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July 11, 2013
Open Thread 2013-14
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New World Order kills democracy in Egypt Posted by: and on it goes | Jul 11 2013 17:17 utc | 1 This a very curious and profound display of art. It takes into consideration the issue of the denial of the Palestinian identity: Posted by: Fernando | Jul 11 2013 17:26 utc | 2 some grist for the mill: Posted by: guest77 | Jul 11 2013 17:27 utc | 3 “In 2008, he called for a ‘huge scientific conference’ to analyze ‘what caused the attack against a massive structure like the two towers.'” Posted by: guest77 | Jul 11 2013 17:30 utc | 4 1/ “But Morsi, a longtime leader of the Muslim Brotherhood, has not only evinced sympathy for the embassy attackers, he has also embraced some of the most vile conspiracy theories about 9/11.” Posted by: bevin | Jul 11 2013 17:52 utc | 5 Some articles which highlight Israeli jockeying for Nile water and more on how this came to a head before the coup. Posted by: and on it goes | Jul 11 2013 17:56 utc | 6 Rumsfeld is directly implicated in selling chemical and biological weapons to Saddam. Rumsfeld, the quintessential psychopath, an icon for the governing elite. Posted by: JohnH | Jul 11 2013 18:07 utc | 7 To be sure, Morsi is not the first Egyptian ruler to trade in bigoted conspiracy theories. Posted by: Hoarsewhisperer | Jul 11 2013 18:07 utc | 8 Nastiest possible evidence that the rooftop snipers we discussed yesterday & the day before (a) were army and (b) were not shooting at hypothetical motorcycle-borne provocateurs behind the crowd, but at the crowd itself. Photojournalist Ahmad Samir Assem managed to film himself being fatally shot: Posted by: Rowan Berkeley | Jul 11 2013 18:13 utc | 9 @bevin(4.2) Posted by: guest77 | Jul 11 2013 18:33 utc | 10 For the record that last comment about Morsi being a bigot comes from the WaPo screed I just forgot to extend the quotes. Posted by: and on it goes | Jul 11 2013 18:35 utc | 11 @9 Posted by: guest77 | Jul 11 2013 18:56 utc | 12 “My fear is that they can manipulate society in ways that we can’t even imagine…” Posted by: bevin | Jul 11 2013 19:46 utc | 13 Posted by: bevin | Jul 11 2013 19:53 utc | 15 May be and may be not. Posted by: jo6pac | Jul 11 2013 20:10 utc | 16 Assad realizes he has made a mistake :-))
He probably just made it worse … Posted by: somebody | Jul 11 2013 20:34 utc | 17 NYT has an unusually good article (for them) on the events leading up to the coup. They show that the energy crisis in the last few months was likely engineered by the business-bureaucracy cabal left over from the Mubarak era and that tamarrod was bankrolled by Egypt’s wealthiest man. The gasoline and electricity shortage disappeared within days after the coup. Posted by: ToivoS | Jul 11 2013 21:38 utc | 18 Two items of interest, well worth watching or reading – both thoroughly done Posted by: Northern Night Owl | Jul 11 2013 21:58 utc | 19 @16 You think the NYT could have done a single investigation into who caused all the shortages in Venezuela? Posted by: guest77 | Jul 12 2013 0:31 utc | 20 @Rowan Berkeley | Jul 11, 2013 2:13:58 PM | 7, I dont know why you keep playing that tune dude? Re: Ahmed Assem El-Senousy. An Egyptian photographer working for a newspaper affiliated with the Muslim Brotherhood. Posted by: kev | Jul 12 2013 0:57 utc | 21 Posted by: JohnH | Jul 11, 2013 2:07:02 PM | 5 Posted by: brian | Jul 12 2013 4:28 utc | 22 He probably just made it worse … Posted by: brian | Jul 12 2013 4:29 utc | 23 @7 and 18 Posted by: brian | Jul 12 2013 4:32 utc | 24 12 Posted by: Fernando | Jul 12 2013 5:29 utc | 25 kev 18)
I would not trust the Egyptian state nor army. I hear the US does not make any noises about the President of Egypt and a group of his advisers having been disappeared. They are not charged with anything except having failed as politicians and being stubborn. Posted by: somebody | Jul 12 2013 5:33 utc | 26 5 Posted by: Fernando | Jul 12 2013 5:37 utc | 27 from the outset, i called fukus hullaballoo about *pla hackers * as ROBBER Posted by: denk | Jul 12 2013 5:51 utc | 28 Re: Posted by: kev | Jul 11, 2013 8:57:29 PM | 18
It’s not a tune, and I am not the Mighty Wurlitzer, regurgitating CIA theme songs, or whatever you’re insinuating. If you think that video clip was faked, kindly provide some sources, links, documentary evidence, or corroboration, rather than trying to blind me with military savvy, which i don’t pretend to be able to evaluate. To say that that video clip was faked requires external corroboration, not just your theories. I shall regard it as real until I see something other than your ‘expert opinion’ refuting it. But I shall add your ‘expert opinion’ to my own blog post of the video, for whatever it may eventually turn out to be worth. Posted by: Rowan Berkeley | Jul 12 2013 6:23 utc | 29 @denk #25: Posted by: Dr. Wellington Yueh | Jul 12 2013 7:01 utc | 31 @somebody | Jul 12, 2013 1:33:57 AM | 23, A nice blog actually, thanks for that, makes a change; enjoyed the reading and insight. Seen a few morgues equal or worse, once went in for malaria (Again) my window faced the morgue (Private room luxury). The morgue was basically a outside area no walling and tin roof without walls and rows of battered trolleys, all with corpses, some swelling out looking as if they would burst at any second, my mind could smell the stench although there was none other than Detol. It looked chaotic, no order, the rear had an incinerator, never asked on it’s propose, or did I want to ask. I checked out, did the Gator Aid home treatment, and the local Papaya and potato leaves soup, not sure which one worked, could even be ‘mind over matter’ from seeing the morgue? Posted by: kev | Jul 12 2013 7:18 utc | 32 Dr. Wellington Yueh 28 Posted by: denk | Jul 12 2013 7:28 utc | 33 http://www.lemonde.fr/europe/article/2013/07/10/m-juncker-mis-en-difficulte-par-un-scandale-touchant-les-services-de-renseignement-du-grand-duche_3445454_3214.html Posted by: Mina | Jul 12 2013 8:55 utc | 35 Big boom in canal coming Posted by: jub | Jul 12 2013 9:19 utc | 36 Edward Snowden ‘requests human rights groups meeting’ Posted by: johnf | Jul 12 2013 9:29 utc | 37 I can’t find the full text of Snowden’s letter anywhere but I know it is on facebook, here: Posted by: Rowan Berkeley | Jul 12 2013 11:51 utc | 38 Apparently “the rebels” are “giving up” Homs to the syrian army. Posted by: peter radiator | Jul 12 2013 11:58 utc | 39 Ever wonder why the enemies of the Muslim brotherhood seem to coincide with the enemies of Israel? Posted by: Hilmi Hakim | Jul 12 2013 12:19 utc | 40 @Rowan Berkeley | Jul 12, 2013 2:23:43 AM | 26, I was not beating you up on the subject (Much, I was a bit frontal), just you pushing this more than once when it is clear it’s ‘fishy’ at least in my view. The video is real, the situation is staged, that being said, someone I know swears he has seen that same footage before, so wait out on that (Forage cap guy) – the media has so many varied accounts, the times states he was brought into the morgue 1 day later with a hole in his chest, one day later. Dr. Assem (His Father) said the Brotherhood had “brainwashed” his son and was responsible for his death. Some PSS folks are saying he was set-up, he was an expendable tool, or for a better word ‘A Martyr’ for the cause. Posted by: kev | Jul 12 2013 12:38 utc | 41
It isn’t just the MBs, it’s Sunni Jihadis generally. They put out the requisite condemnations of the Zionist entity, they flirt with the Protocols of the Elders of Zion, they say the Jews did 9/11, they even accuse Assad and Hezbollah of protecting Israel — but how often do any of them attack Jewish targets? The Mumbai Massacre, which murdered a Lubavitcher family; that guy in France murdered some Jewish religious schoolchidren & a teacher; those aren’t typical Sunni Jihadi operations at all, but rather they are double or triple agents, with extensive backgrounds of working for the security services, who go off the rails. Generally, it doesn’t happen. Posted by: Rowan Berkeley | Jul 12 2013 12:40 utc | 42 Turkey is now the wild card and if Erdogan is convinced that the ultimate goal of other actors in the ME is to topple him, we can expect a 180 degrees change in Turkey’s external Policy. http://english.al-akhbar.com/content/islamist-allies-ousted-egypt-what-will-erdogan-do Posted by: Greggg | Jul 12 2013 12:58 utc | 43 36 Posted by: Fernando | Jul 12 2013 14:34 utc | 44 31 Posted by: Fernando | Jul 12 2013 14:38 utc | 45 @TovioS – re shortages in Egypt – the NYT is wrong on this
The Trayvon Martin case in the US is about to finish up. Posted by: guest77 | Jul 12 2013 17:28 utc | 47 President Assad rubs his hands at news of rebel split. The President would be the FSA’s best ally in war against Islamists, says Robert Fisk. – Independent Posted by: Rowan Berkeley | Jul 12 2013 18:50 utc | 48 “Ridiculous, really, when the state can collect enough personal information to likely create a map of your thinking over time.” Posted by: Mooser | Jul 12 2013 19:11 utc | 49 “Racism is alive and well in the US, even if it has become less of an official policy.” Posted by: Mooser | Jul 12 2013 19:15 utc | 50 35 no, it isn’t otherwise Juncker would not have to go.
Same applies to the British press like the Independent.
Somehow this tells me that German and British secret services should have a lot to answer for. Posted by: somebody | Jul 12 2013 20:29 utc | 52 more on state terrorism – Gladio – in German Posted by: somebody | Jul 12 2013 20:50 utc | 53 I haven’t read much Dickens. I avoided it in school, I dreaded the thought of it.
About the capitalists of the day – it will sound shockingly familiar. (The word “millers” means the capitalist business owners, I didn’t understand this definition at first):
Anyway, I’m not through it yet but I am glad to have started it. I recommend it highly. I’d like to try “Tale of Two Cities” next. Posted by: guest77 | Jul 13 2013 1:38 utc | 55 Okay, this may be the most ridiculous journalism fail I have ever seen in my fucking LIFE. And I’m something of a connoisseur of news bloopers. Posted by: guest77 | Jul 13 2013 1:47 utc | 56 guest77 | Jul 12, 2013 9:47:07 PM | 56, That does take the biscuit (Fortune Cookie), that is so fucked. The station issued a statement Friday afternoon acknowledging it had “misidentified the pilots involved.” LOL – understatement! Then “Nothing is more important to us than having the highest level of accuracy and integrity, and we are reviewing our procedures to ensure this type of error does not happen again.” – Ho Ree Chit & Fuk U are fired! Posted by: kev | Jul 13 2013 2:27 utc | 57 guest77 | Jul 12, 2013 9:38:17 PM | 55, The Old Curiosity Shop, darker than most of his stuff but also his humor and the classic good vs. evil, been years (Decades) since I read Dickens. Read a piece how Dickens inspired the movie ‘Dark Knight Rising’ – director Christopher Nolan was inspired by A Tale of Two Cities. Posted by: kev | Jul 13 2013 3:09 utc | 59 Knew it. Alliances have been reshuffled by events in Egypt. Iran is really good at inheriting US policy.
Posted by: somebody | Jul 13 2013 6:24 utc | 60 Time for Syria to do something against israeli attacks. Posted by: Anonymous | Jul 13 2013 9:32 utc | 61
That’s exactly what DEBKAfile are saying: they’re taunting Syria, saying, “what are you, chicken? You talked the talk, now it’s time for you to walk the walk,” etc etc, which will force Assad & Co to say exactly what they said last time, viz: “If we attacked israel that would be exactly the pretext they need to bomb the living daylights out of us.” Incidentally, this is a good example of the fact that DEBKAfile are independent of Israeli military censorship, since DEBKAfile and the military censorship are actually run by one and the same organisation, AMAN, or Israeli military intelligence (not Mossad, which is civilian). Posted by: Rowan Berkeley | Jul 13 2013 10:14 utc | 62 Exactly right Rowan. The pedophile jihadists cheering on Israel yet again. Posted by: hilmi hakim | Jul 13 2013 10:40 utc | 63 Rowan Posted by: Anonymous | Jul 13 2013 10:49 utc | 64 Quite funny how the ‘syrian Peace Conference’ that were supposed to be held this summer simply vanished, reason is of course rebels arent interested in a peaceful solution just like their western backers. Posted by: Anonymous | Jul 13 2013 11:21 utc | 65 As I said before, Anon just does not have a clue @Anon, what guy would say ‘Get off my nuts’ little squirrel – unless of course you are American or US based, or a ‘wanabe’, obliviously young, if not ‘mutton acting as a lamb’, still studying, as you are, and thus fan of Eminem (Also suffered addiction, depression in turn rants, are you using Vicodin? Only ‘House does it well, and that is a TV show)) or a fan of B-Boyz/ DJ Khaled –Say no more… But I will; Posted by: kev | Jul 13 2013 11:22 utc | 66 kev Posted by: Anonymous | Jul 13 2013 11:54 utc | 67 A few articles on Syria that I’ve read in the last 24 hours paint a picture of continuing collapse of the FSA. Assad must be very pleased with developments.
Homs, the third largest city in Syria, being “abandoned” by the rebels will be a massive defeat. Certainly bigger than the Qusayr offensive and also a psychological blow because Homs was the stronghold of the revolution. What’s better than the FSA losing Homs? This:
I reckon this will be most felt in Aleppo where the FSA and Al Nusra are coordinating on their offensive. Meanwhile progress is also continuing in the outskirts of Damascus. Posted by: Colm O’ Toole | Jul 13 2013 13:54 utc | 68 Wow Anon, there’s a whole lot of this “I respectfully leave this convo…” after having done nothing but harass people here for a few weeks. With all due respect (meaning…none at all) I doubt you’re going to get away with a cheap trick like that. This is an open thread after all. Nothing’s off topic. Posted by: guest77 | Jul 13 2013 14:12 utc | 69 From a German War Primer Posted by: guest77 | Jul 13 2013 15:36 utc | 70 In case people think that religious organizations pissing on protest and telling people to wait for a “better life” in the “next world” had gone out of fashion:
There’ll be pie in the sky when you die, don’t you know! Posted by: guest77 | Jul 13 2013 17:28 utc | 71 My sister-in-law just escaped from Aleppo with her children. They are on a bus near Homs. 12 more hours until they reach Beirut airport. She couldn’t speak of what she saw on her trip. Posted by: hilmi hakim | Jul 13 2013 18:07 utc | 72 The charade in Egypt continue, US ambassador rumored to become foreign minister. And the crackdown against MB as a whole, continue, now with bogus accusations! Posted by: Anonymous | Jul 13 2013 19:31 utc | 73 hilmi hikim @ 72 — Best wishes for your sister-in-law’s safe journey. Posted by: jawbone | Jul 13 2013 20:19 utc | 74 oldie but goodie
Posted by: ruralito | Jul 14 2013 0:49 utc | 75 Escobar on RT: “What we see now is nothing compared to what we’ll see in six months… This new administration will be neo-liberal as well. You have to completely reorganize the Egyptian system upside down.” Posted by: guest77 | Jul 14 2013 16:20 utc | 76 http://presstv.com/detail/2013/07/15/313933/egypt-army-plans-sinai-operation/ Posted by: Anonymous | Jul 15 2013 16:44 utc | 77 Funny
EU Bans Member Countries From Cooperation With Israelis In Post-1967 Territories Posted by: kev | Jul 17 2013 10:19 utc | 79 israel comes with new threat against Iran, trying to sabotage possible better relations between US/Iran. What the hell are netanyahu doing on american television anyway?! Posted by: Anonymous | Jul 17 2013 11:00 utc | 80 Re: The Train In Spain … crash. Posted by: Hoarsewhisperer | Jul 25 2013 14:52 utc | 81 [28] Posted by: denk | Jul 25 2013 16:32 utc | 82 Black activist, Cornel West, comments on Obama’s response to verdict on killing of Martin Posted by: Crone | Jul 25 2013 19:13 utc | 83 kosovo, afpak, iraq, somali, yemen, mali, myanmar, philippines, africa…..xinjiang. Posted by: denk | Jul 27 2013 4:53 utc | 84 From the “whatever-happened-to” files, we now must invent a new word for whatever comes after “sheer chutzpah.” Posted by: Monolycus | Jul 27 2013 5:45 utc | 85 |
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