack on Iran would follow and also on northern Caucasus. Among the separatist powers in northern Caucasus there are many individuals who are supported by the Anglo-American, Israeli and Saudi powers. If Syria falls, they will start immediately the war in Russia, our country. Meaning: Putin cannot step aside; he cannot give up Assad, because this would mean the geopolitical suicide of Russia. Maybe we are right now in the major crisis of modern geopolitical history.

Posted by: brian | Sep 6 2013 14:05 utc | 127

124) Does denying yourself and others access make any sense? I mean, if you cannot live in the castle at least you can burn it down?

Posted by: somebody | Sep 6 2013 14:16 utc | 128

Cynthia @124

Many commentators believe that the decision making of US policy elites is due to economic determinism. That it's about the oil. The reality is quite different. Take Iraq as an example. The US did not receive any economic advantage. Only a $trillion bill. They did not obtain any large oil contracts.

What many don't get is that the US policy elites are actually rather dumb. What experience does the "community organizer" have except for soaring rhetoric spouted off a teleprompter and running an election campaign. He is a weak narcissist. Additionally, US elites exhibit massive hubris borne from a "messianism" as Col. Pat Lang describes it. The American people themselves are also becoming more dumb when it comes to world affairs and their own best interests. The US is living of it's seed corn. Europe & Japan were destroyed after WW II. The US with two large oceans protecting it was left standing with all it's industrial capacity. They have now shipped that capacity overseas to Asia to enjoy a much higher standard of living than what their productivity actually is.

Due to their economic and political foolishness in some decades in the future they will have to get used to the fact that their influence has waned and their military substantially weakened that they no longer can act with impunity.

Posted by: ab initio | Sep 6 2013 14:18 utc | 129

the US cause for war: GHOUTA: '90% of the "victims" in the video footage - children.'
most likely kidnapped and cynically use by US regime as a cause for war.

Moscow believes that the situation in Syria is so serious that the international community should build their actions on the basis of reliable information, not just one-sided conclusions. This message appeared on the website of the Russian Foreign Ministry after the prioress of the monastery of St. James (Kara, Syria) Agnes Mariam Al-Saliba said his information about himatake correspondent channel "Rusia al-Yaum" (Arabic version of RT)
The nun is convinced that the chemical attack in Syria - it is a provocation. According to her, shocking video footage were taken in advance to provide the necessary background information. Mother Agnes said that the media started giving materials about the tragedy early in the morning of 21 August, and chemical attack occurred late at night. "How can you shoot in that time dozens of materials to move more than 300 young people and 200 children in one place, to render first aid, interview? 90% of the "victims" in the video footage - children. Agnes Mariam Al-Saliba is wondering where their parents are, where they all brought and what is their destiny, "- said in a statement on the Foreign Ministry website.
The Prioress is confident that these facts are not of interest to the western regional and biased media. According to her, many publications and TV stations are commissioned by certain circles and report incorrect information, turning a blind eye to the tragedy near Latakia. There's the beginning of August, Islamist extremists have staged a massacre. The victims of the massacre were about 500 people, many of them women, children and the elderly. The terrorists killed, raped, beheaded their victims.
Nun intends to give its report of an independent commission to investigate human rights violations in Syria.
The Russian Foreign Ministry said that the international community should take these facts into account and build their actions on the basis of complete and reliable information, not only "on the one-sided and unconvincing versions promoted by the U.S. and other countries."
Recall that on 21 August the TV channel "Al Arabiya" accused the Syrian government of using chemical weapons in the near Damascus. The U.S. authorities have declared their readiness to start intervention in Syria soon.

Posted by: brian | Sep 6 2013 14:20 utc | 130

125/ no, I said so. But if they really feel like it they can, it is same principle as 128. The world either decides to go into win/win mode or lose/lose. There is no win/lose any more. Asymetric warfare is simple, efficient and cheap.
127) yeah it is interesting. However, I think we should insist that our well paid politicians do not get into these silly situations. I mean you can simulate a war nowadays on any cheap computer, you do not have to fight it out to see the results.

Posted by: somebody | Sep 6 2013 14:37 utc | 131

Cynthia @ 124 "How could the interests of these two countries possibly coincide?"

Guess we're about to find out. Great post C.

And we're all about to find out exactly how much power the giant energy corporations have.
Most of the world is against a US attack on Syria, but the energy corps. want what the mid-east regions have, so we'll see. I fully expect the congress of the US to approve this strike, despite the latest polls saying no. I also expect the ongoing G-20 talks to convince Russia and China that regime change is also in their best interests. In the end, Assad is toast. We'll see. Gee, I sure long to see the US get a well-deserved black-eye over this Syrian thing, Hope the Russians and Chineese have the balls to resist big money.

Posted by: ben | Sep 6 2013 14:44 utc | 132

Re : 131

This is the problem when the completely clueless actually think they know stuff.

You do realise that computers are programmed by humans right?

Computers only what they are told to do, you know that, right?

I'm no computer expert, but clearly neither are you. A war simulation is merely a set of assumptions, decided on in advance by a human

Posted by: hmm | Sep 6 2013 14:44 utc | 133

WebsterGTarpley ‏@WebsterGTarpley 3m
#Putin warns US: If #Syria is attacked, #Russia WILL HELP #Damascus and is helping already!-Attack incalculable folly, VOTE NO, FILIBUSTER

Posted by: brian | Sep 6 2013 15:02 utc | 134

West's wars of choice target the weak
By Dan Glazebrook

""...As Tory MP Sarah Wollaston put it during the debate,
The country is almost unanimously opposed to unilateral Western military intervention. That is not because we are a nation of appeasers and apologists; it is because the nation rightly has weighed up the risks of such action exploding into a wider military conflict with hundreds of thousands more deaths.
This does not mean that MPs are listening to public opinion; merely that both are following the same logic - don't attack the strong. Not that this means that an attack will not take place, or that Britain will not be involved - regardless of parliament's well-founded fears of serious military resistance. The Great Recession facing the global capitalist system today is pushing inexorably towards major war in just the same way as the Great Depressions of 1873-96 and 1929-39 were pushing towards war, and for the same reason; the need to destroy surplus capital and pave the way for a new round of profitable investment.

Likewise, the crisis of Western hegemony - the imminent prospect of an end to 500 years of Western military preponderance in the face of a
resurgent global South - is leaving "the West" with ever fewer options other than the obliteration of all independent regional powers in order to preserve its dominance.

There is indeed a "red line" in Syria, but it has nothing to do with chemical weapons. The real red line is the prospect of a victory for the Syrian government. This is the scenario the Franco-Anglo-Saxons will not tolerate without throwing everything they have into the fight. What they have tried so far has failed. This is why now, at last, they are seriously contemplating an air campaign.

Posted by: Sufi | Sep 6 2013 15:41 utc | 135

The Great Recession facing the global capitalist system today is pushing inexorably towards major war in just the same way as the Great Depressions of 1873-96 and 1929-39 were pushing towards war, and for the same reason; the need to destroy surplus capital and pave the way for a new round of profitable investment.
Now that's what I like to hear. You may be a Sufi, or you may be a Marxist, but you've grasped Marx's Law of the Long-term Tendency of the Rate of Profit to Fall. Congratulations!

Posted by: Rowan Berkeley | Sep 6 2013 17:12 utc | 136

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