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July 2, 2013
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The immunity of Marine Le Pen has been revoked. She is now open to prosecution on the part of the state. Is it unlawful to now speak your mind? If a 3 dozen Frenchmen celebrated mass in the middle of Riyadh, would the Saudis, just grumble and walk on by? Let them eat cake.
Posted by: Fernando | Jul 2 2013 17:27 utc | 1
– On Egypt
A rant by Cairo-based journalist Patrick Galey
I believe that if you gave two shits about the poor people who gave their lives for the revolution, who paid the ultimate sacrifice so that Egyptians could be free to choose their own leaders, you wouldn’t try to mitigate or explain away a return to military rule – you’d rage against it.
What I remember, moreover, is the people who were killed, tortured and terrorised under SCAF. I remember the blood and the injustice and the horrible, terrifying lack of accountability that comes with autocratic rule. I remember the police blinding people outside the Interior Ministry, when – forget birdshot and teargas – fucking bullets were felling people. I remember seeing the grainy video, recorded on a cellphone of a Masri fan in Port Said, of an Ahly fan being physically beaten to death as the police stood and watched. Now some people are carrying the police on their shoulders. I believe that is a betrayal.
Gideon Lichsfield looks at SCAF’s game plan:
When it became clear that popular support for Morsi and his Muslim Brotherhood was overwhelming, the SCAF allowed him to win but passed a series of sweeping measures just before he took office to consolidate its own power and weaken the office of the president. Morsi’s presidency since then has been a power struggle on two fronts, fighting the SCAF with one hand and repressing liberal, anti-Islamist forces with the other.
These two enemies of Morsi may now have found common cause temporarily. And some liberals, like the journalist Mona Eltahawy, believe this uprising will be the real thing—the event that finally tips the balance of power over to the forces of democracy.
But there’s another interpretation: The pro-democracy activists are serving as the army’s tool. Once it is back in power, the SCAF will be in no hurry to liberalize; indeed, it is likely to only step up the repression against the Muslim Brotherhood
Angry Arab sums it up pretty well:
it does not bode well that the supporters of change and protesters are placing their hopes in the command of the Egyptian Army (the center of foreign powers’s intervention in Egyptian and the enforcers of the Egyptian-Israeli peace treaty). I worry that removing Morsi will be easier than removing Sisi and the rest of the military generals, or removing the power of the remnants. Constant change and shifts are what revolutionary momentum is made of. But there is so much to be done, and the show has just started.
Posted by: Colm O’ Toole | Jul 2 2013 17:49 utc | 2
Fernando
Why even compare Saudiarabia and France? Islamophobic much?
Posted by: Anonymous | Jul 2 2013 18:03 utc | 3
For everybody to enjoy, some beautiful pictures of the Egyptian voters. It may have been too warm at home so they decided spontaneously to take a stroll yesterday
http://english.ahram.org.eg/NewsContentMulti/75513/Multimedia.aspx
Posted by: Mina | Jul 2 2013 18:14 utc | 4
http://www.fromthetrenchesworldreport.com/syria-used-chinese-intel-to-bomb-u-s-arms-shipment/49352
China’s intel helps SAF with a pin point airstrike on a weapons convoy headed to syria from Jordan.
Posted by: Shoes | Jul 2 2013 18:30 utc | 5
@4 What is being built in that humongous construction site near Tahrir?
Posted by: guest77 | Jul 2 2013 18:55 utc | 6
Guest, sorry, I was just wondering the same thing. I’ll ask someone.
Posted by: Mina | Jul 2 2013 19:10 utc | 7
Snowden revelations get legally interesting. This here is a present case of old fashioned Russian spies being sentenced in Germany. Der Spiegel on the legal issues of spying against Germany.
It will be very embarrassing for German authorities not to prosecute.
Posted by: somebody | Jul 2 2013 19:36 utc | 8
I’ve commented before that the real danger of NSA is not snooping, but snuffing, STUXNET-style. Here’s more.
from NYTimes
Edward Snowden’s last job at NSA was “infrastructure analyst.”
It is a title that officials have carefully avoided mentioning, perhaps for fear of inviting questions about the agency’s aggressive tactics: an infrastructure analyst at the N.S.A., like a burglar casing an apartment building, looks for new ways to break into Internet and telephone traffic around the world.
That assignment helps explain how Mr. Snowden got hold of documents laying bare the top-secret capabilities of the nation’s largest intelligence agency, setting off a far-reaching political and diplomatic crisis for the Obama administration.
Mr. Snowden, who planned his leaks for at least a year, has said he took the infrastructure analyst position with Booz Allen Hamilton in Hawaii in March, evidently taking a pay cut, to gain access to a fresh supply of documents.
“My position with Booz Allen Hamilton granted me access to lists of machines all over the world the N.S.A. hacked,” he told The South China Morning Post before leaving Hong Kong a week ago for Moscow, where he has been in limbo in the transit area of Sheremetyevo airport. “That is why I accepted that position about three months ago.”
Infrastructure analysts like Mr. Snowden, in other words, are not just looking for electronic back doors into Chinese computers or Iranian mobile networks to steal secrets. They have a new double purpose: building a target list in case American leaders in a future conflict want to wipe out the computers’ hard drives or shut down the phone system.
If other world governments haven’t considered having such a capability, they’re surely thinking about it now. SecDef Hagel, May 30, 2013
Cyber threats are real. They’re terribly dangerous. They’re probably as insidious and real a threat to the United States — as well as China, by the way — and every nation. This is not a threat just unique to America. It’s unique to no one. It crosses all borders.
So what good are tanks, planes and ships when any country “X” can shut down your whole power grid?
Fine, Bosnia Herzegovina, Algeria, Chechnya, Afghanistan, Morocco, Istanbul, Gaza, the West Bank!!!! YOU CHOOSE!! If any other religion did what the followers of the prophet do in Europa OPENLY and with all their civil guarantees fully protected in any of the aforementioned the reception would be, let’s say warm. You seem a tad intolerant to my views.
An honest opinion can’t be given without being called either a homophobe, islamophobe or anything phobe. My point again is that Marine Le Pen’s immunity was taken away. She has been boxed in the “racist” category for so long she can’t even defend her own “group”.
If she was an Algonquin, or a Bantu tribeswoman asking for the protection of her people, they would make movies about her.
But since she is french, white and European. (Neither of which I am)
People dismiss her. Are we that intolerant, just because she is different?
Posted by: Fernando | Jul 2 2013 19:46 utc | 10
It seems every idiot who said, “Assad must go” is gone.
1. Hamd Bin Gurion Al Thani
2. Sarkozy
3. Hillary the ghoul Clinton
4. And Morsi on the way out
The crazy jihadists must be wondering if Allah is on Bashar’s side after all.
Posted by: Hilmi Hakim | Jul 2 2013 19:48 utc | 11
Fernando
Please take that islamophobic nonsense elsewhere. Are you really defending the Le Pen family? Really?
Posted by: Anonymous | Jul 2 2013 19:49 utc | 12
It seems to me that Fernando has a point. But, I could be a self hating Muslim.
Posted by: Hilmi Hakim | Jul 2 2013 19:54 utc | 13
Your intolerance knows no bounds, my good man!! Haha!!
Now you attempt to shame me for having an opinion too???
My, haven’t we become the little despot today, havent we??
Ya sadeek, I object to the fact that all you can read is anti-Islam in my comments. I have stated the truth. As a pro palestinian, student of Islam and arabic as I am. I even more so rotundly object.
Having been in the refugee camps in Palestine and encountered the warmth and love there of my brothers there. I will not allow you to smear me. I will not stand with anyone who oppress another human being. However when one hears the truth, it’s still the truth. Marine Le Pen with all her ugly rhetoric stands for the independence and stability of the nation-state. Will I ever shake her hand, no way.
Posted by: Fernando | Jul 2 2013 20:10 utc | 14
Fernando
Thats the issue, why do you defend immunization?
Posted by: Anonymous | Jul 2 2013 20:42 utc | 15
@9Fernando
I have no time for racists of any kind, but they are entitled to voice their opinions, and I defend their right to do so.
The history of laws against “hate speech” “holocaust denial” and all the other excuses for abridging the rights of free speech invariably end up being used against the oppressed. Just as laws against terrorism are exploited to suppress political dissidents.
On the other hand, Fernando, having freed yourself from the idiocy of automatically seconding any laws which can be used against fascists, you might want to consider taking the further step of thinking before repeating bourgeois, racist nonsense like:
“If she was an Algonquin, or a Bantu tribeswoman asking for the protection of her people, they would make movies about her.”
They wouldn’t: the plundering of and deliberate genocide of the first nations of Canada (and of Africa) have never ceased. No peoples are as unprotected by the system which includes film-makers.
Little is left of the ancient and vibrant cultures which taught humanity that a proper regard for nature and community must be preserved. The road to ecocide is paved with the cultures of capitalism’s victims. And the culture that replaces them is often little more than wisecracks, cynical gibes and cheap sneers borrowed from the court jesters of cannibalism.
Posted by: bevin | Jul 2 2013 20:44 utc | 16
Guest
I have asked. It has been in construction for a while already. Might be a mall to connect to the metro station underneath. But without economic activity they probably see no reason to finish it.
On another issue, maybe the two trolls are some of these “experts” they have at the EU and in the thinktanks. Completely out of touch.
Good summary of the last 24 hours here
http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/07/02/us-egypt-protests-idUSBRE95Q0NO20130702
Posted by: Mina | Jul 2 2013 20:49 utc | 17
@Fernando
The whole policy of the French authorities, at least since they aligned themselves with the Atlantists, has been to insideously portray French Muslims as a menace to the civil society and the western way of living. They have also started to actively participate since 3 or 4 years ago in a campaign of divide and conquer of the islamic countries by faumenting sectarian war everywhere they can. One direct bonus they want to collect from this policy is again to show to their public how muslims are a bunch of savages, un-civilized and un-worthy of freedom and better life.
By targeting Marine Lepen they tune-up and balance their credential for the French population to see by displaying an “anti-racist” atitude, which is in reality a fake and rotten show.
For those looking for freedom and justice, the real issues are not the quarel between Hollande and Lepen nor is Islam a menace for them, but those rotten and fake policies.
Posted by: ATH | Jul 2 2013 20:52 utc | 18
Thank you Bevin & ATH, for actually speaking and listening to me instead of just trying to shut me down. As usual MoA is a place where minds and thoughts can meet , sometimes we clash but it wouldn’t be fun otherwise!
Posted by: Fernando | Jul 2 2013 21:00 utc | 19
Mina @ 4:Thanks for the link. Incredible, the numbers of people on the streets. Wish the people of Egypt all the best in their quest for change, but, can’t help feeling they’ll end up being sheep to be sheared by some group or another representing the interests of the empire. Any force standing up for the masses of Egyptians will surely be strangled in it’s crib.
Posted by: ben | Jul 2 2013 21:03 utc | 20
Twenty Snowden asylum requests.
Ten closed: Austria, Finland, India, Ireland, Norway, Poland, Spain, Ecuador, Russia and Brazil
Ten open: : Bolivia, China, Cuba, France, Germany, Iceland, Italy, the Netherlands, Nicaragua, Switzerland or Venezuela.
I find this, on Brazil’s move to help the 99%, interesting. Time will tell if the 1%ers will let them implement their plans.
http://therealnews.com/t2/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=31&Itemid=74&jumival=10386
Posted by: ben | Jul 2 2013 21:24 utc | 23
@22 It’s certainly a beautiful example of how to deal with protests instead of using teargas and truncheons.
That’s true leadership.
Morsi, Erdogan, and Bloomberg could all learn a thing from President Rousseff.
Posted by: guest77 | Jul 2 2013 21:41 utc | 24
Outlawing hate speech is very insidious as are the various hate enhancement laws that apply to criminal acts. Marie Le Pen’s speech would be fully protected in the US, but Europe seems to have different laws.
There is a move inside the US to legally define opposition to Israeli oppression of the Palestinian people as anti-semitism. Anti-semitism is the basis for hate enhancement to any criminal charge, such as disorderly conduct or unlawful assembly. So far this definition has appeared on the official US State Dept web site (the overt acts of the BDS movement fit this definition) and it was adopted by the California legislature in some kind of resolution. The Zionist claim that this definition is now the official EU position. So far I have not seen this definition show up in any criminal complaint but it is not difficult to see something like this happening soon.
In any case, it is in our interests to support even a fascist like Le Pen to protect our own rights.
Posted by: ToivoS | Jul 2 2013 22:03 utc | 25
I found this interesting.
BUENOS AIRES, Argentina (JTA) — The Jewish ex-interior minister of Argentina will be investigated for his ties to the AMIA Jewish center bombing.
http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=f38_1372720943
Another false flag?
Posted by: Anonymous | Jul 2 2013 22:35 utc | 26
Videos of Syrian rebels firing high-powered rockets, uploaded within the past few days:
(1) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZHYhxE4IHys (viewable in HD, 720p). Additional footage from the same scene at http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BFu3s2PpVXA
(2) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rMv-w000BcI (viewable at 480p resolution). Additional footage from the same scene at http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3MEEVgzYQjk
(3) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AkIsy_x0Igo (poorly mounted launcher, must be terribly inaccurate).
By the way, for hardware enthusiasts: From Russia, a nice demonstration of a tank-mounted 24-barrel rocket-launcher in operation, the rockets carring “thermobaric” explosives (TOS = тяжёлая огнемётная система): http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wd-NTv2H-u8
Reuters Top News @Reuters 8m
Bolivia officials say Morales’ presidential plane denied air permits by Portugal and France – possibly over Snowden case #breaking
Ridiculous
Posted by: guest77 | Jul 2 2013 22:36 utc | 28
historical fun – Der Spiegel from 1989 – “wiretapped by a friend”
1975 – The Chuzch”>https://www.cia.gov/library/center-for-the-study-of-intelligence/csi-publications/csi-studies/studies/winter99-00/art4.html”>Chuzch committee
Several weeks after the Committee issued its final report, I walked over to the House side of the Capitol to attend a hearing of the subcommittee chaired by Bella Abzug, the “gentlewoman” from New York, as she was referred to by her colleagues. Her hearings brought to mind the days of Nero, when Christians were thrown to the lions for sport. Ms. Abzug’s “red meat” that particular day consisted of executives from RCA Global, ITT International, and Western Union International. As I leaned back against the wall of the hearing room, I saw many of those I had met months before.
Berating the witnesses as only she could, Ms. Abzug made it clear she “stood solidly for the privacy of the American people and squarely against the corporate thugs of this country who thought they could run roughshod over the rights of the American people.” (I am paraphrasing here.) I knew they were getting a bum rap, but they had no defenders that day. One of their attorneys turned and caught my eye in the back of the room, nodding grimly as if to say I told you so.
And the companies’ troubles would not end there. In the weeks that followed, they would be sued by a group of people claiming their rights had been violated by the SHAMROCK program.
As I walked back to the Senate side after the hearing that day, it occurred to me that none of this would be happening if not for me. Yet I hardly felt like gloating. Indeed, I was somewhat shaken to see the consequences I had predicted to Fritz Schwarz a few months before come to pass. For the moment, I was overcome by doubt. Had we, in fact, “poisoned the well” in terms of future cooperation with the private sector, as Dr. Tordella had feared?
Because I decided to stay in government and, indeed, served in positions that offered a vantage point, I came to see that relations between intelligence agencies and the private sector endured. Lawyers became more involved than they used to be, but questions of legality were no longer ignored or unresolved. Agreements were put in writing and signed by the responsible officials.
I also came to think that the investigation, in the long term, had a beneficial effect on NSA. With no desire to undergo another such experience, NSA adopted very stringent rules in the wake of the Church Committee to ensure that its operations were carried out in accordance with applicable law. Where the communications of US citizens were concerned, I can attest from my personal experience that NSA has been especially scrupulous. As upsetting and demoralizing as the Church Committee’s investigation undoubtedly was, it caused NSA to institute a system which keeps it within the bounds of US law and focused on its essential mission. Twenty-three years later, I still take some satisfaction from that.
I hear US citizens are calling for a new Church Committe – why repeat something that has been clearly unsuccessfull?
Posted by: somebody | Jul 2 2013 22:45 utc | 29
ungreateful France and Portugal proves to be US lackeys by refusing Bolivia presidenst plane use of airspace
’22:21 GMT: After departing from Russia the plane of Bolivian President Evo Morales was forced to make an emergency landing in Austria. Bolivian authorities denied rumors that Edward Snowden was on board, though the fugitive whistleblower did send a political asylum request to Bolivia that has yet to be answered; he also petitioned Austria but was rejected.
Reports indicated the plane made previous attempts to land in France and Portugal but was denied because of the possibility that Snowden was on board. ‘
http://rt.com/usa/nsa-leak-snowden-live-updates-482/
didnt Obama say he wasnt interested inn diverting the cuba bound plane with Snowden on board? Eithe F and P rushed to prove their loyalty to the Evil Empire or Obama was lying and US regime has a good record do the latter.
People should tweet the F abnd P embassies in their countries and shame them
esp as EU is supposed to be outraged by whatSnowden revealed about their MASTERS behaviour
Posted by: brian | Jul 2 2013 22:50 utc | 30
Posted by: guest77 | Jul 2, 2013 6:36:47 PM | 27
or loyal servants…they are hoping that the MASTER will give them a nice bone
Posted by: brian | Jul 2 2013 22:50 utc | 31
typical EU, condemn US but refuse to embrace the whistleblower.
Posted by: Anonymous | Jul 2 2013 23:03 utc | 32
hacking for empire
http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2013/07/hacker-jester-targets-assange-snowden-ecuador
Posted by: brian | Jul 2 2013 23:17 utc | 33
Posted by: Anonymous | Jul 2, 2013 7:03:26 PM | 31
the ‘democracies’ esp in west prove to be lackeys for empire and warmongers
Posted by: brian | Jul 2 2013 23:18 utc | 34
@32 Yeah that “The Jester” is a real piece of garbage.
Posted by: guest77 | Jul 2 2013 23:25 utc | 35
typical EU, condemn US but refuse to embrace the whistleblower.
The way it works: A phone call from a foreign pol to his handler at the local US embassy — “I’m going to say blah-blah because my constituents demand it, I really don’t have a choice, you understand. But rest assured there will be nothing of substance done regarding this matter. See you at the golf course Thursday at eight.”
somebody #28 I hear US citizens are calling for a new Church Committe – why repeat something that has been clearly unsuccessfull?
Because at the time it was successful. It took the national security state another 20 years to undo what the Church Comm accomplished. This is struggle that does not end. In 1798 there was the Alien and Sedition Act passed by that great patriot John Adams. It took a decade to get of it. In the 1920s we had the Palmer raids. That hysteria was discredited after a decade. In the 1950s the McCarthy hearings that again took about a decade to defeat. The Church hearings unraveled many of the police state policies that Hoover had set up to attack the civil rights and antiwar movements. Everyone of those events were eventually reversed by the police state enthusiasts. Today we have an opportunity to inflict another tactical defeat on them. Unfortunately, they will be back and future generations of progressives will have to take them on again.
Posted by: ToivoS | Jul 3 2013 0:40 utc | 37
“Because at the time it was successful”
Sorry I have to disagree. One of the most insidious things about so-called leftist thinking in amerika over the 2nd half of the 20th century was the effective way that amerikans were convinced by their leftist leaders that they, by dint of being amerikans, were some sort of special case.
The Church committee may have placed a few controls over the espionage acts by amerikan agencies against amerikan citizens but in actuality it made bugger all difference to the security state’s access to information.
Because no restrictions were placed on illegal acts in other jurisdictions, the agencies used their ‘five eyes’ or echelon style agreements to get other states to spy on their citizens for them.
It is important to remember that pre 911 & the patriot act, the security state was close to 100% focussed upon amerikan citizen’s interactions with foreign states. Since totally amerikan based sedition was almost exclusively right wing, there was no interest in going overboard gathering data on purely domestic activities which were not seen as posing any real danger to the empire.
So when amerika needed to listen in to amerikan citizens phone calls or read their snail mail, it was exchanges with foreigners that most interested them. So all they needed to do was ask one of the 2nd level partners (Canada, england, australia or nz) to conduct the actual operation & then pass the product or whatever they call it, back to the cia, nsa or fbi.
As soon as the focus changed to anti-terra after 911 the amerikan leadership did as they have always done – that is threw the constitutional protections overboard at the time when they were actually needed and set about spying on their population.
The most charitable description I can give to Frank Church & his committee is that they were well meaning fools.
Trouble is old Church never struck me as being particularly stupid – that leads to the inevitable conclusion that he was the dedicated organiser of a propaganda strategy.
Sure Church made it look as though he had put in place a means of controlling imperial dirty tricks abroad, but all the changes did was give Congress the power to deny funding for so called ‘dirty tricks’. There was no real sanction against amerikans or amerikan agencies which carried out these stunts but sourced the money elsewhere.
Even if it meant killing thousands of amerikans with drugs to get the money to finance rape & genocide.
Nicaragua was just after Church. The contras won ollie north cops a medal and gary webb gets a bullet.
Posted by: debs is dead | Jul 3 2013 1:37 utc | 38
@36/37, Not that I agree with the Church, and not an avid fan, but it has been a fruitful tool, more so when dealing with marginalized populations. Take the first major ‘Spring’ or ‘people power movement’, and going back some decades, the Philippines, it was the Church that managed a more or less peaceful ‘outing’ of the Marcos regime. However, the negative side is then pushing its own ideologies, and equally as corrupt in doing so, and keeps poverty going, as that is its largest following and likewise the income, but generally without the little things like weapons, killings, etc – I could live with that given the choice…
Re: Pres Plane Bolivia – Airspace bully’s, who done it? USA – They are fucking high! Well payback is nothing to be sniffed at, in fact it will leave this type of dirty tactic snorting in line. Such white lies are from paranoia and thinking that is just euphoric in nature, but one must come down.
Dear Bolivia; cut all cocaine exports to the US, and negotiate with Colombia to do the same, within days you would see all US politicians, rich and famous, even gang bangers (Making crack) panicking and killing each other, with top bids trying to check first into decent rehabs, get new supply and would lead the total collapse of Obama care since withdrawal and sheer number of adicts will overburden the Healthcare system, in fact the 3 million+ incarcerated alone would riot.
Can you imagine no Coke, ‘H’, meth etc etc in the US for a month! The place would be a War zone, 100% carnage!!!
Posted by: kev | Jul 3 2013 3:20 utc | 40
So these protests, first in Turkey, and now in Egypt. Do these protesters understand democracy? Someone gets elected, he serves his term and then you have an other election. Democracy requires the supporters of the losing candidates to accept defeat and deal with having their country run by someone they may hate.
These Egyptian protesters should be gearing up for the next election rather than trying to oust Morsi with a Tahrir Square temper tantrum. Their numbers are impressive but are miniscule compared to the whole Egyptian electorate. These protestors are probably mostly well-off city folks and not representative of the more religious and conservative overall population. Real democracies can’t be held hostage to protests demanding regime-change (short of a major crime or abuse by the executive). Has Morsi committed such a crime? I think b and others are being too uncritical of these protesters who are trying to get “do-overs” of elections their side has lost. Personally I’d love to see some of these leaders go down in flames but not at the expense of a democratic system – which is exactly what will happen today if the military steps into depose Morsi.
Posted by: J. Bradley | Jul 3 2013 4:35 utc | 41
good to see you commenting more, Debs.
and since this is an open thread, I’ll mention the Rainbow Family of Living Light is having their gathering in Montana this year, and I’m trying my damnedest to avoid total annoyance.
Posted by: lizard | Jul 3 2013 5:04 utc | 42
37) Debs, obviously, you are right.
Let me add – a lot is also done by private subcontracting.
If you want change, you have to offer civil servants employment for life and forbid them to work for any firm that bids for public contracts should they leave their employment. You also have to stop outsourcing for security. And you have to sanction breaches of the constitution by sending people to jail.
As is, lots of the US espionage is for economic, industrial reasons. Private contractors get rich by the data they own – are there any limits in whom they sell it to ? Who is using the information on the stock exchange? Is there any – expensive – internal security? If Snowden had the access he claims he had, there is none. Snowden went public and a lot of people are probably just selling the stuff.
The Web industry is working on Web 3.0, for that you need to link all the data bases. And the target is the consumer and the citizen.
People in the US are brainwashed by “the state is evil, private enterprise is good”. It is possible by a people to control the state. It is impossible for a people to control the state when public service equals business.
The Church committee probably succeeded in shaming a few people. Change does not need the shaming of people, all you need is to change the incentives in the system.
Posted by: somebody | Jul 3 2013 5:52 utc | 43
16 mursi supporters dead, is this the violence “mina”, “guest77”, “mr pragma” defend?
Posted by: Anonymous | Jul 3 2013 6:21 utc | 44
43) you sure about who did the shooting and who got killed?
Mursi asked his followers to defend the revolution. This means civil war as Egypt is clearly split. The army is justified to step in this way to prevent the worst.
Let’s assume Mursi and the Muslim Brotherhood still have 50 to 60 percent of Egyptians’ trust (just for the sake of argument, they probably have not).
They still have to coexist with 40 percent of Egypt.
Posted by: somebody | Jul 3 2013 6:56 utc | 45
Seems quite a few people had automatic weapons at Cairo university
Obviously, Egyptian politicians are useless – to let something like this to be fought out on the streets.
Does anybody know what the army will do?
Posted by: somebody | Jul 3 2013 7:03 utc | 46
somebody
Again 16 “mursi supporters” dead, are you one of those like in the syrian case that blame alawi deaths on the syrian gov?
MB have been peaceful for some 30 years, the protesters apparently doing everything to destroy that and apparently, quite a few here support that violent trajectory.
Posted by: Anonymous | Jul 3 2013 8:50 utc | 47
And Israel screamed “Hizbullajh!!!”
Jewish ex-Argentina minister faces probe in bombing
BUENOS AIRES, Argentina (JTA) — The Jewish ex-interior minister of Argentina will be investigated for his ties to the AMIA Jewish center bombing.
The Buenos Aires Federal Appeals Court last week ordered the probe of Carlos Vladimir Corach in connection with an illegal payment of $400,000 to Carlos Telleldin, an auto mechanic who was among those charged in the 1994 attack that left 85 dead and hundreds wounded.
…
The three Appeals Court justices called on Federal Judge Ariel Lijo to investigate “the existence of concrete allegations involving Carlos Vladimir Corach, which have not been investigated until now” regarding the illegal payment to Telleldin.
Corach was interior minister during the Carlos Menem government in the 1990s. He was responsible for obtaining the building for the Holocaust Museum of Buenos Aires and was the main speaker at its inauguration.
If true file under “typical”
47 )MB have been peaceful for some 30 years, the protesters apparently doing everything to destroy that and apparently, quite a few here support that violent trajectory.
:-))
no, as b. said to let a divided young country fight it out on the streets is madness. What did Mursi do to prevent this? Isn’t he responsible as president? Wouldn’t it make sense to step down if he cannot influence the outcome?
Posted by: somebody | Jul 3 2013 11:47 utc | 49
@Anon “16 mursi supporters dead, is this the violence “mina”, “guest77”, “mr pragma” defend?”
Obnoxious overblown statements. No one defends violence, you ass.
I could just as easily say you drank some of the blood of those four Shia men who were lynched and blame you the first time an Egyptian “volunteer” hacks off the head of a Syrian.
You can’t seem to be able to separate debate from personal attack. You really need to quite being such a penis. Arnold Evans has offered 20 times the insights with none of the irritating self-aggrandizement. You really could learn a thing or 50 from him.
Posted by: guest77 | Jul 3 2013 13:17 utc | 51
guest77
Thats the problem you support the mob but only when they do as you want. Thats very dangerous.
Posted by: Anonymous | Jul 3 2013 13:23 utc | 52
How many of these ‘anonymous’ trolls are there, bernard?
Posted by: Rowan Berkeley | Jul 3 2013 13:25 utc | 53
For me, I lost Morsi the very moment he invited that idiot Qaradawi to Egypt and closed Syria’s embassy..He doesn’t even have the guts to close the Israeli embassy but can close the Syrian one???
This is MB at the service of rabbit Zionists…
Posted by: Zico | Jul 3 2013 13:34 utc | 54
Anonymous @ 55
Why wouldnt he invite Qaradawi?
What good can that charlatan bring Egypt other than divide the people??? His sectarian bigotry and ignorance of the very religion he claims to practice is why he shouldn’t have been invited to Egypt in the first place. Ever since his visit, sectarian tensions, which was almost non-existent in Egypt, went through the roof overnight. A clear example is the murder of the Shia scholar with his men..if this is progress for you, then I weep for Egypt.
Mubarak was bad but the MB have shown not only can they not govern, but are worse for the Egypt’s social fabric and future.
Posted by: Zico | Jul 3 2013 14:44 utc | 56
Zico
Well you view it from your perspective, in that region he seems to be pretty popular. Actually anti-shia discrimation attacks were common during Mubarak and even pushed by Mubarak himself.
Dont have that idealistic view, things will never get 100% perfect.
Posted by: Anonymous | Jul 3 2013 14:56 utc | 57
Zico 54: “Rabbit zionists”, do you mean rabbis or rabid?
Posted by: Rowan Berkeley | Jul 3 2013 14:57 utc | 58
Rowan Berkeley @ 58
I meant to say rabid..Thanks for pointing out…
Posted by: Zico | Jul 3 2013 14:58 utc | 59
The Ahram photo gallery did not load for me. > 15 pictures of Egypt demo you won’t see in the MSM. – Nothing startling, violent, or bloody:
http://directorblue.blogspot.com.es/2013/07/15-photos-from-tahrir-square-protests.html
Fernando’s posts.
Likely, this will make Marine Le Pen’s popularity soar.
Not only because many in F agree with what she said (or supposedly stated or whatever) but because some want others than Holocaust deniers or anti-semites prosecuted under the ‘racial hate’ laws, fair is fair, etc. Then there are all those for free speech and a free press! Plus the lousy Socialists who understand that bashing Le Pen is counter to their long term interests. Heh.
Both Le Pen and Mélenchon (Left) are calling for support for Snowden, in the form of immediate political asylum. They seem to quarreling about who spoke up first!
Le Pen supports a Palestinian State. (Her father supported the Palestinians, full stop.) A two-state groupie, which is coherent with her other positions and efforts towards a new respectability. Nationalism uber alles, it makes sense from her platform.
Note: Sarkozy, Mélenchon, Hollande, (as well as many Govmts world wide) have all stated pretty much exactly the same at one time or another. An easy way out, a pious way to delay and be inactive.
one link that goes in this direction, le monde, in F:
http://israelpalestine.blog.lemonde.fr/2012/04/11/palestine-le-programme-commun-hollande-melenchon-sarkozy/
Or that F does not know how to deal with any entity that is not a Nation-State, prefers fractioning territories … for its own interests…
The most gingerly, holding back, has been imho Hollande, in contrast to Sarkozy’s presumed strong ties to Jewishness and Isr.’s ‘adoption’ and cheering of him, which was expected to lead to supportive action(s) – Jewish roots, presumed half Jewish, and right-wing, a dream! Isr. emitted a postal stamp in his honor before he was elected!
Isr. was sorely disappointed. One ex.
http://www.timesofisrael.com/former-french-president-slams-israel-at-fundraiser/
Immigrants of course are another matter!
So this was all about France, but it is quite representative of other EU countries.
Posted by: Noirette | Jul 3 2013 15:56 utc | 60
“Discrimination against the Shiites was common under Mubarak” ? No one says the US allies are angels. Look at the Gulf. But it seems you support lynching?
According to the “democracy and legitimity” guys here, demonstrations should simply be forbidden. I guess I understand why you support Qardawi.
P.S.: Could you stop to distort fact and say just one thing that would show you have been to Egypt at least once?
Posted by: Mina | Jul 3 2013 18:20 utc | 61
Mina
Atleast have the courage to refer to the one you are making a reply to.
Posted by: Anonymous | Jul 3 2013 18:58 utc | 62
Speaking of Israel screaming, “Hibollah:” In its ongoing efforts to get the EU to declare Hezbollah a terrorist organization, Israel is pushing trumped up charges against Lebanese businessmen in all sorts of foreign parts, most lately in Nigeria:
The main charge that led to the men’s arrest linked them to a questionable weapons cache. But the weapons found by police were old and rusting, having clearly been stored in inappropriate conditions.
A source close to the defendants said that the house where the weapons were found was originally owned by a former army general who was active in the Nigerian civil war – 40 years ago. He denies that the men are linked in any way to the weapons or any armed activity.
The three Lebanese men have been charged with terrorism by virtue of their membership in Hezbollah even though the Nigerian government does not consider the party a terrorist organization. This is the lawyer’s defense for the upcoming July 8 court date when he’ll ask the court to drop all charges.
As usual, Israel is connected to this debacle. An Israeli security official told a Western newspaper, “The security cell that was arrested is part of a Shia terror campaign targeting the West and Israel.” It is interesting that the Israeli official did not limit his accusations to Hezbollah but rather included the entire Shia sect.
Yet perhaps the strongest evidence of Israeli meddling in the investigation came from a source close to the detainees who claimed that a Mossad team was allowed to interrogate and investigate the defendants.
Israeli Objectives
Israel has always paid special attention to Nigeria, having signed several trade and industrial agreements with the African country. Yet since 2006, visits by Israeli presidents and security officials to Nigeria focused on signing security agreements and finalizing weapons deals. Nigeria specialists say that the Mossad’s close relations with Nigerian security agencies is not concealed in any way.
Israel hopes to accomplish several goals with these accusations. It seeks to pressure international, and especially European, public opinion to list Hezbollah, or at least its so-called armed wing, as a terrorist group. Another aim is to create fissures in Hezbollah by falsely accusing Lebanese businessmen and shutting down their businesses.
The US and Israel have different ways of targeting Lebanese in Africa. While the US treasury department accuses Lebanese of supporting terrorist organizations, Israel colludes with African security agencies to fabricate charges.
Posted by: Rusty Pipes | Jul 4 2013 0:04 utc | 63
64 :-))
this here is also good
The NSA comes recruiting – the mob and the multitude
Posted by: somebody | Jul 6 2013 8:49 utc | 65
John Pilger: Forcing Down Evo Morales’s Plane Was an Act of Air Piracy
John Pilger, Thursday 4 July 2013
Imagine the aircraft of the president of France being forced down in Latin America on “suspicion” that it was carrying a political refugee to safety – and not just any refugee but someone who has provided the people of the world with proof of criminal activity on an epic scale.
Imagine the response from Paris, let alone the “international community”, as the governments of the west call themselves. To a chorus of baying indignation from Whitehall to Washington, Brussels to Madrid, heroic special forces would be dispatched to rescue their leader and, as sport, smash up the source of such flagrant international gangsterism. Editorials would cheer them on, perhaps reminding readers that this kind of piracy was exhibited by the German Reich in the 1930s.
The forcing down of Bolivian President Evo Morales’s plane – denied airspace by France, Spain and Portugal, followed by his 14-hour confinement while Austrian officials demanded to “inspect” his aircraft for the “fugitive” Edward Snowden – was an act of air piracy and state terrorism. It was a metaphor for the gangsterism that now rules the world and the cowardice and hypocrisy of bystanders who dare not speak its name.
In Moscow, Morales had been asked about Snowden – who remains trapped in the city’s airport. “If there were a request [for political asylum],” he said, “of course, we would be willing to debate and consider the idea.” That was clearly enough provocation for the Godfather. “We have been in touch with a range of countries that had a chance of having Snowden land or travel through their country,” said a US state department official.
The French – having squealed about Washington spying on their every move, as revealed by Snowden – were first off the mark, followed by the Portuguese. The Spanish then did their bit by enforcing a flight ban of their airspace, giving the Godfather’s Viennese hirelings enough time to find out if Snowden was indeed invoking article 14 of the Universal Declaration of Human Rights, which states: “Everyone has the right to seek and to enjoy in other countries asylum from persecution.”
Those paid to keep the record straight have played their part with a cat-and-mouse media game that reinforces the Godfather’s lie that this heroic young man is running from a system of justice, rather than preordained, vindictive incarceration that amounts to torture – ask Bradley Manning and the living ghosts in Guantánamo.
Historians seem to agree that the rise of fascism in Europe might have been averted had the liberal or left political class understood the true nature of its enemy. The parallels today are very different, but the Damocles sword over Snowden, like the casual abduction of Bolivia’s president, ought to stir us into recognising the true nature of the enemy.
Snowden’s revelations are not merely about privacy, or civil liberty, or even mass spying. They are about the unmentionable: that the democratic facades of the US now barely conceal a systematic gangsterism historically identified with, if not necessarily the same as, fascism. On Tuesday, a US drone killed 16 people in North Waziristan, “where many of the world’s most dangerous militants live”, said the few paragraphs I read. That by far the world’s most dangerous militants had hurled the drones was not a consideration. President Obama personally sends them every Tuesday.
In his acceptance of the 2005 Nobel prize in literature, Harold Pinter referred to “a vast tapestry of lies, upon which we feed”. He asked why “the systematic brutality, the widespread atrocities” of the Soviet Union were well known in the west while America’s crimes were “superficially recorded, let alone documented, let alone acknowledged”. The most enduring silence of the modern era covered the extinction and dispossession of countless human beings by a rampant US and its agents. “But you wouldn’t know it,” said Pinter. “It never happened. Even while it was happening it never happened.”
This hidden history – not really hidden, of course, but excluded from the consciousness of societies drilled in American myths and priorities – has never been more vulnerable to exposure. Snowden’s whistleblowing, like that of Manning and Julian Assange and WikiLeaks, threatens to break the silence Pinter described. In revealing a vast Orwellian police state apparatus servicing history’s greatest war-making machine, they illuminate the true extremism of the 21st century. Unprecedented, Germany’s Der Spiegel has described the Obama administration as “soft totalitarianism”. If the penny is falling, we might all look closer to home.
http://boliviarising.blogspot.ca/2013/07/john-pilger-forcing-down-evo-moraless.html
Posted by: brian | Jul 7 2013 0:55 utc | 66
good servants are hard to find: but US found them in spanish portuguese and french regimes
it was the spanish ambassador to austria that demanded boliiv let him search their plane ‘Morales has said that while the plane was parked in Vienna, the Spanish ambassador to Austria arrived with two embassy personnel and they asked to search the plane. He said he denied them permission.’ http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2013/jul/05/european-states-snowden-morales-plane-nsa
Posted by: brian | Jul 7 2013 0:57 utc | 67
Just to change the there a little:
NEWS: Ban Chinese lanterns before they cause a fatal fire, warns Lib Dem MP
The lantern are ‘Innocent’ and not a crazed epidemic that is a security risk to the Country, this should not be news, if so ban Guy Fawkes, statistics: more carnage every year than a candle light float.
Mr Randeniya said the fire, which began at about 23:00 BST on Sunday, had taken eight minutes to take hold after a lantern landed in the depot.
What I do find strange -Fire crews are expected to remain at the recycling plant today, where they have been using plant machinery to “break up” bales of plastic to get at the heart of the blaze. So these lanterns were inside the bales, lanterns’ with boring tech, cunning.
I love some comments on site; “I can never quite believe that these things were ever allowed in the first place. They should have been banned years ago. I often come across mangled bits of burnt wire and paper when out walking”. Where the fuck are you walking, I have never seen one wreckage in my entire life and been to so many events using Lanterns! In fact more car crashes, arson and other ‘Fire’ caused events are far more occurring but do not make prime time news.
UKIP will support British Lanterns, but strongly call for Chinese Lanterns to be banned! I read that there had been 15 fires in recycling centers recently – perhaps there needs to be a review of storage, fire control systems and the rules surrounding these large facilities?
Can’t wait for Bomb fire night, just rockets, bangers, burns, fires and a huge amount of money spent, Ah clue, ‘Money spent’. Brings me to yet another comment, fuck me this is stupidity; “It’s proof that’s lacking, they fly, sometimes miles. They don’t have the owner’s name and address”, oh my God, can you Adam and Eve that!
Then we have the habitual affected that is active and a collector “ I collected dozens of these things littering rural Scotland north of Glasgow. They are likely responsible for all the ‘unexplained’ fires across the country, a menace and utterly stupid to float flaming torches into the environment. Balloons to are constantly found, can choke animals and litter the landscape”. WTF! Band wagon wankers that more than likely have just been reading or watching the news and decided I ‘Can do something’.
The operative word here is ‘Chinese’, secondly they are homemade and generally free, lastly, investigate the fire and the safety codes, it was seen on CCTV, but no footage released, it could well be a insurance claim as the Fire inspectors result was just too fast, otherwise it’s just a ‘Political’ shout.
Posted by: kev | Jul 7 2013 13:19 utc | 68
Stephen Harper gets to experience his first ‘war zone’
‘Canadian prime minister Stephen Harper has visited the devastated town, and says it looks like a warzone.
“A large part of the downtown has been destroyed,” he said.
“It is really just terrible. There has been loss of life as we all know and there are still many, many people missing, so there are many people here who are very worried. People are very concerned about what’s happened here. The community here is in everybody’s thought and prayers.”‘
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2013-07-08/death-toll-expected-to-rise-after-canadian-train-explosion/4804760
someone should tweet pics pf syrias ‘war zone’, a war supported BY Harper
Posted by: brian | Jul 8 2013 2:36 utc | 69
Zico 54: “Rabbit zionists”, do you mean rabbis or rabid?
Posted by: Rowan Berkeley | Jul 3, 2013 10:57:08 AM | 58
probably ‘rabid’; ‘rabbits’ are what zionists fear the palestinians are like…
Posted by: brian | Jul 8 2013 2:38 utc | 70
brian | Jul 7, 2013 10:38:26 PM | 70, Bunny Girls popped in my head, Playboy, but I’m just frustrated…
Posted by: kev | Jul 8 2013 3:05 utc | 71
Now that Syria has been out of the headlines for a couple of weeks, the Syrian Observatory for Human Rights/(Wrongs?) is being given MSM space to accuse Assad of being guilty of crimes committed by the FSA (Foreign Supplied Army).
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BBC REPORTER: They said, “whoever insults the Prophet will be killed”‘, she recalls. She goes on: ‘I heard the first shot. I’d run out barefoot. I fell to the ground. They shot him again and kicked him. I looked at them and said, “Why are you killing him? He’s just a child.”‘
KATIE HAMANN: Rebel groups in Aleppo have condemned the killing and accuse Assad loyalists of murdering Mohammed.
In a statement, the Syrian Observatory for Human Rights accused members of the so-called Religious Committee for the Islamic State in Iraq and Syria of the killing.
….
Hardline Islamist rebel groups seek to impose Sharia law in Syria’s north
http://www.abc.net.au/worldtoday/content/2013/s3798086.htm
Posted by: Hoarsewhisperer | Jul 8 2013 6:12 utc | 72
the candidate for change never ceases to surprise
http://www.organicconsumers.org/articles/article_25508.cfm#.UdlObK5eeFo.facebook why would Obama allow himself to be a tool for a known evil corporation?
Posted by: brian | Jul 8 2013 9:22 utc | 73
Question: Does the NSA cooperate with other states like Israel?
Snowden: Yes, all the time. The NSA has a large section for that, called the FAD – Foreign Affairs Directorate.
Question: Did the NSA help to write the Stuxnet program? (the malicious program used against the Iranian nuclear facilities — ed.)
Snowden: The NSA and Israel wrote Stuxnet together.
http://12160.info/page/snowden-confirms-stuxnet-was-coded-by-nsa-in-cooperation-with-isr
israel has long been suspected as behind Stuxnet
Posted by: brian | Jul 8 2013 9:39 utc | 74
The International Crisis Group has a $20 million dollar annual budget, about half of which comes from the United States and allied governments who share the State Department’s political agenda, with additional contributions from big oil companies including BP and Shell. So in some ways it is not surprising that it would take the position of the U.S. government, even when the U.S. government is, as in this case, completely isolated in the world. However, the ICG does not always do this in other countries, so this report stands out as a particularly disgraceful blot on their record.
http://mrzine.monthlyreview.org/2013/weisbrot180513.html
And on May 9, Brazilian President Dilma Rousseff made a similar statement, while standing next to President Maduro of Venezuela:
President Dilma Rousseff stated on May 9th that South America must reaffirm its ‘capacity to resolve its own problems’. And, without naming other countries, she condemned ‘hegemonic pretensions’ and ‘foreign interference.’
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so when did brazil demos begin?
Posted by: brian | Jul 8 2013 10:23 utc | 75
FYI alert: BBC journalist Paul Wood has appeared in Hibas page to comment on an article of his: on his iinterview with the cannibal
https://www.facebook.com/hiba.kelanee/posts/479056722171521
Posted by: brian | Jul 8 2013 10:40 utc | 76
Stuff you might have missed.
Hitto, Qatar’s man in the Syrian opposition, has resigned as PM.
Meanwhile, the Syrian Government throws out the old and brings in the new. Coupled with changes to the opposition, are we seeing steps by both sides towards reconciliation. New faces, new talks? Or are both sides in increasing disarray?
Posted by: Pat Bateman | Jul 8 2013 17:52 utc | 77
Maximilian Forte @1D4TW 7 Jul And some in #Libya hated him for this: “PressTV – Gaddafi apologizes for Arab slave traders” ( http://bit.ly/1a4eNOm ) #racism
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Maximilian Forte @1D4TW 7 Jul “Qaddafi apologized to African leaders for the Arab slave trade in Africa – San Diego Examiner” ( http://exm.nr/13DB99f ) #Libya #racism
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Maximilian Forte @1D4TW 6 Jul “French honorary consul escapes Benghazi attack” ( http://f24.my/1aNXIuU ) #Libya – now it’s “save yourselves from Benghazi”
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Posted by: brian | Jul 8 2013 22:53 utc | 78
Glenn Greenwald @ggreenwald
6 Jul Judging by responses: Venezuela destroyed Iraq, set up a worldwide torture regime, constantly drone people to death, & prop up Saudi KingRetweeted by Maximilian Forte
Posted by: brian | Jul 8 2013 23:16 utc | 79
Montana the first state to pass spy law
By SEABORN LARSON/Special to the Daily Inter Lake | Posted: Monday, July 8, 2013 9:00 pm
Montana made history this spring after passing the first state law to prevent the government from spying on anyone in the state by tracking personal information stored in their electronic devices.
The new law made Montana a pioneer in the age of electronic privacy rights by requiring state and local government entities to obtain a probable-cause warrant before remotely engaging personal electronic devices.
House Bill 603, sponsored by Rep. Daniel Zolnikov, R-Billings, was signed into law by Gov. Steve Bullock on May 6.
“I didn’t even know it was the first one in the country,” Zolnikov said. “We just saw other legislation and thought, ‘Why aren’t we doing this?’”
The law defines an electronic device as “a device that enables access to or use of an electronic communication service, remote computing service, or location information service.” That could mean cellphones, laptops, tablets and other electronic products.
Although the bill’s passage marked a win for Zolnikov, he originally drafted a much more aggressive version of the bill – House Bill 400 – aimed at banning private companies and the federal government from accessing personal electronic data without a warrant.
That bill was a nonstarter in the House Business and Labor Committee, so Zolnikov introduced House Bill 603, a more narrowly targeted version that was later amended to eliminate restrictions on the federal government.
“This is very small compared to what we want to accomplish,” said Zolnikov, who acknowledged that any state law to limit the federal authority would get tied up in court because the supremacy clause of the U.S. Constitution states that federal law supersedes state law whenever the two conflict.
During the past couple of months, federal government spying programs were exposed, leading to a public outcry for more comprehensive rights to privacy.
Sen. Chas Vincent, R-Libby, said Zolnikov recognized a need for limits on electronic spying before news surfaced that government contractor Edward Snowden had leaked information about several controversial domestic spying programs.
“The NSA reports hadn’t even come out at that time,” Vincent said.
Zolnikov also intended to restrict third parties such as cellphone companies from compiling and distributing personal information from customers who may consider their electronic data private. But the ban on third-party location tracking also bit the dust with House Bill 400.
“It was pretty much big business versus me, and they don’t want privacy,” Zolnikov said. “I’m all for people’s rights not being sold to the highest bidder.”
The bill includes exceptions that would allow state and local government agencies in Montana to access personal electronic data when “there exists a possible life-threatening situation,” if a device has been stolen, or if the owner of a device provides law enforcement with consent to obtain electronic data.
Although the Montana Legislature was the first to pass a law of this kind, Zolnikov said the idea was inspired by legislative momentum in Texas that paralleled the interests of Montana’s legislation. Zolnikov said the bill in Texas failed because it was too watered down.
In Montana, Zolnikov said, support for his bill depended more on age than party affiliation.
“The younger Democrats and Republicans were the ones really for the bill,” said Zolnikov, who is 25. “The older legislators in Helena didn’t say much for or against it.”
Vincent said state lawmakers recognized the need to pass some form of cyber-privacy law due to problems that have arisen across the state in recent years.
“The reason I voted for the bill and everyone voted for the bill was an issue in Bozeman where an employer required social media passwords so they could access employees’ networks to keep track of proprietary information,” Vincent said.
Last week, The New York Times reported that more than a dozen other states, including Maine and Massachusetts, considered similar legislation this year.
National groups that advocate for privacy rights hailed Montana’s new law, saying other states considering similar legislation now have an example to follow. The state law may also provide additional momentum for the Geolocation Privacy and Surveillance Act, the federal counterpart of HB603.
“Perhaps Montanans, known for their love of freedom and privacy, intuitively understand how sensitive location information can be and how much where you go can reveal about who you are,” Allie Bohm, advocacy and policy strategist at the American Civil Liberties Union, noted recently in an online commentary. “The majority of state legislatures have adjourned for the year, but we hope they’ll follow Montana’s lead when they take up location tracking next session.”
Posted by: Uncle $cam | Jul 9 2013 16:44 utc | 80
Libya falling apart – in German
Austrian OMV has stopped production in Libya – in German
Tribes council in Zintan
Posted by: somebody | Jul 10 2013 9:13 utc | 81
elections…what have those produced in USA:Bush and the neocons and Obama in power and waging wars. IN europe, they produce Sarcozy Hollande Cameron ad the sight of Portugal france spain and italy govts closing air space to Bolivias president on US orders.
so what good are ‘elections’?
Posted by: brian | Jul 10 2013 11:11 utc | 82