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July 9, 2013
Syria: The “Syrian File”

During the last years Qatars played an oversized role on several foreign policy issues especially with regard to Syria. The Saudis and other Persian Gulf countries were generally concerned about that but especially about Qatar’s promotion of the Muslim Brotherhood. Most GCC countries see the political Islam of the Brotherhood as a danger to their autocratic systems.

Some strings were pulled and the emir of Qatar was persuaded to hand power over to his son Tamim. The fall of the Muslim Brotherhood presidency in Egypt is one consequence of this. Qatar also had to hand over the “Syrian file” to the Saudis. The dysfunctional Syrian National Council, which had been led by Syrian Muslim Brotherhood members, named a new “leader” who is polygamous tribal sheik from east Syria with roots in Saudi Arabia but no connection to the MB. The SNC’s “prime minister”, a U.S. citizen and also a Brotherhood member, had to step down.

While lots of new anti-tank and some anti-air weapons arrived in Syria during the last month they have shown no decisive value. After three weeks of battle the Syrian army will now soon have kicked out the last insurgents from Homs city. Unfortunately the situation in Aleppo has become worse. The insurgents seem to have had some successes there and there are rumors, though no confirmed news yet, that some government friendly parts of Aleppo are under siege with no food supplies coming through. But in total the momentum is with the government side which explains this laughable request:

In Istanbul, the newly elected head of the opposition Syrian National Coalition told Reuters that the rebels’ military position was weak and proposed a truce for the Muslim holy month of Ramadan, which begins on Tuesday, to stop fighting in Homs.

The SNC has absolute no control over the insurgents and especially not over the foreign Jihadists which have grown in numbers to 5,000 men or more.

These Jihadist are taking over (vid) by force more and more towns in northern Syria that had earlier been under control of Syrian insurgents. In an interview in that video one of the Jidhadist commanders says that he buys his weapons, including the latest anti-tank and anti-air stuff, from the Free Syrian Army.

This is one reason why the Obama administration has not yet directly delivered the promised weapons and may never deliver them. Another one is resistance in Congress where several committees are unconvinced of Obama’s weaponizing strategy.

In one of the first interviews with the Syrian president Bashar Al Assad during the crisis he was asked when it would end. He said something like “when a certain the sheik stops paying” and he seemed to have meant Qatar. With its new emir the foreign policy of Qatar has changed. Its support for the Muslim Brotherhood has stopped and foreign nationals with Syrian roots are no longer welcome in Qatar.

The door is now open for private talks between Syria and Saudi Arabia which is now responsible for the “Syrian file” and the insurgents. There might be a negotiable solution there and after that the only problematic actors left will be Turkey’s Erdogan and his sidekick Dovatoglu. They have already been cut to size due to the Gezi Park protests and the loss of their friends in Egypt. There will be ways and means to convince them to shut down their border for insurgents and weapon deliveries. Shortly after that the insurgency will die down.

Comments

This does jive with what I’ve been reading on Syria.
In Homs the remaining rebels are fucked. All supply lines cut and they are surrounded in a few districts in the city centre. Even the pro-FSA Lebanese Daily Star carried reports like this from the Homs district of Khaldieh:

In a desperate move, rebels inside Khaldieh recorded videos of themselves strapped with explosive belts, pledging to blow up themselves and their surroundings if regime forces entered the mosque complex.“We have been besieged here for a year and a month now. We have been pounded with missiles, tank shells and warplanes,” one of the fighters says in the video.
“We have not received any kind of arms despite the pledges from the Free Syrian Army and the Arab countries. Where are the Muslims? We had to make these explosive belts because we have no other means to defend ourselves.” “We have only one weapon left which we have made by our hands; these explosive belts.

The article goes on to quote an “activist” in Homs as saying they have run out of medical equipment, almost run out of fuel, and weapons and ammunition are running low. Estimates I’ve heard on twitter are that around 800 fighters are remaining in these Homs districts under siege. Also read yesterday some reports that Khaldieh district, mentioned above, fell yesterday to the SAA, but rebels are denying it.
Hussamov11 is a college student living in Aleppo that I follow on Twitter. This video from 2 days ago is him giving a rundown of what the situation is like. He also says that there have been successes in Southern Syria around Damascus, Central Syria around Homs and in Idleb but that there is a large FSA offensive in Aleppo.
Finally there have been a string of reports on rebels turning against each other. A lot of this appears to be the conflict between Al Nusra jihadists which broke with Al Qaeda in Iraq against Al Nusra jihadists who joined the new group “Islamic State of Iraq and Al Sham” which has the blessing of the Al Qaeda leadership in Afghanistan/Pakistan. One Report here.

Rebels clashed with an opposition unit linked to al Qaeda in northern Syria, activists said on Saturday, in a deadly battle that signals growing divisions among rebel groups. The Islamic State of Iraq and al-Sham (ISIS), the new al Qaeda franchise announced by the head of global network’s Iraq leader, has been quickly working to cement power in rebel-held territories of northern Syria in recent months. ISIS units have begun to impose stricter interpretations of Islamic law and have filmed themselves executing members of rival rebel groups whom they accuse of corruption

Posted by: Colm O’ Toole | Jul 9 2013 16:58 utc | 1

Does anyone have any details on the strings that were pulled to get the Emir of Qatar to step down? I would love to understand the dynamic on this one.

Posted by: Base | Jul 9 2013 17:01 utc | 2

I’ve been reading for months that the Saudis have been concerned about weapons in Syria, supplied by Qatar, reaching the types of characters likely to return home and shake their ivory tower. Qatar had no such worries – no sense of responsibility. Where was the blowback going to come from? Everything to gain and nothing to lose. A boil on the arse of Arabia, with no room for insurgents to roam.
But this implies a disconnect between the aims of Saudi Arabia and Qatar and, it follows, the US. Surely, though, these countries are all on the same page – weaken Iran and pick up the pieces; only Qatar’s ‘anything goes’ philosophy has created a band of marauding cannibals who need to be dealt with sooner or later.
It seems likely that any shift in policy will now be aimed at identifying and training reliable rebel units who will do as they are told. What they will be asked to do remains to be seen.

Posted by: Pat Bateman | Jul 9 2013 17:04 utc | 3

More of the snippers and media strategies in the Middle East revolutions
http://www.newyorker.com/online/blogs/newsdesk/2013/07/after-the-shooting-in-cairo.html
and an interesting comment
“A similar version of events has been posted in a video by Dalia Ziada of the Ibn Khaldun Center at https://www.facebook.com/AJCGlobal She says the Brotherhood called the press at 2 AM and said they should all come to the Republican Guard headquarters because there was going to be a massacre.”

Posted by: Mina | Jul 9 2013 17:26 utc | 4

A quick comment, events sure do move quickly in the Middle East. So The Syrian government wins, then what happens? The Saudis are still going to fret over their Shiite subjects and Irans influence over them. The Qataris and Bahrainis are still going to keep arguing with Iran as well. The Israelis will remain adamantly against a nuclear Iran. Lebanon will still be a mess. So then what? Limp along until the next war? Once everybody has caught their breath again?

Posted by: Fernando | Jul 9 2013 17:32 utc | 5

Why does no one mention the elephant in the room?
The position of Russia.

Posted by: Penny | Jul 9 2013 17:35 utc | 6

Otro comentario rapido, ayayay!!
The victors in this right now are Putin, Iran and Saudi Arabia.
Losers; Odummy, Syria, Lebanon, Iraq
The chessboard is sadly still in play

Posted by: Fernando | Jul 9 2013 17:37 utc | 7

I’m afraid nothing will change for the better in Syria, not anytime soon. MB will be weaker, but Al Qaeda and other Saudi sponsored terrorists will only grow stronger. With less inner-fighting and more consolidated fighter groups around Al Nusra, it will make life for SAA and Syrians in general for the worse.
Its possible Al Nusra will be renamed to “We are the good guys, we promise!”, so overt support to them wouldnt look that bad for the West and Saudis. Not like anyone of them are loosing any sleep when their openly supported “moderate rebels” are indulged in cannibalism, massacres and kidnapping of UN peacekeepers.

Posted by: Harry | Jul 9 2013 17:54 utc | 8

Seems like people over overanalyze the alleged qatar/saudi, egypt MB issue etc and getting way off in their analysis. ALL sunni gulf states support the opposition and I guess that will restult this camp to win, if the win for rebels come next week or in 2 years is another question,..however it will come.

Posted by: Anonymous | Jul 9 2013 18:07 utc | 9

It just struck me that there have been two, almost identical, stories about Syria in the last five days: both have claimed large and damaging explosions of Syrian advanced weapon stores. I think now that these stories have probably been inflated from slim or even trivial foundations, in order to give the impression that Syria and Egypt are two unrelated theatres, which of course they are not, and to pick up the anti-Assad slack created by the collapse of the Jihadi drive. The key fact is not that Saudi has taken over ‘the Syria file’ from Qatar, but that whoever has the file, its contents no longer make any sense. The idea was to flood Syria with Jihadis from anywhere and everywhere, arm them, and stand well back. But this idea has now come into contradiction with the need to rein in the Jihadis. I believe that Israel, which certainly holds the whip hand over the US when it comes to mid-East policy, has said, “Dai (enough)! Stop it! No more Jihadis!” So the whole motor of Jihadi recruitment and arming for Syria has to stop too. Therefore, Israel is fabricating its own preferred narrative, which is “We shall be coy and let other people make unprovable claims that we have zapped the evil Assad with our amazing high-tech secret weapons, and sit there smirking, like we always do.”

Posted by: Rowan Berkeley | Jul 9 2013 19:25 utc | 10

Massive chemical weapons cache belonging to rebels found in Syria.
http://news.xinhuanet.com/english/world/2013-07/09/c_132523266.htm
Reuters where are you hiding?

Posted by: Anonymous | Jul 9 2013 20:40 utc | 11

I haven’t been following the whole Egypt thing since it doesn’t interest me as much as the Syrian situation. One thing that struck me though was how the MB used the same tactics as in Syria, namely using armed men to infiltrate the protesters and fire upon the police/military to provoke a massacre. Too much coïncidence? Naaah.
As to the Syrian file. Saudi Arabia was in it from the start and almost all arab countries are supporting the SNC/FSA. SA and Qatar are supporting the Salafist/Wahabi groups. Qatar was trying to take the lead role and to me it seems they failed somehow. Wether it’s the bad press against the rebels (terrorists do as terrorists are won’t to do) or the disastrous affairs on the battlefield the repercussions are plain. Qatar is stepping back.
I disagree with b’s supposition that there will be private talks (SA and Syria) and the insurgency will die down. The problem was too many groups financing and too many conflicting groups (group A doesn’t take orders from financer B only from financer A for example). With SA taking the lead I reckon they will unify the insurgency (as can already be seen in the ranks of the SNC) and then they can force them to coöperate. “Either do as we tell you or you don’t get paid”. This is the most likely scenario in my eyes. This would prolong the proxywar and escalate it further. Way further than the stumbling buffoons of the FSA have been able to get it so far.
As to Turkey: this is what puzzles me the most. Daily hurriyet has been quite silent to Syria and almost exclusively reports on Turkey’s own troubles and Egypt. My guess is that Erdogan got too much of his own medicine (Reyhanli bombings, JaN members caught with Sarin inside Turkey) and he got disgusted with the quite vocal criticism of the riots in Turkey by the US and EU. That there is some strain is already apparent. From what I gather Turkey is not actively supporting the insurgency in Syria anymore and their obstinate behaviour.
This got snowed in by Egypt but interesting nonetheless! Turkey considering chinese weapon systems
This may be connected: Freighter stopped for weapon smuggling
Weapons for the Syrian opposition? I think only SA could make Yemen stop such a cargo but the reason remains why? Why did it get stopped?
Anyone some insight or ideas on this?

Posted by: Gehenna | Jul 9 2013 21:45 utc | 12

For the Syrian PM it wasn’t much of a step.

Posted by: heath | Jul 9 2013 22:06 utc | 13

whoops the FSA PM,I mean
Penny 6
Russia found out that if it took a principled stand with an ally, and kept on pressing that point the US would have to slink away, having a threadbare g string covering umm its imperial ambition and power lust.

Posted by: heath | Jul 9 2013 22:14 utc | 14

“Saudi Arabia was in it from the start and almost all arab countries are supporting the SNC/FSA. SA and Qatar are supporting the Salafist/Wahabi groups.”
Saudi Arabia in this context means Prince Bandar and his Al Qaeda operation. Bandar works for the US and is very friendly towards Zionism, especially now that the fascists have completely displaced the social democrats. The big question is what will happen when King Abdullah, reportedly on the verge of death for months now, goes to his reward.
It is not inevitable that Bandar bin Sultan’s faction will take over.

Posted by: bevin | Jul 10 2013 2:01 utc | 15

@heath @14
Russia didn’t really “find out something”. There’s just a lobby for military-ind complex which does want to protect Syria. And this group is slowly recovering from 20-years waste, Putin is just to help them a bit.
No any “long-term global considerations” exist in Russia’s politics as I see it here in Moscow.

Posted by: Sergey | Jul 10 2013 2:25 utc | 16

This is interesting, at least it gives a good snap shot; 2nd July/13 – The Saudi-Qatari Clash Over Syria: http://nationalinterest.org/commentary/the-saudi-qatari-clash-over-syria-8685
Read a news brief, a branch of the Syrian opposition (Iraqi fraction) are buying weapons from the FSA, the FSA are getting their weapons for free. So making coin with supplies provided, very shrewd. Also shows loyalty is in the ‘Coin’. No wonder they all want more arms to flow, it’s a great business. And everyone seems to be onboard in some way.
Still feel Russia are playing a waiting game, and China will be on board, all good for Syria and the core goal is Egypt as a strategic partner and base- @Sergey; Russia has long term goals in the region, its energy and logistics/Transport.

Posted by: kev | Jul 10 2013 3:24 utc | 17

And the winner is!
The weapons manufacturers!
Putin & Russia has emerged with more cred, influence influence & honor than before. Odummy and the USgov not so much.
Muchacho’s, what went so wrong? The Russia brand is like Apple and Putin is like Steve Jobs.
I guess Odummy and USgov, are Bill Gates and Microsoft NT…
Que paso hermano?

Posted by: Fernando | Jul 10 2013 5:15 utc | 18

@Fernando @18
>> The Russia brand is like Apple and Putin is like Steve Jobs.
I’d say not at all. Putin just helps them (weapons manufacturers) a bit tactically. But he’s not *directly* involved into making money there.
@kev @17
>> Russia has long term goals in the region, its energy and logistics/Transport.
Agreed, “Russia” has. Not the Russian oligarchy gvmt.
Back on topic – today it looks just too clear for all of the short-term, mid-term and long-term considerations for Russia to converge – and that’s the reason why “Russia don’t want” to fail in Syria. It *may* result in some actions but not yet.

Posted by: Sergey | Jul 10 2013 5:49 utc | 19

Sergey – Can you rephrase please “Back on topic – today it looks just too clear for all of the short-term, mid-term and long-term considerations for Russia to converge – and that’s the reason why “Russia don’t want” to fail in Syria. It *may* result in some actions but not yet.” – I just can’t interpret or understand any of that, It’s like I would say “I want a cheese sandwich tomorrow and eat a ham sandwich yesterday” . Just nonsensical – I am sure it just a translation thing and I am a little slow today?

Posted by: kev | Jul 10 2013 10:40 utc | 20

Harry@ 8
I’m afraid nothing will change for the better in Syria, not anytime soon. MB will be weaker, but Al Qaeda and other Saudi sponsored terrorists will only grow stronger. With less inner-fighting and more consolidated fighter groups around Al Nusra, it will make life for SAA and Syrians in general for the worse.
Posted by: Gehenna @ 12
As to the Syrian file. Saudi Arabia was in it from the start and almost all arab countries are supporting the SNC/FSA. SA and Qatar are supporting the Salafist/Wahabi groups. Qatar was trying to take the lead role and to me it seems they failed somehow. Wether it’s the bad press against the rebels (terrorists do as terrorists are won’t to do) or the disastrous affairs on the battlefield the repercussions are plain. Qatar is stepping back.
I disagree with b’s supposition that there will be private talks (SA and Syria) and the insurgency will die down.
Harry and Gehanna: Interesting observations and I agree that on the ground nothing will change, just get worse for SAA and ordinary Syrians
I too disagree with b’s supposition that there will be private talks and the insurgency will die down
It seems vastly more plausible that the consolidation under SA is being done to get the opposition in order and shift events on the ground ahead of Geneva
I am working on a post at my place expanding on exactly that proposition and it’s nice to see I am not the only one seeing this as a ramping up as opposed to a settling down of events.

Posted by: Penny | Jul 10 2013 12:30 utc | 21

Oops, anonymous @ 9
you too!

Posted by: Penny | Jul 10 2013 12:32 utc | 22

#22
Please elaborate.

Posted by: Anonymous | Jul 10 2013 12:42 utc | 23

There is indeed a siege on Aleppo
War crimes by Syrian “Opposition”

Leaflets have been handed out in Aleppo stating that any attempt to distribute food or medicines to areas of Aleppo where Government support is high (most of the city’s two million inhabitants) is punishable by death. Two million people are being starved, their babies are being deprived of milk, their sick deprived of medicines by these monsters – and the west sniffs, whistles a tune, looks sideways or else becomes suddenly fascinated by its fingernails.
The leaflets are provided by Jabhat al-Nusra and other factions of the so-called “Free” Syrian Army


Reuters: Syrian rebel blockade in Aleppo leaves thousands hungry: activists

Syrian rebels have intensified their blockade of government-held areas in the northern city of Aleppo, where residents now face severe food shortages, opposition activists said on Tuesday.
Many activists condemn the tactic, aimed at weakening the supply routes of President Bashar al-Assad’s forces, arguing that it indiscriminately punishes more than 2 million people living in the western part of the city still held by the army.
Aleppo has been in a stalemate since nearly a year ago, when rebels launched an offensive and seized half of the city.
“This is a crime … Some of our rebel forces, God reform them, are participating in this blockade. Prices are soaring at an unimaginable rate. There is now horrible scarcity,” said an activist speaking by Skype, who asked not to be named.
Rebels have been working for months to block roads leading into western Aleppo, but food scarcity only became a serious problem this week. The fighters decided for the first time to block a highway once left open to civilians, according to an Aleppo-based activist who asked not to be named. Previously, they had only attacked Assad’s forces there.

And on chemical weapons:
Press statement by H.E. Ambassador Vitaly Churkin, Permanent Representative of the Russian Federation to the United Nations, on the use of chemical weapons in Syria
In short: The insurgents did it.

Posted by: b | Jul 10 2013 13:04 utc | 24

Homs first, then Aleppo. Any day now hopefully.

Posted by: Pat Bateman | Jul 10 2013 13:50 utc | 25

Concerning the siege of Aleppo, it shows again the criminals cruelty and contempt for civilians. A taste of what will happen in the future if the government capitulates or falls to it’s enemies. The denial of food and basic necessities, isn’t that a war crime?
Is it the growing strength of the rebels that is being displayed here?
Are they acting in a more brazen manner because they are indeed getting weaker and more desperate?
I’m going to check out Penny’s site, see what more I can glean from there!
Penny on #23, don’t elaborate it’s not worth it, it’s just a black hole.

Posted by: Fernando | Jul 10 2013 14:08 utc | 26

No weapons from the U.S.
Intelligence panels cut off aid to Syrian rebels by restricting funds

House and Senate Intelligence panel members have voted to block President Obama from arming Syrian rebels, committee insiders told The Hill. They did so by placing severe restrictions on funding.
Lawmakers made their decision last month for fear that the administration plan would let weapons fall into the hands of terrorist groups, such as the many linked to al Qaeda.
The exact nature of the restrictions is unknown because the committees voted privately on the basis of classified information. What is known is that the restrictions are sufficient to prevent the administration from delivering arms as planned, according to a source familiar with the actions.

Admin haz no strategy, committees say …

Posted by: b | Jul 10 2013 14:15 utc | 27

Fernando
What do you think about SAA crimes? Like how you speak of warcrimes by rebels which are correct but refuse to recognize the warcrimes by SAA. Very hypocritical of you.
You seems quite obsessed with me by the way, now urging others not to respond to my questions. Keep hating.

Posted by: Anonymous | Jul 10 2013 14:16 utc | 28

anonymous@ 23
Clarifying:
“Seems like people over overanalyze the alleged qatar/saudi, egypt MB issue etc and getting way off in their analysis. ALL sunni gulf states support the opposition”
Agreed. That was what I meant.

Posted by: Penny | Jul 10 2013 14:38 utc | 29

I spoke with my sister-in-law today. She lives in the government controlled area in the city of Aleppo. She confirmed the food siege by the terrorists. She is only able to buy “zatar” but no bread. No fruits or vegetables of any kind. No meat. No baby formula. Her husband will try to walk to the terrorist held neighborhood where food is still being sold. They only have some rice which was purchased a week ago.

Posted by: hilmi hakim | Jul 10 2013 17:14 utc | 30

b@27
Like Congress restricting funding is going to stop an Administration hell bent on doing whatever they want. Note how Reagan armed the Contras despite Congressional restrictions.
Obama will have plenty of ways to arm the jihadis if he wants to do it. He’s already got all the arms conduit and training apparatus all set up via CIA, special forces, etc. He can also substitute Saudi/GCC money.
There is a decent probability that the civil war in Syria will drag on until there is nothing left there and all the actors get completely tired of the essential stalemate. Something like what happened in Lebanon some decades back.

Posted by: ab initio | Jul 10 2013 18:50 utc | 31

a decent probability that the civil war in Syria will drag on until there is nothing left there

Over the time that this conflict is going on, I’ve come to think that this might indeed be the actual goal of this conflict. The way these “rebels” are armed and supported will lead to (and already has that effect imho) an overall weakening of the region called “Syria”.
They seem to get loads of anti-tank weapons and some anti-aircraft manpads and stuff. They’re not in a position to achieve a definite victory over the syrian army, they’re not even capable of holding bases for a longer time (it seems so, at least). But what they can achieve is: drag the army down to their level of possibilities. It’s improbable that the army will get rid of the terrorists entirely, so they’ll always be able to take some checkpoints and kill some tanks, blow up patrols etc. (interesting: watched some videos of algerian jihad on liveleak: this will imho be the future for syrian warfare) and destroy enough infrastructure to become an influential player on a lower standard than the country has had before. In other words: Say 5 Years ago, who’d haven given a shit about some muslim militants distributing bread in the neighborhood? No one – people would go to the market and buy what they feel like. Now take away the infrastructure, burn the market down and have the occasional carbomb going off and all of a sudden the distribution of bread will be something that population needs and maybe welcomes (or at least depends on), see Aleppo these days.
The Djihadis don’t mind, they’re not from Syria and haven’t had much to lose before, anyway (I guess) and are cheaply paid off by their contractors.
Yeah, I’m babbling, sorry ;-). The point is, to me it seems not too far off that regime change is not actually the goal, but maybe it’s just the weakening of the army, destroying as many tanks and possibly aircraft as possible and do some reconnaisance work (like: where are the major anti-aircraft sites, weapon depots etc.) for the us/nato. I’m not much of an anti-zionist or something like that, but from a pragmatic point of view, if I were an israeli nationalist strategist, I’d probably prefer two or more fighting parties (ideally fighting with sticks and clubs only) on my borders to a well-organised army, be it secular, democratic, islamist or fascist. Especially when it comes to say, strategically valuable disputed areas, maybe the golan or something.
So the “west”/”nato” aren’t that much in a hurry for regime change at all, they’re happy watching the syrian army get run down by the rats and the country descending into an overall rathole.

Posted by: peter radiator | Jul 10 2013 20:19 utc | 32

@Kev #17: interesting link there! @bevin #15: Read some things about prince Bandar in Robert Baer’s books (the devil we know and sleeping with the devil) just didn’t know he was shoved upfront to manage the insurgency.
@Penny #21:
Mine is a supposition as well. Don’t mistake it for truth. But in essence Yes they’ve thrown in a lot of money to get this insurgency started and yes they got practically nothing to show for it besides some fancy youtube/liveleak propaganda. Does this mean they (the powers behind this NATO/US/SA/Qatar/etc) will just call it quits and call it even and let Bashar stay in power? Not in my eyes. The goals are still the same. Weaken Iran hegemony in the region, weaken Hezbollah’s power (also part of Iran hegemony) in Lebanon so SA/Qatar can takeover the palestinian cause, destroy Syria so Israel can keep the Golan (and it’s oil) and the energy hub can go through Turkey instead of Syria and baathist ideology is removed to a sidenote in history (Saddam was first and now only Bashar remains).
Regime change may not be possible with these buffoons on the ground but a weakened Syria is in my eyes still not acceptable to the powers that are funding and masterminding this. Maybe the insurgency will die for the moment and they will train and fund the insurgents in Jordan for a while but they will keep up at it. I see no reason for them to stop. Financing them seems like peanuts but it must weigh on SA and Qatar though not as much as it would the US (being close to bankrupcy and all). They could keep financing them for another 6 years.
Seeing the progress on the SNC I can only see them consolidate power and command and then make another attempt. What I can’t get a grasp on is what Turkey will do. They’re still involved though more at odds with the west. Will they keep on doing this or will they back down and accept that Erdogan’s dream of being a diplomatic superpower in the region were just that. Dreams (made impossible by his blunders on the international playingfield).
Your question (#6) on Russia is most probably rhetorical. They’ve had and held the same position for 3 years now and I don’t see them backing down.

Posted by: Gehenna | Jul 10 2013 21:17 utc | 33

@Hilmi #30: I wish your family there in Aleppo well. This is considered a war crime and the UN should do something about it. Same with the other 2 towns I read about Nubbul and Zahra (spelling?!?). I think that the more losses on the ground there are for the terrorists the more brutal the tactics will be. First Homs must be liberated and then the North can be retaken. I hope the international pressure mounts for them to allow the food through.

Posted by: Gehenna | Jul 10 2013 21:36 utc | 34

Fernando at 5, I’ll answer …
So The Syrian government wins, then what happens? It agrees to key U.S./Saudi demand, no Shiite Iran/Iraq/Syria oil/gas pipelines (this would mean having any new version of previously agreed pipelines must tie into Turkish ones), it agrees to continue and advance neoliberal deforms, and it agrees to return to its non-threatening stance toward Israel, including strict low-tech limits on weaponry supplied to Hezbollah. All of the preceding are deals the Syrian leadership is very much inclined toward making.
The Saudis are still going to fret … The Qataris and Bahrainis are still going to keep arguing … [and] The Israelis will remain adamantly against … Iran. Lebanon … So then what? The deal made will de facto put Syria mostly on the U.S./GCC/Turkey/Israel side, but a little bit pro-Hezbollah to retain the needed sliver of credibility with the ‘Arab Street’. The Iran/Iraq Shi’a partnership remains but loses any realistic wider ‘alternative to U.S. empire’ economic ‘threat’ credibility. So, both sides get on more solid, more realistic ground. There will be no Shi’a oil/gas pipeline slashing across the mostly Sunni Middle East. The Gulf and Israel will continue to whine, whimper and/or be bellicose and fear-mongering about Iran, but with less reality to that bitching. That will have to be and probably will be enough to keep the arms makers happy.
Limp along until the next war? Once everybody has caught their breath again? That’s pretty long-term … I think I’m best at speculating short and medium-term.

Posted by: fairleft | Jul 10 2013 22:18 utc | 35

Posted by: b | Jul 10, 2013 9:04:18 AM | 24
how man of the ‘syrian rebels/opposition’ are syrian at all?
Syria: Nobel Peace Laureate Gives Her Account of What She Witnessed In Syria
Video
When Nobel Peace Prize laurete, Mairead Maguire was in Syria she discovered that the people the U.S. are funding are violent groups and do not want peace in Syria. Her her view is that Syria is being used as a proxy war by the U.S., Great Britain, Saudi Arabia and Qatar.
etc
http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article35501.htm

Posted by: brian | Jul 10 2013 22:56 utc | 36

UN – In no uncertain terms wants Hezbollah out of Syria “The Security Council calls upon all Lebanese parties to recommit to Lebanon’s policy of disassociation, to stand united behind President Michel Sleiman in this regard and to step back from any involvement in the Syrian crisis,”
The UN should tread with caution, it’s being bias, and targeting, but does it under a veil of “recommit to Lebanon’s policy of disassociation” it should condemn (Strongly ‘as it does’) ‘ALL’ external entities to step back, get out. Russia made objections and pointed out UN what about ‘al-Qaeda affiliated Jabhat al-Nusra’ and others. I am not Pro-Hezbollah as it’s not my environment, I am just looking at the black and white of the situation – but in this case, fuck it, it is an exception, you get what you cultivate, fire with fire and all that. Unfortunately without Hezbollah assistance the situation would have escalated. I am sure after the event they will retreat and not become a part of the fabric as a power or influence in Syria; but I could be wrong?
State Dept Briefing July 1st: (Now consider the argument in context from Geneva 1)
QUESTION: Is it the assessment now of this Department that Geneva 2 cannot be held in July or August?
MR. VENTRELL: We said we’re not going to put a timeline on it. We think that a negotiated political settlement is the best way to a stable and secure and prosperous Syria, one that respects the rights of all Syrians. We’ve said that you need both sides willing to have participants who are going to be working toward the best interests and the future of all Syrians working toward a Syria that protects the rights of all of its citizens, and that we’re not there yet. But I just don’t want to put a timeline or predict on it.
QUESTION: Okay. So the Government of Syria and its allies, Russia in this case, they say that they are ready to go without any preconditions. On the other hand, you are unable to bring in your allies in the opposition to state the same thing. Could you clarify that?
MR. VENTRELL: Well, it’s true that the opposition is working through some of its leadership issues. We continue to urge them to resolve those leadership issues and speak with a unified voice and be able to negotiate with a unified voice. At the same time, while the regime has played lip service to the idea of negotiations, the truth is they brought in outside actors, Iran and Hezbollah, to continue the slaughter. You saw the strong statements we’ve put out, including about the siege of Homs and our deep concern there. Aerial bombardments continue, and so we remain deeply concerned. And what we want to see is that you need both sides to choose people who will protect, not one side or another, but want to protect all Syrians. And so we haven’t seen a seriousness of purpose from the regime either.
QUESTION: Going back to Geneva 1, a little more than a year ago —
MR. VENTRELL: It is —
QUESTION: A year ago, yesterday, as a matter of fact.
MR. VENTRELL: Indeed, the year anniversary, I believe, was yesterday. So there’s been a year since that.
QUESTION: Do you still have differing views on the points of Geneva 1, or are you able to see more eye to eye with the Russians on what needs to happen for this to succeed?
MR. VENTRELL: I wouldn’t say that we’re at 100 percent agreement on every element of it, but suffice it to say that we are in agreement on one key element, which is that a negotiated settlement that leads to a transitioning governing authority that can protect the rights of all Syrians is the best way forward.
QUESTION: So are you willing to back away or back away from the demand that Assad must step aside before Geneva happens?
MR. VENTRELL: I mean, again, there’s no possibility. Assad has no future leading Syria. He’s clearly lost any sign of legitimacy through the slaughter of his own people, and the Syrian people won’t tolerate it.

Posted by: kev | Jul 11 2013 0:46 utc | 37

Gehenna #12 said “As to Turkey: this is what puzzles me the most. Daily hurriyet has been quite silent to Syria and almost exclusively reports on Turkey’s own troubles and Egypt. My guess is that Erdogan got too much of his own medicine (Reyhanli bombings, JaN members caught with Sarin inside Turkey) and he got disgusted with the quite vocal criticism of the riots in Turkey by the US and EU. That there is some strain is already apparent. From what I gather Turkey is not actively supporting the insurgency in Syria anymore and their obstinate behaviour.”
Very interesting comment. Erdogan is no fool. He sees what happened to MB and the quagmire in Syria. And he’s stubborn to the point of forcing Nethanyahu to say he was sorry for the murder of Turkish activists on that boat heading to Gaza. So if this guy decides he got enough, a reversal of Turkey’s Policy about Syria is highly possible.

Posted by: Greggg | Jul 11 2013 2:11 utc | 38

Anonymous, anonymous
First off, Kareem Ramadan!!
Now 2nd!
Like I have any control over La chele (Penny). Ok, ok I won’t be mean to you anymore, NO LLORES ARGENTINA..
What’s to think about? The FSA, the Fake Syrian Army, is just evil, muy, muy, MUY malos. The Ba’ath government is fighting for its very life against some very nasty people. Have they, the Baath, committed crimes and are they still making mistakes in carrying out their operations?
Certainly.
Are they protecting the Druze, Alawi, assorted Christian minorities as well as the secular and “moderate” Sunnah?
Yes.
The churches and mosques destroyed by these criminals. The fathers taken away, the mothers losing sons, the daughters being raped.
Old Sufi clerics murdered, priests beheaded. Inshallah these bastards must pay.
These “rebels”, they are thiefs, extortionists and rapists. You should focus more on this.
Truth to be told. Many of the patriots fighting to defend their country, they have no love for Dr. Al-Assad. He is simply the rallying point for the defenders of the homeland.
By the way others have also said to just ignore you as well and you never called them “haters” or claimed of them being “obsessed”
3rd
This Latin lover, obsessed with you chula?
If only you were so lucky, Hahahaha.

Posted by: Fernando | Jul 11 2013 6:23 utc | 39

Iran and Iraq reach new electricity, gas deals
Yes this envolves Syria as this is the first leg of the pipeline which will go on to Syria and ‘THE’ major reason, in my opinion, for this attack on the country.

Posted by: too many wtf | Jul 11 2013 9:49 utc | 40

Inshallah these bastards must pay.

Hermano Fernando they will pay, the problem is that Syria and it’s allies have their hand tied. Attack Qatar, Saudi, all the vassal states who support the rats and you will get the USA involved openly. Until Western nations are made to suffer death and destruction on the scale of what they have been inflicting upon others for decades, they will continue instigating wars around the world. Until their cities, estates, their mansions, their wealth and their families are not threatened, they will continue instigating wars around the world. But it will happen, sooner then what the USA thinks. Nature has Karma!

Posted by: hans | Jul 11 2013 9:59 utc | 41

Some excellent HD video (courtesy of Abkhazian Network News ) showing the current progress by Syrian Army .

Posted by: track2 | Jul 11 2013 11:03 utc | 42

Posted by: Greggg | Jul 10, 2013 10:11:38 PM | 38, Found it, put it in the wrong post, sorry (Egypt: Today’s developments) – “Don’t know who posted references to Turkey, read it, but not sure who/where. But this market data is making his decisions more sterile and not as inflamed and it’s hitting home”.
The Central Bank of Turkey (CBRT) has intervened in the foreign exchange market six times already today to prop up the value of the Turkish lira.
Over the course of those six auctions, the central bank has flooded the market with $1.4 billion in hard currency in order to boost the lira against the dollar, but its dodo
The lira has been among the hardest-hit emerging market currencies since May, when rising fears that the Federal Reserve would begin to taper back monetary stimulus sooner than expected hit markets around the world.
Political unrest in Turkey over the past several weeks hasn’t helped the currency.
What you get for stabbing Assad in the back and for the crackdown they did on the people of turkey in one way. Ye the other side;
The OPEC members can manipulate politics in the middle east and Muslim world quietly through their money, although and importantly, above the OPEC food chain, by the elite cabal that owns every central bank in the world including the fed and the CBRT – It could be a warning to stay engaged in the demise of Assad, thoughts?

Posted by: kev | Jul 11 2013 11:14 utc | 43

@Fernando | Jul 11, 2013 2:23:34 AM | 39, You hit the nail on the head: “This Latin lover, obsessed with you chula?” She’ is loved up, and ‘He’ is a radical, I think she is middle class, blonde and a slight misfit,(Cant adjust) or just a little lost, no love in the family etc and that’s what happens when you’re a student, just depends what flicks your switch and who reaches out to you – Years later ‘she’ will look back and think ‘What the fuck was I doing’ but hopefully without remorse, and it was just a fad; unless of course, she is in too deep, and there are no years later…
Otherwise she is just a fanatic and a follower of Morsi, even if not Egyptian??? Thus can’t give any other assumption or rational explination?

Posted by: kev | Jul 11 2013 11:28 utc | 44

Fernando
Thats the problem, you are a hypocrite, a secterian, you refuse to condemn the warcrimes commited by SAA instead, you make another post smearing rebels. And knock that islamophobia off, the fact that you think its ok with racism just shows how inbreed your argument is.

Posted by: Anonymous | Jul 11 2013 12:20 utc | 45

@track2 #41
Great video.

Posted by: Pat Bateman | Jul 11 2013 12:27 utc | 46

@Posted by: track2 | Jul 11, 2013 7:03:33 AM | 41, Any chance of a transcript/translation?

Posted by: kev | Jul 11 2013 12:39 utc | 47

44) Well the Muslim Brothers are not really the beacon of enlightenment themselves, so maybe there should be some reciprocy
Exhibit A MB in English: Christians

Al-Dafrawy Nassef writes: Christian hands are playing with our blood
23/3/2013
After I saw most of the videos of yesterday of killing, burning, and stabbing in an inhumane manner…and I only expected to see such scenes in Syria at the hands of the Alawite Shia…Because only creed can explain attacks of this barbarity and psychological gratification during beatings or killings …For this reason I think that the Church had a prominent role in the incidents…but I can pretty much say with certainty that those killing the Brotherhood youth in this barbaric way are not Muslims, but Christians, and they do it because of their creed and because of the malevolence and hatred inside of them. Although it is not denied that there are some thugs that were paid EGP 500 or EGP 1,000 I don’t think it is enough to shoot someone fatally or stab him to death with this brutality as if it was a revenge killing. So Christian hands play…And no one tell me that I am inviting sectarian strife, but we must not put our hands in the sand. And it was not the first time, for we saw thousands of them at Al-Ittahadeya.
This was originally published in Arabic on the Qalyoubeyya Muslim Brotherhood portal.

It is very much a mirror image of islamophobia.
Look, I know that understanding between Catholic and Protestant Christians is difficult to say the least, it has got nothing to do with Islam where there are many more tendencies than in Christianity – it it just a very good argument for keeping politics and religion separate.

Posted by: somebody | Jul 11 2013 13:31 utc | 48

#47
Where in my #44 post did I ever mentioned the MB?
And refering to a anti-MB blog second-sourcing an alleged “portal” where we get no link to and no author isnt that rational.
“it it just a very good argument for keeping politics and religion separate.”
Its about politics not religion. Besides it makes no sense, as leftist violence and rightwing violence is alive in secular socities.

Posted by: Anonymous | Jul 11 2013 13:52 utc | 49

after Iran joined Turkey on coup in Egypt
PressTV:
“The Turkish ME-envoys are to meet at the Turkish Foreign Ministry headquarters in the capital, Ankara, on Thursday to discuss current events in Egypt and Syria.”

Posted by: some1 | Jul 11 2013 16:42 utc | 50

@Pat Bateman (reply #46): No problems. I would congratulate the ANNA crew for such a great video and incredible Youtube channel that brings footage to the world, that one will not find on RT, CNN or Al Jazeera.
@Kev (reply #47): Transcripts/translation is available on Youtube video frame. Click the closed captions(CC) button [bottom frame- right hand side] for translations in a number of languages, including English.

Posted by: track2 | Jul 11 2013 23:25 utc | 51

Anonympus
Estas totalmente, loca!!
Thats the problem, you are a hypocrite, a secterian, you refuse to condemn the warcrimes commited by SAA instead, you make another post smearing rebels. And knock that islamophobia off, the fact that you think its ok with racism just shows how inbreed your argument is
I duly noted that Syrian Arab Army has made mistakes. I never said they were perfect, they have seriously effed up in some instances. I did admit to that, so your charge of my committing the act of “hypocrisy” is; Inaccurate, incorrect and excessive.
Sectarian; No, I don’t think so. That would imply my being biased towards one group. I hate all of them equally. But you I loooooooove, mi amor!!!
I don’t need to smear the rebels señorita, they are doing fine on their OWN. If being a heart eating cannibal qualifies as being one of the “good guys” in your eyes. Pick up your Pom, poms, andele. Arriba!
Then go ahead cheer away!
And about the islamophobia, I don’t know what the heck you are talking about. I’ve never criticized the religion of the Prophet, alhamdulilah.
You learned how to use the word “smear” from me, hahaha. It shows that you are trying to use my verbiage to argue against me. I like it, loca!!
Por favor, por favor continue. I will continue to teach you.
When the student is ready the teacher shall appear.
Your calling me inbred?
I responded to you previously, perhaps you were not paying attention. I am from Latin America. Racially and culturally diverse. Many, many immigrants from all over the world are here, loving, mixing, marrying & reproducing.
I don’t know why, but Latin America absorbs immigrants much more easily than United States.
I am a leftist politically. Socially, old school. No one is perfect and I have many, many faults.
However racism and inbreeding is thankfully not one of them. Solo Dios es perfecto. Gracias a Dios!
You young lady can stop your mudslinging already. Your giving nice girls a bad name.
Please remain anonymous, Anonympus it’s better for you.
Kev, your killing me Hahahaha!!!
Gracias hermano Hans.

Posted by: Fernando | Jul 12 2013 5:27 utc | 52

According to my info, Saudi Arabia supports the salafists/jihadists. So, I wouldn’t be surprised that after the insurgents have died off Saudi Arabia will continue to support the jihadists and continues to undermine the Assad gov’t. In that regard Assad is “toast” in the long run.
BTW: Same story for the army in Egypt.
In that regard, there’s more at stake for (surprise, surprise) Israel. It will mean that Israel wil become more and more isolated in the Middle East. And that doesn’t bode well for the stability of the Middle East in the (near ??) future. (more war ???).
It will be interesting to see how the “Arab spring” will evolve. There’s simply too much economic/social unrest in too many coutries (Europe, the US, etc). And that unrest WILL have an impact on the Middle East as well. Eventually the people will win, but what will their victory look like ?

Posted by: Willy2 | Jul 12 2013 16:53 utc | 53

Good news!
FSA vs ISIS
ISIS a merger between Al Qaeda In Iraq and Ahrar al Sham are now at war with the FSA. This will shatter all dreams of unity of the insurgency and the more infighting the better it is for the SAA. One could even consider the scenario of some Syrians returning to the fold and fighting with the SAA against the foreigners. ISI(AQI) disgusted the Iraqis eventually with their harsh justice and limitless hatred resulting in the Awakening council. Such a thing could happen in Syria.
The question remains why did ISIS do this? There have been some battles in the past but this is an outright declaration of war. Does it have to do with Saudi Arabia taking up the reins? But it took the reins of the SNC as well so that wouldn’t entirely make sense. ISIS seems now more powerful than Jahbat al Nusra. What will they do? The leadership of AQ is far away and the ruling of Zawahiri that JaN should stay independent of ISI/AQI was ignored. Is this the fracturing of AQ’s franchise system (ignoring the commands)?
Some bad news:
Taliban in Syria
Syria is turning into a magnet for jihadism worldwide. Seems like SA opened up the valves for more cannonfodder into Syria.

Posted by: Gehenna | Jul 12 2013 20:08 utc | 54

@20 @kev
> “Back on topic – today it looks just too clear for all of the short-term, mid-term and long-term considerations for Russia to converge – and that’s the reason why “Russia don’t want” to fail in Syria. It *may* result in some actions but not yet.” – I just can’t interpret or understand any of that, It’s like I would say “I want a cheese sandwich tomorrow and eat a ham sandwich yesterday” . Just nonsensical – I am sure it just a translation thing and I am a little slow today?
What I’m saying is just that Russia needs to keep Syria secular/existing for somewhat various reasons
-short-term – financial – current and future weapons contracts etc
-mid-term – financial – energy deals etc
-long-term – social – if Syria fails, jihadism will come to Russia internal regions (as it comes today slow)
All this goals are lobbied by different groups and none of them is ready to take the responsibility at this point – everyone is just waiting for the troubles to disappear naturally.

Posted by: Sergey | Jul 18 2013 21:58 utc | 55