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October 04, 2012

Erdogan's Gets War Powers

Update (11:30am)

The neocon Israel mouthpiece and supporter of the Syrian insurgents Michael Weiss just tweeted this:

Important to note: Turkish bill for authorizing force deployment was dated September 20. Erdogan knew trouble lay ahead.
The FSA insurgents captured the border crossing point Tal Abyad right next to the town Akçakale on September 19 to build a supply line for their attack on the city of al-Raqqa. A day later Erdogan prepares a bill giving him war powers. This certainly increases the suspicion that this was a false flag attack with the purpose of getting Erdogan war powers.

/end update/

Turkey, led by its premier Erdogan, fell into a trap. Other countries applauded the insurgency in Syria and provided weapons and money to it. Erdogan joint them and delivered himself much support. But when the insurgency did not provide the expected immediate success no other country agreed to help Turkey with regular outside forces to overthrow the Syrian government. Meanwhile Turkey's economy got damaged, the influx of over 100,000 refugees brought increasing problems and the resurgence of the PKK in Turkey led to several spectacular attacks. The Turkish public continues to be against Erdogan's interventionist policy in Syria.

Before yesterday's mortar attack on the Turkish border village Akçakale Russia had warned of such a false flag incident:

Both Syrian and Turkish authorities “should exercise maximum restraint” since radical members of the Syrian opposition might deliberately provoke cross-border conflicts for their own benefits, Deputy Foreign Minister Gennady Gatilov said yesterday. The diplomat said Moscow has been worrying about the situation on the Syria-Turkey border.
Just a day later such a conflict happened. Someone launched mortars from Syrian territory onto Akçakale and killed five people in Turkey. Turkey responded with heavy artillery fire against Syrian Arab Army positions.

Did the Russians knew what a false flag attack was in the making? As even the NYT remarked:

It was unclear if the mortar that struck Turkey was fired by government forces or by rebels fighting to oust the government of Mr. Assad
Still the Turkish government waxed about a violation of its sovereignty by the Syrian government. Just a few days ago Iraq had called on Turkey to leave the bases it has in northern Iraq since the 1990s. Turkey rejected that call. That and Turkish support for the insurgents in Syria tells you all you need to know about how Turkey really feels about sovereignty.

Not being able to pull others into the conflict which the insurgents lack the manpower to see through and not willing to risk the loss of face a climb down from his position would entail Erdogan has chosen to escalate.

With a 320 to 129 vote the Turkish parliament just adopted a motion that gives war powers to the Turkish government. The core text:

This situation has reached a stage that poses serious threats and risks to our national security. Therefore, the need has developed to act rapidly and to take the necessary precautions against additional risks and threats that may be directed against our country. Within this framework, on the condition that the extent, amount, and time will be appreciated and determined by the government, I submit according to Article 92 of the Constitution a one-year-long permission to make the necessary arrangements for sending the Turkish Armed Forces to foreign countries and having it [TSK] mandated, according to the principle causes that will be designated by the government.
An opposition member in the parliament called this a license for a bigger war:
"This motion has no limits," İnce said. "You can wage a world war with [the motion]."
Indeed one wonders what the plural in "foreign countries" and "principle causes" mean. Will Erdogan order the invasion of Armenia?

One also has to wonder how the Turkish military would perform in an all out war. Over 300 Turkish officers are in jail, including 71 former and active generals, for allegedly planing a coup. More are likely to be indicted. What Turkish officer will show any initiative when any act without an explicit written order may put him in danger of getting hauled in front of a court?

And how will the proverbial Arab street react when Turkey with openly neo-ottoman ambitions invades an Arab country?

War powers or not. In the end the big loser in this conflict might well be Erdogan himself.

Posted by b on October 4, 2012 at 13:12 UTC | Permalink


how often has a leader taken his country to war because he'd be embarrassed because events made his statements look ludicrous.

Posted by: heath | Oct 4 2012 13:29 utc | 1

Turkey has taken matters into its own hands in the past. Remember Cyprus. I am wondering if Erdogan sees an opportunity to wage a limited war with limited objectives to secure northern Syria and northern Iraq where he can use to deal with the kurds.
Syria today apologized for the mishap admitting responsibility, so i am wondering if the false flag was not in play but an accident of targeting which is not unusual in this area.
Question is, how far will erdogan push and how will syria respond.
The middle east has a long history of short battles ending in a cease fire and diplomatic solutions that each side try to get as much as they want, where erdogan will demand a demilitarized no fly zone so his FSA can be protected inside syrian territory, while the syrians will demand turkey stop supporting these groups.
I suspect we are now facing a new game and things will start to take a different direction.

Posted by: ana souri | Oct 4 2012 14:00 utc | 2

Syria today apologized for the mishap admitting responsibility
Where did you read @ana, is there any official statement.

Posted by: hans | Oct 4 2012 14:22 utc | 3

reminds me of the Stalin Army Purges, right before the Soviets needed a competent officer corps to prosecute the war against Nazi Germany

Posted by: SufferingFools | Oct 4 2012 14:55 utc | 4

From Erdogan's point of view, having a failed state in Syria prevents competition to Turkey's near monopoly over oil and gas pipeline routes from the Gulf and the Caspian.

How long can it be before someone (possibly with Israeli support) takes aim at the oil loading facilities in Ceyhan? It's only a couple hours drive from Syria.

If instability is what the international community wants, instability is probably what they'll get.

Posted by: JohnH | Oct 4 2012 15:21 utc | 5

If the clown Erdogan is foolish enough to invade Syria, he will regret it. Syria is no cakewalk regardless of what the zionist media has to say.

Posted by: bashar | Oct 4 2012 15:22 utc | 6

If the treaty between Iran and Syrian is 'real' (in the sense it's more than words) an open Turkish occupation of Syrian territory (even it's just 'the border') means war with Iran.

Posted by: ThePaper | Oct 4 2012 15:37 utc | 7

@7 Which could mean an Israel/Turkey alliance.

Posted by: dh | Oct 4 2012 16:09 utc | 8

hmm, Turkey says that Syria apologized, why are they still shelling?

There always has been a Turkish/Israeli alliance, the only reason Erdogan cites for having suspended it, is a) Turkey not apologizing for killing Turkish citizens, and b) the Gaza blockade.

I consider the disagreement highly staged. I think the Obama administration picked Turkey and Quatar to project US friendly Muslim soft power. I do not know if they still think this strategy viable after Libya.

Posted by: somebody | Oct 4 2012 16:35 utc | 9

Obama just wants to get our of the elections. After that who knows. Even an attack on Iran may be an option. Though I think the Democrat side of the empire will try for the 'velvet revolution' again as the presidential elections will be next year and Iran's economy is tanking thanks to the sanctions.

Posted by: ThePaper | Oct 4 2012 16:47 utc | 10

BTW, now that I'm reading some related news perhaps what happened this week was a planed and coordinated attack on the rial. Not just a 'normal' result of the sanctions. Iran's central bank should still have plenty of currency reserves. So the economic war on Iran may be stepping up.

Posted by: ThePaper | Oct 4 2012 16:52 utc | 11

#9 I was thinking more in terms of a mutual defence treaty.

Posted by: dh | Oct 4 2012 17:08 utc | 12

Some observers have remarked that Turkey/Syria is all about the Kurds. The Syrian district involved in these current events, cross-border attacks, is Tal Abeed (or Abyed) in Raqqa (Ar-Raqqah) Governorate which is an area probably or possibly controlled by the Kurds.

Posted by: Don Bacon | Oct 4 2012 17:25 utc | 13

The Kurds are definitely the wild card in this. But I believe the Kurdish independence movement is quite divided too.

Posted by: dh | Oct 4 2012 17:39 utc | 14

I guess Turkey is trying to help the rebels keep their supply lines. It seems they got stuck at Raqqa, b. already posted this Al Jazeera link.

Posted by: somebody | Oct 4 2012 18:11 utc | 15

Apparently Kaniya Xezala (Akçakale), in Turkey, is an Arab town (according to a blog comment) in a Kurdish-dominated area - Rıha(urfa) Province

This latest attack on the town is the best-publicized but not the first.
Zaman, Oct 1: (excerpt)

Akçakale, a small town of 27,000[sic], is the most vulnerable district as it is practically on the border. At least 5,000 people have left Akçakale since the start of the war and moved to Urfa. A local who shows us around tells us: “Because machine gun bullets hit school buildings, schools have been closed. All the teachers went to Urfa, some resigned.”
As we talk, a loud explosion rattles our eardrums. A mortar bomb must have fallen nearby. We can hear the sounds of tank fire two kilometers ahead, on the other side of the border. As we near the border, the sounds of the war are louder. Announcements from the mosque's speakers tell everyone to stay home. Akçakale residents, most of whom have relatives on the other side, however, get closer to the border, waiting there with fearful eyes to find out if anyone they love on the other side has been hurt. The police near the border cordon off the area and try to drive the worried crowd away, but to no avail.

Another blog comment -- 40 Syrian soldiers killed on a military base by Turkish artillery.

Posted by: Don Bacon | Oct 4 2012 18:15 utc | 16

Jordanian government is on the brink

Posted by: nikon | Oct 4 2012 18:51 utc | 17

Well Syria seems to say a few officers got injured, but Syrian shells continue to land on the Turkish side according to Turkey. Erdogan does not sound like war monger by the way and Syria is not apologizing - at least if you believe Al Jazeera which has gone completely neutral for a reason - I guess it is over.

Recep Tayyip Erdogan, Turkish prime minister, has spoken to the media about Syrian artillery fire that killed five Turkish civilians in Akcakale.

At a press conference in Ankara, Erdogan said new shells orginating from Syria have landed on Turkish territory on Thursday.

The Turkish prime minister says he was assured by Syria that the new artillery fire was an "accident".

"An accident can be called 'an accident' once, twice, three times, but four, five six times," Erdogan said claiming seven similar instances of the Syrian conflict spilling into Turkish territory.

Pointing to Iraq, Afghanistan, and even Syria as examples, Erdogan said "Turkey has no intention of starting a war" in the region.

All we want in this region is peace and security. We have no intention of starting war. We are aware of the outcome, consequences, of war in Iraq and Afghanistan...we see the same in Syria.

However, Erdogan said the Republic of Turkey is capable of protecting itself if its territorial integrity is compromised.

Bashar al-Jaafari, Syrian ambassador to the United Nations, has submitted a letter from Damascus to the United Nations Security Counsel in response to the deaths of five Turkish civilians from Syrian artillery fire.

Speaking live at the United Nations, Jaafari once again expressed Syria's condolensces to neighbouring Turkey.

Jaafari then went on to say the border between Syria and Turkey has been used as a haven and transport point for "undisciplined armed terrorist groups", which he said pose a threat to the security of Syria and the region.

Jaafari said two Syrian army officers were injured in the retaliatory shelling from Turkey, but that the forces of Bashar al-Assad, Syrian president, "practiced self-restraint".

He then went on to say that a series of attacks in Aleppo on Wednesday were orchestrated from the "long borders" between Syria and Turkey. The borders, Jaafari said, are "exploited in the smuggling of arms, ammunition and armed terrorists who committed massacres in Syria".

The UN envoy also said another letter had been sent to the UNSC from the Syrian administration. That letter, said Jaafari, was in reaction to four bombings in Aleppo on Wednesday.

The same day at almost the same time four suicide bombers detonated their explosives in Aleppo, killing scores of innocent civilians in the city of Aleppo. The council found itself incapable once again of issuing an official position condemning these terrorist attacks and this is due mainly speaking to the behavior and politicisation by some permanent members on the council who objected to issuing anything condemning these terrorist attacks while jabad al nasra, which you know is branch of al qaeda, claimed official responsibility for these terrorist attacks."

Posted by: somebody | Oct 4 2012 18:54 utc | 18

Erdogan seems to of created a situation where a constitutional coup in which he essentially becomes an absolute dictator is the only way that the AKP & the forces now tied to them will retain power.

He has engendered an enormous level of alienation with large sections of his own population, completely alienated his immediate neighbors & many of Turkey's major trading partners, & put himself completely in the camp of outside cultural forces that are despised by the majority of the Turkish people - the bizarre blend of Wahhabi influenced extreme Islamism & extreme neoliberalism that has hijacked much of the 'Arab Spring'.

Much of what he has done over the last few years now stands in sharp relief - the persecution & jailing of independant media voices, the decapitation of the army leadership, the attacks against the judiciary, the aggressive lobbying to change the constitution, & the continued concentration of power to those in his inner circle or directly into his hands, while sidelining possible rivals.

The backbone of the AKP, the small & large business classes along with the working class are being hit very hard over the AKP foreign policy, and the major trading partners onboard with Turkey's new foreign policy are now reduced to the EU & the Gulf states, with much of the EU only likely to go so far.
The Alevis, Kurds & many of the border peoples are likely completely unrecoverable for the AKP, & are now moving into a situation where their level of alienation brings into question their relationship as part of the Turkish state as a whole.

The enormous popular mandate that he had going into his 'final' term was very much based on the rising economy which had given genuinely broad economic improvement to the majority, & the greatly improved sense of security for the ordinary citizen that the policy based from the "zero problems with neighbours" formulation seemed to epitomise.

This is now firmly in the garbage heap.

What remains is the gamble is that Erdogan can maintain enough of a popular mandate to consolidate the powers he needs in order to crush any potential challenges or uprisings, while keeping the economy going.

The gamble seems based on a number of premises:-

For the economy:
- that enough long term deals have been signed with major trading partners in the 'no problems' era, particularly with Russia & China, that they will accept the new formulation without a major change in relations;
- that Turkey's position as a stable trade corridor developed in the 'no problems' era is strong enough that the other powers & their attendant businesses will continue to maintain & look to grow their investments into Turkish trade infrastructure, and continue to patronise Turkish businesses in doing so.
- that enough diplomatic capital has been gained that they can still position themselves as an arbitrator & voice in Middle Eastern & Central Asian to maintain & expand Turkey's interest;
- that Iran needs them too much for it to effect trade;
- that enough Gulf & Western capital will be forthcoming that they can paper over cracks, and utilise it to make up for lost business in Syria, tourism & trade losses, etc.
- that this influx of capital will be productive in the wider economy, & that the Turkish economy will be strong enough that this will not effectively result in overbearing debt, foreign capture of business assets, etc.
- that unemployment & inflation will not rise dramatically for an extended period of time.

This gamble seems to completely discount the major reasons for Turkish growth over the last decade - stability, & a relatively transparent investment framework removed from political overtones - which look to be headed for extinction.
It also completely overlooks the large-scale growth in other trade route infrastructure happening in Iran, Pakistan, & across Central Asia, as well as the strong interest in the opening of Egyptian trade routes to Chinese development. If Turkey is no longer a bastion of stability, it's advantages dissappear, with political alliances & long-term interests coming much more into play.

The security gamble is even more extreme:
- that the military will be cowed & simply forced by circumstances into enforcing Erdogan's dictates;
- that the massive influx of Salafi extremists into Turkish staging areas will continue to go across the border, & not become a major security threat to the Turkish people;
- that their ideology & methods will not spread to local groups;
- that the open support, funding & training of seperatists & extremists by the Turkish state will not rebound as others take up the same methods against Turkey.


The closest to Erdogan's current position in recent history is Saddam Hussein just prior to the invasion of Iran - a very successful, rising economy, & an extremely ambitious political leader with a broad popular mandate, looking to capitalize on a chaotic situation in a neighboring country with the help of the exact same foreign powers currently backing Erdogan.

Hussein opened with a full-scale military invasion funded mostly by outside sources, eventually leading to Iraq, Hussein & his inner circle ultimately being destroyed in the same manner.

Erdogan has started with the open use of subversion, seperatism, proxy forces, & limited direct military support, and there is a good chance that this ends in a similar fashion for both Turkey & Erdogan.

Posted by: KenM | Oct 4 2012 18:59 utc | 19

@19 Awesome post! Sums up quite a lot!

Posted by: Kalimbour | Oct 4 2012 19:10 utc | 20

@19 @20 I agree
let me add this remarkably complete New York Times article from April this year into the mix
Turkey Feels Sway of Reclusive Cleric in the U.S

"Mr. Gulen lives in self-imposed exile on a 25-acre haven in the mountains of eastern Pennsylvania. In 1999, he fled Turkey amid accusations of plotting to overthrow the secular government. Around that time, a taped sermon emerged in the media in which Mr. Gulen was heard advising his followers to “move within the arteries of the system, without anyone noticing your existence, until you reach all the power centers.”

He has said his words were manipulated, and he was acquitted of all charges in 2008.

Mr. Gulen, who has preached openly against fundamentalism and terrorism, was embraced in Washington after Sept. 11, 2001, as a welcome face of moderate Islam, analysts say. His green card application shows that his request to remain in the United States was endorsed by a former official of the Central Intelligence Agency. His movement’s events have been attended by luminaries like former Secretary of State Madeleine K. Albright and Kofi Annan, the former United Nations secretary general.

A 2009 cable by the United States ambassador to Turkey at the time, James F. Jeffrey, made public by WikiLeaks, noted that the Gulen movement was strong within the police force and in conflict with the military. It said that the assertion that the Turkish national police is controlled by Gulenists “is impossible to confirm, but we have found no one who disputes it.”

The cable goes on to say that the Gulen-controlled media are supporting the investigation into Ergenekon and have helped put many opponents of the governing Justice and Development Party behind bars.

But the interests of the movement and the government appear increasingly to be diverging, as prosecutions of opponents widen.

In February a prosecutor asked the leader of the National Intelligence Agency, Hakan Fidan, a close ally of Mr. Erdogan, to testify in a court case widely backed by Gulen supporters over secret links between the agency and the P.K.K., a Kurdish group that Turkey, the United States and the European Union classify as a terrorist organization. The government moved swiftly to block the questioning, and the prosecutor was removed from the case.

It was not the first case in which tensions with the government have surfaced, or the first case of allegations with murky origins.

In September 2010, Hanefi Avci, a former police chief and Gulen sympathizer, was arrested and accused of being part of the Ergenekon plot after publishing a book alleging that a network of Gulenists in the police was manipulating judicial processes.

In another case, in 2009, three noncommissioned officers confessed to planting forged documents implicating the commander of their air force base in the central city of Kayseri, according to Serkan Gunel, a lawyer familiar with the case. One of the documents asked army personnel to assist an officer jailed on charges of plotting to overthrow the government.

The officers told investigators they had planted the forged documents at the request of their Gulenist mentor. Soon afterward, articles appeared in the Gulen-affiliated media saying that their confessions had been extracted with the use of hypnosis. The military prosecutor who carried out the investigation, Col. Ahmet Zeki Ucok, was accused of cavorting with Russian prostitutes as part of a smear campaign, the lawyer said.

The officers recanted their confessions and were restored to their posts. A forensic medical report, obtained 18 months after the officers were interviewed, said they could have been hypnotized. Colonel Ucok was convicted April 17 on charges of torture related to his questioning of the officers and sentenced to seven and a half years in prison. "

Posted by: somebody | Oct 4 2012 20:21 utc | 21

This is a false flag operation. Syria is far too entangled in other disputes to create a war, with first strikes using mortars, against NATO via Turkey. Ryan Dawson does a good breakdown here:

H/T: Common Dreams

Posted by: Cynthia | Oct 4 2012 20:51 utc | 22

Here's a functioning link for comment#22:

Posted by: Cynthia | Oct 4 2012 21:02 utc | 23

Mortars are low-level infantry indirect-fire weapons, and mistakes are sometimes made in setting azimuth and elevation.

Posted by: Don Bacon | Oct 4 2012 21:38 utc | 24

wonder why the salafist jihadis havent been active in Jordan?

Posted by: brian | Oct 4 2012 21:45 utc | 25

Jordan (and Morocco) has been invited to join the Gulf Cooperation Council (GCC) but Saudi Arabia is dragging its feet on making a final decision. During a GCC summit in December 2011, Saudi Arabia, the United Arab Emirates, Kuwait and Qatar decided to extend $5 billion (JD3.5 billion) to Jordan over a five-year period to support development projects in Jordan, with each paying $1.25 billion.

Posted by: Don Bacon | Oct 4 2012 22:13 utc | 26

I'm sure it's completely unrelated, but petrol prices just went up $0.30/gal overnight. It's been $4.07/gal for a couple weeks, and this morning, was $4.39/gal.

Posted by: Dr. Wellington Yueh | Oct 4 2012 22:15 utc | 27

At the moment as I write this, the Syrian government has neither confirmed nor denied that that shells that landed in Akçakale in Turkey were fired by the Syrian army. Yesterday evening the Syrian minister for information announced that an investigation was underway (he also expressed condolences to the families of the victims). A failure to publish a conclusion to the investigation by this point probably indicates that the investigators feel they can't reach conclusions with certainty.

Posted by: Parviziyi | Oct 4 2012 22:39 utc | 28

We may have to send the FBI over in a month or so. /s

Posted by: Don Bacon | Oct 4 2012 23:17 utc | 29

Erdogan said the shelling was the eighth attack of its kind from Syria, but that the previous incidents had only caused material damage and Damascus had ignored Ankara's warnings on the issue.

Posted by: Don Bacon | Oct 4 2012 23:43 utc | 30

Somebody should ask Erdogan how he knows who is responsible.

Posted by: dh | Oct 5 2012 0:18 utc | 31

The UN Security Council, in a rare agreement on Syria, condemned the Syrian mortar attack on a Turkish town that killed five civilians. The agreement came on Thursday after two days of negotiations on an initial text rejected by Russia. Diplomats involved in the negotiations said the agreement was reached on text that was a compromise between a draft supported by Western powers and a diluted version Russia circulated to the 15-nation council on Thursday.

"The members of the Security Council underscored that this incident highlighted the grave impact the crisis in Syria has on the security of its neighbors and on regional peace and stability," the 15-nation council said in the final version of its non-binding statement.

A little-noticed addendum: Notice was taken that only NATO countries have the franchise to bombard and kill people in other countries, and in much greater numbers. Five civilians? That's a slow day for NATO.

Posted by: Don Bacon | Oct 5 2012 2:27 utc | 32

Syrian military defectors defect from rebels

Posted by: nik | Oct 5 2012 2:53 utc | 33

This article
that appeared in the New York Times by Michael Doran from Brookings and Max Boot from the Council on Foreign Relations and who is an advisor to Mitt Romney sets out the playbook for a Turkish invasion into Syria.

"The focus should be on Aleppo, Syria’s second largest city and commercial hub. The F.S.A. already controls much of the territory between the city and the Turkish border, only 40 miles away. With American support, Turkish troops could easily establish a corridor for humanitarian aid and military supplies. Defeating the government’s forces in Aleppo would deal a serious blow to Mr. Assad and send a powerful signal to fence-sitters that the regime was dying.

Damascus, the capital, should be the second target. But unlike Aleppo, it can’t be easily reached from a Turkish base. It could, however, be supplied from Dara’a, which is 70 miles from Damascus and less than five from the Jordanian border. It has been at the forefront of opposition to Mr. Assad. Working with Jordan, the United States could create a second corridor to Dara’a, which could serve as the southern base for the insurgency. On Wednesday, by bombing a military complex, the rebels demonstrated their ability to strike in the heart of Damascus — though they have not yet been able to do so on a sustained basis."

Posted by: bangkok observer | Oct 5 2012 3:29 utc | 34

why didn't the UN Security Council denounce the suicide bombers that killed 34?

Posted by: Susan | Oct 5 2012 3:47 utc | 35

The United Nations Charter only allows the UN to be involved in international matters, and has been perverted to fit US foreign policy.

Posted by: Don Bacon | Oct 5 2012 3:52 utc | 36

Perhaps Messrs Dolan and Boot, advocating a Turkish invasion of Syria, are unaware of the fact that Turkey's burgeoning economy is highly dependent upon its consumption of natural gas, about a trillion and a half cubic feet of gas annually, most of which arrives in Turkey via the Blue Stream pipeline courtesy of Gazprom, located in Russia, a staunch ally of Syria. Iran also provides gas to Turkey, and Turkey provides electricity to Syria.

So it seems that Dolan and Boot are mostly interested in advancing the US policy of destabilizing, killing and impoverishing the people living in that vast swath of the earth lying between India and the Med.

Posted by: Don Bacon | Oct 5 2012 4:12 utc | 37

Make it Doran not Dolan.

Posted by: Don Bacon | Oct 5 2012 4:29 utc | 38

The King of Jordan has just dissolved parliament and called snap elections so I doubt that Jordan would be helpful regarding the new CFR war plan. Max Boot strikes out again. Poor Max.

AMMAN: Jordan’s King Abdullah II dissolved parliament and called early elections on Thursday, the royal palace announced on the eve of a major opposition rally to demand reforms. “The king has decided to dissolve the chamber of deputies from this Thursday and to call early elections,” a statement said. It gave no date, but the monarch has said he wants polls to be held by the end of 2012.

Posted by: Don Bacon | Oct 5 2012 4:40 utc | 39

Susan : GOOD QUESTION. And what about the other suicide attacks, all with high civilian death tolls. And what about HOULA?

It's been one death squad atrocity after another frankly.

I think they think that since the false-flag stuff in Iraq(Samarra mosque bombing etc) went so smoothly, it's a winning strategy, sausage-making details irrelevant. Whatever it takes to break these "inexplicably proud" societies.

Posted by: L Bean | Oct 5 2012 4:46 utc | 40

@L Bean
Why is it a good question? Should the UN be denouncing all internal terrorist attacks everywhere, without authority? What would that accomplish? The United Nations Charter only allows the UN to be involved in international matters.

Posted by: Don Bacon | Oct 5 2012 4:53 utc | 41

Don Bacon : What? The UN has been mouthing off about Syria's internal terrorist attacks for the past year! They've dialed it down recently, perhaps partly because it has all become too obvious who is - and was - to blame.

When in recent history has the UN NOT picked-and-chosen their targets of beration according to who FUKUS has in their sights? Has it EVER been for "international matters"? Maybe international BANKING matters.

Maybe we are misunderstanding each other.

Posted by: L Bean | Oct 5 2012 5:14 utc | 42

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