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August 12, 2013
Open Thread 2013-17
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http://www.thestar.com/business/personal_finance/2013/08/11/lets_have_a_debate_on_credit_card_fees_roseman.html Fascinating TED talk by US-educated Chinese entrepreneur with many valuable insights into Chinese politics https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s0YjL9rZyR0 Posted by: ruralito | Aug 12 2013 15:54 utc | 2 What a great way to further the “Peace Talks” between the Palestinians and Israel. Posted by: ben | Aug 12 2013 16:12 utc | 3 Navalny accused by Prosecutor-General’s office of accepting foreign funding in his Moscow mayoral campaign:
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Posted by: Rowan Berkeley | Aug 12 2013 16:24 utc | 4 Erdogan’s Syria wet dreams turn nightmare-ish. Posted by: Hoarsewhisperer | Aug 12 2013 16:57 utc | 5 @ 3. Posted by: Hoarsewhisperer | Aug 12 2013 17:10 utc | 6 @ 4. Posted by: Rowan Berkeley | Aug 12 2013 18:22 utc | 7 http://japanfocus.org/-Andrew-DeWit/3984?utm_source=August+12%2C+2013&utm_campaign=China%27s+Connectivity+Revolution&utm_medium=email Posted by: bevin | Aug 12 2013 18:28 utc | 8 @ruralito Thanks for the vid on China, what a rare treat to hear an alternate political system described as anything but a hell on earth. Posted by: guest77 | Aug 13 2013 0:55 utc | 9 Ben….. Posted by: PissedOffAmerican | Aug 13 2013 2:42 utc | 10 @ 1: Yes, interesting take on a one party meritocracy, if in fact, that’s what it is. I can’t help but wonder what their development would look like without the 57 thousand factories fleeing the US for 3rd world wages. Posted by: ben | Aug 13 2013 2:53 utc | 11 Kidnapping update: families of the Lebanese hostages held in Syria are now vowing to kidnap more Turks in order to secure their relatives’ release. Posted by: Harper Langston | Aug 13 2013 3:00 utc | 12 @9 If we take Kerry-logic (I know, I know) at face value then this must also be true: Abbas can refer Israel’s illegal colonization to the ICC even during these farcical talks. Posted by: Johnboy | Aug 13 2013 3:27 utc | 13 looks like a mafiaso to me Posted by: denk | Aug 13 2013 4:16 utc | 15 Some poster whose name I can not recall recently made the eminently quotable observation that “politial science should be suborned to criminology.” I’d say the same thing about the field of economics. Recently unsealed court records have shed some new light on that big housing crisis we all endured:
There’s not even wily accounting or some degree of cleverness involved in this as we peons would have expected from our so-called superiors in the ranks of the 1%. It’s simply forgery, perjury and theft only distinguishable from holding up a liquor store in terms of its scale and how many people were involved. Or, to put it a little more succinctly… “(T)he banks stole trillions of dollars’ worth of houses from you and people like you, paid less than one percent in fines, and got to keep the homes.” Posted by: Monolycus | Aug 13 2013 4:37 utc | 16 Kerry said in Bogota: “The US of A views all of the settlements as illegitimate.” This is a unilateral switch of US official policy back to its 1980s position. Since the 1980s, the policy has been “We do not accept the legitimacy of continued settlement activity,” which is much weaker because it automatically exempts whatever settlements already exist up to the moment it is said. A history of this weasel formulation is here. Posted by: Rowan Berkeley | Aug 13 2013 6:08 utc | 17 @16 Yeah Id like to see his words followed by action. So what? He said something which is acknowledged by most of the Elite. Just because he says so for the first time doesnt change the political agenda of ZUSA. Even if diplomacy sometimes relies on subtle messages, Kerry is a walking paradox! He is changing his mind evry day (Syria for instance). Thats probably a new sort of diplomatic rhetoric:”Total confusion”. Posted by: Kal | Aug 13 2013 9:59 utc | 18 by now u’ve read enough msm bs about china’s sudden *assertiveness* in scs, ecs, any time now they r gonna *upgrade* it to *aggressiveness* i guess. Posted by: denk | Aug 13 2013 11:26 utc | 19 @16 You should double-check that claim, as I believe that Obama said in his Cairo speech that the USA did not accept the legitimacy of settlement construction. Posted by: Johnboy | Aug 13 2013 11:28 utc | 20
“construction” means exactly the same as “continued’. It means, we’re talking about further building from this arbitarily chosen moment x, thus everything built before moment x is water under the bridge and is not in dispute, ie there will be no demolition of anything already built. Which is why, ever since Ariel Sharon’s day, the watchword has been “get out there and build while you can, so that as much as possible is up before someone agrees to moment x.” Sharon himself expressed it just those terms, in October 1998, when he was foreign minister in the previous Netanyahu’s government:
Posted by: Rowan Berkeley | Aug 13 2013 12:04 utc | 21 Is there a joke of sort by Obama in this: Obama’s “reform” panel to be led by Clapper, who denied spying to Congress? Contempt for the rest of us, non-US and US citizens alike, doesn’t begin to describe it. Posted by: Philippe | Aug 13 2013 12:04 utc | 22 Reform is one of those magic words that politicians use to connote a positive development to the public. Posted by: JohnH | Aug 13 2013 14:00 utc | 23 “the USA did not accept the legitimacy of settlement construction.” Posted by: bevin | Aug 13 2013 14:25 utc | 24
Posted by: guest77 | Aug 14 2013 2:05 utc | 25 An old favorite. They’ve been really good lately: http://fair.org/ Posted by: guest77 | Aug 14 2013 2:08 utc | 26 @21 Hmmmm, OK, I can see the logic of that. Posted by: Johnboy | Aug 14 2013 2:09 utc | 27 @21 Oh, I just finished reading through the rest of the transcript of that State Dept Press Briefing, and AP’s Matt Lee nails the State Department spokesmodel hide to the wall. Have a read of this exchange….. Posted by: Johnboy | Aug 14 2013 2:36 utc | 28 Posted by: Hoarsewhisperer | Aug 12, 2013 12:57:33 PM | 5 Posted by: brian | Aug 14 2013 3:09 utc | 29 Jean Bricmont at Counterpunch: Posted by: bevin | Aug 14 2013 15:08 utc | 30 Gilbert Achcar “fecklessness” personified: Posted by: bevin | Aug 14 2013 15:34 utc | 31 media alert !!! Posted by: denk | Aug 14 2013 17:07 utc | 32 Amazing ruiling… Posted by: brian | Aug 14 2013 21:50 utc | 33 A post that will not make it onto the Mondo slate. This question scares the shit out of Philip Weiss. Posted by: PissedOffAmerican | Aug 14 2013 23:53 utc | 35 And the first US propaganda starts filtering down to the US mainstream news… Posted by: guest77 | Aug 15 2013 3:19 utc | 36 Identity of the Khaki wearing Boston Bombing operatives revealed – and why was Tsarnaev dressed like them? Posted by: somebody | Aug 15 2013 5:56 utc | 37
Archives: Tapes Depict Proposal to Thwart Bomb Used in Trade Center Blast Posted by: somebody | Aug 15 2013 6:36 utc | 38 None of that could ever cancel out the hundreds of lies you posted here about boston and tsarnaev. Posted by: hmm | Aug 15 2013 7:26 utc | 39 in ur face, in ur eyes Posted by: denk | Aug 15 2013 8:04 utc | 40 I was wondering when NSA/Snowden would make it into public entertainment. Well, here you go. Posted by: Browning | Aug 15 2013 13:27 utc | 41 @37 Whatever happened in Boston or not, it is repulsive to think the US government hires a company whose motto is “despite what your mamma told you, violence does solve problems.” Posted by: guest77 | Aug 15 2013 23:41 utc | 42 More Bruce Schneier: Posted by: Dr. Wellington Yueh | Aug 16 2013 1:07 utc | 43 Eamonn McCann: Bradley Manning in context. Posted by: bevin | Aug 16 2013 3:24 utc | 44 god damn fukus Posted by: denk | Aug 16 2013 3:33 utc | 45 They may not have noticed how the US Armed Forces treat ‘their women’. Rape is epidemic. Suicide is common. Posted by: Rowan Berkeley | Aug 16 2013 4:55 utc | 46 46 Rowan Berkeley Posted by: denk | Aug 16 2013 6:20 utc | 47 *For years the US has vigorously denied that they have anything to do with the Navy base.* Posted by: denk | Aug 16 2013 9:09 utc | 48 Pyongtaek is gone, kaput, but prez *westmoreland* wants more, more n more. Posted by: denk | Aug 16 2013 10:22 utc | 49 The Strange and Fieryv Death of Michael Hastings Posted by: bevin | Aug 16 2013 16:51 utc | 50
Are these alliances normal? Posted by: somebody | Aug 16 2013 16:58 utc | 51 This is Israeli mindset at its worst (by which I mean, largely average):
How hilarious, from a country that encourages and arms the cannibal terrorist army. Funny how god would pick such a bunch of gold medal assholes as his chosen ones, huh? Never has a nation carried out such a vicious campaign of occupation, war, and terror with such smug “humor”. Posted by: guest77 | Aug 17 2013 2:47 utc | 52 http://www.presstv.ir/detail/2013/08/14/318762/abu-ghraib-torture-victims-sued-by-torturers/
Just when you thought the US security corporations could get no more depraved… Posted by: guest77 | Aug 17 2013 2:55 utc | 53 http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20130816/14533924213/feds-threaten-to-arrest-lavabit-founder-shutting-down-his-service.shtml
Posted by: guest77 | Aug 17 2013 4:25 utc | 54 I’m not fan of NPR, but this is an interesting agle on an important story:
Posted by: guest77 | Aug 17 2013 4:36 utc | 55 Why Russians Hate Company of Heroes 2 [BadComedian] Posted by: guest77 | Aug 17 2013 21:15 utc | 56 I expect you’d like to know what I make of the 9-hr detention of Glenn Greenwald’s boyfriend David Miranda at Heathrow airport. Well, I only have a few observations to report. Greenwald himself says:
The Graun says:
The NYT appears to have manufactured a number of fictitions Greenwald quotes. They have this to say:
The evil Rob Crilly of the Torygraph then exploits the above fictitious admissions by Greenwald to conclude:
Posted by: Rowan Berkeley | Aug 19 2013 14:19 utc | 57 Another post censored at Mondoweiss. WQhat is Phil afraid of? The truth? Posted by: PissedOffAmerican | Aug 19 2013 17:44 utc | 58 Guardian says Britain forced it to destroy Snowden material
Posted by: somebody | Aug 20 2013 7:11 utc | 59 US Muslim Brotherhood strategy unraveling further …
Posted by: somebody | Aug 20 2013 14:39 utc | 60
It isn’t actually the vote so much as the campaign funding. Jewish/Zionist organisations have become particularly skillful over the years at channeling essential funds back and forth according to who is more obedient to AIPAC. This is quite a complex subject and obviously it is something that is done as discreetly as possible, so it requires serious research to expose it. If you look at this “Contributions” tab, and then look at the “Bills supported and opposed” tab, you’ll see how effective it is. Posted by: Rowan Berkeley | Aug 20 2013 15:02 utc | 61 More censored opinion at Mondowiess…on the following thread…. Posted by: PissedOffAmerican | Aug 20 2013 15:48 utc | 62 Phil is trying to assemble and maintain a particular constituency: mainly (or entirely) Jewish, ‘progressive’, ready to fight the vested interests that dominate US Jewish life, but from inside the tent, from a shared set of assumptions about the net value of US Jewish life: that US Jews are (or can be) important and prestigious and successful and self-satisfied and free and meritorious and good liberals and and. You aren’t in the tent. You’re, I fear wasting your time (& probably by reproducing them here, too because they’re pretty much rhetorical questions). Posted by: Rowan Berkeley | Aug 20 2013 16:24 utc | 63 The reason to post them here is not to pose the questions here. Most here know the answers. The reason is to give Phil’s censorship of opinion an airing, as his site is regarded as fairly “open”, when the truth is quite different. The “waste of time” is Phil’s. If he employs the same tactics as the hasbarists and the zionists in his quest to change the dynamics of domestic Jewish opinion and circumstance, than he is simply pissing into the wind, and his “concern” for the actual plight of the Palestinians is a sham, a conjob. Posted by: PissedOffAmerican | Aug 20 2013 16:55 utc | 64 Bradley Manning sentenced to 35 years in Wikileaks case Posted by: Uncle $cam | Aug 21 2013 23:05 utc | 65 So…they can’t keep the cat in the bag any longer in regards to Fukushima. Interesting that last night on the web “Enenews” was reporting the latest tank leak as a Level 3 event. Then, this morning, the L.A. Times reported it as a Level 1 event. Now, on CNN, it was reported that “it is about to be declared” a Level 3 event. Media confusion is a sure sign of media manipulation of the facts. Posted by: PissedOffAmerican | Aug 21 2013 23:55 utc | 66 “If the majority of American Jews support Israel unconditionally, which seems to be the case, (or else our politicians would be acting differently in thier quest for the “Jewish vote”), than they are deserving of my criticism, bigotry aside.” Posted by: guest77 | Aug 22 2013 0:02 utc | 67 otoh Posted by: denk | Aug 22 2013 2:22 utc | 68 “I’d suggest you save your attacks for those wealthy Zionist right wingers instead of attacking American Jews as a group” Posted by: PissedOffAmerican | Aug 22 2013 2:32 utc | 69 god damned fukus Posted by: denk | Aug 22 2013 5:08 utc | 70 god bless the prince Posted by: denk | Aug 23 2013 3:40 utc | 71 Good to remember how the ultra liberal system crush on its own kids and refuses education to all Posted by: Mina | Aug 23 2013 11:43 utc | 72 armitage Posted by: denk | Aug 24 2013 6:09 utc | 73 math quiz Posted by: denk | Aug 24 2013 17:30 utc | 74 Got this link via Xymphora… Posted by: Hoarsewhisperer | Aug 25 2013 19:02 utc | 75 businessinsider Posted by: denk | Aug 28 2013 16:40 utc | 76 for the past six months or so, Posted by: denk | Aug 29 2013 4:43 utc | 77 “He did away with the propaganda machine and did it for all of us”
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