“I do think it is entirely possible that eventually, their little entrapment game might have gotten ahead of them, and Boston paid the price.”
A far simpler answer is that the bombing itself WAS “their little entrapment game”

Posted by: yah . . . But | Apr 20 2013 7:59 utc | 3

I’m quite surprised that no one has yet mentioned, if only to point out the slight “irony” (or perhaps “significance” might be a more suitable term) of it’s appearance in this place and time, the word “Craft” and other possible meanings of that word.
As in “Craft International” or “The Craft” 🙂

Posted by: yah . . . But | Apr 20 2013 8:29 utc | 5

It does not seem to fit in with any US policies
The Washington Post does its best to play any potential meaning down
It might not be as spectacular but could be just as meaningful as 9/11. 9/11 was the beginning of urban warfare in Iraq. The Boston Marathon is the first instance of urban warfare in the US.

Posted by: somebody | Apr 20 2013 8:42 utc | 7

#8
Yes it’s disingenuous, and in another way as well. The did interview him years ago, the first time they interviewed him. But when was the last? That’s the billion dollar question.

Posted by: L Bean | Apr 20 2013 9:50 utc | 9

9) actually their mother says for five years, the FBI admits to the request of the “foreign government” – because they have to, I guess.
Five years would make sense as the end of Tamerlan’s boxing career.

Posted by: somebody | Apr 20 2013 10:20 utc | 11

“Dzhokhar Tsarnaev”
Just wondering how one might pronounce that first part there.
phonetically, like, I mean.
Any experts in Chechen linguistics lurking out there?

Posted by: yah . . . But | Apr 20 2013 10:45 utc | 13

Some facts missed in yesterday’s reporting:
– While the two were seen at the marathon so were thousands of others. There has yet to be any witness saying that they laid down some bombs. How are we supposed to know that then?
– There was a claim that a 7/11 was robbed by the brothers. The 7/11 was not robbed at all. Why came this story up and why wasn’t it immediately debunkt?
– The dead MIT policeman. We don not know who shoot him or why. There is nothing there yet that proves that the brothers did it.
– The robbed car. Why did they let the driver go? Why at a gas station? To make sure he was to immediately phone up the police? Why tell the driver, as they allegedly did, that they were the marathon bombers? What was the motive to reveal that?
– The car was followed by “GPS”. But GPS receivers are a passive system. Was the (expensive) car supplied with a tracker of some kind?
– The alleged throwing of explosives during the gun fight. I can not see or hear any explosions in the two videos (see last thread) of that gun fight.
The police screwed up:
– Lots of police. A car with two men. One man and the car get away after a large gunfight. No blocked off roads? That is pretty screwed up then.
– With all those shots fired why wasn’t the man hit enough?
– The lockdown and cordoning of Watertown was handled wrongly and unsuccessful. The guy was hiding outside the cordoned off area. How could he get out? Or why did the cordon miss the street he was actually in?
– The search in Watertown described here seems incompetent.
– The man left a blood trail. How come that wasn’t followed by dogs etc?
– The man was found by a citizen only after the lockdown was lifted. Before that the citizen stayed in his house. If he could have searched earlier he might have found the man earlier.
– Why shut down all of Boston at a price of probably $1 billion. Letting one fleeing man shut down a whole city is pretty idiotic. Copycats will love to achieve that again.
– Why deny the man his Miranda rights? Isn’t this about “freedom” and “justice”?

Posted by: b | Apr 20 2013 11:47 utc | 15

1) b. there is a witness

The note brought the FBI to Bauman’s bedside in intensive care. He said that a man in sunglasses and a black baseball hat had come up to him as he was waiting to see his girlfriend finish the Boston Marathon. The man had gazed straight at him and placed a black backpack at his feet and walked off. The bag had exploded minutes later.

I guess they did it, just like Mohamed Merah did it. What made them do it, who might have lit the fuse, is another issue. If they had been innocently set up the first sensible move would have been to go to a lawyer and put down a statement. They spent two days knowing what was coming doing nothing.
The story is full of wholes. My guess is they were used. Maybe someone promised them protection.

Posted by: somebody | Apr 20 2013 12:06 utc | 17

When they found that guy in the boat he was “uncommunicative”. I understand that to mean that he was nearly dead and couldn’t react. There was no fight when he was arrested.

Posted by: b | Apr 20 2013 12:32 utc | 19

hmmm the media does not seem to be able to agree on fact or fiction – in this account Tsernaev leaves the boat on his own

In a photo of authorities apprehending Dzhokhar released Friday, a SWAT team medic can be seen administering an “ambu” resuscitation bag to assist him in his breathing. Another photo shows Dzhokhar climbing out of the boat under his own power, following the commands of the HRT (Hostage Rescue Team), and Miller said it is clear from the images that, “this is a guy who was very weak at this point and probably — had he not been discovered — he might not have lived.”

so whatever :-))

Posted by: somebody | Apr 20 2013 14:17 utc | 21

@ somebody
At this point, its probably better if he is too badly injured to answer cos you now they are going to use that ‘public safety’ clause to the absolute limits.

Posted by: heath | Apr 20 2013 14:23 utc | 23

http://i.imgur.com/0U0ozqt.jpg
Tamerlan Tsarnaev body. EXTREMELY GRAPHIC!

Posted by: neretva’43 | Apr 20 2013 14:46 utc | 25

What a lunacy. Wonder who is scriptwriter?
http://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/massive-police-operation-under-way-in-boston/2013/04/19/979ec6dc-a8c6-11e2-a8e2-5b98cb59187f_print.html

On Thursday evening, authorities released photos of two men spotted carrying backpacks near the Marathon’s finish line. These were apparently the Tsarnaevs, though authorities did not say that at the time–and, perhaps, did not know it at all.
Their targets, it turned out, had not fled the city or the country. A few hours later, they began a violent spree just across the Charles River in Cambridge.
At about 10:30 p.m., authorities said, the two shot and killed MIT Police officer Sean Collier, 26, as Collier sat in his cruiser. It was unclear what triggered that shooting: authorities said surveillance video appears to show the two approaching Collier and killing him without warning.
After that, the men allegedly carjacked a Mercedes sport utility vehicle, and took the driver with them. At least one brother told the carjacked driver that they were the marathon bombers. They forced the driver to stop at several bank machines, and took $800 that he withdrew. After a few minutes, the man was left behind at a gas station, unharmed. It was unclear if he escaped, or was let go.
From there, the brothers drove about three miles, throwing explosives out the window at police. In Watertown, they engaged in a shootout with police, in which at least 200 rounds were fired.
Authorities said that Tamarlan Tsarnaev left the car at one point, and attempted to throw an explosive at officers. The device, however, went off in his hand. Police then tackled the wounded suspect in the street. Then, authorities said, Dzhokhar Tsarnaev–still behind the wheel of a car, swerved at the officers in an effort to hit them.
The officers dodged. Tamerlan did not. He was dragged under the car, and later died at a Boston hospital. In the same confrontation, a Boston Transit police officer was also shot and wounded. {{Officials later identified the officer as Richard H. Donahue, 33, who was treated at Mt. Auburn Hospital and released.
Dzhokhar Tsarnaev escaped. Police later conceded that there were not enough officers to establish a perimeter. The teenager is believed to have fled on foot: police found a small blood trail, indicating he was injured.
Then he vanished.

Posted by: neretva’43 | Apr 20 2013 15:24 utc | 27

GlobalResearch, Apr 17, 2013

The Boston Bombings in Context: How the FBI Fosters, Funds and Equips American Terrorists
As data continues to pour in regarding the bombing and who may be behind it, it is instructive to take a moment to step back and consider this knee-jerk tendency to conclude that this is the work of Islamic radicals. In the minds of millions of Americans, bombs targeting innocents on US soil are inextricably linked with the image of the bearded, turban-wearing boogeyman that has become the shorthand for evil in this age of terror.
This association is not only incorrect, it is dangerously incorrect because it signally fails to identify the one unifying thread between all of the recent terror plots in the US. Lurking behind the shadowy armies of would-be jihadis in the popular imagination is the sober reality that every single major terror bust in the United States since 9/11 has sourced back to the same group, a single entity that has in every single case funded, equipped and even incited the would-be terrorists into action: the FBI. . .

Posted by: Don Bacon | Apr 20 2013 16:01 utc | 29

How was the FBI able to identify Tamerlan Tsarnaev, a man in sunglasses and a black baseball hat, from a photograph?
Daily Beast, Apr 19

*The note brought the FBI to Bauman’s bedside in intensive care. He said that a man in sunglasses and a black baseball hat had come up to him as he was waiting to see his girlfriend finish the Boston Marathon. The man had gazed straight at him and placed a black backpack at his feet and walked off. The bag had exploded minutes later.
*With the description, the FBI searched surveillance video and the digital images sent in by the public until they found a “person of interest” in a black hat and black jacket, a black backpack on both shoulders.
*They would subsequently identify him as 26-year-old Tamerlan Tsarnaev, an ethnic Chechen
* A YouTube account in the name “Tamerlan Tsarnaev” posted a playlist he named “Terrorists” and “liked” Islamic militant videos. He complained that “there are no values any more.”

Possibly they already knew him.

Posted by: Don Bacon | Apr 20 2013 16:46 utc | 31

There was an article that appeared back in February of this year in the Folha De S. Paulo. The article stressed that reporters from the paper held interviews with
gunmen from Chechenya and Kosovo along the Turkish borders. These men were going to be hired to fight with Al-Qaeda linked Al-jabhat al-Nusra. I mention this article to support the documented fact that camps in Kosovo and other Euroasians states have been penetrated by various factions of Western and Middle Eastern interests since the 1980s with the Mujahideen in Afghanistan. Turkey is a part of this interest. These so-called terrorists cells are nothing more than an upgrade of the program that was instituted during the Cold War called Gladio. What we saw in Boston this week, in my opinion (for what it’s worth), is activity of an upgrade of Operation Gladio called Gladio B. I used the label, “Gladio B”, an term introduced by Sibel Edmond. From the Mujahideen in Afghanistan, 911, mass shootings, and yes, the bombing of the Boston Marathon, these horrific events were the handiwork of Gladio B. If we are to understand these events and make some since of these diabolic actions, then we need to examine our own intelligence and military institutions and perhaps some of our allies in Turkey and the Middle East too.

Posted by: Andre E. Williams | Apr 20 2013 16:54 utc | 33

33) I second that.

Posted by: somebody | Apr 20 2013 17:01 utc | 35

@31
http://youtu.be/qNsnCVuE2C4

Posted by: neretva’43 | Apr 20 2013 17:27 utc | 37

There is a pretty convincing summary for this being a FBI sting operation here

“They were controlling him, they were controlling his every step,” indeed. Posing as “extremist leaders” and leading witless patsies along, just as the FBI has done in every case regarding its previous “foiled plots,” and even successful plots, like the 1993 WTC attack, should shift America’s attention not to Chechnya or the “threat” of domestic terrorism, but the immense incompetence and/or criminality of the FBI.
As even mainstream sources concede the FBI had some sort of relationship with the Boston bombing suspects before the attack, there will be two arguments made. One, that the FBI simply doesn’t have enough authority or resources to prevent “domestic terror” attacks, and needs more still.
The other argument is that the FBI and other federal agencies have been behind every domestic terror attack or “foiled plot” for years, and constitutes the single greatest danger to the American people, both literally in terms of life and limb, and in terms of subverting and stripping away their liberty and dignity amidst a growing police state.
In turn, this would require local law enforcement to cease all cooperation with the FBI, particularly with its Joint Terror Task Force (JTTF), raid local offices and make arrests where appropriate, and fold any agents who are willing and capable, into local and state agencies. In essence, the FBI should be dismantled from top to bottom, and an alternative put in its place.
What is clear is that the Boston bombing suspects were contacted by the FBI at least as early as 2011. Between then and the attack, there is a gap where the FBI may or may not have been involved. While the FBI may have in fact been cultivating these suspects prior to the Boston bombing, they are now the very ones “investigating” the case, opening the door to the destruction of evidence, and ultimately a coverup.
What’s more, there’s most likely several more of these operations being engineered right now by the FBI. If America is serious about stopping “the next Boston bombing,” the key is not issuing the FBI and its federal affiliates more authority and funding, but issuing local law enforcement warrants to raid FBI offices.
While the people of Boston allegedly take to the streets to “celebrate” the capture of the remaining Boston bombing suspect, celebrations should turn to outrage as details emerge that yet another terror attack in America, which has claimed innocent lives, was the work not of cave dwelling militants abroad, but by the very people we foolishly entrust with our safety and security at home.

Posted by: somebody | Apr 20 2013 17:54 utc | 39

The “foreign government” is confirmed to be Russia. Why wasn’t Russia named to begin with?
Apr 20, 2013
Russia asked FBI to investigate Tamerlan Tsarnaev in 2011 – report
Russia asked the FBI to investigate Boston bombing suspect Tamerlan Tsarnaev in 2011, a source in US law enforcement told Reuters. The FBI had earlier reported on its website that an unnamed ‘foreign government’ had asked them for information.
http://rt.com/news/fbi-tsarnaev-foreign-request-150/

Posted by: Don Bacon | Apr 20 2013 18:29 utc | 41

CBSNews, Apr 20
Boston bombing suspect: Enemy combatant or criminal?

At issue: should 19 year-old Dzhokhar Tsarnaev be treated as an enemy combatant and questioned by interrogators without any right to due process? Or should the government read Tsarnaev his Miranda rights, notifying him of his right to remain silent as a criminal defendant, among other prerogatives? . .
“Every day we face threats from radical Islamists and they are coming through our back yard and trying to radicalize American citizens,” [Senator] Graham added. “The reason we wanted to capture him alive is find out about the attack and find out who he trained with and what connections” he had to terrorists.

Enemy combatant is a term historically referring to members of the armed forces of the state with which another state is at war, but with the Global War on Terror that means all terrorists, by whatever definition, qualify for royal treatment such as being whisked off to a military prison and tortured.
Jacob Hornberger: The war on terror’s iron fist unleashed itself on an American citizen named José Padilla, whom U.S. officials arrested on American soil and accused of being a terrorist. Federal officials did not indict Padilla, prosecute him, or convict him, at least not at first. Instead, U.S. military officials took control over him and denied him any right to speak to an attorney, family, or friends. The U.S. attorney general announced to the American people that Padilla was an illegal “enemy combatant” in the “war on terror.” For three years, Padilla was held in military custody.

Posted by: Don Bacon | Apr 20 2013 22:40 utc | 43

Only a matter of time before government monitored security cameras, placed prolifically throughout our public environment, are being forcefully marketed as a necessary means through which to “protect” us. I’m suprised the marketing campaign isn’t in full swing already. Trust me, its coming, soon. The FBI photos of the two “suspects” are being touted as a major factor in their apprehension. In fact, however, it seems thier own alleged actions subsequent to the bombing were the factors behind thier apprehension, rather than being fingered by members of the public who had seen the images.
I don’t buy all this “government conspiracy” business about this particular event. No doubt it will be used to further our fall into the grip of a truly fascist state, but I think that rather than a scripted event, it is an event that will be nefariously capitalized upon by the scum in Washington DC.

Posted by: PissedOffAmerican | Apr 20 2013 23:23 utc | 45

neretva’43 #44
I purposely keep my posts “shallow” so you’ll understand them, to be polite.

Posted by: Don Bacon | Apr 21 2013 0:15 utc | 47

The Yankees finally realised that the only thing their North Korea SNAFU was going to produce was an embarrassing confrontation with China and more humiliating blowback (of the glow-in-the dark variety) than they could make sound like a good idea. So they got the FBI to play the Collective Self-pity Card – and now everyone is happy (being miserable and confused) again.

Posted by: Hoarsewhisperer | Apr 21 2013 0:33 utc | 49

One thing is clear, slinging mud. It cant be home, it must be external of any other origin , better a muslin, a Russian, even if a chicom could be in the pot all the better. I wake up with a problem, and then give thought to who as I have many who’s then I know i am part of the problem. The only solution is fixing self and accepting the fact. I still cant get my head around 2 people, one a kid at heart locking down Boston, just what would a gang do if they so did desire? Lastly the only native AMERICA is the Indian and a genocide act silenced their rights.

Posted by: kev | Apr 21 2013 2:13 utc | 51

The cispa bill is now being driven on the Boston bombings. By the house of rep 288 to 127, pretty fast huh!

Posted by: kev | Apr 21 2013 3:01 utc | 53

http://www.cnn.com/2013/04/20/us/boston-attack/index.html
The surviving suspect in the Boston Marathon bombings suffered an injury to
his throat and may not be able to talk, a federal official told CNN on
Saturday, possibly hindering attempts by authorities to question him about a motive in the attack.

Posted by: Paul | Apr 21 2013 3:17 utc | 55

Guess he will have burst ear drums, eye damage and burned finger or shot while escaping. With this type of case one never gets to see the closure, of truth, root cause etc, most are just happy to hear the closure , period, out of sight out of mind.

Posted by: kev | Apr 21 2013 3:25 utc | 57

@1 “Maybe they lost track of the two of them, and know this was a possibility.”
Lost track of them? You’re kidding, right?
No, I’m not kidding. I’ll say right out that I do not believe that the FBI would purposefully set off a bomb at the Boston Marathon (the CIA on the other hand…?). Thats what I think at this point, take it or leave it. I base it simply on having seen large organizations at work, and any kind of failure is generally “bad for business” from the leaders of that organizations perspective. I just kind of think that any kind of terrorist success just breeds more terrorist success, makes our “protectors” look like incompetent failures. Someone deeper in may be making them look bad, but they wouldn’t do it to themselves, I’m saying. I won’t argue if you call me naive, I’ll just ask you to honestly make a case that I’m wrong.
What we have seen the FBI do though is to put up these scam jobs – radicalize some guys, give them a target, set them up with equipment and training – and then bust them at the last moment. Seems clear that they do it so they can say “look at us, the saviors of America” while at the same time perpetuating the idea that we are under threat.
What I’m suggesting here is that you had these two guys who got this game run on them, but at the last moment (remember, these are brothers, this is one of the ultimate bonds of trust and must have had plenty of opportunity to discuss everything together away from the watchful eye of any “accomplices” – ie, they weren’t reliant on their handler to the degree the other FBI patsies were) they said fuck the handler (perhaps even guessing he was FBI) and set out on their own.
This is pure speculation of course. But it follows that if they broke contact, then the FBI knew they were out there, and they knew the target. Hence the “drills” and bomb dogs. But here is where it gets sticky – If that’d happened, the FBI could have cancelled the marathon. They didn’t. Again, big orgs being what they are, maybe someone made the call that doing that would be unacceptable for political reasons (ie, they’d have to explain A LOT, and publicly), so instead of doing the right thing, they over-confidently hoped they could catch them before they struck with these “drills” and the Craft guys.
I’m just speculating that these two outsmarted their handlers, and instead of the FBI owning up to their failure they tried to do a CYA which got people killed.
I guess it sounds like I’m saying “it was all a big misunderstanding” but I’m not. I’m saying that this is the result of the unbridled powers we’ve let lose in our country. It has lead to a situation where we are allowing people to engage in completely cockamamie practices (like creating terror attacks to “stop” terror). It is leading to a situation of shielding incompetent moves like this.
If I’m right, then we’ve just seen a display of the dangers of giving mere mortals absolute powers. I’m thinking less “1984” and more “Catch-22” on this one. If the king was infallible, you wouldn’t need a jury. If the FBI weren’t a bunch of total creeps, you could trust them NOT to do stuff like this, but, if I’m right, they have fucked up big time. But since we’ve given up our rights to limit their power, they will use their powers not only to fuck up mightily, but to cover it up and get away with it.
As for “Freedom and Justice” you can forget about that. This guy will be used to prove to many a red state soul that Obama isn’t the kind of pussy who uses the criminal justice system for people who “hate America”. I’m assuming their getting a torture chamber with his name on it prepared at Guantanamo.

Posted by: guest | Apr 21 2013 4:17 utc | 59

59, That was my first thought too. Typical FBI fake sting that got flipped. This time the “terrorists” wasn’t a mental defective with a double digit IQ, and his little brother was by all accounts very above average in that department.
So. Maybe the older brother played along with his handler(s) for a while because he was scared(who wouldn’t be? It’s not like you’d have anyone to run to in this situation – the media? LOL). He probably told his little bro all about the FBI surveillance and coercion and … this is where my gut feeling takes over … the younger brother has an epiphany, as many smart people at that age do, that the US government is actually not a benevolent entity. From then on they act in concert as close brothers do, but out of conniving anger. One or both of them may had even been aware of the previous fake FBI stings. It wouldn’t be a stretch at all that Dzokhar may have been even more politically/historically aware than his older brother. I know I was at that age so it’s not impossible.
Tamerlan was unemployed, or at least underemployed, and no matter how he perceives “Americans” he may have only recently realized that success here wasn’t inevitable. Maybe they felt they could milk the FBI for cash for a while.
Of course theis scenario still doesn’t explain away the inconvenient facts of the day. Why didn’t they have an escape plan? They certainly knew it would be this or death, and they weren’t suicide bombers, so… And why didn’t the Craft guys see him place that bag? They were feet away, looking right at the bomb site, presumably. Well they were feet away up until the last minutes at least.
Why the FUCK won’t the FBI release the video they claim to have? They even released a pic of Dzokhar right at the bomb site, but no proof of him placing the bag. Why not, if they have it, as they claim? Why not disambiguate the backpack info – where is Dzokhar’s light-colored backpack?

Posted by: L Bean | Apr 21 2013 5:01 utc | 61

The FBI runs a website telling kids to fight in Syria just to arrest them when they try
61) The whole thing does not make sense, from the psychology of it, everything. It is possible to kill your colleagues out of hatred in a suicide kind of way – if you are an isolated loner, they were not, the young one was popular and the older one married with a kid, going to the gymn and the mosque – which is quite a community.
They obviously had a problem getting money and they were into expensive stuff, the younger one was into drugs. It is probable they had FBI handlers who where trying to control the campus scene through them. It is possible they felt safe from prosecution because of that. And it is possible they panicked when they realized they would be found.
Boston citizens should grill the FBI as obviously it was a huge blunder by all accounts. Publishing those pictures to hunt guys they could find in their files, their agents knew about, meant endangering the public in a big way.

Posted by: somebody | Apr 21 2013 5:37 utc | 63

@guest #59
Yeah, we know the FBI has set up a lot of people, and it could be that this time they slipped the leash and actually did it. Could be.

Posted by: Don Bacon | Apr 21 2013 5:47 utc | 65

The Onion
FBI: ‘You Know You’re Desperate When You’re Asking The American People For Help’

WASHINGTON—Saying that the last thing he ever wanted to do was ask “311 million mouth-breathing morons” for help, the Federal Bureau of Investigation freely admitted Thursday that by enlisting the services of the American people in apprehending the Boston Marathon bombers, the government agency had reached a new level of desperation. “Clearly I never wanted this to get to a point where I would have to stand here, hat in hand, asking the same group of people who make The Voice the No. 1 show on television for their help,” a visibly deflated FBI Special Agent in Charge Rick DesLauriers said during a press conference, after which he sighed, put up the FBI’s toll-free number, and said, “Have at it, idiots.” “But this is where we’re at. I can’t believe I’m actually going to say these words, but America, we need you.” Sources later confirmed that after listening to the first 10 calls made by American citizens into the FBI, investigators had reportedly disconnected the number and were asking citizens of Sweden and Germany if they knew anything about the two bombing suspects.

Posted by: Don Bacon | Apr 21 2013 5:55 utc | 67

@Mr. Pragma #68
Your third category is “unlawful enemy combatants,” persons who take up arms without authority of a
sovereign and who do not comply with the law of armed conflict, the legal definition.

Posted by: Don Bacon | Apr 21 2013 6:14 utc | 69

@64
I’m sorry, in my last post where I called you a vacuous moron and complete asshole, I meant “I won’t argue if you call me naive, I’ll just ask you to honestly make a case that I’m wrong.”
So go ahead.
if you have some proof… no, that’s too much to… if you have a compelling theory… no, okay, that’s a bridge too far… if you have even some half worked out reasoning… hell, I’ll take a brain fart if that is more your style… as to why the FBI would, in its official capacity, blow up the Boston Marathon and look like complete incompetent fucks AND invite “unofficial” copy cat attacks when they could have simply grabbed two morons by the scruff of the neck and loudly proclaimed, once again, that they have saved America, please let us all know. In any case, I’ll keep on working on my theory that the FBI are, actually, incompetent fucks who got Americans killed and maimed.

Posted by: guest | Apr 21 2013 6:58 utc | 71

a very reasonable account of what happened by Boston citizen living in the area describing the incredible inefficiency of the Boston police in the “hunt”, plus the information that presumably the MIT officer was killed by someone else who also robbed a shop.

Posted by: somebody | Apr 21 2013 9:30 utc | 73

Incompetence Theorists™®
predictable as the tides

Posted by: yah . . . But | Apr 21 2013 10:30 utc | 75

ditto

Posted by: yah . . . But | Apr 21 2013 12:14 utc | 77

Tangent: Under-reported are the instances of the system’s leaving breadcrumbs for the ‘conspiracy theory’ crowd to follow. In 2001 FOX’s entertainment network broadcast a The Lone Gunmen episode about an attempt to guide an airliner into the WTC. Now The Family Guy has Peter killing a bunch of people at the Boston Marathon. Then an Elvis impersonator sent out some letters with ricin in them, causing a scare like the 2001 anthrax side story.

Posted by: Bud | Apr 21 2013 12:55 utc | 79

@78 I understand Sockpuppeting is your favorite tool, but nevertheless.
They are/were Muslims, there are from Orient, and “the Oriental dies stoically because he thinks of death as the beginning of life.” Gen. Douglas MacArthur.
This is beside that the Bunch of Virgins that are waiting on them. I am surprised I did not see this story anywhere, yet.

Posted by: neretva’43 | Apr 21 2013 13:27 utc | 81

81) that is either a very strange argument or I miss the irony.

Posted by: somebody | Apr 21 2013 14:35 utc | 83

What, it was chicom Muslims? 81, afraid i lost the plot also. Did he not say “I shall return” to the Philippines He did say “talk of imminent threat to our national security through the application of external force is pure nonsense”. Both ended awry…

Posted by: kev | Apr 21 2013 14:59 utc | 85

Still find this story more believable as ‘individual terrorism’ – that is, more or less as it is presented – than many others served up in recent years.
One can write the script that way, with the older brother becoming ‘radicalized’, i.e. seeking different outlets after what can be felt as failures, dominant over the younger, in his control. The stories from the family point in that direction. Moreover, one should not forget that these new scenarios, myths, amplified endlessly by films and the media, can end up by being acted out, becoming, if one likes, a ‘new reality’ amongst incipiently suicidal attention-seekers. (See school shootings, bank robberies in the past, etc.)
Some ppl, at some point, do stupid and violent things without much reflection. Maybe all that means only that the set-ups have become more sophisticated, who knows. One can also wash away the incredible police reaction with their interest in control and the pushing of a ‘new normal’, combined with collective USA hysteria about anything labelled ‘terrorism’.
===
Why would the bros. move about undisguised in normal gear and w. backpacks to boot, if they set up the bombing secretly between them? They would have known about cameras all over the place, anybody attempting what they did would have gone for disguise. On the pix, they move about confidently, separately and together, much like the accused in the London bombings. (Again, a part of the script. Those silhouettes…) But then, delusions, lack of smarts have been the downfall of many.
How were they identified so quickly? (I haven’t followed..) but the only way really was by publishing pix and asking the public, which would have turned them up. Did that happen? If so, how, what is the precise timeline? One point that the doubting should address, in detail. Now, before info is deleted.
Supposedly?, after their pix were published they went into wild panic mode – had no plan for what to do after the attacks, of if they had, these did not include the poss. they would be identified bang off.
Merah is the closest ex. I can think of.
Our reality is a weird simulacrum, actors play their parts, unwittingly or with some grasp. It is the blue screen, the strident voice, the totally corrupt news, which push all to act a role, step into some shoes, play the victim, the triumphant, the weird loser caught out.

Posted by: Noirette | Apr 21 2013 15:32 utc | 87

@yah…
Congrats on flinging more shit into the conversation, you jack off. You added nothing.
@’43
“They simply were drawn out of stack of available photos of ‘suspects’ and there were the most vulnerable.”
So the FBI went through all the images, found two guys and pinned it on them? So then the real bombers are still out there, good enough. There should be evidence of that in all the photos that surfaced.
But this seems like an over complicated theory. We know the FBI has convinced people to do terrorist attacks, only to “foil” them at the last moment. So why would they carry it out themselves (you say it wasn’t these two, so it had to be some others) – with all the risk that entails – and then pin it on a couple of guys, when they could just as easily cut out the middle men and convinced a couple of “real terrorists” carry it out?
Better effect with less risk, no?

Posted by: guest | Apr 21 2013 16:31 utc | 89

Listen Yah butt et al, speculating and theorizing is not illegal in this country…yet. Personally I’m not convinced either one of them had bombs in their backpacks. We’ve seen the fake set-up story enough to know that the FBI is and will remain to be predictable in their MO, ie thoroughly mendacious to the point of absurdity in any ‘sting’ they conceive. Only a FOOL would follow through until the end, as has also been proven.
With each one of these fake stings, I’ve felt intense anger and helplessness. Me, some jerk on the internet with nothing to ‘hide’.
It’s completely plausible that one or both of these brothers would become so incensed by the realization that they were about to be framed for something and sent to jail for the rest of their lives that they would try to maximize the situation, in any way possible.
Still JUST A THEORY, FUKSACK.

Posted by: L Bean | Apr 21 2013 18:33 utc | 91

I’m just a lurker here but have a question. How is that this guy climbed out of the boat on his own but then was unconscious? Are they interrogating him now? because he’s not in as serious a condition as the FBI told us. @ the 3:02 mark.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=9Xl8CZeJT14

Posted by: TikTok | Apr 21 2013 20:51 utc | 93

Some terrorists get financial support; they don’t need pressure cookers.
news report, Apr 20, 2013 — US prepares $130m military aid package for Syrian rebels

Posted by: Don Bacon | Apr 21 2013 20:57 utc | 95

Bacon, he is not ‘sitting’ on the boat, this is an action still of his one leg swung over the edge as he’s getting out of the boat on his own with his full weight on his legs, in an upright fashion.

Posted by: L Bean | Apr 21 2013 21:14 utc | 97

@ L Bean
Prove it.

Posted by: Don Bacon | Apr 21 2013 21:56 utc | 99