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November 07, 2012

Elections

I am told a rather rightwing warmongerer just won the U.S. elections. Sad.

Posted by b on November 7, 2012 at 12:43 AM | Permalink

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Pritti much. But then what else is knew?

Posted by: L Bean | Nov 7, 2012 1:04:02 AM | 1

Don't be silly. Obama will have private convictions but not as a professional. He is "doing what works".

Posted by: somebody | Nov 7, 2012 1:22:40 AM | 2

Mussolini, Franco, or Hitler.

Posted by: вот так | Nov 7, 2012 1:31:25 AM | 3

Sorry, I forgot Netanyahoo in that suspect line up.

You don't want mug shots, do you?

Posted by: вот так | Nov 7, 2012 1:34:34 AM | 4

And war mongering does not work in the US just now. Otherwise that foreign policy debate between Romney and Obama would have been different.

Yes, I know, political programs are not implemented as told but this is what people were voting for

Responsibly ended the war in Iraq , is bringing our troops home from Afghanistan, and will use half the savings to reduce the deficit and the rest to engage in nation-building here at home"

and of course this

Is lifting the shadow of deportation from young, hardworking immigrants who were brought here as children, and is committed to comprehensive immigration reform

Obama has to go where the power is and this seems where things are gravitating.

Posted by: somebody | Nov 7, 2012 1:35:13 AM | 5

I think you are over reacting a bit. They chose a lesser warmonger, given the two options.

Posted by: amar | Nov 7, 2012 1:36:19 AM | 6

Yes, I know, somebody, war is peace and all that rot....

Posted by: вот так | Nov 7, 2012 1:38:50 AM | 7

``A rather rightwing warmonger"....aren't they both the same actually? The difference is a matter of degree and experience. BO has had four years of sabre-sattling, droning, renditioning - heck, he could write a whole new playbook on warmongering.
Mittie, otoh, is a newbie who could play even more rough - or even press the wrong buttons, in case his minders turn their back. Conclusion: should we get on our knees and thank Lord Buddha it's four more years of same-same (hopefully) & not worse??

Posted by: nakedtothebone | Nov 7, 2012 1:40:49 AM | 8

"They chose a lesser warmonger, given the two options."

Diebold?

Like they would care?

Jesus.

A lesser warmonger, in the fascist Israelo-American times we are living in, is like a pacifist Nazi.

Posted by: вот так | Nov 7, 2012 1:44:45 AM | 9

I live in ultra-liberal Portland, OR, where many people are celebrating their team victory tonight. I am relieved that Romney failed to defeat Obama, but I am not celebrating. The rhetoric on all sides is surreal. I "threw my vote away" to the Green Party and Jill Stein, and my mind is easier for that choice. They still take my tax dollars and wreak destruction, so my ease is transient.

Goddess, have mercy on us all.

Posted by: catlady | Nov 7, 2012 1:49:56 AM | 10

Warmongers start wars. Obama is dealing with one that he inherited. Not an enviable position, wars are often a lot easier to start than to end.

Posted by: ralphieboy | Nov 7, 2012 2:20:58 AM | 11

yeah, Libya, Syria and Pakistan aren't new wars, just mass killings of third-world people and destructions of their state

Posted by: claudio | Nov 7, 2012 2:29:55 AM | 12

I did what catlady did.

The interesting thing for me is that with a limitless supply of money, media endorsement, race baiting, nostalgic white supremacy, and fear-mongering the right wing plutocrats could muster - they couldn't evict a black man in the white house presiding over an incompetent foreign policy, lousy domestic policy, and for the last 4 years perpetuating the shittiest economy in 60 years.

The republican brand is being back-washed out to sea in the riptide of history.

Posted by: anna missed | Nov 7, 2012 2:32:32 AM | 13

Catlady @10 and anna @13, I too voted for Jill Stein...! My wife, who caucused for Shrillary, while I'd caucused for the Oily Bomber, simply can't believe that I'd voted for her...! ;-)

Posted by: CTuttle | Nov 7, 2012 2:44:19 AM | 14

Seriously, the US is getting out of micromanaging direct foreign policy. Any war mongering on Syria has been outsourced to Britain and Saudi Arabia whilst France worries about Lebanon.

Posted by: somebody | Nov 7, 2012 3:00:16 AM | 15

And I am hoping for Scottish indepence to break up the English empire :-))

Posted by: somebody | Nov 7, 2012 3:19:40 AM | 16

This here basically sums up how Obama's foreign policy will be sold

Analysts said that the overarching challenge for Obama will be to try to shape the international environment to the United States' advantage at a time when the country is deeply in debt, other powers are rising and it faces transnational threats such as terrorism, cyber attacks and global warming.

"My read of Obama is that he, essentially, wants to turn away from the Middle East and focus on Asia," said Indyk, saying Obama was unlikely to make a fresh run at Israeli-Palestinian peace, nor to make great efforts to shape the outcome in Syria or to deeply engage Islamist governments in Egypt and Tunisia.

"I just don't see those things as high on his agenda versus building a relationship with China, promoting India's rise in Asia and seeking the opportunities that lie in that region of the world," he said.

Despite having referred to China as "both an adversary but also a potential partner," in his final debate with Romney, Obama's prime focus is likely to be to try to find ways to cooperate with, rather than confront, China.

"We will increasingly think of ourselves as a Pacific nation rather than an Atlantic nation," said Jon Alterman, who holds the Zbigniew Brzezinski Chair in Global Security and Geostrategy at the Center for Strategic and International Studies.

It does not necessarily have much to do with reality. And it is stupid to try to play India against China whilst trying to isolate Iran. The US will not succeed in squaring the circle.

However it means that the US will try to avoid engagement in the Middle East like cholera. And terrorist acts will continue to try to draw them in.

Posted by: somebody | Nov 7, 2012 3:36:47 AM | 17

Republicans want obama to win because

1) he is doing everything they want while keeping liberals quiet
2) US economy is going to get worse in the next 4 year

that's why they picked Romney, a mormon, to run against obama

This is the best analysis of the present state of US economy

http://www.itulip.com/forums/showthread.php/23950-Reality-Check-Election-Edition-%C2%96-Part-I-1936-Election-Recycled-Eric-Janszen?p=242440#post242440

Posted by: nikon | Nov 7, 2012 3:55:42 AM | 18

It will be stupid for republican to take over what will likely become a US bond market collapse.

Posted by: nikon | Nov 7, 2012 4:03:21 AM | 19

Certainly the viable Republican candidates waited till their chances will be better - no incumbent - and toured the hurricane sites with Obama instead. Even better for them if the economy should go bad (I do not think so as the US debt will continue to favor inflation). Politicians tend to think in career terms and they jump when their chances are best and their age is right.

I agree with anna missed that the insteresting thing from a marketing perspective is that the viable platform for candidates seems to have shifted. Even with a candidate like Romney who was very unlikely to win from the start some financers still seem to have put up a serious fight instead of hedging their bets and favoring the winner.

Posted by: somebody | Nov 7, 2012 4:54:05 AM | 20

Certainly the viable Republican candidates waited till their chances will be better - no incumbent - and toured the hurricane sites

The USA is going to be hit by many devastating natural elements between now and the winter solstice, now the elections are over let's see what attention will be given to the victims, maybe in the Jewish enclaves but the rest I do not think so!

Posted by: hans | Nov 7, 2012 5:04:00 AM | 21

I'm interested to see who'll now replace Piggy Clinton. Not Susan Rice, I hope.

Posted by: Pat Bateman | Nov 7, 2012 5:19:57 AM | 22

One of the reasons Obama was elected is War Fatigue. (Not the most important thing.) Another - even more minor perhaps - was civil liberties, Gitmo, etc. Because, 1) traditionally Dems seen as less hawkish, less aggressive, less nationalistic, than Rs, 2) Bush started two wars (at least), Obama officially, none, and he got the Peace Prize, 3) He has carefully husbanded his image as a Man of Peace, Conciliation, assembling, reaching out, 4) Dems (plus the media) have consistently ignored or down-played his actions in these areas - had Bush acted like O there would have been outcries, 5) Opposition from the center or left (Occupy) got nowhere with this issue, as they refused to build a policy platform.

Romney might actually have turned out to be less aggressive.

Posted by: Noirette | Nov 7, 2012 6:44:15 AM | 23

Well Jill got at least 4 votes. I had to write her in here in VT. Have to admit I'm relieved the O-monger won over the R-monger but I know that 's false relief. It won't even slow the multinationals from continuing the takeover of our Green Mountain state.

Posted by: juannie | Nov 7, 2012 7:47:56 AM | 24

I just saw Prop 37 lost in CA. Now there's the real heartbreaking loss. I've tried to transcend my feelings of hate for people but Monsanto is definitely a "person" I really hate.

Posted by: juannie | Nov 7, 2012 7:52:40 AM | 25

I did the Jill write in thing as well, but in Montana there was no real risk with my 3rd party conscience vote. down ticket I voted for Democrats, though they certainly don't reflect my views on a wide variety of issues. for example, plenty of Democrats in our state legislature went along with eminent domain legislation for the tar sands pipeline, which is abhorrent, but in a shitty economy, no one can afford to be smeared as an environmentalist job killer.

the alternative in Montana are not Republicans, but racist militia-type agenda 21 fearing nullification zealots who lust for apocalypse so they can use their survivalist gear. yeah Democracy!

Posted by: lizard | Nov 7, 2012 9:05:37 AM | 26

where can I find statistics about 2012 USA elections? what was the % of persons voting. thanks

Posted by: hans | Nov 7, 2012 9:38:22 AM | 27

"Warmongers start wars. Obama is dealing with one that he inherited."

OH HORSESHIT!

Posted by: PissedOffAmerican | Nov 7, 2012 9:49:39 AM | 28

As it is with most human endeavor, can actions match the rhetoric? Now the "election" has passed, we'll see. For me, blunting the drive for world dominance by our corporate interests, is job one. I'm not holding my breath while waiting for a working class movement to make that happen. Working within my own limited sphere of influence to make that a reality, is all I can do. Up Symbiosis!

Posted by: ben | Nov 7, 2012 9:51:37 AM | 29

Of topic....but just curious....

Anyone seen any media accounts reporting on how the homeless fared in New York during Sandy??????

Posted by: PissedOffAmerican | Nov 7, 2012 9:52:38 AM | 30

"Romney might actually have turned out to be less aggressive"

Ha!. Yeah right. With all those neocons from the Bush Cartel tripping over themselves to suck Romney dick??? You're dreaming.

Posted by: PissedOffAmerican | Nov 7, 2012 9:55:39 AM | 31

"....who lust for apocalypse so they can use their survivalist gear"

Eenie meenie, miney mo....

AR-15....???

Or should a garden I grow??

Posted by: PissedOffAmerican | Nov 7, 2012 9:58:33 AM | 32

I expected for a long time that the Rs would win this election with a good candidate. While Romney was the best of a truly horrible, clownish, frightening bunch, he is awful. Whether the Rs held back deliberately to re-coup next time round, or whether it just fell out that way (McCain’s breaking of the mold with Palin was a disaster) is moot.

But he who does not fight loses ground in the long run. The campaign - even if one expects to lose - is a formidable weapon for creating a new political landscape. It is an opportunity one must seize. They did not.

Possibly, the Rs will never win a national election again, because they won’t be able to transform their party. As things stand, they have to reconcile and assemble tea-party types, staunch social conservatives, religionists, part of the white upper class (which is quite ‘liberal’), the heartland, racists (covert), neo-cons, paleo-cons (right wing centrists), and libertarians - Ron Paul supporters, anti-statists. All that does not a coalition make. The pro-business and free-market rhetoric is not enough (or even fake), is not articulated, fleshed out properly.

The Dems, under Clinton, became the National Centrist Party, ‘Third Way.’ Their traditional embrace of identity politics (we can forget the labor part...) and more inclusive discourse/actions here are an overwhelming card in present and future USA - e.g. more babies were born to ‘minority’ citizens last year than to whites. It is a weakness, as well, but not one the Repubs are capable of exploiting at present.

For foreign policy, a good summary is: there is no difference between the two.

See for ex. elsewhere: Blair (Labor - Third Way) or now Hollande (Socialist.) Or see the O - Romney debates.

The false dichotomy - or duopoly that in public fights for power - is moving towards a one-party system (ex. China, Russia..) I’m not saying it will happen anytime soon, just, that is the present drift. The real issues are obfuscated by both parties and I don’t doubt they will keep their grip on the political levers, system.

Posted by: Noirette | Nov 7, 2012 9:58:36 AM | 33

@16

You and me both somebody.

As for the election. I see no chance of a major change in FP. The strategic aims of the US have changed very little since WWII. Domination of the Middle East is still pretty far up the totem pole. Escalation in Syria and more pressure on Iran to come.

As for domestic issues - Do we really think Obama is gonna make a big difference for the poor and wage slaves?

Posted by: billyboy | Nov 7, 2012 10:55:19 AM | 34

*real change can only come about with much more aggressive resistance, starting with an election boycott to delegitimize this junta, then a general strike to shut it down until clearly stated demands are met.*
http://tinyurl.com/ax5qhvk

Posted by: denk | Nov 7, 2012 10:55:38 AM | 35

The fact that Obomber has embraced, extended, and defended Bush era policies should tell YOU something.

There is nothing magical about the Democratic politicians. If you know your history, Bill Clinton was going to start the war on terror, but he decided he didn't want to hand the next administration a full blown war. Besides which, his sanctions policy was responsible for the deaths, reportedly, of half a million Iraqi children, a price his Sec of State Albright said was "worth it." The fact Obama seems to be channeling Albright now is a rather chilling reminder that the only difference between Reps and Dems is not how many they kill, but how they do it -- Dems, since the days of 'Nam, don't like to get their hands dirty .

Posted by: Cynthia | Nov 7, 2012 11:28:18 AM | 36

billyboy @34,

The problem is that the poor and the middle class produce only real wealth such as autos, houses, services, and other widgets, whereas the wealthy can produce unlimited imaginary paper wealth, seemingly out of thin air. Somehow this power to create such unlimited amounts of assets out of thin air has made the average person feel smaller and smaller and ever more impotent and alienated. Somehow, people must snap out of their denial and see this economy for what it is, a giant fraud. About 90% of Wall Street services and products could be eliminated without any damage to the real economy, if we had a leader with the guts to take them on. President Obama promised to back advance Joes on Main Street, not the crony capitalists on Wall Street, and he was an epic fail from the very start.


The Cronies are now in formation
These pests are a bad infestation
Their immoral sleaze
Transmits a disease
That threatens the heart of the nation

The Limerick King

http://www.flickr.com/photos/expd/8014604998/

Posted by: Cynthia | Nov 7, 2012 11:42:55 AM | 37

Results are in: side arms maker Smith & Wesson shares rose 10% this morning

Posted by: b | Nov 7, 2012 1:19:29 PM | 38

@Cynthia #37;

Interesting point you are making. When real investment in production does not bring any profit, the great patrons of the "free world" (ie. the capital owners) end up trying to invest in gambling and imaginary paper wealth. The root of the problem is in our very motivation for production: PROFIT MAKING.
Now say this and people will stare you in the face asif you are demented or that you have come from Mars! :)

Posted by: Pirouz_2 | Nov 7, 2012 1:58:22 PM | 39

The R's had a real chance even with robot Romney, until they started opening their mouths about vagina's and "legitimate" rape, this was the first "Fight For Your Vagina" election....guess us REAL progressives better shut up about Obama warmongering until after the 2014 midterms, then the election of some other democrat( oh god that's frightening) I guess we might get disappeared actually, maybe by drone? Like countless Arab & African children? Who will know?

Posted by: Jose Rios | Nov 7, 2012 2:01:51 PM | 40

oops @#37-- the Average Joes, not the advanced Joes. My mind must've strayed for a moment.

Posted by: Cynthia | Nov 7, 2012 2:24:41 PM | 41

@ 39 + 37. I remember trying to explain to my younger son, the idea that many products are simply invented to make a profit. I used pokemon figures to try and make him understand. He didn't get it!

He loved his pokemon and couldn't see they were pointless. :o) Now he sees!

Posted by: billyboy | Nov 7, 2012 2:49:59 PM | 42

California Prop 37, Genetically Engineered Food Labeling

No = 57.7
Yes = 42.3

Apparently the people of California, the most progressive state in the USA, the people who pride themselves on rushing out to get any earth saving trendy gimmick, these same people don’t want to know what Frankenfood they put in their bodies?

Posted by: hans | Nov 7, 2012 4:06:01 PM | 43

After the million$ spent on their misinformation campaign, nay, campaign of outright lies, and their sophisticated and highly effective PR, nay, propaganda, blaring out night after night on the boob tube, it's a wonder that over 42% were still well enough informed to vote on the side of truth. It is a tribute to those few companies of integrity that spent what they could and the tireless efforts of the workers. I salute them both.

Posted by: juannie | Nov 7, 2012 7:20:27 PM | 44

Statement on Election Results from the California Right to Know Campaign

We'll be taking the scumbag corporate person on again next year here in VT and other places as well, I'm sure.
Where's POA when I need the help of his vernacular?

Posted by: juannie | Nov 7, 2012 7:28:08 PM | 45

ass won
http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article32966.htm

Posted by: denk | Nov 7, 2012 9:56:42 PM | 46

The evil corporation, whose name may not be spoken, may have paid to have the voting machines hacked for the GMO Proposition 37, in California.

On another subject, maybe Obama's win last night was a coronation. He and Romney are interchangeable parts, after all: for one would probably work as good as the other, to manage the empire's killing fields.

The black box voting investigator, Bev Harris, has an unusual perspective on this. See her story, America's Clairvoyant Election System.

Posted by: Copeland | Nov 7, 2012 10:06:00 PM | 47

it's all too bizarre, Copeland. I watched the Karl Rove tantrum go down on Fox live; he bullied Megyn Kelly into physically marching down to the numbers room, then later verbally sparred with the guy.

we get what we get for 4 more years because Obama is perfect for the job.

Posted by: lizard | Nov 7, 2012 10:24:00 PM | 48

Copeland @ 47: Bev Harris, one of the few voices crying in the wilderness about the threat of electronic voting. It's the perfect system, we get who THEY want. The absence of debate over these machines is staggering.

Posted by: ben | Nov 7, 2012 10:57:01 PM | 49

you are right , lizard. The dreaminess and surreality of the Obama celebrations, and his speech, seemed divorced from reality. That struck me more than anything. Those who own the wiring, or "the wire", own the country, along with its organs of propaganda; and it is they (whoever they are), who have carried us across another threshold, and it isn't good.

Posted by: Copeland | Nov 7, 2012 10:59:15 PM | 50

Ben@49. That's sadly true and it's too late to bar the door. This will be a long, long, struggle and test of endurance.

Posted by: Copeland | Nov 7, 2012 11:03:31 PM | 51

Petras sums up the near future of America quite succinctly:

US Elections: From the “Lesser to the Greater Evil”and the Demise of Critical Liberalism

http://petras.lahaine.org/?p=1915

Written before the [s]elections, he lists what direction the USA will take, irregardless of which mouthpiece wins it. This is the end of his essay:

"The Future: Post-Election Consequences

With or without the re-election of Obama, his regime and policies have laid the groundwork for an ever more regressive and reactionary social agenda: living standards including health, welfare, social security will be cut drastically. Afro-Americans will remain invisible except to the police and racist judicial system. Immigrants will be hunted down and driven out of homes and jobs: immigrant student dreams will become nightmares of fear and trepidation. Death squads, proxy and drone wars will multiply to prop up a bankrupt US empire. Unaccountable and hypocritical progressives will shift gears and criticize the president they elected; or if it’s Romney they will attack the same vices they overlooked during Obama’s electoral campaign: more cuts in public spending and climate change will result in greater deterioration in everyday life and basic infrastructure; more floods, fires, plagues and blackouts. New Yorkers will learn to detox their toilet water; they might be drinking and bathing in it."

Posted by: вот так | Nov 7, 2012 11:19:12 PM | 52

The electronic election fraud cases are rampant:

Evidence of Electronic Vote Fraud Pours In from Both Liberal and Conservative Sources

http://www.washingtonsblog.com/2012/11/videos-of-vote-fraud-pour-in-from-both-liberal-and-conservative-sources.html

There is quite a few cases already, as shown by the listing at the end of the report. A few of the comments after the report contain additional info, also (after the weather spammer).

Posted by: вот так | Nov 8, 2012 3:53:32 AM | 53

All people have to insist on is a print-out they can check and store so that a recount is possible.

I guess on the ground partisans are in heavy combat about this in battleground states. Florida is a joke in terms of democracy and humanly possibly inefficiency.

It will effect the final result only if the result is close and open to debate.

The larger issue is voter registration, turn out and making it easy or difficult for people to vote depending on the demographics of a state.

Posted by: somebody | Nov 8, 2012 4:34:57 AM | 54

and now there is this :-))

Iran's Ahmadinejad ridicules expense of US vote

BALI, Indonesia -- Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad on Thursday called the U.S. election a "battleground for capitalists" while speaking at a democracy forum a day after President Barack Obama was re-elected.

He said democracy has become a system where the minority rules over the majority.

"Just take a look at the situation in Europe and the U.S.," Ahmadinejad said during the meeting's opening day on Indonesia's resort island of Bali. An "election, which is one of the manifestations of the people's will, has become a battleground for the capitalists and an excuse for hasty spending."

The price tag for the 2012 U.S. presidential campaign was the highest ever, soaring beyond $2 billion.

Erdoğan, Ahmadinejad discuss Syria during Bali forum

Turkish Prime Minister Recep Tayyip Erdoğan and Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad had an unannounced talk Nov. 8 during the Democracy Forum in Bali, daily Hürriyet reported. Erdoğan and Ahmadinejad walked to the dinner event together, starting up a conversation that lasted during dinner as well.


Posted by: somebody | Nov 8, 2012 5:19:50 AM | 55

Arizona woman runs down husband with car for not voting: police

http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/11/13/us-usa-arizona-voterage-idUSBRE8AC05B20121113

"An Arizona woman, in despair at the re-election of Democratic President Barack Obama, ran down her husband with the family car in suburban Phoenix on Saturday because he failed to vote in the election, police said on Monday.

Holly Solomon, 28, was arrested after running over husband Daniel Solomon following a wild chase that left him pinned underneath the vehicle.

Daniel Solomon, 36, was in critical condition at a local hospital, but is expected to survive, Gilbert police spokesman Sergeant Jesse Sanger said.

Police said Daniel Solomon told them his wife became angry over his "lack of voter participation" in last Tuesday's presidential election and believed her family would face hardship as a result of Obama winning another term.

Witnesses reported the argument broke out on Saturday morning in a parking lot and escalated. Mrs Solomon then chased her husband around the lot with the car, yelling at him as he tried to hide behind a light pole, police said. He was struck after attempting to flee to a nearby street."

That "Solomon" had a rather excitable nature, apparently. Can one imagine what would have happened if he had voted and she found out it was for Obama?

Posted by: вот так | Nov 13, 2012 1:15:18 AM | 56

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