U.S. Targeted By Russian, Chechen Insurgency Propaganda

April 21, 2013

The Russian government induces some smart propaganda by buying advertisement space in U.S. media. This to make the connection between the Boston marathon bomber, Chechen insurgents and U.S. sponsored terrorism in Syria.

The right advertisement column of the Washington Post homepage is currently filled with links to Russia Beyond The Headlines, a multi-language site run by a Russian government paper.

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The current top story at the RBTH site is Suspected Boston bombers linked to Russia’s Caucasus but the top story featured in the RBTH advertisement at WashingtonPost.com is Chechen ‘Jihadist International’ emerges in Syria.

It is a prominent reminder for U.S. citizens that their government is promoting the same terrorism is Syria that hit them in Boston. Well done Mr. Putin.

Meanwhile the insurgency in Chechnya, the Command of the Mujahideen Vilayat Dagestan IR, just released their own statement (in Russian) about the Boston incidents. Points gleaned from the auto-translated text:

Any relation of the Boston event with our fight is just speculative
We don't fight the United States. We are at war with Russia for its occupation of the Caucasus and for its "heinous crimes against Muslims"
We do not strike civilian targets
The media should stop their speculations and the repetition of Russian propaganda.

The last paragraph is the most interesting as it introduces a conspiracy theory that could gain some grounds with neoconned, rightwing Russia bashers like the Washington Post editors:

If the U.S. government is really interested in establishing the true organizers of explosions in Boston, and are not complicit in Russian play, then they should focus on involvement in the events occurring Russian security services.

The theory of Russian security services involvement in the Boston event does not make much sense. Why did those services alarm the FBI about Tamerlan Tsarnaev back in 2011 if he was, knowingly or unknowingly, one of their agents?

Aside from that plausibility the Chechen insurgents, like their neocon friends, do not have a good record on truth. Their assertions not to strike at civilians runs counter to the record. The Russian propaganda is more believable.

Posted by b on April 21, 2013 at 13:35 UTC | Permalink

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it continues … According to Iswestiya Tamerlan Tsarnaew was hired by the US through a Georgian NGO connected with the Jamestown Foundation taking part in Seminars in 2012
This here is a Jamestown Report on a “North Caucasus conference” in Turkey which does not seem to be written from the point of view of a neutral observer.

In fact, the title “Conference of Caucasus Diasporas” would have been the most appropriate option since the event’s participants were made up of Caucasus Emirate supporters. There were far fewer than the stated “450 delegates” present at the conference; counting women and children who came to the conference, as the jihadi websites did, was misleading. Yet, the importance of this event did not depend on how many people attended. Even if there had been only a couple dozen participants, it would still have been noteworthy since it was the first conference of its kind to be organized by the Caucasus Emirate and held abroad. The conference was designed to show the unified support of the Caucasus diasporas for the Caucasus Emirate and recognize its leader, Doku Umarov, as the only legitimate authority in the North Caucasus. All of the speakers at the conference expressed support for the Caucasus Emirate and its leader…
Both video recordings to the Chechens and Muslims of Russia were made against the backdrop of a mass gathering of people. The recordings were probably made at the meeting of commanders of the Western Chechnya sector that took place at a militant base on April 29. Umarov was flanked by his naib (deputy) Emir Khamzat on the left and by Emir Zaurbek on the right. Emir Zaurbek came from the group under Hussein Gakaev’s command in eastern Chechnya.
The jihadists appear determined to launch an ideologically-charged campaign. For a long time, the North Caucasus jihadi ideology was dominated by the constructs of separatist ideologue Movladi Udugov who operates the Kavkazcenter website. Udugov scored a propaganda victory during the first Chechen war in 1994-1996. It is likely that more events, which strive to demonstrate greater international support for the ideas of the Caucasus Emirate, will follow.
However, there is a significant barrier: the Caucasus Emirate’s members adhere to the principle that “he who is not on our side is our enemy,” which will not find much acceptance among an Internet audience. Therefore, supporters of the Caucasus Emirate will need to stop indulging in placing labels on everybody else and instead look for common interests, such as focusing on the primary goal of making the North Caucasus independent of the Russian Federation.“

Sounds like they are in the role of advisor. And sounds like Tsarnaev walked into this US – Russian minefield.

Posted by: somebody | Apr 24 2013 18:42 utc | 201

Mairbek Vatchagaev, the Jamestown author of the above rebel sympathetic article is mentioned as an expert in this Salon Globalpost article which portrays the Caucasian emirate rebels as dangerous terrorists but is silent on the fact that they hold conferences in Turkey with Jamestown advisers present.

He’s reported to have helped with house repairs, slept late and spent a lot of time praying and studying the Koran. Although some locals say he frequented a radical mosque, family members deny he traveled to the mountainous strongholds of Dagestan’s Islamist rebels.
Even in Makhachkala, however, insiders say he would surely have faced frequent exposure to the deadly conflict between the militants and Russian security forces.
“If you go to Makhachkala, you hear people killed every night, there are attacks against the police, or somebody setting off a bomb. I’m talking every day, not once a week or once a month,” says Mairbek Vatchagaev, a historian and former official in the Chechen government that tried to break away from Russia in early 1990s.
“The official line from the Kremlin is that everything is fine in the North Caucasus and that tourists should come and visit, but the reality is that there’s a war going on there,” Vatchagaev said from his home in Paris. “I don’t have the exact figures, but last year alone there were around 700 people killed in this conflict between the Russians and the radical Islamists.”
The region’s largest Islamist rebel group, the Mujahideen of the Caucasus Emirate, issued astatement denouncing “speculative assumptions” that Tsarnaev may have been associated with it.
“The Caucasian Mujahideen are not fighting against the United States of America. We are fighting against Russia,” it said.
However, the group’s leader Doku Umarov has previously railed against the United States as an enemy. Preachers spreading the radical forms of Islam, which have taken hold in the region since the brutal wars with Russia in the 1990s, frequently denounce the West as well as Russia.
A July 2011 United Nations document explaining the UN decision to blacklist the Caucasus Emirate as an Al Qaeda associated terrorist organization, cites Umarov calling on his supporters “to engage in war not only against the Russian State but also against all states.”
Yes, the US is supporting Al Qaeda in the Caucasus and yes, it bites back at home. And yes, it is doing so against his interest as no US businessman will be save in the Libyan or Caucasian emirates.
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However, he told GlobalPost it was unlikely the Boston attacks would lead to any effective Russian action against the Islamist radicals in the Caucasus.
“They are stretched to the maximum and there is no easy variable to turn on a greater intensity of policing in the North Caucasus,” said Emerson, now a senior analyst at the Center for European Policy Studies think-tank. “They’re desperately stretched and considerably ineffective there as it is, and they can’t change that.”

Posted by: somebody | Apr 24 2013 19:25 utc | 202

more on that Caucasus conference in Turkey in 2012

On May 13, Istanbul hosted a conference, organized by the Circassian community in Turkey and a non-governmental organization, Imkander, to discuss the future of the Circassian community in Russia, but also the Caucasus as a whole. Some of the slogans of the conference could not be clearer: “I is not our fate to be a Russian colony,” or “Caucasus without Russia.”
During the conference, a representative of the Chechen diaspora in Austria Vakha Banzhaev clearly said that Dokku Umarov was the leader of the United Caucasus. Dokku Umarov proclaimed the establishment of the Caucasus Emirate, where Chechnya was just one of many provinces. (In fact, the Caucasus Emirate was proclaimed in 2007 – KC)
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All this caused, of course, a diplomatic wrath of Russian authorities, but the fact is that Turkey is a new kind of ideological base for the Circassian action, as in 1920, when Istanbul was the rear base for pan-Turkism and pan-Turan solidarity..
The support by some members of the Circassian diaspora has resulted in demonstrations in the United States, Australia, Britain, Turkey and Georgia. This list of countries says a lot about the geopolitical orientation of the movement.
Some foreign Circassians, probably, inspired by the Moscow protest movement, “The White Ribbon”, have created a kind of “The Green Belt”. Is this a coincidence or a wish for the Circassian Spring modeled on the Arab Spring and the Color Revolutions?
So inevitably, the Turkish influence in the southern part of Eurasia increases, from the Caucasus to China’s Xinjiang, Does Turkey encourage separatism?
Russia and China have already organized within the framework of the SCO military exercises to combat separatism, Chechen and Uighur. Is there a need to see this is a warning to Turkey, which, recall, is the second military power in the NATO?
The Russian diplomacy has work up to the neck in this region, since it is obvious that the center of gravity of world politics now lies in the heart of Eurasia, and particularly in the Caucasus, which has been already called by some people the Balkans of the 21st century”.

Posted by: somebody | Apr 24 2013 19:58 utc | 203

John Kerry puts his foot in his mouth

“Well, of course we have the same problem. We just had a young person who went to Russia, Chechnya, who blew people up in Boston,” Kerry said. “So he didn’t stay where he went, but he learned something where he went and he came back with a willingness to kill people.“

Posted by: somebody | Apr 24 2013 20:26 utc | 204

@197, so true; garbage in, garbage out, the flaw of all DB’s. Systems like i2 are fantastic tools if you live in “I am registered’ like credit/phone/isp/ip/car reg/payments, and is great to link possible associations, in short if you are in something like i2, the analyst can tell what you eat, where you eat, who you phone, where you fill your car, and map your day and lifestyle; but if you want a spanner and knock the system into a tangent machine, something a simple as a typo, or feed it garbage, the other is not to be electronic i.e. cash user, no registrations hence why such systems dont work in the 3rd world. The other problem is its ability, it can link the most anal info to anyone and anything, in short if ‘you’ use twitter/FB, and blog on the story, ‘you’ are a part of the linkage, so the system is loaded with useless or non related ‘tangible’ data sets; the part that vets and cleans data is human, ‘analysts’ (dealing intel), and like most things human, fallible or manipulative; or presumptuous to a point of arrogance, the yah…but types.

Posted by: kev | Apr 24 2013 22:53 utc | 205

CIA wanted Boston suspect on terror watch list

The CIA submitted the name of one of the Boston Marathon bombing suspects for a terrorist watch list in fall 2011 after an inquiry about Tamerlan Tsarnaev from Russian authorities concerned about his possible ties to extremists, a U.S. intelligence official said Wednesday. The official spoke on condition of anonymity because he is not authorized to discuss the case publicly.
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Tsarnaev’s inclusion on the Terrorist Identities Datamart Environment (TIDE), a list of more than 500,000 names, is raising questions from lawmakers about why federal authorities did not continue to monitor Tamerlan Tsarnaev who, following the FBI inquiry, left for a six-month trip to Russia on Jan. 12, 2012.

Just as I had assumed above:
Officials: Suspect unarmed when arrested in boat

Two U.S. officials say the surviving suspect in the Boston bombings was unarmed when police captured him hiding inside a boat in a neighborhood back yard.
Authorities originally said they had exchanged gunfire with Dzhokhar Tsarnaev (joh-KHAHR’ tsahr-NEYE’-ehv) for more than one hour Friday evening before they were able to subdue him.
The officials, speaking on condition of anonymity because they were not authorized to discuss the ongoing investigation, say investigators recovered a 9 mm handgun believed to have been used by Tsarnaev’s brother, Tamerlan, from the site of a gun battle Thursday night, which injured a Massachusetts Bay Transportation Authority officer. Dzhokhar was believed to have been shot before he escaped.
The officials tell The Associated Press that no gun was found in the boat. Boston Police Commissioner Ed Davis said earlier that shots were fired from inside the boat.

Also: Officials: Boston suspect had no firearm when barrage of bullets hit hiding place

Although police feared he was heavily armed, the suspect in the Boston Marathon bombing had no firearms when he came under a barrage of police gunfire that struck the boat where he was hiding, according to multiple federal law enforcement officials.
Authorities said they were desperate to capture Dzhokhar Tsarnaev so he could be questioned. The FBI, however, declined to discuss what prompted the gunfire.
Other law enforcement officials said the shooting may have been prompted by the chaos of the moment and some action that led the officers to believe Tsarnaev had fired a weapon or was about to detonate explosives.

Yeah. He was wounded and lifted a hand to give himself up and the police opened fire from all available guns.

Posted by: b | Apr 25 2013 4:09 utc | 206

Oh Noes!!!!
That would mean that all those “anonymous US Law Enforcement officials” that assured us there was a “gun-battle” at the boat, were lying through their teeth.
It was instead an attempted murder by Police Officers. What will they think of next?
Gee, that’s really shocking, huh?
“anonymous Officials”, lying through their teeth. How totally unpredictable could you get. It’s a damn good thing we have ethical Journalists to sort the chaff from the wheat when it comes to the statements of “anonymous Officials”, eh?
After all, one thing we KNOW we can rely on in this world is the “Ethics of Journalists”, right?
Apparently one can “always depend on the ethics of the reporter,” to point us in the right direction when “anonymous Officials” start lying through their teeth, or so I’ve been reliably informed by one of my most trustworthy anonymous sources.

The CIA submitted the name of one of the Boston Marathon bombing suspects for a terrorist watch list in fall 2011 after an inquiry about Tamerlan Tsarnaev from Russian authorities concerned about his possible ties to extremists, a U.S. intelligence official said Wednesday. The official spoke on condition of anonymity because he is not authorized to discuss the case publicly.

Well if an “anonymous U.S. intelligence official” said it, it MUST be true. Good thing it was not an “anonymous US Law Enforcement Official” that said it though – cos those anonymous “Law Enforcement” guys are, like, TOTAL liars.

Posted by: yah . . . But | Apr 25 2013 4:52 utc | 207

New York Times

Law enforcement officials now say they have recovered only one gun elsewhere, which they believe was used by Mr. Tsarnaev’s older brother, Tamerlan — not the three previously reported. And initial reports that the brothers first came to the attention of the police after robbing a 7-Eleven were wrong. The police were called to a gas station convenience store early Friday after a man who said he had been carjacked by the marathon bombers escaped and sought help.
The catalyst that set the violent night in motion was the shooting death of Officer Collier, officials said. It came about five hours after the F.B.I. released pictures of the two suspects in the bombings and asked the public’s help in identifying them.

I wonder where the “elsewhere” is. Above article is also careful not to put the blame of the killing of the police officer on the two Tsarnaevs. If he was shot, it does not seem to have been with the one gun they found.
The amount of “official leaks” is amazing. It makes me think this plot was not official policy.

Posted by: somebody | Apr 25 2013 4:53 utc | 208

“The amount of “official leaks” is amazing. It makes me think this plot was not official policy.”
I said it before, and by golly I’ll say it again : This guy is a Comedy Genius!!!!

Posted by: yah . . . But | Apr 25 2013 5:03 utc | 209

more Jamestown, Professor Brian Glyn Williams advised the younger brother on the Chechen conflict by E-Mail

Posted by: somebody | Apr 25 2013 5:28 utc | 210

http://www.bollyn.com/home/#article_14053

Posted by: DM | Apr 25 2013 5:40 utc | 211

@ 210
Sorry but that article of yours starts out with some unbelievable bullshit
Paragraph 2:

“Dzhokhar Tsarnaev, whose family fled the horrors of the Russian occupation, was about to learn about some harrowing things he escaped from at a very young age.”

This is complete and absolute nonsense – The father was living in Kazakhstan looooooong before the Russians “occupied” Chechnya. The mother was Dagestani. They were not escaping any “Russian-occupation”.
Also it seems much more likely to me that the father, far from being a supporter of the Chechen “rebels”, was more likely sympathetic to the Russians or the Russian puppet Gov’ts in Chechnya. Admittedly this is a guess on my part, but from everything I have read the father does not come across as a supporter of the US-sponsored Chechen “rebels”.

Posted by: yah . . . But | Apr 25 2013 5:56 utc | 212

Jamestown analyses the situation between the US, Russia and the Caucasian Emirate

Could the Russian security services somehow be involved in any way in the Boston attack? Here we need to step back and remember the long-standing Russian propaganda campaign about Western security services fueling discontent and uprisings in the North Caucasus, including ethnic rivalry, the spread of radical Islamism, as well as financing and training of terrorist activities (http://www.rg.ru/2010/10/28/region.html). If this is purely Russian propaganda for internal consumption, then it should be taken for what it is. However, if the Russian leadership or a segment of the Russian authorities genuinely believes that the West, including the US, make use of Islamic radicals in the North Caucasus to “bring Russia to its knees,” then it is plausible that some influential people in the security services in Moscow may consider similar acts against the US as justifiable, or at the very least as conforming with the “rules of the game.”
There may also be a “cumulative effect.” While it is widely believed that the Russian government was involved in murdering Alexander Litvinenko in London in 2006 and murdering a critic of Ramzan Kadyrov in Vienna in 2009, this did not create much of a backlash in the West against the Russian authorities. At the same time one should not rule out that the Russian forces behind those attacks could have decided to continue such practices, particularly in light of the fact that the Kremlin saw a heavy US hand in backing the Russian-led opposition during the recent Moscow demonstrations last year.
Alternatively, of course, it may be that Tamerlan Tsarnaev had contacts with Doku Umarov’s Caucasus Emirate and staged the attack on the orders of the North Caucasian insurgency. The problem with this hypothesis is that Umarov announced a halt to targeting civilians in February 2012 and, since then, the insurgents have not been involved in indiscriminate violence against civilians, although there have been some attacks against civilian individuals. On April 21, the Dagestani jamaat denied any involvement in the attack in Boston (http://vdagestan.com/zayavlenie-v-svyazi-s-sobytiyami-v-bostone-ssha.djihad). Having learned of Chechens becoming involved in the civil conflict in Syria, Umarov further urged them to refrain from participating in this distant conflict, while the war in the North Caucasus is ongoing (see EDM, March 29). In these conditions it is quite unlikely that Umarov could have ordered an attack on the US.
Whether Tamerlan Tsarnaev had some dealings with the Russian security services or with the North Caucasian insurgency—or with both—during his visit in 2012, the fact remains that less than a year after his lengthy trip he appears to have committed a terrorist attack on US soil. This invites a double-pronged response to the external side of the terrorist threat, contingent upon final results of the investigation.
First, the United States may have to start paying greater attention to resolving the conflict in the North Caucasus. The Russian authorities have emphasized that the situation in the region is an internal Russian affair, but in light of the latest events, the situation in the North Caucasus in all likelihood has started to have an adverse effect on other countries and ceased being simply Russia’s domestic matter. Second, the US should decide whether Russia has joined the cohort of states, such as Pakistan, where radicals are trained or inspired to carry out attacks against Western countries. If so, travel and extensive contacts with Russia by certain individuals will likely become more intensely monitored.

Oh no, no, no it was not the Emirate, oh well maybe it was … :-))

Posted by: somebody | Apr 25 2013 6:06 utc | 213

And yet again, further down the article, more complete bullshit:

In Williams’ view, Chechnya has an undeserved reputation as a hatchery of terrorists, including al-Qaida and the Taliban.

Bullshit. Whatever about AlQ and the Talibs, Chechnya has a very well-deserved reputation as a “hatchery of terrorists”.

“Foreign fighters did come in and radicalized people,” Williams said. For some, “they transformed the form of war from a national one to a full-blown terrorist jihad.”
But he charges there is no basis for an al-Qaida link, or even a Taliban link, for that matter.

Funny that, because who then are the “foreign Fighters” if not AlQ or some group very like them? Notice that he does not say.

But years of Russian disinformation, 9/11, and a sloppy American media worsened Chechnya’s reputation.

Yeah, riiiiight.
It had absolutely nothing to do with the FACT that we KNOW that the US was part-funding these Chechen “rebels”. Nor anything to do with their actions such as the Beslan School Children Massacre
Also note that the liar that wrote this, , and the liar Professor, , and the liar Professorboth make absolutely no mention of the Beslan massacre of school children.
Personally I’d feel that that massacre of Russian children had a LOT to do with “worsening Chechnya’s Reputation”, yet this liar makes no mention of it at all.

Posted by: yah . . . But | Apr 25 2013 6:08 utc | 214

yes yah, Chechens used to have a nationalist secular anti-imperialist movement which was morphed into Al Qaeda and an Emirate by whom do you think? Giving a bad name to Islam and to Chechens. All this when Chechens are Sufis not Wahhabis?
The pattern from Pakistan, Afghanistan, Iraq to Syria, Mali …
So Syria is part of the US planned destabilization via Turkey reaching from the Caucasus to China and – as Kerry said – Tamerlan Tsarnaev – who was trained presumably – did not stay there, but went back to the US.
This will happen in Europe when the war in Syria is over.

Posted by: somebody | Apr 25 2013 6:36 utc | 215

” This will happen in Europe when the war in Syria is over.”
oh rly?
So we should all be suspicious of our Muslim neighbours, then? Is that what you are trying to imply?
One day they’ll rise up and slaughter us in our beds, is that it?
We Euro’s better watch out for dem Muslims, eh?
Let’s git em, before they git us!!!

Posted by: yah . . . But | Apr 25 2013 6:58 utc | 216

yah, google “Sufi” “Wahhabi” :-))

Posted by: somebody | Apr 25 2013 7:03 utc | 217

Since we now know that Joker was unarmed in the boat, he could not possibly have shot himself in the throat in some imaginary failed attempt at suicide.
Any one paying attention will note that this is the exact opposite of what we have been told by virtually ALL the newsmedia commenting on this.
It is also the exact opposite of what we have been told by “Law Enforcement Officials” – both the named ones and the anonymous ones.

Posted by: yah . . . But | Apr 25 2013 7:27 utc | 218

“yah, google “Sufi” “Wahhabi” “
Out of the 2 of us, I suspect you would learn a damn sight more, by doing that, than I would

Posted by: yah . . . But | Apr 25 2013 7:29 utc | 219

oh, these radical Islamists how typical …

The suspects in last week’s bombings in Boston may have been planning to party in New York, that city’s police commissioner, Ray Kelly, told reporters Wednesday, citing comments from the younger brother. “Information that we received said something about partying, having a party,” he said.

Posted by: somebody | Apr 25 2013 7:30 utc | 220

219) b. I report yah as a bot. it just reached the limit of its artificial intelligence :-))

Posted by: somebody | Apr 25 2013 7:36 utc | 221

Cup of tea anyone?

Posted by: kev | Apr 25 2013 7:37 utc | 222

One sugar, slice of lemon please.

Posted by: yah . . . But | Apr 25 2013 7:43 utc | 223

WHO IS MISHA? New convert, new friend of Tamerlan. Disappears after bombing. Could he be the mastermind? Is he an operative? With which foreign or domestic intelligence service?
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2314095/The-hunt-Misha-Bomb-investigators-search-mysterious-bald-red-bearded-Armenian-man-accused-radicalizing-Tamerlan.html

Posted by: kalithea | Apr 25 2013 7:49 utc | 224

“So Syria is part of the US planned destabilization via Turkey “
you do realise that I’m not the only one that will notice that that statement is pretty much the opposite of the line of bullshit you were repeatedly pimping for here, little more than a mere 6 months ago, right?

Posted by: yah . . . But | Apr 25 2013 7:50 utc | 225

via the ever informative Penny :

Suffice to say, the Great Game goes on – Tsarnaev or no Tsarnaev – because the Boston bombing may ultimately have little to do with US-Russia relations. The Chinese commentators are perhaps close to the point when they say the Boston bombing has more to do with the US’s deepening domestic problems and its “sluggishness” in addressing them and the “gains and losses in the international sense” become irrelevant.
The real challenge facing Obama is not that the US-Russia reset has become moribund as a result of which the US’s homeland security has suffered, but that such incidents like the Boston bombing, as Global Times newspaper commented, “will serve as catalysts pushing partisanship to extremes” in America, which is already facing “serious polarization of politics and society”. Asia times

Posted by: yah . . . But | Apr 25 2013 7:56 utc | 226

via Penny once again ‘Hundreds of Europeans’ fighting along Syrian rebels

Some 500 Europeans are believed to be fighting alongside armed opposition forces against the troops of Syrian President Assad, EU counter-terrorism coordinator has told BBC.

Gilles de Kerchove said in the interview not all of them were radical when they left for Syria “but most likely many of them will be radicalized there, will be trained,” he added.

Gilles is full of horse hooey. If there are 500 Europeans fighting in Syria, they were trained and shipped to Turkey by the EU/NATO.
NATO’s Irish fighters played a big role in the Libya destabilization. Linking back to Turkey and the Mavi Marmara, too.

Posted by: yah . . . But | Apr 25 2013 8:13 utc | 227

“presumptuous to a point of arrogance, the yah…but type”
Curiously enough, other than presuming that every word from the mouths of US Law Enforcement Officials is probably a lie, I’m about the only person here NOT making any presumptions regarding this. Amazing how bitter, dishonest & pathetic some people become when you disagree with them

Posted by: yah . . . But | Apr 25 2013 9:27 utc | 228

other than presuming that every word from the mouths of US Law Enforcement Officials is probably a lie
Very good advice for everyone. Always assume that proven liars are lying unless they can prove otherwise. Media, spooks, politicians, ‘Law Enforcement’ – all proven liars.

Posted by: DM | Apr 25 2013 11:46 utc | 229

Full & Complete Transcript of UNITED STATES OF AMERICA v JOKER TSARNAEV – Monday, April 22, 2013 – PDF
Not so much as ONE word in that transcript regarding his alleged “guilty” statement, as brought to us by the MSM and “anonymous US Law Enforcement sources”.
Also no mention whatsoever regarding any alleged statements which, again according to “anonymous US Law Enforcement sources”, he is supposed to have made as regards to “motive”.
Basically both the Media and the “anonymous US Law Enforcement sources” are lying through their teeth

Posted by: yah . . . But | Apr 25 2013 11:50 utc | 230

@228, my dear, were you assuming I meant you? But no; I was referring to lucas and his imagery of Vicky by characterisation in the series ‘little Britain! Assumption is not clarity or is it absolution, or is it fact for that matter. BTW, in the series, factual or assumption, Vicky reacts to any accusation with indent outrage, funny that!

Posted by: kev | Apr 25 2013 12:06 utc | 231

Since this is based merely on Photos taken of the apt Tamburlaine lived in, and published by the MSM, it in no way is conclusive.

“Most notably: not a trace of any explosive, incendiary or other bomb-preparing equipment or residue, no evidence of terrorist activity, and no weapons. So where did the two put together the numerous bombs they are said to have prepared?”
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2013-04-21/inside-ground-zero-photos-suspects-apartment

BOSTON: 2 BOMBERS WERE LIKELY PLANNING ON OTHER ATTACKS AFTER ‘LOADS OF UNEXPLOADED DEVICES’ FOUND IN HOME & ON SCENE OF THE GUN BATTLE. BPD

— 911 Operator (@911BUFF) April 21, 2013

However, in many similar cases authorities frequently put on public display some of the incriminating evidence such as bombs etc. they may have found in searching the accommodation of those accused.
Usually the media attend and then photos are plastered all over the MSM for days if not weeks later.
So far no such event has occurred in relation to these two alleged bombers.

Posted by: yah . . . But | Apr 25 2013 12:11 utc | 232

@231 – yawn

Posted by: yah . . . But | Apr 25 2013 12:13 utc | 233

Here’s the media lying again – BBC this time –

“The Tsarnaev family has origins in the predominantly Muslim republic of Chechnya in southern Russia.” – “>http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-22289200

The father was born in Kazakhstan – the mother is from Dagestan.
Neither of the parents have ever lived in Chechnya nor ever even so much as visited Chechnya, as far as I can tell, and again as far as I can tell, neither of the 2 sons have ever even so much as visited Chechnya.
But the MSM keeps pimping the meme that they are “from Chechnya”

Posted by: yah . . . But | Apr 25 2013 12:34 utc | 234

@234, you just figured that out? Bravo kid, your making progress…

Posted by: kev | Apr 25 2013 12:56 utc | 235

clearly “Kev” you have a chip on your shoulder about something.

Posted by: yah . . . But | Apr 25 2013 13:11 utc | 236

http://pennyforyourthoughts2.blogspot.ca/2013/04/part-3-boston-bombing-nato-oil-and_25.html
Heads up!
Not for those with ADD… you have been warned 😉

Posted by: Penny | Apr 25 2013 15:41 utc | 237

educated guessing on Misha

It would be disturbing if Tamerlan Tsarnaev — and by extension his brother — was the product of an abandoned government sting operation, for we will never know if Tamerlan would have set on down the path of radicalism without the guiding hand of the red-bearded Misha.
On the other hand, If Tamerlan was targeted by the FBI through Misha with the belief he was already vulnerable to developing into an active terrorist and then moved on, they forgot what one FBI agent told Aaronson: “Sometimes, that step takes 10 years. Other times, it takes 10 minutes.” To have targeted and molded and then forgotten would be negligence of the highest degree.

So the FBI did the sting operation in 2011, FSB picked up by Tsarnaev’s internet contact rewarned FBI and CIA, FBI concluded there was nothing and CIA thought him useful for the Caucasus?
add to the Kerry gaffe.

Posted by: somebody | Apr 25 2013 16:22 utc | 238

some Russian website says TT “attended a conference of Chechen Militants”.
Kerry, and various 3-letter US Law Enforcement agencies, have all implied that TT’s supposed “radicalisation” occurred on his trip to Dagestan.
The FSB on the other had has made at least one statement that TT met with no known militants or radicals while in Dagestan.
Which would seem to contradict both the Russian Website story and the claims by Kerry and all the other 3-letter US Law Enforcement agencies.
Kind of hard to “attend” some sort of “conference of Chechen Militants” without meeting some sort of known Chechen militants, I would have thought.
Who is more trustworthy in THIS instance?
Well, judged on their honesty so far regarding this matter, it certainly is NOT any of the 3-Letter US Law Enforcement agencies

Posted by: yah . . . But | Apr 25 2013 17:31 utc | 239

the Isvestija story goes mainstream now – with a disclaimer
Sibel Edmonds –

… I emphasized the role of the CIA rather than the FBI in evaluating the Boston Terror incident. Why? Because: 1-the suspects 100% fit the CIA recruitment profile; 2-The region being central to the CIA covert operations since the 1990s; 3- The suspect’s travel to the region (not the FBI MO but the CIA); 4- The classic occurrence of the FBI closing the case per CIA request and pressure… and much more. …

this here is Georgia Today

Georgia Today is Georgia’s leading independent English-language newspaper, published weekly since 2000. Georgia Today is distributed throughout Georgia and internationally, and has an office on the East Coast USA. With the largest distribution area and the highest quality of printing and layout, we pride ourselves on Georgia Today’s reliability, professionalism and constant striving for improvement.

And this is Georgia Today’s take what it is all about

Less than three weeks have passed since the release of the controversial report of the ombudsman and the Russian media has already begun reporting about possible links between official Georgian structures and the terrorists accused of the Boston bombings. According to the online publication of Izvestia, upon the invitation of Georgian special agencies, Tamerlan Tsarnaev, the suspected perpetrator of the April 15 Boston Marathon bombings, visited Tbilisi in 2012.
Back then, the former Prime Minister Vano Merabishvili called the accusations in the ombudsman’s report Russian propaganda. “This is a very stupid and anti-state statements and I pity the people who voice the direct orders of Russian Special Forces,” Merabishvili said after the release of the report.
The 800-page report of the ombudsman was released on April 1 and it discusses the clash of Georgian special agencies and Chechen guerillas in the Lopota Gorge at the end of August 2012. Based upon his own informer, ombudsman Ucha Nanuashvili, writes that the guerillas were formed, equipped and trained by the then authorities of the Georgian Interior Ministry.
The so-called “protocol” of Georgian special agencies was made public by Izvestia, which touches upon the goals and objectives of the Caucasian Fund, a local Georgian NGO. Based on the report of Colonel Grigol Chanturia, Izvestia states that the goal of the Caucasian Fund, which was created after the Georgian- S. Ossetian conflict, is to “manage processes in the North Caucasus”.

Posted by: somebody | Apr 25 2013 21:14 utc | 240

@somebody#213
Why on earth are you citing analysis from the right-wing hawkish Jamestown Foundation?

Posted by: Rusty Pipes | Apr 25 2013 21:17 utc | 241

I was also going to ask a similar question but decided against because some here, perhaps pre-disposed to taking offence at simple questions, would take it as a deliberate attack – admittedly my phraseology would probably have been slightly less “diplomatic” than yours, RP 😉

Posted by: yah . . . But | Apr 25 2013 21:26 utc | 242

but our mutual friend @213 does seem mightily enamoured with the very dubious output from the US-funded, Brzezinski-connected Jamestown Foundation
The fact that the Prof Williams he linked to is clearly a bare-faced liar does not seem to bother our mutual friend @213 one little bit.

Posted by: yah . . . But | Apr 25 2013 21:30 utc | 243

241) I assume, it sheds a light on what is going on, ie. part of the US establishment still very much involved in cold war actions in the Caucasus. I agree with Sibel Edmonds that the story of the Tsarnaev brothers belongs to the CIA not the FBI.
The meaning of the bombing is anybody’s projection as nobody has claimed it for any cause. Noone seems to notice that the brothers acted in a very American way. They did not do a suicide bombing. They had a Bonny and Clyde shoot out.

Posted by: somebody | Apr 25 2013 21:41 utc | 244

“I agree with Sibel Edmonds that the story of the Tsarnaev brothers belongs to the CIA not the FBI.”
Both yourself and Sybil seem to have forgotten that that info comes from the same authorities that have been caught lying at least 10 times now.
“I agree with Sibel Edmonds that the story of the Tsarnaev brothers belongs to the CIA not the FBI.”
So far not so much as one scrap of reliable evidence has been produced that the Brothers Tsarnaev engaged in any shoot-out at all. By that I mean there is no evidence that THEY ever returned fire after being attacked by the Police. Your claim of a Bonny&Clyde style reaction from the B.T. is completely without any reliable foundation.
The only evidence that has been produced was a series of very unreliable photos linked in this thread earlier – and as someone pointed out, even THAT series of photos showed a different series of events than that claimed by the Police – different number of vehicles for instance, and also with the exception of a black mark on the ground there was no evidence for any explosive devices in that series of photos, despite the fact that the Police claimed that the Brothers Tsarnaev had used IED’s in that alleged “shoot-out”.
So far it appears that you have learned absolutely nothing from the fact that the authorities have lied repeatedly in nearly every instance.
In fact almost every major claim made by the authorities in the immediate aftermath of the separate take-downs of both brothers has been later shown to be false.

Posted by: yah . . . But | Apr 25 2013 21:58 utc | 245

Correction: 2nd occurrence of “I agree with Sibel Edmonds that the story of the Tsarnaev brothers belongs to the CIA not the FBI.” in the comment above #245
should read ” Noone seems to notice that the brothers acted in a very American way. They did not do a suicide bombing. They had a Bonny and Clyde shoot out.”

Posted by: yah . . . But | Apr 25 2013 22:01 utc | 246

245) well the bullets were real, though most or all of them presumably had the same direction ….
yah, how come you never say what you think?

Posted by: somebody | Apr 25 2013 22:14 utc | 247

somebody
too long on reddit or G.W. Bush “Libaray”? 🙂

Posted by: neretva’43 | Apr 25 2013 23:24 utc | 248

248) actually I do not believe in virtual reality, maybe I should :-))

Posted by: somebody | Apr 25 2013 23:35 utc | 249

Oh I almost always say what I think – that’s why I’m having so many problems here, this last 12 hrs or so 🙂
But I guess you might be referring to why I have not offered up any theory regarding the bombings?
And I have given the answer several times – here it is again – almost every major claim made by the authorities in the immediate aftermath of the separate take-downs of both brothers has been later shown to be false.
With the exception of the blog-owner almost Everyone else here offered up opinion/speculation/scenarios based on what they were hearing in the media and from Law Enforcement Officials. Some even went to ridiculous lengths of offering up Pop-psycho analysis of what might have been going on in the heads of the Brothers Tsarnaev.
Some people are still doing things like that
And almost Everyone offering up opinion/speculation/scenarios ended up looking slightly foolish when all their hard-thought-out opinion/speculation/scenarios ended up looking just plain silly once it became clear that almost everything they thought the “knew” bout this was simply false.
I’m actually pretty astounded that after 10 years of this crap that people STILL appear to have not learned from past instances where the authorities had simply lied about everything.
Many people here claim not to trust the authorities, but that is not true it appears, because most people seemed to swallow, fairly rapidly, whatever the Media and authorities fed them – so deep down they must still harbour some level of trust for the Gov’t and even the media, despite that many would protest otherwise.
That in itself is a very worrying conclusion. If the people here, who KNOW the Gov’t and media lie all the time regarding Syria for example, still get conned by very obvious Gov’t lies, what chance do we, as humans, have when it comes to trying to wake-up the other [insert whatever % you like, here] of sheeple?
Frankly the widespread belief, evident here in the comments @ MOA, in what the media and Law enforcement initially claimed regarding these two brothers is downright depressing.
If people STILL don’t get it, after 10 years of seeing this sort of dishonesty play out time and time again, then what hope do we have?
Without any reliable facts to go on, with MSM offering up blatant lie after blatant lie, what is the point of offering up scenarios and speculation, based on MSM-supplied tidbits that are invariably blatant lies??
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Ok – all the above PLUS this – the only scenario I can come up with that includes ALL the known facts sounds so fucking crazy and paranoid that even I think it’s nuts.

Posted by: yah . . . But | Apr 25 2013 23:44 utc | 250

“241) I assume, it sheds a light on what is going on”
Actually it does the opposite imo – instead of shedding light, the Jamestown Foundation seems solely dedicated to casting a blanket of fog over the whole subject

Posted by: yah . . . But | Apr 25 2013 23:52 utc | 251

245) well the bullets were real, though most or all of them presumably had the same direction ….
THAT is about all that was real though. (In fact even the claimed direction of the bullets seems to questionable – and the NYT reported that these guys had at least 3 pistols and at least one machine gun of sorts – clearly a lie, now in hindsight.)
The rest appears to be complete fiction.
So why assume/presume that anything you have been told thus far, regarding this, has any basis in reality?

Posted by: yah . . . But | Apr 25 2013 23:58 utc | 252

it occurs to me that there SHOULD be a whole bunch of Dash-cam footage from the Police vehicles of that alleged “shoot out” including footage of the alleged IEDs TT was supposed to have thrown at the police.
What do you think are the odds that we will never see so much as one second of dash-cam footage of TT firing a weapon at Police?
Me? I’d say “fast approaching Zero”

Posted by: yah . . . But | Apr 26 2013 0:04 utc | 253

Quote from Micheal Crichton –

“Briefly stated, the Gell-Mann Amnesia effect is as follows:
You open the newspaper to an article on some subject you know well. In Murray’s case, physics. In mine, show business. You read the article and see the journalist has absolutely no understanding of either the facts or the issues. Often, the article is so wrong it actually presents the story backward—reversing cause and effect. I call these the “wet streets cause rain” stories. Paper’s full of them.
In any case, you read with exasperation or amusement the multiple errors in a story, and then turn the page to national or international affairs, and read as if the rest of the newspaper was somehow more accurate about Palestine than the baloney you just read. You turn the page, and forget what you know.
That is the Gell-Mann Amnesia effect.
I’d point out it does not operate in other arenas of life. In ordinary life, if somebody consistently exaggerates or lies to you, you soon discount everything they say.
In court, there is the legal doctrine of falsus in uno, falsus in omnibus, which means untruthful in one part, untruthful in all.
But when it comes to the media, we believe against evidence that it is probably worth our time to read other parts of the paper. When, in fact, it almost certainly isn’t. The only possible explanation for our behavior is amnesia.”

Posted by: yah . . . But | Apr 26 2013 0:29 utc | 254

250)yah . . . But, if you really believe this, why don’t you just shut up? As according to you it is impossible to know anything anyway? People get cheated anyway? Why are you wasting your time here, trolling a forum where people are exchanging their opionion on what is going on?
You are basically saying that people should not form an opinion on what is going on around them because they will not know anyway, because they will get cheated anyway. The powers that be are very happy when people resign to being powerless. The agenda you push here is reactionary as hell.

Posted by: somebody | Apr 26 2013 4:28 utc | 255

Canada thinks there is a third man linked to Al Qaeda arrested in New York

The government’s failure to deport Mr. Jaser allegedly proved costly for Canada: He and co-accused Chiheb Esseghaier, an immigrant from Tunisia, were charged this week with plotting to derail a passenger train traveling from New York to Toronto.
Both remain in custody, while the FBI is holding a third man in New York. The Toronto suspects are charged with conspiracy to interfere with transportation and conspiracy to commit murder in association with a terrorist group. The RCMP said the plot was linked to al-Qaeda.
Mr. Jaser’s status as a “stateless person,” meaning one who is a citizen of no country, stems from the unusual circumstances of his parents. His mother was born in Saudi Arabia, while his father was born in what is now Israel. Both were Palestinians but neither had citizenship in any country. Mr. Jaser was born in Abu Dhabi but he never acquired United Arab Emirates citizenship.
“I am not a citizen of the United Arab Emirates, I can’t be,” he told the Immigration and Refugee Board in 2004, according to a transcript of the hearing. “I am a Palestinian by blood, that does not give me any rights whatsoever in my place of birth.”
After living in Germany for two years, where they complained they had been “terrorized” by anti-immigrant groups, the Jaser family used fake passports to fly to Toronto in 1993. Their refugee claims were rejected, but since they were stateless, in 1998 they were allowed to stay under the “deferred removal” program.

Posted by: somebody | Apr 26 2013 4:59 utc | 256

The changing facts of the Boston investigation
there are obviously diverging interests how to make hay of this politically
– either the Tsarnaevs are individual misfits, hardly to be called terrorists, with one
handgun between them or
– they are very dangerous terrorists capable of shutting down large parts of a city,
possibly connected to plots in Canada and Spain, or
– they are foreign policy gone rogue
subculture wise they are bound to become heros.

Posted by: somebody | Apr 26 2013 5:42 utc | 257

somebody (255)

But, if you really believe this, why don’t you just shut up?

Because even if you were right – which you are quite certainly not (see below)) – not believing “this” (“this” meaning official statements? newspapers/media? Or what?) does not necessitate to refrain from discussions (I took the liberty to rephrase your rude way of saying it).

As according to you it is impossible to know anything anyway?

If I wasn’t mistaken, yah did not make such a statement. Or, in other words, the media are not the only way to know about things and events.

Why are you wasting your time here, trolling a forum where people are exchanging their opionion on what is going on?

a) using the word “trolling” you insinuate a negative intention and you imply that yah’s posts are less valuable than others.
b) Even if he just wasted his time there were no necessity to account for that, in particular to you (rather than to b)
c) you – without being invited or authorized to do so, take the liberty to speak for this forum, i.e. all of us.
While I can not make a statement for others (sic) I can definitely say that I for one did not in any way ask or authorize you to represent me.

You are basically saying that people should not form an opinion on what is going on around them because they will not know anyway, because they will get cheated anyway.

And again you imply that official statements and the media are the only way to get information about “what is going on around (us)”

The powers that be are very happy when people resign to being powerless.

Even if one were uninformed, that would not necessarily equate to being powerless.
—
While I wouldn’t use the term “wanker” (as has happened here) when talking to you I can’t but notice that your “j’accuse” is hardly more than vanity and nonsensical kitchen-brew quick-shot “arguments”.
How about applying the “shut up” part of your tirade yourself?
Your yah hunt is over. Get it and accept it.
Let’s discuss issues and matters and not members.

Posted by: Mr. Pragma | Apr 26 2013 7:05 utc | 258

258)
“Without any reliable facts to go on, with MSM offering up blatant lie after blatant lie, what is the point of offering up scenarios and speculation, based on MSM-supplied tidbits that are invariably blatant lies?”
so?

Posted by: somebody | Apr 26 2013 7:18 utc | 259

Why are you wasting your time here, trolling a forum where people are exchanging their opionion on what is going on?
My vote is for somebody to be kicked off this forum. Biggest pain-in-arse troll on this blog.

Posted by: DM | Apr 26 2013 7:53 utc | 260

“You are basically saying that people should not form an opinion on what is going on around them because they will not know anyway, because they will get cheated anyway.”
No – I am saying that forming stupid opinions is actually dangerous – every blatant lie that YOU have promoted here, (and you have promoted many things here that turned out to be lies, and it didn’t matter to you because you just went right on promoting the next lie that came along) was easily proven wrong using just basic logic most of the time.
One would have to ask “Why would somebody go on the internet and promote lie after lie like YOU have done”
What sort of person just does not care if the things he is saying are clearly lies?
What sort of an individual does THAT?
What sort of an individual seems to actually ENJOY promoting LIE after lie after lie?
That is what any sane person SHOULD be asking themselves, instead of launching personal attacks on ME for daring to point out the lies you have promoted here, time and time again
Obviously you’re still annoyed that I have poked great big gaping holes in every lie and in every nonsensical scenario you have tried to con people here into believing.
Well tough. Get over yourself.
Why anyone would go on the internet and repeatedly try to con others into believing lies is beyond me. Getting annoyed at me because I refused to believe your lies and nonsensical scenarios is just childish.
You got an apology earlier, but I withdraw it in your case – clearly you intend to continue with the hostility and animosity. Equally clearly you intend to continue with the promotion of the lies of the media

Posted by: yah . . But | Apr 26 2013 7:54 utc | 261

somebody (259)

“Without any reliable facts to go on, with MSM offering up blatant lie after blatant lie, what is the point of offering up scenarios and speculation, based on MSM-supplied tidbits that are invariably blatant lies?”

So -> There are other ways than to argue, speculate etc. based on MSM-supplied tidbits.
One might, for instance, engage in comparative analysis or one might (as some here do) focus on authors known a) to have a certain expertise and credibility in a given field and b) to have a good track-record in terms of independence and objectivity, aso.
Just look at Penny, a member of this forum, who is a good example of a knowledgable, selective, inquiring reader (and processor) – vs. wp and nyt quoters.

Posted by: Mr. Pragma | Apr 26 2013 7:56 utc | 262

“258)
“Without any reliable facts to go on, with MSM offering up blatant lie after blatant lie, what is the point of offering up scenarios and speculation, based on MSM-supplied tidbits that are invariably blatant lies?”
so?”
My apologies – at the time I wrote that I rather foolishly thought that you had some interest in what might be considered somewhat real and truthful and what is not – it has since become obvious that you actually prefer promoting lies rather than listening to anything that might have an element of truth in it.
Trust me, I won’t make that silly mistake again
I actually forgot what type of individual I was dealing with, which is pretty stupid since you certainly have shown repeatedly that prefer the promotion of lies over all else. I shall try not to make that stupid mistake in the future

Posted by: yah . . But | Apr 26 2013 7:59 utc | 263

Just look at Penny, a member of this forum, who is a good example of a knowledgable, selective, inquiring reader (and processor) – vs. wp and nyt quoters.
c&p is pretty much all this guy has – if google didn’t exist he’d be unable to offer up any commentary at all.

Posted by: yah . . But | Apr 26 2013 8:03 utc | 264

The powers that be are very happy when people resign to being powerless.
OMFG did he actually say THAT?
ahahahahahaha
like you care – dude you’re the one here promoting lie after lie, not me
seems he did – he also said The agenda you push here is reactionary as hell.
hahahaha – I see. What agenda?
Apparently in your mind you willingly and quite happily promoting lie after lie after lie is somehow going to HELP people?
Really?
that is something you thought up all by yourself is it?
Amazing how completely self-delusional some people can get, ain’t it?
This is like being attacked by a rabid sheep.

Posted by: yah . . But | Apr 26 2013 8:11 utc | 265

Yah.. but, just a question, not an attack, as you are a little like phosphorus; are you a ‘Brit’ hence the tag (Vicky), & OMFG (The ‘F’ very British),or are you an American.. I ask via your wording and grammar at times; “dude” “ain’t it” etc? Or are you a hybrid (I was, still am I suppose). Secondly, you are recent here and in the same light, everywhere, and double tap – comment after comment, even if not engaged (ADD?).
I give you this, you have energy, and time; you obviously scan many sites, often in an argumentative form to a view, also take a view or response that is +/- (Playing victim).
So have www knowledge, and who does not; yet it is clear you have/pocess no true experience or validity other than ‘quoted sources’ that all can reference.
I am not getting your ‘goal’ as a whole. What I mean is; you post with vigor, and you also antagonize with vigor where you feel the need. Is this ‘you’ as someone knows you?
I guess the only question I can ask is why; Or is this just the way you roll?

Posted by: kev | Apr 26 2013 12:52 utc | 266

” yet it is clear you have/pocess no true experience or validity other than ‘quoted sources’ that all can reference.”
well if you say so, “kev”. who am I to argue wiv ya?

Posted by: yah . . . But | Apr 26 2013 14:39 utc | 267

So the naked man video is no fake, is acknowledged, the man is supposed to be a different man but not identified. The mother says it is Tamerlan, the media makes her sound crazy however in this New York Times transcript of the parents‘ press interview she does not sound that at all.
And Misha is from Kazakhstan.

Posted by: somebody | Apr 27 2013 10:36 utc | 268

Read the Bollyn link @211. Download the high res images. Observe the hairline of the naked man. Run the images through any image processing software. Anyone still in any doubt about what went down here has just failed an IQ test.

Posted by: DM | Apr 27 2013 14:25 utc | 269

Note: There is NO SOURCE for that claim being made by the person posting this nonsense @269. None whatsoever. It’s just something the so-called “journalist” made up without any attribution whatsoever.
Some people seem incapable of learning anything from past mistakes.
Was it Einstein that said “repeating the same mistake over and over, and somehow expecting a different result is the definition of insanity”?
This is interesting though – “So the naked man video is no fake, is acknowledged, the man is supposed to be a different man but not identified. “
As far as I know no one has ever made any claim similar to that – What does “fake” mean in this context? Not a real human? Certainly no one ever said that. Weird how some people just seem to imagine things out of thin air.
“is acknowledged,”
acknowledged by whom?
Saying “is acknowledged” when NO SOURCE source for that so-called “acknowledgement” is even mentioned is frankly ludicrous.
From the article:

“But anyone who doesn’t consider himself an Infowars soldier can rest assured that the naked man was just a random guy, who was unlucky enough to look like a suspected terrorist—and lucky enough not to end up seriously hurt.”

Sound like All the sheeple are being told to just go back to sleep.
“Just some random guy”, eh? Nowhere in the article does the author provide so much as one shred of evidence that the man was “just some random guy”
Makes you wonder did the person that posted it even read it? Seems to me he just read a headline and posted the story cos he liked the headline.
In fact this is what the article actually said on the subject:

“(When I asked a Boston Police Department spokesman about their identities, he referred me to the F.B.I.; an F.B.I. spokeswoman referred me to the Watertown police; and I’m waiting to hear back from the Watertown lieutenant handling media inquiries.)”

That would in fact be the polar opposite of “is identified”.
“Is NOT identified” is the only possible honest description of that article
Certainly would lead one to the conclusion that the person that posted does not even read this crap before he posts it here.

Posted by: yah . . . But | Apr 27 2013 15:09 utc | 270

And then there is “Danny” the supposed “Chinese Entrepreneur” that allegedly had his car hi-jacked by the Brothers Tsarnaev.
Now where have we come across someone called “Danny” before? Oh yeah I remember. “Syrian Danny” the fake “activist Journalist”.
A sane and rational person might at this point begin to suspect that “Chinese Entrepreneur Danny” is about as real as “Syrian Danny”
Is “Danny” really the only name these people can come up with when they want to create a fake persona?

Posted by: yah . . . But | Apr 27 2013 15:23 utc | 271

Things are bad when one has to completely abandon “anonymous sources” and resort to “no source whatsoever” in order to gin-up some nonsense to post here.

Posted by: yah . . . But | Apr 27 2013 15:29 utc | 272

actually it occurred to me that “Syrian Danny” is in fact more “real” than “Chinese Entrepreneur Danny”.
“Syrian Danny” at least had an actual human behind the fake-persona. So far we have no evidence whatsoever that “Chinese Entrepreneur Danny” even has a human behind the fake-name “Danny”.
Dear oh dear.
Smells of complete desperation, tbh.

Posted by: yah . . . But | Apr 27 2013 15:33 utc | 273

Despite all the numerous and well-publicised MSM-reports of what Joker is alleged to have confessed to while supposedly being interrogated by the FBI, it now appears that, according to his mothers conversations with his Lawyers, he has not made ANY statements, written or otherwise, to the FBI interrogators.
So the MSM and the “anonymous sources” they claim to be receiving info from are probably lying about THAT too.

Mr. Tsarnaev: [regarding the visit by Tamburlain Tsarnaev to his Father] We bought an old apartment and did repairs there. He was with me. He did not go anywhere. He did not communicate with anybody. Sometimes we went to the mosque together, and that’s it.
Ms. Tsarnaeva: They said he even went to Georgia.
Mr. Tsarnaev: It’s all lies. Misinformation, and that’s it. One should not accuse a person now. What for? It’s mean. He was seen here by everyone. There are all kinds of special services here which work efficiently. They had to know everything, be it Georgia or whatever, why say stupid things?
Q: Why do you think the Russian special services applied to the F.B.I.?
Mr. Tsarnaev: Nobody applied; this is lie. I heard on the news that he came here twice.
Ms. Tsarnaeva: They told us this.
Mr. Tsarnaev: He came to Russia for the first time since he was little child. He was not here for 10 years.
Q: Your son Dzhokhar told investigators that he was motivated by Islamic extremism, you must have seen that?
Mr. Tsarnaev: Who saw this?
Ms. Tsarnaeva: I’ll answer. Advokats [lawyers], the ones that are with Dzhokhar. They told me even yesterday that he was not questioned yet. Where does this information come from? Where is this information come from? Dzhokhar said that, you know, that only his brother and him were involved there. Nobody is there. Where does this information come from? He has not been questioned yet.
Q: Investigators haven’t told you what he has said to them?
Ms. Tsarnaeva: His advokats, his lawyers, are talking to us, right? Even yesterday we asked them, ‘Has Dzhokhar done any, like, answering? Did they question him?’ They told us: ‘No. Dzhokhar has not been questioned yet. By no one.’ ”
Q: Investigators told you that?
Mr. Tsarnaev: No, not investigators.
Ms. Tsarnaev: His lawyers that are every day with him there. Because we have the right to talk to them so they talk to us now. You know, every day they talk to us. They give us the information, how is Dzhokhar doing. What is he — ‘cause I want to know what my son, my child, is eating or is there any change in his condition. So of course I ask, and they are telling us the details. So no one — I don’t know who and where that is coming from. From who? Dzhokhar gave the written notice that me and Tamerlan, my oldest brother, motivated, and there is no one else — him and me. Dzhokhar did not even write. He is not even writing. He does not; he is not even speaking. And they did not even question him.

Posted by: yah . . . But | Apr 27 2013 16:08 utc | 274

– “yah . . . But” banned for sockpuppetry
– Thread closed

Posted by: b | Apr 27 2013 17:44 utc | 275

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