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October 7, 2012
Syria: False Flag Attacks To Clear A Border Zone

It seems I was wrong in suggesting that Erdogan was made to step back from the brink. The false flag mortar shots from Syria onto Turkish grounds are said to continue. It defies any logic that the Syrian army would do such continues provocations. The Syrian government has no interest in giving Turkey a pretext for using its troops against Syria.

Each time such an unverifiable event happens the Turkish military is now using it (Dutch video report) to hold down Syrian army units with its artillery while the foreign sponsored insurgents take this or that town or army position.

This all together looks like a coordinated plan to push the Syrian army out of the border region with Turkey and to establish a zone there that the rebels can control and use for training and rest. It is Erdogan’s solution for the increasing problem those insurgents create for him on the Turkish side of the border.

It is also an escalation that deserves a response.

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Confirmed: Pentagon deploys special forces to Jordan-Syria border
RT | October 10, 2012
US Secretary of Defense Leon Panetta has confirmed that US troops have been dispatched to the Jordan-Syrian border to help bolster the former’s military capabilities in case violence escalates in the volatile region.
­”We have a group of our forces there working to help build a headquarters there and to insure that we make the relationship between the United States and Jordan a strong one so that we can deal with all the possible consequences of what’s happening in Syria,” Panetta said.
Panetta’s comments came during a NATO conference of defense ministers in Brussels, where he said the US had been working with Jordan to monitor chemical and biological weapons sites in Syria and help the country deal with Syrian refugees crossing over the border.
The US has previously used Jordan as a base for other Syria-related military activities. In May of this year, Washington held military drills in Jordan dubbed ‘Operation Eager Lion,’ which saw around 12,000 troops from several nations participate in undisclosed training exercises.
The Obama administration denied accusations in the Syrian media that the exercises were a threat against President Assad, and maintained that the action focused on the treatment of refugees, anti-terrorism tactics and naval interception of smuggling vessels.
Following the operation, a small US contingent stayed behind to establish the center in Amman, paving the way for the arrival of more personnel.
“We have been working closely with our Jordanian partners on a variety of issues related to Syria for some time now,” Pentagon Press Secretary George Little said. Citing Washington’s concern over Syria’s stockpiles of chemical and biological weapons, he said that the US has been planning “various contingencies, both unilaterally and with our regional partners.”
The Syrian conflict took an unexpected turn [?] last week when mortar fire struck across the border at neighboring Turkey, sparking outcry from the Turkish government which subsequently returned fire. Turkey deployed 25 new F-16 fighter jets to reinforce its borders this week as NATO pledged support if the conflict spills into the country again.

Posted by: SufferingFools | Oct 10 2012 17:07 utc | 101

Erdogan & Davutoglu have just escalated even further, having a passenger jet heading to Moscow forced down by military jets.
Syrian passenger plane flying from Moscow forced to land in Ankara
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2012/oct/10/syrian-passenger-plane-moscow-ankara
My take is that this is a response to Putin cancelling his visit where they were likely going to try & pressure him to dropping support for Syria – but to come up with something like this as a response?
This seems to be an act of either total desperation or a complete break with reality.
These idiots seem to have lost the plot completely, & expect quite a number of rats to start deserting a very leaky ship…

Posted by: KenM | Oct 10 2012 20:09 utc | 102

Posted by: KenM | Oct 10, 2012 4:09:09 PM | 102
that sounds illegal

Posted by: brian | Oct 10 2012 20:52 utc | 103

The plane has been released.
I think it’s difficult to go further. The Americans are in Jordan ready to “rescue” the WMD (dangerous for Jordan). But the Syrian regime is not collapsing.
In the north, the rebels hold large areas north of Aleppo, but I am not sure there are areas which could be secured against the government. If there were, we would have heard of them.
It’s a true stalemate.

Posted by: alexno | Oct 10 2012 21:47 utc | 104

Turkey forced down a syrian-bound passenger plane in ankara.
Iraq warned Turkey and NATO against syrian war after making huge arms deal with Russia.

Posted by: nikon | Oct 10 2012 22:25 utc | 105

The strange plane incident: Turkey’s foreign minister is in the news claiming that according to UN resolutions it is illegal to supply weapons to Syria.
Could be they are beating the Syrian government whilst trying to contain the rebels.

Posted by: somebody | Oct 11 2012 8:51 utc | 106

Marcus Papadopoulos ‏@DrMarcusP
Paperwork routine: Turks force Syrian crew to sign ’emergency landing, no F-16s’ statement – witnesses — RT http://rt.com/news/plane-passenger-reaction-140/ … via @RT_com
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is this the behavior now of governments? the mad turks know their action is illegal and try to force others to do their will

Posted by: brian | Oct 11 2012 12:11 utc | 107

this is amazing and criminal on the part of the turkish state…further proof the real villains are the turks,,,not syria:
Passengers onboard the plane intercepted by Turkish jets said that security forces were making the crew and passengers sign fraudulent papers suggesting that the plane made an emergency landing and no Turkish military were involved in the incident.
Hours after Turkish authorities announced that the Syrian Airlines passenger plane intercepted by its F-16s was granted a departure clearance, the aircraft remained on the tarmac in darkness.
“Four people onboard have been beaten up, two crew and two passengers, as they tried to force them to sign documents,” Sherin Azis, a hostess on the plane, told RT by phone. “We don’t know what these papers are about. We are scared for the fate of the captain. He was taken away and threatened with arrest if he does not sign an emergency landing paper.”
Fatima al-Saman, a passenger and a mother of three, also told RT that the captain was being forced to sign a release stating that military planes were not involved and the plane just made an emergency landing.
“If we do not agree to these terms, they will take the captain kind of hostage,” al-Saman said. “They are threatening us. The captain has now returned and said that ‘either I sign the document that I made an emergency landing or they are taking me hostage.’”
The plane has been surrounded by people in masks who have detained all the cargo and were looking through what looked like boxes with documents, passengers said. The Turkish authorities were interested in some spare parts, which a businessman bought in Russia and was transporting to Syria, al-Saman said. She said that as far as she could tell, they were clearly not weapons.
“They started unloading some packages. They opened them, took pictures. There were many people. We all saw what was in there. There were no weapons. You could see it with an untrained eye!” she said. “They just had some spare parts and papers – objects, but there were no rockets. It is all a lie.”
The captain himself did not even know why the plane was ordered down, al-Saman said. She added that the search involved only luggage, and the passengers were mainly ignored.
“Everyone is ignoring us, making it seem like we do not exist,” she said. “The Russian Consulate did not get back to us. A lady has called one of the passengers and told her that the [embassy staff] are not being allowed to enter the airport territory. They have led us out of the plane where we kept asking for help, but everyone seems to ignore us.”
‘Close to disaster’
Following the incident Syrian Airlines accused the Turkish authorities of assaulting the airplane staff.
“The crew was subjected to aggressive behavior on the part of the Turkish authorities,” said airline director Ghaida Abd Al-Latif. She said that the Turkish began to get aggressive when the crew refused to sign the papers stating that the plane made an emergency landing.
Al-Latif said that the Turkish jets intercepted the passenger plane in the air without any prior warning and flew so close by that a real “disaster could have happened.”

Posted by: brian | Oct 11 2012 12:25 utc | 108

Brian,
This hijacking, continuous shelling of Syria is to show that Syria, it closest allies Iran and Russia are powerless to act. At the same time the desecration of churches and mosques goes on unabated in Israel. Here again the powers to be of the christian and Islamic domination’s are powerless to act. The Greek orthodox church is giving full support to the state who in turn is openly supporting the FSA. Now would you believe this, the Greek Orthodox and Syria have deep and long historical connections. The Zionist have truly corrupted the desert religions.

Posted by: hans | Oct 11 2012 13:26 utc | 109

“The strange plane incident: Turkey’s foreign minister is in the news claiming that according to UN resolutions it is illegal to supply weapons to Syria. Could be they are beating the Syrian government whilst trying to contain the rebel”
Oh STFU you pathetic little twerp
it very obviously is nothing of the sort

Posted by: STFU | Oct 11 2012 14:07 utc | 110

Hey All
The special forces to Jordan is not new.
The special forces or ‘advisors’, whatever, have been in Jordan since 2011.
I did a post Dec 2011 on the presence of special ops in Jordan
There was also news in May 2012 regarding their presence and participation in “games” You can read that
here
It would seem sensible that Syrian gov and intel is fully aware of the long time placement of US special forces in Jordan
The only real “development” on that front is the abundant coverage of this old news via the msm?
Why?
The only aspect that I find is new is the promotion of a “buffer zone”
That falls in line with the news one can find linked
in this post

A norther “buffer” zone and a southern “buffer” zone would enable NATO to control Syrian skies
Just a thought?

Posted by: Penny | Oct 11 2012 16:15 utc | 111

STFU, do you think Turkey (or AKP)has an interest to go to war with Syria 8OR Russia? Why should they act against their interests?
There is also information around like this:
Mary Fitzgerald ‏@MaryFitzgerldIT
So what prompted Turkey to blacklist more than 40 #Libyans, including Mehdi Harati, Libyan-Irish founder of Liwa al-Umma brigade in #Syria?
Mehdi Harati, Libyan-Irish founder of #Syria rebel brigade Liwa al-Umma, is one of more than 40 Libyans now blacklisted from entering Turkey
in other news everybody seems to postpone things to November …

Posted by: somebody | Oct 11 2012 17:02 utc | 112

A Bizzare Inversion of Reality:
Look how the Guardian Reports this
From the Guardian:
“Eight die” in attack on bus at Lebanese border
Down the page @ 13:01 BST

Syrian state television is reporting that eight people have been killed today in an attack by “armed terrorists” on a bus transporting Syrian workers at the Lebanon border.
A further eight people are said to have been wounded. The Syrian government uses the term “armed terrorists” when referring to rebel fighters.
More details when we have them.

So even though they just massacred Eight civilian workers, the Pro-Imperialist-Humanitarian-Interventionists at the Guardian still can’t bring themselves to call it an act of Terrorism, in fact they do the exact opposite – they actually go out of their way make the claim that “terrorists” are not “terrorists” but in fact the much more benign-sounding “rebel fighters”, and implies that it is only the Syrian Gov’t that would call these people “terrorists”.
So if you consider that this murder of 8 civilian workers was an act of terrorism you must be a Syrian Gov’t supporter, (and since Assad is one of the numerous New Hitlers, who knows what you might also be . . . . . )

Posted by: SufferingFools | Oct 11 2012 17:20 utc | 113

yeah, your terrorist is my freedom fighter, the hypocrisy is very obvious.
The Turkish government seems to have gone completely crazy, they now
categorically deny US special forces are present in Turkey
I mean, they are a member of NATO, whom do they expect to fool?

Posted by: somebody | Oct 11 2012 17:25 utc | 114

So you’re back to flogging the bejesus outta the imaginary ‘Blowback’ again?
give it up.
When this imaginary ‘blowback’ you keep waffling on about happens repeatedly over a such long time it can no longer be considered a mere ‘bug’ in the program – it is obviously intended to be a fully endorsed feature of the damn thing.

Posted by: SufferingFools | Oct 11 2012 18:32 utc | 115

SufferingFools do you really believe in the logic of human behaviour? I don’t. The world cannot be explained that way. Either life is pointless as it ends in death, or you are religious. You seriously think religion is guided by logic? Atheists are a very small minority worldwide.
Let me sum up this interview with Riad al Assad by Al Jazeera
Saudi Arabia is paying so Saudi Arabia is defining the goals of the “revolution”.

Posted by: somebody | Oct 11 2012 18:54 utc | 116

I’m always very wary of anyone that seeks to blame it all on religion – the wilfull blindness required to defend such a proposition is not inconsiderable – the fact that you are doing so is no surprise whatsoever

Posted by: SufferingFools | Oct 11 2012 18:57 utc | 117

it is in fact the very core of the “Clash of Civilisations” narrative – again, no surprise that it is you pimping for it here

Posted by: SufferingFools | Oct 11 2012 18:59 utc | 118

So basically your proposition is that a bunch of clerics in Saudi came up with the wherewithal to first decide upon a well-oiled Trans-national Low Intensity Conflict (Death Squad Edition) Regime Change strategy, and then implement it quite flawlessly several times, all off their own bat?
These Saudis are also supposedly acting completely autonomously?

Posted by: SufferingFools | Oct 11 2012 19:04 utc | 119

SufferingFools, how do you explain the conflict in Ireland?

Posted by: somebody | Oct 11 2012 19:25 utc | 120

“Let me sum up this interview with Riad al Assad by Al Jazeera
Saudi Arabia is paying so Saudi Arabia is defining the goals of the “revolution”.”

all I saw was the start of interview with a some swarthy-looking beardy-guy in camouflage-fatigues that calls himself a “General” but who, the Media entity in question even admits, “doesn’t have an army”.
I stopped listening at that point, and clicked ‘close’. Seriously – what was that meant to prove?

Posted by: SufferingFools | Oct 11 2012 19:25 utc | 121

“SufferingFools, how do you explain the conflict in Ireland?”
a LOT differently than anyone here so far.

Posted by: SufferingFools | Oct 11 2012 19:26 utc | 122

also I have scant recollection of any of the so-called ‘Irish’ elements in Northern Ireland every implementing a well-oiled NATO-Supplied successful Trans-national regime-change strategy against other State entities
Though I note that the same could not be said for some of the so-called ‘British’ elements engaged in that conflict.

Posted by: SufferingFools | Oct 11 2012 19:31 utc | 123

From the memory hole
Saudi investors ‘could withdraw US funds’
“Saudi investors have threatened to withdraw some of the $750bn (£487bn; 766bn euros) they have invested in the US after families of 11 September victims filed a lawsuit against Saudi banks and charities for damages.
Assuming the court proceeds with this lawsuit, the Saudi investment community, already in shock, will start withdrawing their money
“This is an act to extort Saudi money deposited in the US and a way of meddling in the region,” an official at Al-Rajhi Investment and Development Corp, one of the Saudi banks named in the lawsuit, told the Reuters news agency. ”

Posted by: somebody | Oct 11 2012 19:40 utc | 124

From the memory hole – friends of Erdogan
The Al Qadi Affair
Did the ”Specially Designated Global Terrorist,” Yasin Al Qadi, evade U.N. sanctions with the help of politically connected friends in Turkey?
Wikipedia Yasin al Qadi

Posted by: somebody | Oct 11 2012 20:05 utc | 125

Syrian Spetsnaz: Interview with Russian military veteran in Syria
http://www.syrianews.cc/syrian-spetsnaz-interview-with-a-russian-military-veteran-in-syria/

Posted by: KerKaraje | Oct 11 2012 20:40 utc | 126

thanks, KerKaraje

Posted by: somebody | Oct 12 2012 6:03 utc | 127

This IRA/Al-Q comparison you are trying to make is nothing but the usual Apples-to-Bullshit nonsense that you are already well-known for.
There is little if any similarity between the situations of Alq/FSA in Libya/Syria recently and the IRA in Northern Ireland during the latter-half of the 20th century. The fact you are trying to claim that they are similar is either a measure of your own cluelessness or else a measure of your own dishonesty

Posted by: SufferingFools | Oct 12 2012 12:48 utc | 128

The original IT headline for this story reads: Turkey accuses Russia of directly arming Assad side
but it should of course read:
“Turks find SFA in Syria Aircraft so they cobble together a load of BS to try and distract from that fact”
It’s basically “Reality Inversion, 101”
(of course it’s by the Guardians very own (Russian Hater extraordinaire Mr) IAN BLACK and MIRIAM ELDER (Luke Hardings replacement as “Russian Hater in Residence”) in Moscow, so whaddya expect?)

SYRIA’S CRISIS triggered new international tensions yesterday when Turkey’s prime minister, Recep Tayipp Erdogan, accused Russia of directly supplying munitions to Bashar al-Assad’s government, after Turkish jets intercepted an aircraft en route from Moscow to Damascus.
Russia had earlier flatly denied that the Syrian aircraft, which was forced to land in Ankara, was carrying any military equipment. But Mr Erdogan was quoted as saying: “This was equipment and ammunition that was being sent from a Russian agency … to the Syrian defence ministry. Their examination is continuing and the necessary [action] will follow.” Mr Erdogan’s comments clearly implied he was accusing Moscow of lying.
In earlier, angry exchanges, Russia had accused the Turkish authorities of endangering Russian lives when the Syrian Air passenger flight was intercepted by F16 fighter jets on Wednesday evening.
Turkish media reports said cargo confiscated from the plane before it was allowed to leave Ankara included radios, antennae and equipment “thought to be missile parts”. Syria immediately condemned the Turkish action as piracy.
Turkey said previously that it had received an intelligence tip-off that the aircraft had illegal cargo on board. Mr Erdogan warned last year that Turkey would be willing to take measures to “stop and confiscate” any shipment of military supplies, by air or sea, to Syria in contravention of its own unilateral embargo.. . . . .

Posted by: SufferingFools | Oct 12 2012 13:32 utc | 129

Here’s another taste of Mr Ian Black.
Prince Bandar bin Sultan – profile
Saudi Arabian intelligence chief has been coordinating policies towards Syrian uprising
Ian Black, Middle East editor
guardian.co.uk, Wednesday 10 October 2012 21.53 BST
Prince Bandar has kept a low profile since returning to Saudi Arabia from Washington – where he was the ambassador – in 2005. Photograph: Martin Argles for the Guardian
Prince Bandar bin Sultan has been coordinating Saudi Arabia’s policies towards the Syrian uprising since being appointed intelligence chief by King Abdullah in July. Bandar’s reputation as an inveterate networker and hawk have fuelled anticipation about how he will handle the bloodiest crisis of the Arab spring.
In 1983 Bandar, the king’s nephew, became Saudi ambassador to Washington, where he spent 22 years. He was close to presidents Reagan and both Bushes – and was even known as “Bandar Bush”. He negotiated huge arms deals for the Kingdom – including the infamous £43bn al-Yamamah agreement with the UK. The Guardian reported allegations that he had received £1bn in secret payments from BAE.
Part of the mystery surrounding him involved his role in backing the Mujahideen who fought the Soviet Union in Afghanistan with CIA support in the 1980s. He is famously hostile to Iran, the Saudi kingdom’s great rival, and is said to advocate links with Israel, seeing it as a lesser threat than the Islamic republic.
The normally flamboyant Bandar – he has a penchant for cigars and flies in a private Airbus – had kept a low profile since returning to Riyadh in 2005 and becoming head of the national security council. But he was often photographed with senior US officials, most recently during a visit by the CIA director, General David Petraeus. [couldn’t find any, myself. Not that that disproves anything]
Bandar took over the Syria “file” from the king’s son Abdelaziz, a deputy foreign minister. The move also followed rumours of inefficiency at the intelligence agency. Bandar organized the visit of Manaf Tlass, the Sunni general and Assad associate who defected from Syria in July. Shortly after his appointment it was rumoured – evidently falsely [“Evidently”? where’s the “evidence”?] – that he had been killed in an explosion in Riyadh. Iranian and pro-Assad media suggested it was retaliation for the assassination of four of Assad’s senior security chiefs in a bomb attack in Damascus a few days earlier.
Veteran Saudi-watchers say that decision-making in Riyadh, where government is highly personalised and the senior royals ageing, is currently in poor shape. The king is 88 and frail, Crown Prince Salman, 76, abroad and the foreign minister, Prince Saud al-Faisal, 72, convalescing.
In a rare public glimpse of his movements, Bandar was reported [this is apparently the “evidence” Black alludes to earlier] to be in the Qatari capital Doha on Wednesday, holding talks with the Emir, Sheikh Hamad. It would be surprising if the Syrian crisis was not on their agenda. “We need to wait and see what Bandar will do with the Syria file,” said one Saudi source. “People will be watching carefully.”

Posted by: SufferingFools | Oct 12 2012 13:43 utc | 130

from the ever-hysterical antiwar.com today:
Jordan: US Troops Help Prepare for Syrian Attack
from the less hysterical ARMY TIMES:
— From the edge of a steep mountain overlooking a desert compound built into an old rock quarry, machine gunfire echoes just outside hangars where U.S. special operations forces are training Jordanian commandos.(end)
Oh My God! Training untrained Jordan commandos to operate machine guns inside hangars! A whole new brand of warfare — inside-the-hangar machine-gunning! Surely this will blunt anti-war.com’s “Syrian Attack.”
Or is it pro-war.com?

Posted by: Don Bacon | Oct 12 2012 14:44 utc | 131

OT: In the spirit of Obama’s Nobel Peace Prize, now the European Union has been awarded it. According to Alfred Nobel’s will, the prize should be awarded to “the person who [during the previous year] shall have done the most or the best work for fraternity between nations, for the abolition or reduction of standing armies and for the holding and promotion of peace congresses.”
Alfred, do much rolling over in the grave?

Posted by: Don Bacon | Oct 12 2012 15:22 utc | 132

I trust we read Counterpunch here. Israel Shamir never disappoints

Posted by: ruralito | Oct 13 2012 15:18 utc | 133

via NiqNaq – “a textbook example of ‘al-qaeda’ performing its allotted function, providing pretexts for invasions
October 14, 2012
UN adopts resolution on northern Mali
BBC, Oct 13 2012 (abridged)
The UNSC has adopted a resolution paving the way for military intervention in Mali to retake the north from Islamist extremists. The resolution requests a detailed plan for such an operation from African organisations within 45 days.
The UN has so far refused to endorse requests for military intervention without details of a plan. Mali’s government and the West African regional body ECOWAS have made requests for authorisation for an international force to intervene, with ECOWAS proposing a force of 3,000.
The resolution, drafted by France, requests that “detailed and actionable recommendations” be presented to the UNSC within the specified time. Another UNSCR will be required to authorise any action in Mali. The text expresses alarm over the infiltration by al-Qaeda in the Islamic Maghreb into the north.
Earlier this week, the UN Asst Sec-Gen for Human Rights Ivan Simonovic returned from Mali and warned that AQIM had imposed Shari’a on the areas they controlled. Simonovic said that he had heard testimony that forced marriage, forced prostitution and rape were widespread, and that women were being sold as wives for less than $1,000.
AQIM stoned to death an unwed couple and amputated the hand of an alleged thief. The UN says that their destruction of ancient shrines in Timbuktu is a war crime, and the International Criminal Court has launched an inquiry into their alleged atrocities.

Posted by: SufferingFools | Oct 14 2012 15:42 utc | 134