Syria: Another False Flag "Chemical Weapon" Attack
Whenever there is some international action with regards to Syria, a United Nations security council meeting or a G8 conference, the Syrian insurgents create and/or propagandize some "massacre" that they allege to have been perpetrated by the Syrian government.On Monday UN chemical weapon inspectors arrived in Damascus to investigate some older claims of chemical weapon use. Just in time a new incident happens with the insurgents alleging use of "chemical weapons" by the Syrian government just some 10 miles away from the inspectors hotel:
Syrian regime forces fired intense artillery and rocket barrages Wednesday on the eastern suburbs Damascus amid a fierce government offensive in what two pro-opposition groups claimed was a “poisonous gas” attack that killed dozens of people.Videos of the incident show many people, including children, with respiratory problems. But non of the first responders and medical personal in those videos wear any protection against chemical weapons.The claims came as a 20-member U.N. chemical weapons team was in Syria to investigate three sites where chemical weapons attacks had allegedly occurred in the past. The timing raises questions on why would the regime employ chemical agents during a visit by the U.N. experts.
The government promptly denied the reports of Wednesday’s chemical weapons’ attack as “absolutely baseless.”
Real chemical weapons, like Sarin, are persistent agents. They stick to the cloth of the victims and any contact with those victims would practically guarantee to kill the people who try to help them unless those people take serious precautions. Whatever happened in Syria today is therefore unlikely to be the consequence of military grade chemical weapons. Many other chemical agents, like insecticides based on organophospate or some industrial process chemicals, could induce the observed symptoms.
It would of course be totally irrational for the Syrian government to use chemical weapons just the moment that chemical weapon inspectors arrive in the country. But it makes a lot of sense for the insurgents and their foreign supporters to create such an incident, as the did previously, and to use it to renew their propaganda campaign against the Syrian government. It is therefore no surprise that the British government immediately jumped all over the case.
Simply answer "cui bono?" and you will know who is responsible for this incident.
Posted by b on August 21, 2013 at 10:13 UTC | Permalink
« previous pageHere's another plus, from HuffPost, Aug 21:
Jean Pascal Zanders, an independent researcher who specializes in CBW and disarmament, said that in videos of the aftermath of the attacks, the hue of the victims' faces appeared to show many suffered from asphyxiation. However, he said the symptoms they exhibited were not consistent with mustard gas or the nerve agents VX or sarin. Mustard gas would cause blistering of the skin and discoloration, while the nerve agents would produce severe convulsions in the victims and also affect the paramedics treating them, neither of which was evident from the videos or reports. "I'm deliberately not using the term chemical weapons here," he said. "There's plenty of other nasty stuff that was used in the past as a chemical warfare agent, so many industrial toxicants could be used too."
Posted by: Rowan Berkeley | Aug 23 2013 8:13 utc | 102
American Tells of Odyssey as Prisoner of Syrian Rebels “Give him 115,” one of his captors said in English, as they began whipping his feet with a metal cable. When the torture ended Mr. Schrier could not walk. His captors, he said, dragged him to his cell. He remembers their parting phrase: “Have you heard of Guantánamo Bay?”
For seven months, Mr. Schrier, 35, was a prisoner in Syria of jihadi fighters opposed to President Bashar al-Assad. He was robbed, beaten and accused of being an American spy by men who then assumed his identity online.
His captors drained one of his bank accounts. They e-mailed his best friend and used his eBay account to purchase laptop and tablet computers, camera equipment and Mercedes parts.
Mr. Schrier said his captors were mostly members of the Nusra Front, a group aligned with Al Qaeda ... But as he was moved from prison to prison, he and his main cellmate, another American, were also held by a unit of Ahrar al-Sham, an Islamist group that works closely with the Free Syrian Army, a rebel umbrella group recognised by Western and Arab governments. His captors, Mr. Schrier said, held other prisoners, including Syrian soldiers and a Syrian legislator.
In April, he said, the prisoners were moved to a rural villa, also run by Mohammad, where a boy who appeared to be 12 was allowed to beat some of the prisoners and shock them with Tasers.
http://www.nytimes.com/2013/08/23/world/middleeast/american-tells-of-odyssey-as-prisoner-of-syrian-rebels.html?smid=fb-share&_r=0 The funny part of this story i found was that Jabhat al nusra and the FSA were accusing other people of being part of the CIA.
Posted by: brian | Aug 23 2013 9:40 utc | 103
obama and secterianism
http://news.yahoo.com/obama-says-syria-situation-grave-concern-103700799.html
Maybe you should have thought of that before you started to arm these terrorists you moron!
Posted by: Anonymous | Aug 23 2013 11:18 utc | 104
#17, #30
One commenter said that the picture is a Howitzer's and that the "muffler" has been around since 2002.
http://www.sondereinheiten.de/forum/viewtopic.php?t=3610
Posted by: JaimeInTexas | Aug 23 2013 14:59 utc | 105
From this author:
"Dan Kaszeta is the author of “CBRN and Hazmat Incidents at Major Public Events:
Planning and Response” (Wiley, 2012) as well as a number of magazine articles and conference papers.
He has 22 years of experience in CBRN, having served as an officer in the US Army Chemical Corps, as
CBRN advisor for the White House Military Office, and as a specialist in the US Secret
Service. He now runs Strongpoint Security, a London based CBRN and antiterrorism consultancy and is also a Senior Research Fellow with the International Institute of Nonproliferation Studies."
this (pdf)
Why I think that the Damascus area attacks probably were not caused by Sarin or another of the “nerve agent” family of chemical warfare agents:
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Supports my conclusions - no military stuff was used in this incident.
Prince Bandar seems optimistic on turning the table in the next 8 months:
http://english.al-akhbar.com/node/16652
Posted by: Ana Q | Aug 23 2013 21:34 utc | 107
Hi all, I'm from Spain, and I've been reading your comments about this chemical attack in Syria, and I would like to share with you this video that shows the real LIE in Syria (please, my apologizes because my english is not good enough... ). I think the mass media have a big and serious responsability in this madness (besides the governments, the rebels and the terrorists), and I hope all of we can learn and be alert in the lies they want to sell us !!!!
Syria - Terrorists Preparing A Fake Massacres Video for AlJazeera and CNN + - August 2013 -. Posted on 23/08/2013
- Ridiculous As Always ... They posted the video by mistake and all the world could see it.
The link for the video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P5EiIDFbOT0
The page where I've obtained the information about Complot against Syria is : htps://www.facebook.com/tOPeTEGZ
Posted by: sirrahstar | Aug 23 2013 21:42 utc | 108
b @ #106
The features summarized by Kaszeta are a fairly close match to hydrogen sulfide poisoning (see the wikipedia entry): rotten eggs smell (among other smells) eye irritation, breathing difficulty/foaming at mouth (likely to be pulmonary oedema), hyperventilation, and people appearing to be dead but coming back to life after several hours (there have been attempts to use this effect of hydrogen sulfide for medical purposes). It should be possible to detect this afterwards as copper or silver objects will have turned black. The smell may easily be missed as exposure to H2S quickly dulls the sense of smell.
Kaszeta doesn't consider H2S as a chemical warfare agent but it was used as a chemical weapon by the British in WWI. It would have been easy for insurgents to make large quantities of H2S from readily available industrial chemicals. It wouldn't have been easy to deliver by rocket, but could have been produced from a truck while a bombardment was under way.
Posted by: pmr9 | Aug 23 2013 22:53 utc | 109
For all you know it is in the water. You know nothing...especially how Assad or Arabs think. Of course he would hit them with something that dissipates with Chem Inspectors there just to get this reaction. UN Inspectors, that's an oxy-moronic term, anyway. I lived with them and I know how they think. They are masters of the layered intrigue, they don't care the means just the end.
Posted by: Mossfish | Aug 24 2013 1:54 utc | 110
Even this attack is believed to be true but it does not give a licence to the western forces to invade into Syria. If it is done, it will be Episode II of act like Episode I as witnessed USA and NATO attack onto Afghanistan. This event of Biological attack must be investigated by the independent and unbiased sources which must include scientists, medical experts, war experts, politicians, Franciscan from USA+NATO, Russia, Iran and China.
Cloud of doubts prevail on USA and NATO as these forces or countries were proved to be failed in providing evidences of WMD in Iraq and many false statements made against Afghanistan before attacking.
To me either Syrian Govt or rebels could involve in this attack and if it is so more depth investigation is needed in order to find out the supply and technical support for launching and using such systems by Syrians (Rabels or Govt)
Posted by: Faraz Khan | Aug 25 2013 17:15 utc | 111
You know nothing...especially how Assad or Arabs think. Posted by: Mossfish | Aug 23, 2013 9:54:47 PM | 110You know, Edward Said has a lot to answer for, in terms of Arab self-mystification.
Posted by: Rowan Berkeley | Aug 25 2013 17:26 utc | 112
I know, it isn't the fault of Edward Said. But ever since his book "Orientalism", the whole question of How Arabs Think has festered in the cultural unconscious, or guilty conscience, of the West. Right here on MoA, I have seen Arab commentators take advantage of the politically correct discursive void that resulted from Edward Said's book, to say that western secularists have no comprehension of Islam and no right to impose their secularist prejudice on it, which is certainly not what Edward Said meant. It would be surprising if no Arabs indulged in self-mystification at the expense of visitors like Mossfish.
Posted by: Rowan Berkeley | Aug 25 2013 19:01 utc | 113
This "Syrian Gov killing their own citizens", has been a ruse overused to the point only a total fool would not find it thread bare.
Just as obvious, this False Flag operation is to draw the 'target' being Iran into assisting Syria against 'foreign invaders'.
For the US Congress to issue another (unconstitutional) Resolution allowing Obama to 'Make War' is an obscene possible reality. The only trouble, this East - West (5-Perm-Member) cabal may separate on this one, and we may well see the beginning of WWIII.
Posted by: DeWayne | Aug 29 2013 4:51 utc | 114
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