Heart-Eating Cannibal Demands Obama Send Weapons
“If we don’t get help, a no-fly zone, heavy weapons, we will do worse [than I did]. You’ve seen nothing yet.”
Paul Joseph Watson
Infowars.com
July 9, 2013
The Syrian rebel fighter who infamously cut out and bit into the heart of a dead soldier has threatened to commit even worse atrocities if the Obama administration doesn’t send the FSA heavy weaponry and impose a no fly zone over Syria
etc
http://www.infowars.com/heart-eating-cannibal-demands-obama-send-weapons/

Posted by: brian | Jul 9 2013 21:53 utc | 3

Yes kev, well, another thing that struck me both times I watched the better of the two clips I’ve found of the low roof snipers is that the most prominent sniper appeared to be aiming high, well over the crowd in the square below, and in fact higher than the person shooting the clip, though this person was 30 or 40 degrees off the axis the sniper was aiming along, which is why one could see the angle of the sniper’s rifle. Here are the two clips I have found showing these rooftop guys:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_5eq0Lq2–Q
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YQrM51nJYtQ

Posted by: Rowan Berkeley | Jul 10 2013 3:54 utc | 5

6) Probably for the wrong reasons i.e. being more radical. Morsy’s economic management – he did not dare to take the austerity measures the World Bank demands and was faced with “fleeing” investment – any Social Democrat can tell you what that means.
I think the issue who shot Muslim Brotherhood protesters is clear now
the videos are coming out
here is amnesty’s take
Will the new government fight to make the army accountable? They will find themselves in front of a gun when their time comes.

Posted by: somebody | Jul 10 2013 6:22 utc | 7

and this here from Mursy’s security reign – no citizen can accept something like that:
March 17, 2013

Egypt may replace police with private security companies
Morsi and the Muslim Brotherhood group he once led has sought to co-opt the largely anti-Islamist interior ministry during their time in power, deploying them to use the same methods as their dictatorial predecessor and abandoning calls for police reform.
But the moves have apparently backfired. Police conscripts admit they are ill-equipped to patrol the nation’s increasingly restive cities, given the rising anger, and that the country’s slide into chaos needs radical political prescriptions.
Now, the Brotherhood’s Freedom and Justice Party (FJP) is spearheading the drafting of a law that would allow private security companies to control the population, possibly as a bid to sideline an increasingly unfriendly police force.
And its Islamist allies in the southern province Assiut — the former militant group, Gama’a Islamiya — are forming motorcycle-riding committees that blare Quran verses to monitor security there.
“Most protests do not need a security solution, but a political solution, which we cannot provide,” said Farag Ahmed Farag, a riot policeman who helped organize strikes in Cairo. “We definitely provoke more anger on the streets. When we are there, the protesters become more violent. We just want to be able to confront thugs and criminals.”
In Garden City, an upscale Cairo quarter just south of Tahrir Square that hosts the US Embassy, residents and shopkeepers say their lives are plagued by insecurity, both political and criminal.
“There is no security here. There are thefts and fights break out,” said 27-year-old Hazem Al Azaz, a local grocer. The Qasr Al Nil police station, which early last week temporarily halted its strike, is just blocks from his shop.
“Since the revolution, the police have not done their job,” he said. “We cannot see a difference between when they are on strike and when they are working.”
But the prospect of private security contractors — which operate outside the command and control structure of the interior ministry — arriving to police the area deeply worries Al Azaz and his neighbors.
According to a senior Brotherhood leader in Alexandria, Ahmed Al Nahhas, the justice ministry would issue special permits to security companies to procure arms and make arrests.
Nahhas says citizens would be able to appeal to the public prosecution in the event of any abuses by security contractors.
But, he says, “I don’t really understand how it would work.”
That inspires little faith among rights groups, who add that both the justice ministry and attorney general have taken a more active role in helping cover up police abuses.
“[Justice Minister] Ahmed Mekki made it very clear to us: he is unabashedly pro-police, and he denies systematic torture and abuse” among security forces, said Karim Medhat Ennarah, security sector researcher at the Egyptian Initiative for Personal Rights.
As a result, rights groups say, it is unlikely prosecutors will adequately investigate mercenaries with an already ambiguous legal status.
“Nobody will accept militias on the streets — this is completely unacceptable,” said 20-year-old Ehab Qandil, who sells snacks and cigarettes in Garden City. “They will cause problems and the people will clash with them. They have no authority.”
Egyptians say they would much rather see a better-equipped and reformed police force return to the streets than have law-and-order fall into the hands of vigilantes.
“The police have to change their behavior. But the police have to stay the police,” said Mustafa, the fruit vendor. “Nobody can secure the street except for the government.”

Posted by: somebody | Jul 10 2013 7:09 utc | 9

@Rowan Berkeley | Jul 9, 2013 11:54:58 PM | 5, Its security, or staged, not Mil or a Sniper by definition – No optics, it’s an AK with iron sights, also had no stock, so not Mil issue or would it be a sniper, just the wrong kit for a Sniper.
Pro-Morsi demonstrators were armed and filmed firing at the Egyptian army. In fact it was pro-Morsi peeps that seemed to know where to film and when. One gunman (Hand gun) was pot shooting at riot police that were armed with batons and a shield, no side or long arms.
The footage is piss poor and if I am not mistaken the AK (Shooter 1) is silver, so 100% not mil issue. 26 sec, his face is covered in a cloth (If the same guy) improvised balaclava. The fire is also sporadic, never the same place or angle, in fact not aiming, just ‘motioning’ , they are not acting in any Mil coordinated action, and not targeting anyone even if hitting?
Then 1:20+ more people, one with a parker and hooded taking direct pot shots in the direction of the guy filming, then in civvies a cameraman films the carnage, take his time in doing so also. They are then joined by more, all scrappily dressed, taking a peek. In all and looking closely, no muzzle flash or recoil, not even sure if this was just blanks, or simply ‘imagery’ to simulate shooting and covering the real shooters? Looking for Dr. reports, most were gunshot wounds, others direct hits and not from elevated positions or distance.
The crux of this event is why would the Mil do this? They have nothing to gain and if they did want to take out via sniper fire they do have the gear far better suited and not so obvious. It is also known MB peeps are in the Army, and have been used to act in a manner to disrupt or harm the Army image.
Looks all like a staged and intended scene.

Posted by: kev | Jul 10 2013 10:31 utc | 11

‘Hariri has come out to directly implicate Israel in today’s attack – accusing the Jewish state of staging a grotesque bombing in order to inflame an already simmering political divide between Sunnis and Shias in Lebanon. The Daily Star reported Hariri’s bold statement today:
“[The blast] requires the highest level of awareness and vigilance in the face of dangers that surround the country and the entire region, especially while facing attempts by the Israeli enemy to push [Lebanon] to strife by organizing terrorist attacks, as happened today”.’
http://21stcenturywire.com/2013/07/09/car-bomb-rips-through-south-beirut-former-lebanese-pm-blames-israel/

Posted by: brian | Jul 10 2013 10:45 utc | 13

14) bet that someone else will do this project now :-)9
It sounds reasonable actually, depends on negotiated conditions. I guess Saudi Arabia or UAE will do it now.

Posted by: somebody | Jul 10 2013 11:11 utc | 15

@kev | Jul 10, 2013 6:31:58 AM | 11 — OK, I yield to your superior expertise there. Unless of course they were genuine govt troops deliberately using non govt issue rifles to avoid incriminating evidence of army issue bullets turning up in civilian demonstrators’ corpses. But all this is academic, because Mina’s Afghan frog (see Mina | Jul 10, 2013 6:45:25 AM | 14) won’t jump to the other side of the scales and give us some footage of these mysterious gunmen on motorcycles, who are the logical targets of any govt fire. All I can find is this, of rather isolated pedestrian snipers, which has a Russia Today logo on it and presumably has been retransmitted all over the globe:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6aiP-vu677A

Posted by: Rowan Berkeley | Jul 10 2013 12:00 utc | 17

http://www.thecommentator.com/article/3924/muslim_brotherhood_activists_recruited_syrians_and_palestinians_to_shoot_at_anti_morsi_protestors#.Udzs4hpcSA4.facebookMuslim Brotherhood activists recruited Syrians and Palestinians to shoot at anti-Morsi protestors
Egypt’s Muslim Brotherhood is being investigated for recruiting Palestinian and Syrian fighters to fire shotguns at anti-Morsi protestors
Following an investigation conducted by Egypt’s Qasr al-Nil Public Prosecution, the Egypt Independent newspaper has reported that the Muslim Brotherhood recruited Palestinians and Syrians to fire at protestors opposed to the rule of the now desposed Mohammed Morsi.
While details are yet to become clear, various examples were noted by the Public Prosecution, including the case of Mohamed Hassan al-Berdkany, a Syrian who was recruited to fire at protestors from the Qasr al-Nil Bridge, just a few hundreds metres away from Tahrir Square in Cairo.
Berdkany said he had fled the fighting in Syria and had come with his family to Cairo, wherein he met a young Syrian man named Ahmed al-Soury who was responsible for gathering Syrians to take part in the protests the Muslim Brotherhood was organising at Nahdet Misr Square.
Berdkany revealed that he used to meet with members of the Brotherhood in an apartment in 6th October City. There, he would meet with a local leader of the Syrian community who took him to another apartment where a number of young members of the Brotherhood were staying.
The Brotherhood members asked him to join them in their protests in return for 500 Egyptian Pounds (£47/$71) for each protest he would take part in.
Berdkany also stated that the head of the Palestinian community who paid Palestinians to protest for the Brotherhood is named Bassel al-Feroun. Their meetings also took place in an apartment in 6th October City and each participant was handed a shotgun and paid to go join the Brotherhood protests in Nahdet Misr Square, he said.
The prosecution has asked intelligence, national security, and criminal investigation authorities to conduct their own investigations to determine the movements of Berdkany and to uncover the identities of the suspects involved in the case.

Posted by: brian | Jul 10 2013 12:15 utc | 19

somebody
yeah those evool moosslems!
You should read Amnesty report and stop excite yourself with islamophobic nonsense.
http://presstv.com/detail/2013/07/10/313178/amnesty-raps-egypt-armys-use-of-force/

Posted by: Anonymous | Jul 10 2013 12:33 utc | 21

Blogger Sandmonkey
Sandmonkey
The Murky Waters Of 30 June

Helping the Brotherhood survive is the narrative of outright lies that they keep spewing to the international media, thanks to their incorrigible spokesperson Gehad El-Haddad, who has been saying the word legitimacy so many times he is starting to remind us of Morsi’s last speech (57 times. 25 minutes where legitimacy was said 57 times), coupled with “military coup”. Nobody seemed to ask him what kind of military coup comes with a 48 hours ultimatum, since coups are usually surprising and immediate. I guess the military likes to give people it intends to overthrow a 48-hour head start to spoil their plan. I guess, according to international media, their sense of fair play extends to coups. The Egyptian military: nicest coup-throwers ever!
The problem with that narrative is that it relies on a number of assumptions, and none of them are true: 1) That the Brotherhood is democratically elected by millions of votes, 2) that their constitution was legitimately instated, and 3) that they are a legitimate political party through the FJP.
…
This leaves us only one last assumption to debunk: that the Brotherhood is a legitimate political party represented in the FJP. It is not. It is a terrorist organisation, and all of their allies are also terrorists. Before you roll your eyes, let me ask you the following questions:
How many political parties in Egypt have sent their supporters with guns to beat up opposition protesters, like the Brotherhood did in the presidential palace? How many political parties have snipers on their headquarters’ roofs that sniped and killed 8 protesters that were protesting in front of it? How many political parties send their supporters and allies to lay siege to the Supreme Constitutional Court and the Media City to terrorise the judges and media personalities from legally stopping or speaking against their own illegal constitution? How many political parties incite their supporters against Christians to the point that the Coptic Cathedral gets attacked for hours while the police don’t intervene, or where their elected president and allies incite their supporters against Shi’a muslims only to have four of them brutally killed in a despicable hate crime four days later? How many political parties have political conferences with their “elected president” in attendance as the keynote speaker that hosts known Islamist terrorists from Al-Jamaa Al-Islamiya who gave speeches announcing that anyone who goes out to protest on 30 June is an apostate and an infidel and thus deserves to be killed? How many political parties have their leaders and allies before 30 June state that if Morsi gets deposed they will “burn the country” and afterward announce that “terrorist attacks in Sinai will stop only if Morsi comes back to power”? Please provide examples, and Afghanistan doesn’t count.

Posted by: b | Jul 10 2013 12:49 utc | 23

23) Yep, I saw that b., calling them terrorist basically outlaws them, it is not a good idea.
On the same principle you would have to outlaw all armed non state actors including Hezbollah and Hamas.
The surprising thing is how hardly armed Egyptian Muslim Brotherhood members seem to be, considering the near Leninist way Hamas came to power in Gaza.
I guess Egyptian army and secret service knew what they were doing all this time (or Iranian Hamas advisers were much better than Qatari advisers).
The US did have a Muslim Brotherhood strategy – from Turkey and Quatar to Libya to Syria and Egypt. If they intended to switch horses all along when things got out of hand is anybody’s guess.
It sound a lot like the “let the hard core Jihadis defeat Assad, we will finish them off afterwards” strategy in Syria.
Of course at the same time the US also support the Turkish and Egyptian armies and guarantee Qatari (and Israeli) security.

Posted by: somebody | Jul 10 2013 13:21 utc | 25

Isn’t the New Yorker a hotbed of misinformation for Zion?Like just about every publication in America?
Sad to see the hypocrisy here,as coups are definitely not democratic,and will only bring about more strife and bloodshed for the Egyptian people.
Telling the Islamists that they have no option at the ballot box is unbelievably idiotic.

Posted by: dahoit | Jul 10 2013 13:48 utc | 27

dahoit
You are correct. It seems a mixture of islamohphobia and MB’s role in Syria twist the minds of some people here. Hasbara crew would be proud of this apologizing.

Posted by: Anonymous | Jul 10 2013 14:17 utc | 29

And now, having creating a mess, the US is in the comfortable role of mediator between the clients it supports to fight each other

With the Qatari emir, Sheik Tamim bin Hamad Al Thani, Obama discussed their “deep concern about recent developments in Egypt” and agreed that the use of force is unacceptable, the White House said. The Gulf nation was a close ally of the Brotherhood and gave Morsi’s government several billion in aid during his year in office.
The White House and State Department both urged the Muslim Brotherhood to reverse course and take part in the process but declined to respond to the group’s complaint that it already had participated in and won a free and fair election, the results of which were voided by a military intervention.
“We will continue to encourage the Muslim Brotherhood, leaders from that group, to participate in the process,” State Department spokeswoman Jen Psaki said. “We know this is not going to be an easy process, but that’s what we’ll continue to encourage.”
Psaki could not say whether any U.S. government official had contacted or tried to make contact with Morsi since President Barack Obama called him late last Monday to urge him to address the grievances of millions of demonstrators protesting his increasingly autocratic rule. The military removed Morsi from power on Wednesday and then placed him under house arrest along with other Muslim Brotherhood leaders.
Psaki said Secretary of State John Kerry had spoken by phone on Monday with Egypt’s defense minister, Gen. Abdel-Fattah el-Sissi, and pro-democracy leader Mohamed ElBaradei, who was selected to be interim vice president on Tuesday.
At the Pentagon, an official said Defense Secretary Chuck Hagel spoke for the fifth time in six days with el-Sissi on Tuesday as part of what has been almost daily effort to encourage the Egyptian military to reduce the violence and make a quick transition to a civilian government. The official said the frequent conversations were an attempt to set a defined rhythm of communications with the Egyptian leaders.
On Monday, after Egyptian security forces killed 51 people demonstrating in support of Morsi, the U.S. called for the military to exercise “maximum restraint.”

Posted by: somebody | Jul 10 2013 15:05 utc | 31

32 – well this here is Emad Mekay– guess who funds him
class of 2012

Emad Mekay (’12)
Founder, editor and publisher, America in Arabic News Agency, Cairo, Egypt
Project: Build an online news agency using Freedom of Information laws to make Arab regimes more accountable and U.S. Middle East policy more transparent.
Emad Mekay’s first story as an intern at the only English-language newspaper in Cairo was about children peddling tissue paper at the city’s suffocating traffic stops. He found this ability to expose injustice to be intoxicating, and that interest has defined his career. After graduating from Ain Shams University in Cairo in 1991, Mekay was a reporter in the New York Times’ Middle East bureau for three years. He later worked for Reuters and Bloomberg News. He covered the aftermath of Sept. 11 in the United States for Inter Press Service in Washington D.C. and has freelanced for numerous publications around the world. During a decade of working in the United States, Mekay became frustrated with both the Arab and American media’s coverage of U.S. foreign policy and actions in the Middle East. He decided to launch America in Arabic News Agency, the first independent for-profit publisher of news online in Arabic from the United States.

LOL
Or are there two journalists called Emad Mekay? They’d better cleared that up.

Posted by: somebody | Jul 10 2013 16:00 utc | 33

And this here is the Egyptian police officer mentioned in the article
Former Egyptian police officer directs protesters from afar

n a personal command center in a tiny apartment, 10 minutes from Washington, D.C., the revolution gets direction.
“God be with you. You are the ones. We are representing nothing without you,” Omar Afifi Suleiman tells a caller.
Suleiman is speaking to protesters in Egypt via Skype, Facebook, Twitter and cell phone. Today, he hears from the Egyptian countryside, where 200 want to join the revolt.
“Are our groups increasing in number,” the caller asks.
“Of course they are,” Suleiman responds.
Another man calls after being questioned by authorities.
“The first thing they did was let us hear the sound of electric shock to intimidate us,” the protester tells him.
Suleiman briefs activists on how to prevent confrontation. After 20 years as an Egyptian police officer, he says he knows all about that.
He wrote a book instructing ordinary citizens how to avoid police abuse. The book was banned in Egypt and Suleiman says death threats forced him out of the country – to America where he says he’s been waiting three years to start a revolution.
“Our demonstrations will be popular, spontaneous, and peaceful. One hundred percent. No violence.,” he says.
On January 14, Suleiman’s YouTube video directed thousands on where and how to begin a revolt. He says he joined three other groups helping to organize protestors. It began 11 days later.
Suleiman says he taught protesters how to outsmart police by gathering in the side streets leading toTahrir Square.
“I know the police and he can control for 500, 600, 700,” he notes. “But he can’t control for 1,000 and 500. It’s very hard.”
Suleiman says he wants what the protesters want: President Mubarak’s resignation and democracy now.
“Nobody can stop our revolution. Nobody,” he insists.
But Egypt’s Vice President Omar Suleiman — no relation — said the government will not tolerate prolonged protests in Tahrir Square, where some have set up tents. He was quoted saying he does not want to deal with Egyptians using “police tools.”
Under a new government, analysts say that same police department would have to adapt.
“You have to change a whole police culture, you have to train them that slapping people around doesn’t work,” says Fouad Ajami, a Mideast expert with Johns Hopkins University. “That kicking people around doesn’t work””
Omar Affifi Suleiman agrees and estimates one out of seven Egyptian police officers is corrupt and abusive. He says only through retraining can the force establish credibility with the Egyptian public.

Posted by: somebody | Jul 10 2013 16:14 utc | 35

Posted by: b | Jul 10, 2013 9:57:08 AM | 28
US controls both sides
http://www.presstv.ir/detail/2013/07/06/312583/us-controlling-both-sides-of-egypt-coup/

Posted by: brian | Jul 10 2013 22:53 utc | 37

@ b, both or all? Going throught the daily State Dept meetings – Intresting stuff if you read between the lines. This is from the 10th July, the link is here and just pick the date: http://www.state.gov/r/pa/prs/dpb/
QUESTION:　 Jen, could I ask about – you touched on this briefly yesterday, but there’s now a total of some $12 billion in economic assistance that’s been pledged by Saudi Arabia, the UAE, and Kuwait.　 Could you comment on that?
MS. PSAKI:　 Well, we – as you know, the Secretary and others in the Administration have been in touch with the Emiratis, with the Qataris, throughout this process – with a range of foreign leaders, I guess I should say.　 It’s – we’re making our own decisions about our aid and what aid we will continue to provide from here.　 Obviously, other countries are making their own decisions.　 As I understand it, that aid has a range of purposes, from economic assistance to military assistance, I believe.　 They have made the choice to do that.　 There’s no question Egypt needs additional help on the economic front, and these countries clearly have the ability to deliver more on that along those lines.
QUESTION:　 I mean, the $12 billion obviously dwarfs 1.5 billion provided by the United States.　 Would this mean that you could then say, okay, we can freeze our aid because you’re getting it from someone else?
MS. PSAKI:　 Wouldn’t draw that conclusion.　 Obviously, our relationship with Egypt – well, I said it goes far beyond aid, and it certainly does, but we have strategic interests in the region.　
QUESTION:　 Jen.
MS. PSAKI:　 We have important – we believe that it’s very important that we continue to have that relationship, and aid is a part of that.
QUESTION:　 So this is a positive move by these three countries to do this, to help Egypt in this economic situation?
MS. PSAKI:　 Well, I don’t want to go too far in making an evaluation, aside from saying that each country is going to make their own decisions.　 We certainly support each country’s ability to do that.　 We currently do provide and feel that it wouldn’t be in the interests of the U.S. or Egypt for us to change that right now, though we’re evaluating it, as we all know, because we’ve talked about quite a bit in here.　 And Egypt clearly does need assistance for security and for economic.
QUESTION:　 And I just wonder if —
QUESTION:　 But why there is like this confusion between labeling the military ouster of President Morsy as a coup, and at the same time, if this is a coup, you’re not stopping the aid?　 So why this is a confusion between the interests of the United States for not stopping the aids to Egypt?　 And at the same time, if it’s a coup, you have to do it by law.　 But there’s a confusion between what some voices in the Congress are saying and what the Administration – which decision should take.
MS. PSAKI:　 Well, I would disagree that it’s a confusion.　 What we’re doing is we’re taking the time necessary to review what has taken place and to monitor efforts by Egyptian authorities to forge an inclusive and democratic way forward.　 That takes time.　 There’s discussions.　 There are meetings to discuss that.　 And of course, the – our requirements under the law are part of that as well.　 So I don’t think that’s a confusion.　

Posted by: kev | Jul 11 2013 1:00 utc | 39

So far among the analyses that I have read/watched/listened to regarding the developments in Egypt, the best analysis is the one to which ‘Brian’ linked from Chossudovsky in pressTV. I think that he captures the essence of what’s been happening the best. Impatiently waiting to see what George Galloway has to say about Egypt on Thursday.

Posted by: Pirouz_2 | Jul 11 2013 5:06 utc | 41

Cairo seeking Israeli okay to widen Sinai offensive:
http://www.timesofisrael.com/cairo-seeking-israeli-okay-to-widen-sinai-offensive/

Posted by: Rowan Berkeley | Jul 11 2013 7:30 utc | 43

‘What is important to note is that the United States and Muslim Brotherhood have both tried to manipulate one another on the basis of their own converging agendas. Collaboration between the US government and Muslim Brotherhood goes back to the time of Gamal Abdel Nasser when they both worked against Nasser’s government. The particular arrangement between the Muslim Brotherhood and the US over the Arab Spring, which has seen the Muslim Brotherhood riding the 2011 wave of Arab upheavals into power, goes back to President Obama’s 2009 “A New Beginning” speech that was supposed to reset America’s damaged relations with the world’s Muslims. The Obama administration specifically asked that representatives of the Muslim Brotherhood be present when President Obama delivered the widely anticipated speech in Cairo.’
http://rt.com/op-edge/america-egypt-prevent-civil-war-838/

Posted by: brian | Jul 11 2013 9:23 utc | 45

Don’t know who posted references to Turkey, read it, but not sure who/where. But this market data is making his decisions more sterile and not as inflamed and it’s hitting home.
The Central Bank of Turkey (CBRT) has intervened in the foreign exchange market six times already today to prop up the value of the Turkish lira.
Over the course of those six auctions, the central bank has flooded the market with $1.4 billion in hard currency in order to boost the lira against the dollar, but its dodo
The lira has been among the hardest-hit emerging market currencies since May, when rising fears that the Federal Reserve would begin to taper back monetary stimulus sooner than expected hit markets around the world.
Political unrest in Turkey over the past several weeks hasn’t helped the currency.
What you get for stabbing Assad in the back and for the crackdown they did on the people of turkey in one way. Ye the other side;
The OPEC members can manipulate politics in the middle east and Muslim world quietly through their money, although and importantly, above the OPEC food chain, by the elite cabal that owns every central bank in the world including the fed and the CBRT – It could be a warning to stay engaged in the demise of Assad, thoughts?

Posted by: kev | Jul 11 2013 10:19 utc | 47

somebody | Jul 11, 2013 6:38:55 AM | 48, true – and we are dealing with a conflict where two, even three fronts are at play; in that mix is ‘Economic’, strategic and ideological (Includes religion), each with an agenda mostly ‘Power and money’. The pisser is the average citizen is 100% (-1%) out of that loop, and they in turn are literally paying for it, i.e. funding and consequences – Absurd!

Posted by: kev | Jul 11 2013 11:53 utc | 49

Posted by: Loyal | Jul 11, 2013 5:32:19 AM | 46
read the 2nd article for other egs

Posted by: brian | Jul 11 2013 12:06 utc | 51

Ever since Sadat signed the Peace accords, the US and Israel by extension have owned the Egyptian armed forces. So they are mercenaries for The Zionist entity.

Posted by: Fernando | Jul 11 2013 12:41 utc | 53

@ Anon, the ‘Extremist Islamic lover’ so it seems, let’s hope not- Operative words here ‘to root out “Islamic extremists”. Have you been reading what is going on in Sinai since Misery was ousted?
Yes, sides will be played, but you don’t need to be blinded and so ‘Pro’ chaos and Morsi -We are talking about citizens, civilians, economics and a life choice, not ‘your’ political lean or ‘your’ religious lean; rather but life and lives and ‘that’ continuum without restraints and oppression and can have aspirations, wants and need to evolve, more so the children without the perils of radial/extremist domination and in turn retribution as a constant shadow.
You have not even lived yet, moreover not in that region, you are nothing but a ‘soft’ thorn stem; one that has been nourished indoctrination of sorts, let’s hope you can break free and flourish into a fragrant rose one day, rather than a puncturing bush -flowerless or ultimately a ‘stone rose fossil’.

Posted by: kev | Jul 11 2013 13:11 utc | 55

You think mabey the coup against morsi is US punishment for brotherhood affiliated FSA’s failure to oust Assad.

Posted by: skybox | Jul 11 2013 13:57 utc | 57

About, US bankrolled Morsi activists. posted at 28 by b, link,
http://www.aljazeera.com/indepth/features/2013/07/2013710113522489801.html
Well…As the article points out, Democracy Assistance is fueled through all kinds of ‘programs’ from the US.
Many NGOs count on this kind of cash. Which is partly why there are so many of them, dealing with ‘democracy’, ‘human rights’, etc. without a clear agenda, rather than ‘worker’s rights’, ‘pollution’, ‘education’, for which you can’t get a penny from the US.
These actions are always going on, all the time. This is what the US does, often in a completely confused manner. One must suspect friend-funding, scams, as well, etc. (Funding individuals is another cup of tea..)
What impact or importance the funding has is ??, but it should not be over-estimated. – Most of the real action is behind the scenes.
The funding is used to encourage and support opponents to ‘Tyrants’ that the US does not like in color-revolution-type scenarios, to make a Society of the Spectacle – aka here the Street and televised images – more important than other dimensions, because the spectacle by-passes law, Gvmt. procedures, diplomatic relations, even democracy, quote unquote, and is easily manipulated by the complicit grasping media. Demos or more in Bahrein, Saudi Arabia, or US Carolina, Isr. are not touted as valiant citizens standing up to oppressive Gvmts. or green-clawed bloody Dictators. If they are reported at all.
Overall, this method is used because it is wondrously cheap.. And undermines all kind of other relations, agreements, ways of proceeding. Which is one of the reasons it is used so consistently and why the ‘human rights’ crowd has some power. Which they naturally will do anything to keep.
The case of Egypt makes some contradictions stark, not new, but massive spin required.
somebody at 35, control of the revolution from afar, that was interesting.

Posted by: Noirette | Jul 11 2013 14:47 utc | 59

#59) yeah almost drone like :-)9
You have to look closely though, without the human rights people torturers would proceed without embarassment, and there are quite a few legit grassroot US civil rights organizations.

Posted by: somebody | Jul 11 2013 14:57 utc | 61

@Anonymous | Jul 11, 2013 11:04:10 AM | 62: The only people who adopt that sanctimonious, po-faced voice, if I can put it that way, are left-wing Jews and their left-wing Arab auxiliaries. I consider both of those groups so confused and hypocritical, even unconscious of their own hypocrisy, as not even to be worth trying to argue with. So as far as I’m concerned, you can go on making sanctimonious po-faced comments and I shall from now on ignore them. That way, we can exist peacefully in parallel universes of discourse that never meet.

Posted by: Rowan Berkeley | Jul 11 2013 15:24 utc | 63

Rowan
You even deny there is antisemitism now?
So anyone who use the term “anitsemitism” is “confused, hypocritical” and must be either an “arab” or a “jew”?
Yes you should ignore my comments as should “b” ignore your racist comments here.
kev
Haha no you didnt thats why I said you shouldnt fool yourself with googgling insults 🙂

Posted by: Anonymous | Jul 11 2013 16:32 utc | 65

Guest77
How am I a “rabid supporter of political Islam” for defending the rule of law in egypt and the elections in egypt? Thats projection by yourself since you are the one taking a political secterian position just like you do in the syrian threads.
By the way have you read the Amnesty report I gave you?

Posted by: Anonymous | Jul 11 2013 16:54 utc | 67

@67
So you’re bright enough to dress up your biases in the cloth of righteousness and “democracy”. That’s a real basic political trick. It’s a thin material though, do you think no one can see through that? You’re rabid alright. Right down to making their threats about moving towards extremism. Real “democratic” of you.
I’m sorry, I support all of the Syrian people – Christians, Muslims (Sunni and Shia) – fighting against the al Qaeda cannibals. I don’t see much sectarianism there. Who are you fooling? Yourself maybe?
I must have missed the Amnesty report. Can you send a link again? There are several online currently. I don’t know which one you are referring to.

Posted by: guest77 | Jul 11 2013 17:07 utc | 69

I condemn the war crimes of the SAA and the Egyptian Army. And I condemn the more heinous war crimes of the Syrian “rebels” and the acts of terror taking place in the Sinai. I also condemn the firing of rockets into Israel, but I condemn 1000x more them 1000x times more vicious Israeli attacks on the Palestinians. You’re right if you’re accusing me of choosing a side. You’re completely wrong to think it is because I prefer one sect to another. That’s your game, not mine.
Yes, your defense of “rule of law” and “democracy” is a lie, because you come out to defend these principals when it suits you and over that which of they are means to protect (and not ends in themselves): the sense of justice inside the heart of a human being that makes them rebel against tyranny.
You’ve taken the side of the MB over the mass of the Egyptian people. You’d rather pretend that some elections a year ago are as meaningful as the opinions and actions of the people today. That’s your perverse definition of “democracy”. I haven’t heard once you say something positive about the fact that people have a right to make the decision to protest their leaders. You just demand they get in line and follow orders because there was an election a year ago. “Just wait three years” no matter what they’re feeling. That’s your lonely, bizarre definition of “democracy”. It sounds like Hillary Clinton’s definition. It sounds like the entitlement of the powerful to remain so.
You’re really acting foolishly. It’s apparent to everyone but you.

Posted by: guest77 | Jul 11 2013 17:51 utc | 71

guest77
Once again you showing off your secterian hatred.
jews are according to you worth less than palestinian lives, palestinians casualties are worth “1000x times” more.
You condemn sunni rebels for their alleged “more..warcrimes” but refuse to condemn the SAA equally.
On top of this your secterian hatred for kurds and turks have been exposed earlier.
http://www.moonofalabama.org/2013/05/syria-obama-expresses-concern-about-some-foreign-fighters.html#c6a00d8341c640e53ef0192aa325716970d

Posted by: Anonymous | Jul 11 2013 18:30 utc | 73

guest77
Dont be mad at me for your secterian, bordering racism, hatred, apparently you have denied these feeling and thats why you become so mad about it when I now in post after post expose it. 🙂
This is now, way off topic – so I respectfully departure from this discussion.

Posted by: Anonymous | Jul 11 2013 19:14 utc | 75

guest77
Once again you showing off your secterian hatred.
jews are according to you worth less than palestinian lives, palestinians casualties are worth “1000x times” more.
You condemn sunni rebels for their alleged “more..warcrimes” but refuse to condemn the SAA equally.
On top of this your secterian hatred for kurds and turks have been exposed earlier.
http://www.moonofalabama.org/2013/05/syria-obama-expresses-concern-about-some-foreign-fighters.html#c6a00d8341c640e53ef0192aa325716970d
Posted by: Anonymous | Jul 11, 2013 2:30:38 PM | 73
this anon fellow seems to have wandered in here by mistake: the right/left wing FSA supporter blog is 2 blocks to the right! his ‘condemn the SAA equally’ is what the embarrassed media suppporters of cannibals are saying. If he goes to syria and speaks to the syrians he may find they see the SAA as saving them from foreign terrorists! They dont see ther SAA as equal to the FSA.
No wonder this guy is ‘anonymous’

Posted by: brian | Jul 12 2013 3:55 utc | 77

By the way have you read the Amnesty report I gave you?
Posted by: Anonymous | Jul 11, 2013 12:54:04 PM | 67
this anon is a proven supported of the FAS
as for Amnesty: that organisation has taken to hiring EX-US state dept officials

Posted by: brian | Jul 12 2013 4:00 utc | 79

brian
So you are antisemitic (“b”, are these racist comments ok?), a warcrimes lover (and Saddam Hussein as shown in the last thread (http://www.moonofalabama.org/2013/07/open-thread-2013-14.html#c6a00d8341c640e53ef0192abf918fd970d) and on top of that you discredit Amnesty.

Posted by: Anonymous | Jul 12 2013 8:05 utc | 81

Rowan
Of course, if Amnesty would say that syrian rebels commit warcrimes then you hypocrites hail Amnesty.

Posted by: Anonymous | Jul 12 2013 8:41 utc | 83

Anonymous | Jul 12, 2013 4:41:10 AM | 83 -Anon, your so funny girl – HRG’s go any way the funding goes – They condemn both side, so here is a Hail AI – “a recent report from Human Rights Watch noting armed Syrian opposition groups had been torturing and summarily executing detainees in Aleppo, Latakia and Idlib”. If I cite all the AI against the rebels in Syria it would be a post of Hail stone! Once you finish your studies you can join the UN, or a NGO, even form your own little NGO/NPO get out there and see a little, you will have a vision (Required) but make sure it is broad enough to attract the funding, one day Egypt, the next a merry dance elsewhere, just as the wind blow, they all change direction.

Posted by: kev | Jul 12 2013 9:55 utc | 85

PS: I think I’ve made a mistake in the above, which is too late to correct now but may cause some head-scratching by al-Akhbar readers. What I meant was that, the way I see it, Israel’s veto over US covert use of Jihadis only really covers Israel’s immediate neighbours, Egypt, Jordan, Syria and Lebanon, and by extension, Turkey and maybe Iraq and Sudan and other parts of north Africa — ie, places from which real Jihadis (as opposed to phony, CIA- or Mukhabarat-controlled ones) might easily start attacking Jewish targets, and/or Israel itself. But for some reason, I started pedantically trying to list all the other regions in the world where I don’t imagine Israel has this veto, and inexplicably I ended up saying that Israel had a veto on such activity in ‘central and South America’. I don’t think that’s what I meant, unless I had some intricate calculation in mind that I’ve now forgotten. So sorry about that.
🙂

Posted by: Rowan Berkeley | Jul 12 2013 10:15 utc | 87

Of course, if Amnesty would say that syrian rebels commit warcrimes then you hypocrites hail Amnesty.
Posted by: Anonymous | Jul 12, 2013 4:41:10 AM | 83
the FSA and alnusra are mostly not syrian and not rebels at all and they do commit war crimes.Your support for them marks u as a troll on this site
tunisian exjihadist tells it like it is
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OxgFR9vYSmY‎
Mother of Tunisian Jihadist Weeps as She Apologizes to the Syrian …
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ays0BN081Ok‎
Guess who massacred at Houla
http://www.globalresearch.ca/the-houla-massacre-opposition-terrorists-killed-families-loyal-to-the-government/31184

Posted by: brian | Jul 12 2013 10:29 utc | 89

brian
Here is Amnesty condemning rebel warcrimes.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/middle-east-live/2013/mar/14/syria-crisis-rebel-war-crimes-rising-amnesty-live
Are you still going to discredit them for being “zionists” “jews” and other antisemitic conspiracy theories?
kev
You seems quite obsessed with me, sorry I am not interested because I am heterosexual 🙂

Posted by: Anonymous | Jul 12 2013 10:51 utc | 91

brian
Amnesty dont make political judgment (they dont take a stance in conflicts, as secterians – as you do systematically do) they inspect that human rights are followed. Thats why they caution suppyling arms based on the warcrimes issue.
So again when Amnesty say rebels commit warcrimes, you certainly accept Amnesty reports. Thats hypocritical of you because when they dont, you call them “jews” “zionist” and other racist nonsense.

Posted by: Anonymous | Jul 12 2013 11:56 utc | 93

amnesty dont make political judgements? well they did when they hired a former state dept person
http://mondoweiss.net/2012/06/amnesty-intl-collapse-new-head-is-former-state-dept-official-who-rationalized-iran-sanctions-gaza-onslaught.html
the ‘rebels’ are not rebels…was this man a ‘rebel’?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OxgFR9vYSmY‎
most of the ‘rebels’ arent even syrian…so how can they be’rebels’?
nice try but Amnesty is history

Posted by: brian | Jul 12 2013 12:26 utc | 95

Anonymous | Jul 12, 2013 8:39:01 AM | 96- Having worked with donor funding for 20+ years and know it’s all a chase; in short they follow the money. They all lean, it how they get funding – http://www.ngo-monitor.org/article/amnesty_international
like I said once you finish your studies, you can get out an learn.

Posted by: kev | Jul 12 2013 13:06 utc | 97

NGO Monitor’s grand table of NGO funding is widely cited by friend and foe alike:
http://www.ngo-monitor.org/article/ngo_leadership_in_boycott_and_divestment_campaigns#table

Posted by: Rowan Berkeley | Jul 12 2013 14:10 utc | 99