The current Most Popular list on ForeignPolicy.com is quite revealing:

Note especially No. 4.
Whoever has the illusion that this will end with now seemingly imminent "limited strikes" needs to consult a psychiatrist.
(h/t billmon)
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August 28, 2013
Syria: The “Most Popular” List
The current Most Popular list on ForeignPolicy.com is quite revealing:
Note especially No. 4. Whoever has the illusion that this will end with now seemingly imminent "limited strikes" needs to consult a psychiatrist. (h/t billmon)
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$4 is a reference to another Iraq: Bill Clinton’s excellent bombing adventures in Iraq that nobody remembers. The author is a partisan hack: if a Democrat starts a global genocide, he’d be gleefully screaming how wonderfully justified it is. Posted by: a different anon | Aug 28 2013 4:58 utc | 1 1) The striking thing is that they are proud on “repeating” stuff, meaning they did not learn. Posted by: somebody | Aug 28 2013 5:09 utc | 2 well, the proof does not really sound like proof and might actually prove just the contrary. Posted by: somebody | Aug 28 2013 5:25 utc | 3 The Israeli claim about “intercepted calls about CW” is bogus, It is however difficult to say whether it was the Israelis or the FSA in Syria who provided the falsified information. Posted by: Petri Krohn | Aug 28 2013 5:38 utc | 4 From Pepe Escobar on Facebook: Posted by: Petri Krohn | Aug 28 2013 6:12 utc | 5 Why do I smell BS here..So the US gives Syria the date/time they’ll be attacking. If this isn’t a massive psychological warfare BS, I don’t know what is.. Posted by: Zico | Aug 28 2013 6:22 utc | 6 Like we all knew, the Israeli made recording is the biggest “evidence”. Posted by: Anonymous | Aug 28 2013 6:34 utc | 7 Petri @5 It just doesn’t make sense, as I wrote on Pepe’s wall, why would Bandar Bush allow Sisi to stop UK/US warships from transiting the Suez, when Bandar wants to see Assad gone…? #4 Posted by: peter radiator | Aug 28 2013 6:40 utc | 9 Actually if true, which nothing points at, it actually exclude the Syrian army since they on the recording apparently ask ‘who did this!’. Posted by: Anonymous | Aug 28 2013 6:56 utc | 10 6) Agree, the assumption is Assad will fold. They are talking themselves into such a corner though that they will have to act if he does not fold. Posted by: somebody | Aug 28 2013 6:57 utc | 11 #11 Posted by: peter radiator | Aug 28 2013 7:02 utc | 12 It was good that Zeroehdge had an article reminding the Wikileaks cable released on Syria where most of what was planned is exposed. To see the bigger picture, one should remember that is expressely stated that it was after the withdrawal from Iraq that this would be the next step to take. Posted by: Mina | Aug 28 2013 7:20 utc | 13 On CW, a reader from the Angry Arab blog has this suggestion Posted by: Mina | Aug 28 2013 7:32 utc | 14 12) Gulf Prince Plays Deadly Regional Game
Presumably the Syrian army has been winning too much recently. Posted by: somebody | Aug 28 2013 7:35 utc | 15 Oh F*ck, here we go again… Activists: Assad bombs Damascus in renewed chemical attack, injuring 20 I don’t know if you’ve seen this piece on 4th Media: Posted by: William Bowles | Aug 28 2013 8:41 utc | 17 @ 12 Posted by: R.P | Aug 28 2013 8:50 utc | 18 evidence of who did th CW attacks and yes its the insurgents Posted by: brian | Aug 28 2013 9:18 utc | 19 ful podcast Posted by: brian | Aug 28 2013 9:40 utc | 20 19) yep, she describes the narrative of the Syrian government, and talks of the satellite photos Russia supplied, you can google Ayssar Midani on the internet – she is no opposition activist.
But the US/Britain are going to war on dubious Israeli intercepts. Western media is a joke. Posted by: somebody | Aug 28 2013 9:48 utc | 21 @#20: Posted by: William Bowles | Aug 28 2013 9:51 utc | 22 James Corbett interviews Ayssar Midani, Aug 27 (28 mins): This is out from behind the paywall, and I’ve watched it now. It isn’t on YouTube yet. But in fact it does not contain anything radically new. She names the local Jabhat al-Nusra commander, Sheikh Zahran Abdullah Alloush, as having ordered the firing of the two rockets with chemical warheads. In fact, Alloush is the commander of the Liwa al-Islam Brigade, based in Duma. He is a well-known and documented figure. She says the satellite imagery actually shows the rockets being fired, travelling and reaching their targets, and that it has been given by Vitaly Churkin to the UNSC. She does not say whether satellite telephone communications from or to Alloush substantiating the claim were intercepted. The video evidence (and audio evidence, if there is any) has not been released publicly, and this is a typically Russian authoritarian mistake. They will not comprehend the fact that the world public has to be treated as an equal interlocutor in emergencies, not an object to be manipulated by competing rulers. There is nothing else of importance in this video, though of course it is all very interesting. Posted by: Rowan Berkeley | Aug 28 2013 9:52 utc | 23 Sickos in the UK government really think anyone would accept their proposed resolution, just take this quote: Posted by: Anonymous | Aug 28 2013 9:57 utc | 24 well , it is simple , USA find an opportunity to finish of one of the remaining countries who standing against his NEW WORLD ORDER …. so he will use it … they won’t loss this opportunity …. Posted by: R.P | Aug 28 2013 10:04 utc | 25 Stratfor is hedging its bets and in no uncertain terms. This from their email shot:
I think it reveals a very deep divide in the US elite over the best course of action to take. The false flag gas attack looks like it’s unravelling at a fast rate of knots. It’s imperative to get out as much info as possible! Damn the Russians and their authoritarian actions. Posted by: William Bowles | Aug 28 2013 10:58 utc | 26 Even if actor x used chemical weapons what right does US have to attack Syria? None its just a made up rule by the US. Obama killed 1000s with drones, does that mean rest of the world could attack the US? Posted by: Anonymous | Aug 28 2013 11:07 utc | 27 26) yep, sounds like some are stepping back from the bring
Posted by: somebody | Aug 28 2013 11:14 utc | 28 The “evidence” come from Israel, the same regime that fabricated that Iraq had WMD. Posted by: Anonymous | Aug 28 2013 11:17 utc | 29 @#29
Put this together with the fact that the US tried to get the UNSC to halt the investigation and the Russian satellite data and other sources mentioned here, and we can see the plot unraveling. Posted by: William Bowles | Aug 28 2013 11:26 utc | 30 @22 this writer has details Posted by: bangkokian | Aug 28 2013 11:26 utc | 31
The parking lot???!? Puh leeze… Posted by: Rowan Berkeley | Aug 28 2013 11:33 utc | 32 William Bowles Posted by: Anonymous | Aug 28 2013 11:41 utc | 33 The SNC seems to have an inexorable penchant for exaggeration:
James Corbett’s interviewee nailed it down at just two. Posted by: Rowan Berkeley | Aug 28 2013 11:53 utc | 34 Hah, even Fox own expert commentators are as doubting as we are here. Must see video below. Posted by: Anonymous | Aug 28 2013 12:20 utc | 35 The narrative is shifting towards UNSC resolution.. Now, pay attention folks, this is where Obama climbs down and conveniently blames Putin for allowing the massacre of “activists” bla bla bla…Expect a massive propaganda campaign against Russia from next week onwards. Posted by: Zico | Aug 28 2013 13:03 utc | 36 That limited strike sounds like: “Ok guys, the pain will be short and sweet. So you wont retaliate, don’t you? Posted by: Gregg | Aug 28 2013 13:22 utc | 37 @#16 Posted by: William Bowles | Aug 28 2013 13:22 utc | 38 35) they are pretty good actually Posted by: somebody | Aug 28 2013 13:29 utc | 39 Former United Nations Criminal Court prosecutor Carla del Ponte (no friend of mine, yet notable as a person with the eye of a criminal prosecutor, from her Yugoslavia exploits) is saying her reading of the evidence leads her to believe that it was the rebel paramilitaries who used chemical weapons in Al-Ghouta on 21 Aug 2013 and that the chemical was sarin. http://www.itar-tass.com/en/c53/855575.html , http://de.ria.ru/politics/20130828/266754176.html , http://guardianlv.com/2013/08/syrian-chemical-weapons-attack-carried-out-by-rebels-says-un/ Quote from somewhere on the Internet: “Sellstrom and the UN chemical weapons investigators in Syria cannot explicitly determine whether the Assad regime or the rebels conducted the attack, but can release information that would strongly implicate one party or the other, allowing U.N. Secretary General Ban Ki-moon to make the actual accusation.” Sisi closes the suze canal against american warships headed for syria Posted by: skybox | Aug 28 2013 13:44 utc | 42 David Cameron, 27 Aug 2013, on the evidence of who used chemical weapons in Al-Ghouta: “There is never 100% certainty, there’s never one piece or several pieces of intelligence that can give you absolute certainty.” (ref) Anonymous@ #33:
It’s all too convenient and we had wait almost a week before this emerged. Posted by: William Bowles | Aug 28 2013 13:54 utc | 44 US Vice President Joe Biden has declared yesterday: “There is no doubt who was responsible for this heinous use of chemical weapons in Syria: the Syrian regime”. William Bowles Posted by: Anonymous | Aug 28 2013 14:04 utc | 46 Adults will soon take over the situation.
The US has lost control of Ban — that’s key. I haven’t seen any other references to Egypt closing the Suez Canal to US/UK warships. At least Al Ahram English makes no mention though it states clearly that the Egyptian military government is very much against any foreign intervention and the Egyptian press seems to have turned very pro Assad and very pro SAA in recent weeks. Posted by: Lysander | Aug 28 2013 14:15 utc | 48 I am getting a bit worried that Russia/China wouldnt use their veto but actually just abstain from voting just like Libya resolution. Posted by: Anonymous | Aug 28 2013 14:17 utc | 49 Tip of the hat to brian @ 19&20. Thanks for the links. Opposition and evidence is building pointing to the “rebels”, hope it works. Posted by: ben | Aug 28 2013 14:29 utc | 52 While you never can be sure, Russia has every incentive to block any anti-Syrian UNSC resolution. Russian domestic opinion, rise of Jihadists, US/NATO expansionism, the embarrassment of appearing to abandon an ally, and the near certainty that any intervention will go wrong and they will not wish to be associated with it. Posted by: Lysander | Aug 28 2013 14:30 utc | 53 Don Bacon Posted by: Anonymous | Aug 28 2013 14:31 utc | 54 @ Don Bacon | 47 Posted by: Harry | Aug 28 2013 14:42 utc | 55 For Russia it’s not only their inherent significant interests in Syria, it’s also regional strategic geopolitics. Imagine what might happen –> Russia puts down the US on this issue and gains status as the primary external power in the Middle East. Game, set and match to mother Russia. Bad for Saudi Arabia, too. When we’ll get a Syrian villains deck of cards? Posted by: Boredpokerplayer | Aug 28 2013 14:52 utc | 57 This is rich, from LWJ–
The Pentagon is leaking all this “national security” information — worse than Mannning/Snowden.
@58 The administrator is correct. But a little premature. The jihadis turn will come. Posted by: dh | Aug 28 2013 15:02 utc | 61 Anonymous @#46
Pretty definitive, I would have thought, to check, there must a shitload of satellites looking down. Posted by: William Bowles | Aug 28 2013 15:04 utc | 62 60) no, they are attempting an attack without retaliation – convince Syria, Iran, Hezbollah that they are better off just absorbing the strikes instead of walking into escalation and losing even more assets. Posted by: somebody | Aug 28 2013 15:18 utc | 64 Don Bacon #47 said “The US has lost control of Ban — that’s key.”
The real problem: What anyone can see in the Western mass media today is: very little or no doubting that the 21 Aug 2013 chemical attack was committed by the government side, very little or no calls for better evidence that it was indeed the government side who did it, very little or no reminders that the rebel side had the ability and willfullness to do the attack. Assad, steady under fire: Posted by: ruralito | Aug 28 2013 15:27 utc | 66 Where are obama these days anyway, hes a afraid that his dove-image would be destroyed if he came out as the warmonger he is? Posted by: Anonymous | Aug 28 2013 15:30 utc | 67 I’m with Don Bacon concerning Russia. Posted by: Mr. Pragma | Aug 28 2013 15:33 utc | 68 66) more logic Posted by: somebody | Aug 28 2013 15:34 utc | 69 @Parviziyi #65 Here’s what General Dempsey probably sees, taken from Information Dissemination.
Well , If Assad show a good and strong response against Zionists previous attacks , he wouldn’t face such awful situation … Posted by: R.P | Aug 28 2013 15:51 utc | 72 @ Don 63
Good map Here is one showing not only US but French and British military deployments are well. I think from available data the deployments include: Posted by: Colm O’ Toole | Aug 28 2013 15:53 utc | 73 No support from NATO for a military strike and no chemical charges against Syria.
Well , both China and Russia leave the UN summit … that mean YES to attack to Syria … Posted by: R.P | Aug 28 2013 15:59 utc | 75 I cant believe it, but like I still thought, Russia and China once again show they are as complicit in this war as west. Shame on Russia and China! Posted by: Anonymous | Aug 28 2013 16:03 utc | 76 sorry , I just mean UNSC summit … Posted by: R.P | Aug 28 2013 16:04 utc | 77 @ R.P | 72 Posted by: Harry | Aug 28 2013 16:04 utc | 78 Another sign of US slippage.
I can tell you where Israel’s Channel 2 got all that: DEBKAfile. Posted by: Rowan Berkeley | Aug 28 2013 16:06 utc | 80 Mr. P., Posted by: Ozawa | Aug 28 2013 16:07 utc | 81 RT has live updates here, including:
@ Harry – 78 Posted by: R.P | Aug 28 2013 16:14 utc | 83 So if the information is correct that Russia and China walked away… The syrian war is a reality and the west could create a resolution in any way they want, most of all, it wont be called “illegal.” Posted by: Anonymous | Aug 28 2013 16:17 utc | 84 @ 81 Posted by: R.P | Aug 28 2013 16:20 utc | 85 This proves that the chinese and russian policy in syria is as bad as the west, for over 2 years they have been blocking resolutions, today they dont even use their veto and drop their policy before the goal line. Why? Posted by: Anonymous | Aug 28 2013 16:22 utc | 86 re 82 etc Don. I think you could be right. The US and UK could have difficulty pinning down the UN or any other sort of mandate for action. Posted by: alexno | Aug 28 2013 16:26 utc | 87 It’s been documented that US military activities inspire terrorists to attack the west. And now the possibility of a fresh US attack on an Arab country is mobilizing the opposition.
Russian RIA RU report the same, that russians walked out, however I might missunderstand but this meeting could just have been a meeting on creating a resolution, not actually voting on it. My bad if this is correct. Posted by: Anonymous | Aug 28 2013 16:34 utc | 89 Continuing “loose lips” at the Pentagon — interesting. Like, why don’t they just do it.
Israel, for one, must be wondering the same thing. This may revolutionize warfare. First describe what you’re going to do, and then see what people say about it. well , I reading this blog from ” Qaher 313 ” article and posted some of my opinion as ” A Person ” …. Posted by: R.P | Aug 28 2013 16:38 utc | 92 The fix is in. This from the RT’s live update page:
It dovetails perfectly with the Mossad plant. Posted by: William Bowles | Aug 28 2013 16:41 utc | 93 @Mr Pragma Posted by: Luca K | Aug 28 2013 16:45 utc | 94 @ 93 Posted by: Lysander | Aug 28 2013 16:51 utc | 95 @Mr. Pragma Posted by: Luca K | Aug 28 2013 16:54 utc | 96 @ Luca K #94 We should be on alert for Jihad in Chechen …. for sure Salafi/Wahhabi/Takfirs so called Jihadis will enjoy raping Russian girls and women ( well , Chechenis girl were favorites of so called Jihadis in Syria …. ) … Posted by: R.P | Aug 28 2013 17:03 utc | 98 The US is a third-world country, yet has the most military clout. Plus, it has been involved for a long time now in manipulating, controlling, scamming, etc. the world financial system, which it can do because of its military / diplo / etc. grasp and threat. To maintain that status it has to react willy-nilly to at least some world events (not Mali for ex.) even if only with words, but ultimately showing some muscle is mandatory. Posted by: Noirette | Aug 28 2013 17:08 utc | 99 Don Bacon Posted by: Anonymous | Aug 28 2013 17:10 utc | 100 |
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