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November 24, 2012
Open Thread 2012-30
Found nothing I'd like to write about so this one is for your news & views.
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While the US promotes militarization in Asia, as a component of its “pivot” to Asia-Pacific, its rival China goes with its more successful economic model. Chinese trade + US military. The average Australian can probably live with that. As long as it doesn’t mean too much Asian immigration. Posted by: dh | Nov 24 2012 19:49 utc | 2 With the Asian landmass deep in the northern hemisphere and Australia deep in the southern one, US military forces in Australia are only of interest to the geographically challenged like the Americans recently in Perth, which is almost five thousand miles from Hong Kong. Mayan descendants don’t seem to appreciate the government of Guatemala exploiting the Mayan 2012 charade for profit (sarcasm). Posted by: lizard | Nov 24 2012 20:06 utc | 4
Posted by: somebody | Nov 24 2012 20:26 utc | 5 New: Houla Massacre: Burning the Hospital Tom Ricks will be at this FDL Book Salon…! Israel’s Gilad Sharon spills the beans Posted by: Daniel Rich | Nov 24 2012 23:07 utc | 8 PERTH: At the recent annual Australia-U.S. Ministerial meeting in Perth, Secretary of State Hillary Clinton, Defense Secretary Leon Panetta, and their Australian counterparts launched discussions on granting the United States further access to air bases in Northern Australia and to several naval ports, including one on the Indian Ocean just south of Perth. They also announced that the Pentagon would establish a powerful radar and space telescope in Australia to monitor Asian airspace. Posted by: brian | Nov 24 2012 23:20 utc | 9 Chinese trade + US military. The average Australian can probably live with that. As long as it doesn’t mean too much Asian immigration. Posted by: brian | Nov 24 2012 23:21 utc | 10 @10. Glad to hear it brian. What do you think Stephen Smith means by ‘greater access to facilities”? Posted by: dh | Nov 24 2012 23:46 utc | 11 Australians need to recognise that amerika has one interest and only one interest in Oz. That is to maintain their current hegemony over the resources contained within the Australian continent. China has to deal with amerikan corporations to buy australian resources. Anything else is just window dressing. Ask the Fijians what they think of amerikan intervention in the pacific. Frank Bainimarama staged fiji’s 4th and mmost corruptly inspired Fijian coup. The rest of the pacific nations hung tough on Bainimarama refusing him or his govt access to neigbours facilities because he is busy flogging off traditional lands to all comers. Some of whom were Chinese and Indian investors. Posted by: Debs is dead | Nov 25 2012 0:07 utc | 12 Russia Sends Warships To Gaza Coast Posted by: Marc | Nov 25 2012 2:13 utc | 13 Marc — Do you think the Zero-Hedge story is right? If it is, how meaningful is it? Posted by: Cynthia | Nov 25 2012 2:22 utc | 14 @9 Posted by: sleepy | Nov 25 2012 3:09 utc | 15 http://www.businessinsider.com/russia-sends-warships-off-coast-of-gaza-2012-11 Posted by: Marc | Nov 25 2012 3:35 utc | 16 Like father, like son Great articles Posted by: Marc | Nov 25 2012 5:55 utc | 18 @Marc #18 Posted by: Sonic Boom | Nov 25 2012 7:40 utc | 19 Israeli War Crimes against Palestine: Witness Testimonies Posted by: Daniel Rich | Nov 25 2012 11:24 utc | 20 CNN (US)had a winners and losers section, winners included Morsi, Hamas,Bibi and Isreal (duh), and the US. Losers included Iran (because a lot of its supplied rockets were shot down) and Fatah. Posted by: heath | Nov 25 2012 13:19 utc | 21 Sleepy @ 15 says: “The policies are a given, nothing at all for the electorate to worry its little heads over, despite the fact that in poll after poll, the US public supports deep cuts in military spending and no imperial expansion.” Posted by: ben | Nov 25 2012 14:41 utc | 22 – On Syria and MANPADS again, a few pieces of news. StrategyPage.com looks at the latest evidence of SA-24’s in Syria and discusses what it means:
One Youtube video uploaded last week shows a rebel displaying around 7 SA-24 launchers and missiles to go with them.
Alot of people say that Israel didn’t succeed in anything during the week long Gaza bombing. However we don’t know what Israels goals were. It could have been to seperate Hamas from Iran. In this case there is a path to Israeli success.
This could have been the Israeli plan. Drop 1,300 bombs on Gaza then allow Egypt, Saudi, Qatar, and Turkey to rebuild it, but the aid comes with the condition that Hamas cuts links to Iran and goes into the MB Axis. Posted by: Colm O’ Toole | Nov 25 2012 15:29 utc | 23 @ Colm O’ Toole 23
and KenM came back with:
which linked to:
But certainly the anti-Syria forces have trucks. colm 23 don’t know about Israel as they seem to be in a reactionary rip current born out of fustration since they can’t destroy or even beat up on the Palestinans without losing US support if it means interfering in US plans for reestablishing some hegemony over the region, can’t go for a one state solution since that would destroy the Jewish state and can’t accept the two state solution which means removing settlers from the West Bank. Posted by: heath | Nov 25 2012 16:42 utc | 25 Reuters Yahoo news is now featuring as top headline that rebels captured an airbase near Damascus. According to the story, the rebels only briefly captured the base then withdrew for fear of airstrikes. The story relies entirely on rebel claims but they seem to have video of destroyed and undamaged helicopters. Posted by: Lysander | Nov 25 2012 16:47 utc | 27 There is a lot of psychological warfare going on just now, I guess.
then I assume the Syrian regime is pretty secure. Posted by: somebody | Nov 25 2012 17:15 utc | 28 @ Don Bacon Posted by: Colm O’ Toole | Nov 25 2012 17:51 utc | 29 I think it’s possibly red pill versus blue pill time here in the Matrix. With one dose you are soothed by pleasing untruths; yet with the other you see things as they really are. Obama rooting out dual-national Israeli moles in the US government woodwork? Really? That’s maybe a story to feed the Iranians to lull them to sleep. The Iranians are probably not asleep; but they are nodding and smiling and catapulting the fairytale as if they believe it could be real. How stands Morsi and the MB on overthrowing Assad? How stands Turkey on overthrowing Assad? How stands US/Israel/NATO on overthrowing Assad? How stands Saudi Arabia and Qatar on overthrowing Assad? This is all you need to know. Keep your eye on the ball. Accept no substitutes. Half measures will avail you nothing! From: Arundahati’s speech “Peace is War” [tyranny of crisis reportage], March 7, 2003. Posted by: Kim Sky | Nov 25 2012 19:48 utc | 31 @27 Posted by: KerKaraje | Nov 25 2012 20:34 utc | 32 @kerkaraje, that is all very disconcerting but the posutive is if the rebel victories were all true, I don’t think the government could survive till now. Cities like Aleppo and Damascus could not survive even for a week without supply from the countryside. Which leads me to conclude that the government must still control much of the countryside. Posted by: Lysander | Nov 25 2012 21:03 utc | 33 @Lysander / 33 Posted by: KerKaraje | Nov 25 2012 21:33 utc | 34 KerKaraje, I haven’t got the time to follow it all but in your list I think e.g. Posted by: somebody | Nov 25 2012 21:38 utc | 35 there is a wikipedia entry on the battle for Battle of Maarrat al-Nu’man Posted by: somebody | Nov 25 2012 22:06 utc | 36 @32 Posted by: Pat Bateman | Nov 25 2012 22:20 utc | 37 @ somebody / 35&36 Posted by: KerKaraje | Nov 25 2012 22:27 utc | 38 Suffice it to say that we do not know exactly what is happening in Syria, but the long and short of it is, the ‘rebels’ wont stop and the answer to making them stop does not lie inside Syria. Posted by: Lysander | Nov 25 2012 22:55 utc | 39 38 it is clear that is the narrative part of the media is pushing for
Well it definitively is no “revolution”. The Washington Post is quite open about it:
What I see is that Qatari media, think tanks, Washington Post has been pushing for US engagement in Syria recently. I am not sure the Obama administration wants to go there. Posted by: somebody | Nov 25 2012 23:09 utc | 40 China lands fighter jet on new carrier in show of force Posted by: Daniel Rich | Nov 25 2012 23:14 utc | 41 On another subject: Black 9/11: Money, Motive, Technology, and Plausible Deniability Remember that wars must have political coherence. Last month (October) the U.S. had receipts of $184,316mn and expenditures of $304,311mn, which resulted in a deficit of $119,995mn (119 billion) or about four billion dollars per day. That wasn’t as bad as February (short month) when the the US lost (and had to borrow) $8.2bn per day. The deficit for the last fiscal year Oct-Sep was about $1.1tn or $2.984 bpd. The U.S. National Debt has risen by $6.5 trillion, or 70%, since 2008. @ CoT, Posted by: Daniel Rich | Nov 26 2012 1:31 utc | 45 Several years ago on a visit to China, I found myself in a hotel elevator with several imposing gentlemen in the uniforms of the Democratic Republic of the Congo. There was an agreement between the Democratic Republic of Congo (DRC) and China in 2008 to swap 10 million tonnes of copper ore for US$9 billion worth of mine and civic infrastructure. It didn’t work out too well. Meantime, the US got involved because DR Congo has lots of copper and cobalt. @44, do I buy it? In a sense. For a thought experiment, suppose Amreeka goes shopping for iron ore.”Jobs, votes, freedom!” He tells the vendor, Put it on my tab! What’s the guy going to say, Your credit is no good? Not if he doesn’t want a Hellfire down his chimney. Posted by: ruralito | Nov 26 2012 1:48 utc | 47 I liked the comment by Don Bacon at #43 when he said wars must have political coherence and the anti-Syria politics are incoherent. But after thinking about this some more, I think the anti-government politics in Syria is now coherently Islamic. Or at least it has the foundations in place to be so. The rebels are fighting for a new Islamic-type government, and not only do they have God on their side, they have the governments and people of Egypt, Saudi Arabia, etc on their side, politically, coherently. @ruralito Anti-Syrian politics are incoherent. The jihadists don’t like the freshened-up new-model SNC, formed in Doha, promoted by the US and recognized by France and Italy.
The Kurds are fighting with the FSA, the FSA units don’t accept control from FSA HQ in Turkey — the list goes on. So military victories and numbers of terrorists don’t matter, without the politics. This truism has been proven over and over (in failure) by the US military. Re: #44 Modern Monetary Theory — do you buy it? It’s a terribly complex subject, and I don’t fully comprehend it, but essentially I do buy it, as far as I’ve been able to comprehend it. in a typical *work* day, if they aint bombing the hell outta some Posted by: denk | Nov 26 2012 2:40 utc | 52 Don 44, the question is whether there is any confidence in the currency. The dollar is a unique reserve currency in that, since 1971, it has not been “backed” by precious metals or other reserves. It might be argued that Washington’s hegemony in oil producing Arabia is what underpins the dollar, and that this explains why the US is so heavily invested in maintaining Israel as its enforcer in a widening region. Posted by: bevin | Nov 26 2012 3:04 utc | 54 In Syria, the Al Nusrah Front for the People of the Levant, an al Qaeda-linked jihadist group, seems to be the most effective fighting (and suicide) unit. Al Nusrah commanded a Free Syrian Army unit and Chechen fighters during recent assaults on Syrian military bases, and it has claimed responsibility for a couple dozen suicide bombings including the one on Syrian Army HQ. @51, have you been reading Mosler’s 7 Deadly Innocent Frauds?
Posted by: ruralito | Nov 26 2012 3:29 utc | 56 Confidence in US currency depends, finally, in confidence in the US people and their economy. That means looking at the future. (Warning: I’m no economist.) Don @ 57, Posted by: Lysander | Nov 26 2012 4:01 utc | 58 Blisters and Sanctions Posted by: Paul | Nov 26 2012 4:10 utc | 59 @Lysander 58
For the record, I don’t include b in that organized effort, for obvious reasons. @Paul 59 Osama Bin Laden was a member of the Saudi Muslim Brotherhood Posted by: nikon | Nov 26 2012 5:12 utc | 62 strange Palestinians aiding USrael to destroy syria the country that has aided the palestinians more than any other..stupidity? ingratitude? or just just religion? Posted by: brian | Nov 26 2012 7:00 utc | 63 The FSA way: blow up mosques…blame Assad Posted by: brian | Nov 26 2012 7:37 utc | 64 The Sun: Four British extremists are being trained to fight in Syria Posted by: brian | Nov 26 2012 8:21 utc | 65 THE TRUTH ABOUT THE AIRPORT IN MARJ SULTAN .. Posted by: brian | Nov 26 2012 9:08 utc | 66 48 Parvizini, I guess Clausewitz talks about the warring parties not outside financers and supporters. For outside parties it is a horse race they put bets on. Posted by: somebody | Nov 26 2012 9:29 utc | 67 chinese out, fukus in Posted by: denk | Nov 26 2012 10:20 utc | 68 Regarding MMT, it’s really worth the time to get your head around it. If you have 2 hours, this lecture by Warren Mosler and Stephanie Kelton is as good an introduction to it as i’ve heard. Posted by: Carpworld | Nov 26 2012 10:50 utc | 69 Western governments murdering Iranian children: Posted by: Sasan Taymourian | Nov 26 2012 11:08 utc | 70 Video fun
Posted by: somebody | Nov 26 2012 11:29 utc | 71 more video fun – Jihadi fighters return to Turkey from Ras Al Ayn – Turkish soldiers looking on Posted by: somebody | Nov 26 2012 12:48 utc | 72 more on those “rebel victories”
Posted by: somebody | Nov 26 2012 12:53 utc | 73 NY Mayoral Race With a Rarity: No Top Hopeful Who Is Jewish Great. Posted by: Daniel Rich | Nov 26 2012 13:27 utc | 74 that’s a very tribal article by the New York Times :-)) Posted by: somebody | Nov 26 2012 13:39 utc | 75 Copeland @ 42, just watched (most of) your video. Do you think there will ever be a critical mass of people who figure it out? Either world wide or in the US. Posted by: Lysander | Nov 26 2012 14:18 utc | 76 Lysander, some very smart people can bring themselves only so far, so as to admit the possibility that the flunkies who took the blame were allowed to proceed, or that the way was made smooth for them to get flight training, and ultimately board the planes that day. @bevin 54; Posted by: Pirouz_2 | Nov 26 2012 16:23 utc | 78 Today the Syrian Information Minister, Al-Zoubi, admitted that the confrontation between the government and the armed rebels is “currently in its most complex stages, its highest and most difficult and violent points, and its widest in terms of geography, and in the quality of the weapons used, by all security and military criteria.” http://sana.sy/eng/21/2012/11/26/454364.htm (the same statement is in Arabic at http://sana.sy/ara/2/2012/11/26/454358.htm ). @ somebody #72: I cannot interpret that video as you’ve interpreted it. The video shows rebels at large on the Syrian side of the border. That’s all I see. @Somebody: Posted by: Pirouz_2 | Nov 26 2012 17:22 utc | 82 I am about to start listening to the talk about Modern Money linked to by Carpworld #69, http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=ba8XdDqZ-Jg#t=215s . Before the speaker launches into his talk he says “the last thing I want to say [before I begin] is it’s not difficult”. That hasn’t been my experience with other presenters on the subject. I fear that his talk is going to be froth or he doesn’t see there are real difficulties in the subject. Parviziyi, 81 that is possible. These videos are not much use to prove anything. Posted by: somebody | Nov 26 2012 17:30 utc | 84 A WINEP neocon working for the Washington Post (naturally) says the “the war is turning against the regime.”
Even Hillary doesn’t say that anymore. She hasn’t said that “Assad’s days are numbered” since July, by my count. As covered above, controlling the narrative is important in any war, and the anti-Syria chaos must be countered by the faithful. Pirouz_2, you would have to facture WWII, industrialised countries’ baby boom and the beginning of the use of contraception into those graphs …. Posted by: somebody | Nov 26 2012 17:34 utc | 86 A side fighting a war must have political coherence. The Syrian government and its supporters have got political coherence. The two key principles that give them coherence are democracy (“the ballot box”) and upholding the rule of laws and civil processes. Jill Dougherty, working for CNN to promote Hillary Clinton, has a story out that it was Clinton not Morsi who brokered the Gaza cease-fire — “Behind the scenes of Clinton’s “shuttle diplomacy”
And a reminder — this supposedly hard-working effort by Clinton came after the Obama administration’s (typical) decision the previous week to block a ceasefire effort by the UN Security Council. Parviziyi, maybe it is just that Syrian Information Minister, Al-Zoubi, is the new school of PR and the Minister of Defence is very old school? Posted by: somebody | Nov 26 2012 18:09 utc | 90 I am intrigued that no-one has followed up on the articles mentioned by Mark @18. They are all lurid enough to be at least worthy of further comment, even though the writers of some of them may not be as solid as we might like. Posted by: sean | Nov 26 2012 18:33 utc | 91 @sean 91 Sean, what I see is Iran signalling that they know something. As Iran has extensive experience in negotiating with different US factions, they actually might know something. Posted by: somebody | Nov 26 2012 18:54 utc | 93 @sean 91 Posted by: ATH | Nov 26 2012 19:26 utc | 94 @ 71 Posted by: KerKaraje | Nov 26 2012 19:33 utc | 95 KerKaraje | Nov 26, 2012 2:33:06 PM | 95 Posted by: somebody | Nov 26 2012 19:52 utc | 96 This Syria “news” picked up by the MSM empire stenographers like AP and Washington Post originates with a shady outfit called Ugarit News, which was probably one of the ‘social media’ sites established by Hillary Clinton & friends.
‘Ugarit News- Syria, Homs: The regime army shelling civilian … ‘ Posted by: brian | Nov 26 2012 20:33 utc | 99 Ugarit News (which copied SkyNews logo) has originated a lot of this propaganda. I have not been able to pin down who or where they are. But there’s this: |
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