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August 4, 2012
Syria: Just A Few Reads

Just a few reads on Syria:

The reporting from Aleppo by Scott Petersen in the CSM is ridiculous. He somehow wants to explain that the inhabitants of Aleppo has now joined the insurgency. But he doesn't mention or explains why 200,000 people fled from the area where the armed insurgents from the outside came in. Instead he feeds us this nonsense:

But the anti-regime blood, it turned out, beat as strongly here as anywhere else in Syria, at least among activists determined to bring change.

What does that mean? Activists who came into Aleppo are as much anti-regime as activists elsewhere?

McClatchy does, as usual, much better journalism. This piece recounts the known case in which the insurgency simply murdered everyone it didn't like:

Other suspects haven’t been so lucky, explained a rebel commander in Damascus who uses the nom de guerre Abu Abdullah.

“We have had a big problem here with informers,” he said. “If a man is accused of being an informer, he is judged by the military council. Then he is either executed or released. In general, about two out of three are executed.”

The Telegraph reports on another split within the insurgency. It seems that the Saudis are now exclusively financing the Jihadist in the FSA while Qatar has turned away from the FSA and is now financing new and different groups which are in line with the Muslim Brotherhood. This is the same split seen in the support of parties in Egypt. The Saudi Wahabbi support the Salafis while Qatar is promoting the Brotherhood.

Al Akhbar has a piece about changes on the Lebanese-Syrian border. The Syrian army is finally acting there and replacing the ineffective border guards with real soldiers. This should make infiltration from Lebanon much more difficult.

Comments

The strategic turn point for Syria is Turkey. As long the Turkish border remains as a safe heaven and a huge stream of weapons and forces comes from there the Syrian regime will bleed.
Lebanon and Iraq are controlled by allied governments and their borders can be controlled and infiltration contained. You see that on Homs not becoming the center of the war while supposedly being one of the main populations center which is (sunni) islamic and against the regime. Even with the smuggling out of the pro-US pro-Saudi factions in the North of Lebanon there isn’t enough of a flow to sustain a huge confrontation.
Jordan won’t even dare to become the base for the rebellion. That English-born puppet can barely be kept in power as it stands with more than half of the population not being recognized, Palestinians have almost no right there. And Israel and US wouldn’t want an army of Jihadis next to Israel border. Some for the Golan Heights border with Israel, which in any case is likely to be so mined that smuggling anything through there would be suicide.
So, how can be Turkey made to back down from this craziness that most sane people even think will end destroying modern Turkey?
Iran, Iraq and Russia aren’t using enough leverage, which they should have plenty given the strategic location and commercial flows of Turkey … or for some reason it’s not working.

Posted by: ThePaper | Aug 4 2012 17:22 utc | 1

ThePaper is dead wrong about Lebanon, which has been a major supplier since the beginning. While it’s true that there is a government in Lebanon, it’s effective jurisdiction in many sectarian areas is secondary to that of the sect, some of whom are allied with Assad, others with the rebels.
As for Scott Petersen, it would be interesting to hear him report from the Christian, Armenian, and Alawi neighborhoods. So far, most of the fighting seems to be taking place in the outlying eastern and southern suburbs, where the poor, Sunni, immigrants from the countryside live, victims of globalization and liberalization of agricultural markets.

Posted by: JohnH | Aug 4 2012 17:32 utc | 2

Regarding the recent anti-Syria USGA resolution drafted by Saudi Arabia — Iraq, Jordan and Turkey voted for the resolution. Lebanon abstained. Russia, China, Iran and Syria were among those voting against the resolution. The vote was 133 in favour to 12 against, with 31 abstentions.

Posted by: Don Bacon | Aug 4 2012 18:27 utc | 3

– Maya Naser, filed a report for PressTV from Aleppo. Good short video on what its like on the ground there. Also talks to a Syrian military commander and another soldier.
Source: Youtube
– Turkey’s Today Zaman reports that Kurdish PKK fighters are planning large scale attacks in Southern Turkey and have been moving fighters dressed as civilians up into urban areas. Maybe Turkey can complain to Iraq about terrorists crossing over the border?

Posted by: Colm O’ Toole | Aug 4 2012 18:39 utc | 4

I wonder if the UN, which has an aversion to heavy weapons usage in Syria, knows (or cares) about this:
Turkey’s army is using heavy weapons and helicopter gunships in a fight against members of the Kurdistan Workers’ Party, or PKK, that’s continuing for a 10th day in a southeastern town, Radikal newspaper reported. The fighting has forced 60 families to flee their homes in the area around Semdinli, the Istanbul-based newspaper said today in a report from the region.

Posted by: Don Bacon | Aug 4 2012 18:55 utc | 5

@#5- Turkey is Nato, need one say more?

Posted by: Kevin | Aug 4 2012 19:35 utc | 6

From the NYT, evidence (not really needed) that the hubris is reaching dangerous levels. (This patient has a temperature of 105.)
#1.”State Department and Pentagon Plan for Post-Assad Syria
By STEVEN LEE MYERS and THOM SHANKER 12:02 PM ET
The agencies have created cells to look at potential problems in the wake of President Bashar al-Assad’s fall, hoping to avert the types of mistakes made after the invasion of Iraq.”
#2 Obama talking quietly and carrying a big baseball bat on the phone to Erdogan. Here is a guy desperately trying to protect the image of a Mafia godfather to an electorate who, he imagines, worship bullies.

Posted by: bevin | Aug 4 2012 21:06 utc | 7

It’s like Academy Awards time. Let’s open the envelope.
Ambassador Ford is in Cairo conducting the effort to promote Syrian democracy — strike that — form a new US-friendly Syria government. Haytham al-Maleh has been chosen as the new Syria maximum leader. Unfortunately SNC is refusing to participate in Haytham al-Maleh’s conference in Cairo. Al-Maleh said, “I have been tasked with leading a transitional government,” Maleh said, adding that he will begin consultations “with the opposition inside and outside” the country. Maleh, a conservative Muslim, said he was named by a Syrian coalition of “independents with no political affiliation”. Sure.
Abdelbasset Seida, the leader of the Syrian National Council, said: “If each group came out alone announcing the formation of a new government without talks, this would end up in having a series of weak governments that don’t represent anyone.” Asaad, the putative commander of the Free Syrian Army called the new coalition “opportunists” seeking to benefit from the rebels’ gains.

Posted by: Don Bacon | Aug 4 2012 21:15 utc | 8

I noticed a strange headline today: “UN General Assembly Condemns Security Council”, so I Googled it and got hundreds of hits. Is there a precedent for this sort of thing? To me this is truly astonishing.
I wonder if the General Assembly will follow it up by condemning the Security Council for its failure to enforce the scores of ratified resolutions set at nought by Israel (with a little help from it’s friend)?

Posted by: buncombe | Aug 4 2012 21:40 utc | 9

Interesting breaking news – Saudi king invites Iran’s president Ahmednejad for an emergency meeting of the Organisation of Islamic Conference (OIC):
http://www.uskowioniran.com/2012/08/ahmadinejad-invited-to-oic-summit-in.html?m=1
Whats happened – are we close to a back channel deal to resolving this?

Posted by: Irshad | Aug 4 2012 21:42 utc | 10

Turkey, Qatar and Iran agree to support/deal with the Muslim Brotherhood, Saudi Arabia supports Jihadists, US ?
So the Syrian regime will strike a deal with the Muslim Brotherhood, I guess.

Posted by: somebody | Aug 4 2012 22:16 utc | 11

are we close to a back channel deal to resolving this?
wouldn’t that be a miracle. crossing my fingers.
btw, super congrats on the nyt lede story b. bout time!

Posted by: annie | Aug 4 2012 23:39 utc | 12

‘US, Saudis waging proxy war in Syria’
Posted on August 4, 2012 by willyloman
An excellent discussion on Press TV on the subject of the US/British destabilization campaign in Syria. One thing I would like to add though, at the end of the discussion, the panelists claim that the US is incapable of providing security in these countries after their initial destabilization campaign (regime change) takes place. That’s not entirely true. They are capable of providing security, they just don’t want to. The chaos that always follows these destabilization efforts is part of the process that’s why you see it over and over again (that is, when the press reports on it which is extremely rare). Death squads are important. They clean the remaining society of dissidents and people who speak out against the puppet regimes that we put in place. The death squads take out potential political advisories to our favored politicians in local, regional, and national politics. We ran the death squads in Iran called SAVOK and we ran them in Indonesia under Suharto. The CIA has literally been in the business of running death squads for over half a century and probably even longer. The lie that the US is interested in creating “stability” in these countries has been exposed time and time again by the CIA’s own documentation. They don’t want stability, they want chaos and fear because in that they find the easiest means by which to impose their corporatist will on the general population.
http://willyloman.wordpress.com/2012/08/04/us-saudis-waging-proxy-war-in-syria/

Posted by: brian | Aug 5 2012 1:24 utc | 13

@ Irshad
Never expect anything from the Saudi Monarchy and you’ll never be disappointed. I searched for info about the meeting of the Organisation of Islamic Cooperation (It changed its name “Conferance” to “Cooperation” in 2011) and found that the emergency meeting is on Myanmar (which has been killing the minority Muslim population). All 57 members have been invited and since it is held in Mecca this year it would be standard protocol to Iran.
An interesting note is that Iran was the member state that requested Myanmar be given Emergency Meeting. From July 23rd:

An Iranian lawmaker has condemned the mass killing of the members of the Muslim minority in Myanmar and called for an emergency meeting of the Organization of Islamic Cooperation (OIC) on the violence in the Southeast Asian country. “The Islamic countries constantly consider the Islamic Republic of Iran as a defender of the oppressed people, therefore, (Iran’s) Foreign Ministry” should take measures to help put an end to the mass murder of the Muslims in Myanmar, he went on to say.

Source: PressTV
Seems like Iran was touting itself as a defender of oppressed Muslims. Likely Saudi Arabia, which considers itself the leader of the Muslim world, felt forced to table the meeting instead of being upstaged by Iran. But it seems to be just diplomatic protocol by Saudi Arabia as host nation. They went through the Iranian ambassador to Riyadh.

The Iranian ambassador to Riyadh said that Saudi Arabia has invited President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad to an emergency meeting of Muslim leaders in Mecca, Mehr News reported. Mohammad Javad Rasouli Mahallati said that it is not clear whether President Ahmadinejad would participate in the summit or not. Saudi Arabian King Abdullah called for the Organization of Islamic Cooperation summit in Mecca to be held on August 14-15.

Source: TrendAZ
Interesting that Ahmadinejad may not be attending. Maybe he does not feel safe visiting Riyadh. Or maybe Ayatollah Khamenei is keeping him on a short leash (several of Ahmadinejad’s associates were executed last week over a bank fraud scandel) Khamenei seems to be pushing Larenjani to unseat him.

Posted by: Colm O’ Toole | Aug 5 2012 1:25 utc | 14

Interesting that Ahmadinejad may not be attending. Maybe he does not feel safe visiting Riyadh. Or maybe Ayatollah Khamenei is keeping him on a short leash (several of Ahmadinejad’s associates were executed last week over a bank fraud scandel) Khamenei seems to be pushing Larenjani to unseat him.
Posted by: Colm O’ Toole | Aug 4, 2012 9:25:11 PM | 14
hm….now if a few western banking execs were executed thatd help the banks to behave

Posted by: brian | Aug 5 2012 2:48 utc | 15

@buncombe And alienate Micronesia? Never! Congrats B if anybody deserves a bit of recognition its you.

Posted by: demize! | Aug 5 2012 4:31 utc | 16

terrorists operational meaning of ‘shabiha’
Oksana Boyko ‏@OksanaBoyko_RT
Syrian TV host Muhammed al-Saeed kidnapped by militants mid July found dead. His killers said he was “shabih” so no need for trial #Syria

Posted by: brian | Aug 5 2012 5:29 utc | 17

Talking of rivalry among the various factions of “opposition”, I think this might be one card the Syrian gov’t might play. It appears as if the rebel militia are not completely organised and getting in each other’s ways and I’d expect them to fight over their loot. A well-organised united army and intelligence maybe has an advantage in playing the factions against each other, spreading rumors or otherwise.
I’m not exactly sure whether giving the kurdish parties control over the n/e cities was done on purpose and how desperate a measure that was, but it seems a clever move to me.

Posted by: peter radiator | Aug 5 2012 7:43 utc | 18

@buncombe #9
What I read is that all but 60 nations are firmly lined up behind the US on this. 133 out of 193 voted to condemn Russia and China for vetoing SC resolutions.
this does not look good for Syria by any means. I did not look thru the list of abstentions but there I am sure you will find countries that do not favor FUKUS intervention in Syria nor do they think the matter is worth voting against and incurring the wrath of the “capo dei capi”
I still don’t get the Saudi position in this matter. What do they expect to gain? How does this benefit them in any way? are they merely doing this to stay out of trouble with the US?

Posted by: dan of steele | Aug 5 2012 8:55 utc | 19

The Saudi interest is to fight back Iran influence in the region.

Posted by: ThePaper | Aug 5 2012 9:08 utc | 20

@dan of steele, #19:
Perhaps they want to extend their strategic basis in case of mass riots in the east of Saudi Arabia. There have been USraeli strategic plans for splitting the country between the oil-rich eastern provinces and the rest. Extending Wahhabism, gaining regional dominance, preparing for conflicts with the US in times with less oil might also be worth a second thought.

Posted by: m_s | Aug 5 2012 11:57 utc | 21

guess who does not tolerate dissent?
Lt. Muqawami @SyrianHarbinger
girl on left wrote on her T-Shirt: “your revolution is like my —>” she was kidnapped for 7 months and now “executed” pic.twitter.com/8fY9exXR
thats right,…the ‘dissidents’!

Posted by: brian | Aug 5 2012 12:36 utc | 22

thanks to ThePaper and m_s,
I guess I never thought of them in that way. I always figured they were totally subservient to the US because they all get to be princes and live the life just so long as they pay their protection money.
this seems to be inviting trouble from a lot of different places. once they start whacking people in other countries, the royals’ lives will change. they will all become targets in the bars and casinos in Monte Carlo and London…in other words they will have to live like Israelis do with max security everywhere.
also, I seem to remember the US would ship bad guys to Syria for questioning which might infer that there is/was a pretty effective intelligence service there. I wonder why that was so quickly forgotten. just what did Assad do to piss off the US regime?

Posted by: dan of steele | Aug 5 2012 12:46 utc | 23

Syria; Protest in Support of Bashar Al Assad – Sydney 5/08/2012
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MG_d05A0jkY

Posted by: brian | Aug 5 2012 13:06 utc | 24

Palestinian Factions Condemn Attempts at Exploiting Refugee Camps against the Situation in Syria
Aug 4, 2012
The Palestinian National Alliance factions stressed that the Palestinian people will remain faithful to Syria who has embraced this people and its resistance and supported its national struggle.
The factions issued a press statement commenting on the crime which armed terrorist groups perpetrated in al-Yarmuk Camp and claimed the lives of a number of martyrs and the statements aimed at distorting the reality of this crime.
The statement said that there are conspiring parties that insist on taking the camps out of the context of their message and national goals, the most important of which is the right to return.
It added that the factions have since the beginning of the crisis in Syria made all their efforts to keep the Palestinian refugee camps away from suspicious political exploiting by parties hostile to Syria, stressing that the massacre was the result of mortar shells fired by armed terrorist groups from the neighboring al-Tadamun neighborhood.
The factions condemned the statements of “the authority in Ramallah” which included “false accusations” against the Popular Front for the Liberation of Palestine-General Command- and its general secretary, Ahmad Jibril.
The accusations, the statement explained, claimed that the Front seeks to get the Palestinian camps involved in the internal situation in Syria, “at a time when the Front has made all its effort to protect the camps and prevent them from being exploited outside their goals, on top being the right to return.”
The factions said in its statement that those who abandon 78 percent of Palestine’s land, dropp the right to return, practice oppression against the resistance fighters in Palestine in coordination with the Zionist enemy, stand still towards the judaization of Jerusalem and call for putting the situation in Syria under Chapter VII “are not in a position that allows them to trespass against the symbols of resistance or claim to care for the people in Syrian and other camps.”
The statement reiterated the factions’ stress that the Palestinian people are looking forward for Syria to get out of its crisis stronger and more firm in the face of the conspiracy targeting its unity and national and pan-Arab stance.
http://sana.sy/eng/21/2012/08/04/434794.htm

Posted by: brian | Aug 5 2012 13:27 utc | 25

brian @13: That’s it in a nutshell! Thanks for that link. This thing can go on for years.

Posted by: ben | Aug 5 2012 13:50 utc | 26

@ben # 26

This thing can go on for years.

I doubt it, this is a battle between the desert religions (Islam, Christians and Judaism) where the Orthodox and Shia have allied vs Violent Islam and Zionist. I expect some major changes to take place in the Vatican which so far has kept quite, no support. I wonder what the Zionist have over the Vatican. There are lot’s of discontent by the parishioners, I was recently in a pray group where I saw first hand this discontent. I was very surprised that the Greek, Armenians, Serbians and other Slav states voted for or abstained at the UNGA, after all Syria is the pinnacle of Christian Orthodoxy. Ah well Zionist Private ATM the FED probably bribed them.

Posted by: hans | Aug 5 2012 14:08 utc | 27

“I wonder why that was so quickly forgotten. just what did Assad do to piss off the US regime?”
He did nothing, one not need to do anything to piss off US regime. It is realpolitik, when the regional hegemon(s) start to feel the earth under them is shaking he/she is making alliance, whether in desperation or not. Some of them are “unnatural”, but that is politics. It all depends where in food chain you are at. In one decade two event shaped the world, collapse of SU and 9/11, and that’s how Syrian’s regime moves should be “judged”.
One shouldn’t feel sorry if the Damascus (neoliberal) regime fell, in the end he has created all this mayhem. He fails on number of policy accounts. The problem is external assistance to “opposition” and inevitable involvement of those reactionary regimes from region and in particular from the West, i.e. noting good will come with them. Everybody is having “after Bassar” plan. The biggest looser, in any calculation and by far, is th Syrian people.

The Arabs were well aware of the serious effects of the collapse of the Soviet Union on them, which prompted Saddam Hussein in 1989 to declare that “the end of the Cold War was a disaster for the Arabs”.Those changes at the international level made al-Assad concerned about Syria, and convinced him that the Americans would dominate the world stage for the upcoming decade,encouraging him to improve his relations with them and not to confront them in the Middle East. That was the reason why he joined the international coalition to liberate Kuwait in 1991. Syria was hoping that its attitude would contribute to its establishment as a partner of the United States in the Middle East, and its removal from the American blacklist, which would allow it to gain economic aid, and facilitate the transfer of U.S. technology to it. Syria received two billion dollars from Saudi Arabia and established a kind of alliance with Egypt and the Gulf States G.C.C. (Declaration of Damascus).

Posted by: neretva’43 | Aug 5 2012 14:14 utc | 28

Just what did Syria do to piss off the US regime?
They are allied with Iran, that’s more than enough.

Posted by: Alexander | Aug 5 2012 14:49 utc | 29

Turkey natural gas imports
imports = 38 Bcm (2010)
(Bcm = billion cubic meters)
Iran 20%
Russia 46%
Azer 12%
http://www.energydelta.org/mainmenu/edi-intelligence-2/our-services/country-gas-profiles/country-gas-profile-turkey

Posted by: Don Bacon | Aug 5 2012 14:52 utc | 30

Just read War In Context’s post attacking B and Moon of Alabama commenters over the Reuters hack. Calling the comment thread a group of people:

who reject the “mainstream media narrative” (neo-imperial, neo-liberal agenda, or whatever you want to call it) and will gobble up any piece of information, however far-fetched, if it appears to “expose” Western lies.

Naturally this coming from a guy who took one of the best post-9/11 analysis sites and turned it into a link factory for Al Jazeera/The Guardian Syria articles shows just how far off the reservation he has gone. For someone like Paul Woodward (who thinks the US is only interested in Syria because of Democracy and Human Rights) to call people here gullible is probably a compliment.

Posted by: Colm O’ Toole | Aug 5 2012 15:01 utc | 31

Most MoA-readers would love for the main-stream media to change direction and get a clue, that’s why we got duped for a while there. And considering the recent developments, the deface wasn’t really that far fetched. From what I can gather, I would consider the War-In-Context-thing a complement.

Posted by: Alexander | Aug 5 2012 15:15 utc | 32

In my post I wrote: “To their credit, many of Moon of Alabama’s commenters were quick to suspect that Reuters had been hacked” — Colm O’Toole happened not to be one of those commenters.
Colm refers to me as someone “who thinks the US is only interested in Syria because of Democracy and Human Rights”. Neither he nor anyone else would be able substantiate that baseless claim by pointing to anything I have written.
Those who do take the trouble to read what I’ve written will know that my response to the Syrian revolution has not been based on an assessment of the intentions or interests of any foreign power, including the United States.
That those powers are not being guided by the interests of the Syrian people is a given. However, to regard events inside Syria as being primarily the result of foreign machinations is to egregiously underestimate the effect of five decades of autocratic rule.

Posted by: Paul Woodward | Aug 5 2012 17:36 utc | 33

If anything, the Reuters hack proved one thing, that the public are really easily swayed by single media announcements, and the Pentagon have been playing that effect to jackpot on the Syria case.

Posted by: Alexander | Aug 5 2012 17:59 utc | 34

Paul Woodward has yet to see a war he doesn’t find good reasons for to support it.
Look at his coverage of Libya – pure imperialist bullshit.

Posted by: b | Aug 5 2012 18:51 utc | 35

Strong states – states that endure, are not wracked by instability, from urban riots to civil war – hold together in part by axial ideologies, a shared view of the world in the shape of religions and philosophies. These may deal with the supernatural (e.g. Islam, Catholicism), or less so (.. Buddhism) or not (.. Stoicism) or be more politically oriented (.. Fascism). I’d add free market-ism to a possible list.
In the Arab Spring we see disturbance and breakdown that clearly evidence ideological clashes, and explains the emphasis on Islam, as monotheistic religions are the social glue that has worked for thousands of years. Allah Akbar!
Colonialism, de-colonisation post ww2, then neo-colonialism (finance, globalization, intl. corporations, resource extraction, Aid, etc.) introduced new ideologies that ‘took’ somewhat haphazardly – or were adopted confusedly or even hypocritically: secularism, ‘democracy’, nationalism,- free market-ism…- egalitarianism, some forms of State W socialism / communism.
Syria is emblematic of this mix, taking into account that the basic structure was, 2010, very traditional – a tribal ruling class that leaves the upper merchant class free to do biz. in a collaborative scheme. (Not that that doesn’t exist in other forms in the W, or that such a brief description does justice to Syria..)
The previous Syria with Bashar as Ruler cannot be resuscitated. Impossible.
>… More prosaically, how would the inhabitants of Croydon or Blackpool feel if Cameron shelled them?
In the Arab Spring so far an emphasis on removing heads of state and a small part of the ruling core – family and close key figures – has been point no 1 on the agenda. That is a visible, consensual aim, from in- and outside.
Extra aims mostly concern the setting up ‘representative, democratic‘ Gvmt, which hides many a sin and power struggle, ideally frames and de-fangs them, that’s part of the ostensive, strident appeal – and corresponds to the W model which the W champions on a case-by-case basis in function of its own interests.
The outcomes of protests and rebellions have gone from total black-out (KSA) to speedy extinguishment (Iran) to continuing repression (Bahrein) to no consequent change (Yemen), to massive ongoing shakeups (Lybia) with Tunisia and Egypt somewhere in between, with others, such as Algeria, having their rebellion repressed in the past.
Considering humanitarian and neo-colonialist war as part of the grand geo-pol landscape we note similar. The USuk actions such as getting rid of the ‘dictator’ and establishing ‘democracy’ were unable to re-mold Iraq, and left Afghanistan a so-called Failed State. Considering all these events together shows that the line between internal dissidents / rebels and ‘foreign’ intervention is hard to draw, as aims are, for some, in some measure, shared, through ideological adoption or roots, self-interest, amongst other motives….

Posted by: Noirette | Aug 5 2012 18:59 utc | 36

heh that was cultural studies 101.. still, relevant, imho.

Posted by: Noirette | Aug 5 2012 19:01 utc | 37

However, to regard events inside Syria as being primarily the result of foreign machinations is to egregiously underestimate the effect of five decades of autocratic rule.

That one sentence highlights, better than I ever could, that you have no understanding of Post-Ottoman history in Syria and also see everything through the lens of Autocratic or Democratic. “Foreign Machinations” as you call it have been vital to Syria from the beginning. The French Mandate 1920-1946. In May 1947 the Americans took over as documented in Adam Curtis The Baby and the Baath Water and directly led to Hafiz Assad assuming power to counter American attempts at influence. This meddling by foreign powers was precisely why Hafiz Assad was autocratic. They needed a strong state appartus to defend themselves. BBC’s Adam Curtis refers to the Baath Party as “feverishly paranoid” about Americas tampering.
It defies all logic that when newspaper after newspaper refers to Syria as a PROXY war between The Resistance Axis and NATO you could sit here and write that I’m overplaying the role “foreign machinations” play in Syria. But again if all you read is the Qatari Monarchies News Channel it is not suprising that your views would be tilted. Just don’t call out commenters here as part of the “idiot left” as I think you termed it back during the Libya crisis (when of course you were cheering those NATO bombs dropping).

Posted by: Colm O’ Toole | Aug 5 2012 19:13 utc | 38

However, to regard events inside Syria as being primarily the result of foreign machinations is to egregiously underestimate the effect of five decades of autocratic rule.
Posted by: Paul Woodward | Aug 5, 2012 1:36:19 PM | 33
funny thing is that after 5 decades of ‘autocratic rule’ instead of seeing the people rally in their millions for the FSA…we see this:
Millions with Bashar al Assad in the Umayyad Square 11-01-2012 …
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qekLdqs115Q
Woodward is just another face of the realm autocracy which refuses to allow a foreign nation self rule

Posted by: brian | Aug 5 2012 22:44 utc | 39

Colm — I know you’d never want to inhibit one of your little rants by being constrained by truthfulness, but for anyone to read what you write and conclude that it makes sense, would depend on them not looking at my site and seeing whether your assertions match the evidence.
You write: “But again if all you read is the Qatari Monarchies News Channel it is not suprising [sic] that your views would be tilted.”
These are the sources I’ve cited in just the last few days: Beirut Daily Star, Foreign Policy, Al Jazeera, International Business Times, Associated Press, Counterpunch, 972mag.com, The Guardian, The Economist, BBC News, Jerusalem Post, Reuters, Moon of Alabama, New York Times, Haaretz, Wired, VOA, Time, Christian Science Monitor, Al-Monitor, TomDispatch, Huffington Post, Future of Freedom Foundation, London Weekend Television, SBS One, AFP, Energy Bulletin, Syria Comment, Daily Telegraph.
I do actually read the stuff I post — and a lot more besides. The idea that I rely solely on Al Jazeera is just an adolescent cheap shot from someone who prefers to snipe rather than construct a cogent argument and respond directly to criticism.
There is no publication or website that should be treated mindlessly as a reliable or unreliable source. Ghaith Abdul-Ahad does amazing reporting alongside plenty of undistinguished commentary and analysis — all on the pages of The Guardian.
There are however a few sources that can be relied on to produce pure propaganda — such as the state-run Syrian Arab News Agency. One commenter above cites SANA as though one could rely on Syrian state media to gauge how much opposition there is to the Assad regime among Palestinians. Sorry, but that’s plain dumb.
Colm, when you talk about the “strong state appartus [sic] [the Assad family has needed] to defend themselves”, you’re really presenting yourself as an Assad apologist of the most disgusting variety. Do you really think that anyone who waves an anti-imperialist flag then acquires the right to torture those who dare engage in political dissent? You’re probably way too young, but you’re sounding like someone who would have supported Stalin.
And Bernhard, you write: “Paul Woodward has yet to see a war he doesn’t find good reasons for to support it.
Look at his coverage of Libya – pure imperialist bullshit.”
I’ve been running War in Context for over a decade, in opposition to the war on terrorism, against the war in Afghanistan, against the war in Iraq, against the Israeli occupation of Palestine, and in support of people everywhere who have the courage to challenge authoritarian rule.
As Pham Binh at The North Star wrote recently: “Knee-jerk anti-imperialism leads to our enemies doing our thinking for us: whatever Uncle Sam wants, we oppose; whatever Uncle Sam opposes, we want.” It’s not a smart way of looking at the world.

Posted by: Paul Woodward | Aug 6 2012 0:00 utc | 40

Hey, without taking sides, this is some good blogging. Gettin’ it on.
And now maybe somebody will describe why Bashar al-Assad is and Omar Gaddafi was somehow worse than Saddam Hussein was, thus requiring destabilizing warfare promoted by the West “in context.” What is the context? Against torture (in some cases)? Like what the US and UK do? Oooops — I took a side.

Posted by: Don Bacon | Aug 6 2012 1:36 utc | 41

I’ve been running War in Context for over a decade, in opposition to the war on terrorism, against the war in Afghanistan, against the war in Iraq, against the Israeli occupation of Palestine, and in support of people everywhere who have the courage to challenge authoritarian rule.
As Pham Binh at The North Star wrote recently: “Knee-jerk anti-imperialism leads to our enemies doing our thinking for us: whatever Uncle Sam wants, we oppose; whatever Uncle Sam opposes, we want.” It’s not a smart way of looking at the world.
Posted by: Paul Woodward | Aug 5, 2012 8:00:16 PM | 40
the problem is not ‘authoritian rule’..that smacks of US state dept coplour revolutionary propagadna
the problem is the USrael imperialism now allied with islamic terrorism.
Pham Binh is clever and/or desperate..he wants us to support imperialism by doing so we will not be supporting it.
All current real world autocracies(sauds israel qatar jordan etc) are allies with US

Posted by: brian | Aug 6 2012 1:57 utc | 42

And now maybe somebody will describe why Bashar al-Assad is and Omar Gaddafi was somehow worse than Saddam Hussein was, thus requiring destabilizing warfare promoted by the West “in context.” What is the context? Against torture (in some cases)? Like what the US and UK do? Oooops — I took a side.
Posted by: Don Bacon | Aug 5, 2012 9:36:00 PM | 41
Gadafi wasnt and president isnt an autocrat like saddam…and even saddams govt was mixed unlike the sort the salafists would create…Gadafi had and Assad has the support of the mass of people..hence the USrael need to recruit foreign jihadis..to wage a contextualised war:one that with the FSA SEEMS rooted in syrian anti-autocracy….
No surprise the fraudulent mr ‘warincontext’ finds reasons to back USrael war on syria: the name of his blog says it all.

Posted by: brian | Aug 6 2012 2:02 utc | 43

@40, what nonsense! The pigeon doesn’t beat up the hawk.
meet http://www.freericardopalmera.org/ An actual revolutionary betrayed and disappeared into the US Penal system. I never heard of him until yesterday.

Posted by: ruralito | Aug 6 2012 3:33 utc | 44

US and turks draft in the MEK to fight in syria
Sources revealed that some members of the terrorist Mujahedin-e Khalq group (MEK, a.k.a. MKO and PMOI) are going to leave Iraq to join the anti-Assad terrorists through Syria’s northern borders.
“A number of U.S. and Turkish officers accompanied by several commanders of Kurdish Peshmerga forces had a meeting with some high ranking members of the terrorist Mujahedin-e Khalq Organization in Erbil, Iraq,” well-informed Iraqi security sources told the Arabic language Top News TV channel.
http://www.habilian.ir/en/News/report-mek-to-join-terrorists-in-aleppo.html

Posted by: brian | Aug 6 2012 7:37 utc | 45

sunni girl tells it like it is about the House Saud!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PaZPkY2qUrg

Posted by: brian | Aug 6 2012 8:03 utc | 46

Thank you brian @46, the battle for the desert religions is now coming into the open and will be in full force this Autumn. My only remorse it is happening in Syria. Iran thru it’s clerical establishment were too quick to support the “Arab Spring” or the so called “Islamic Awakening”, I suspect they now regret it. However Ahmadinejad was correct in his analysis but the SL overruled him. I suspect some major coup in the Vatican shortly and probably in Saudi Arabia. Spread that video I will definitely do.

Posted by: hans | Aug 6 2012 10:24 utc | 47

westerners who love democracy should start make it work at home before spreading it abroad

Posted by: claudio | Aug 6 2012 11:06 utc | 48

Syriaonline
6 minutes ago
A report made by an anonymous person about the dark side of Homs due to long months under the control of the “revolutionaries” that is still hidden.
Homs at the age of freedom!
Friday August 3, 2012
When I go back in my memory to the first stages of the militarization of the “revolutionary rebels” in my country, Syria, and remember the media campaigns calling Syrian army to withdraw from all tension areas, imaging to the world that Syrian army is the problem that causes this tension, I get aware how evil, otherwise stupid, those personalities who signed petitions to call Syrian army to withdraw from those areas, and promoted in media with a large amount of crocodile’s tears in “compassion with Syrian people.”
It’s true that Homs is waking up from a terror nightmare, but the terrible stories of this nightmare are being spread out as a bad smell of a dead body after it was in a closed metallic box. People of Homs started revealing the bloody terrific painful crimes they where subject to during the long months they passed under control of the “FSA – Free Syrian Army”, or as I like to call it: Faschist Salafi Army, especially during the existence of the AL observers, who came for “peace” and insisted as a first condition the withdrawal of the Syrian army. Stories are being told about torture, beheading, dragging by a car, cutting bodies that are all documented, by those “revolutionaries”, “Jihadists”, “Opposition fighters” or any other name you choose for them, doesn’t matter. They committed all their crimes under license from the “Mufti’s – Muslim clerks” who are calling for Jihad against “Alawis” in Syria and legalize, on TV channels, even some secular ones such as the Lebanese channel Al-Jadeed TV (New TV) (indicating the Sheikh Ahmad Al-Asseer who is still performing his sit-in in the middle of the main street in Saida with too much tolerance of the government), even legalizing abduction of Allawi women and using them as odalisques! This is other than thousands of Arabic-Gulf websites who are calling for the same Jihad against Alawis in Syria. A huge media pressure, dedicating long hours to talk about Syria, always taking the side of the “rebels”, is promoting them and raising the international compassion with those “poor revolutionaries” in a weird, but usual, harmony with the maestro Uncle Sam.
It’s known that the plan of the “Revolutionaries of Homs” was to displace Christians and exterminating Alawis by a genocide, matching the slogan that used to be chanted by demonstrations lead by themselves: “Alawis to the grave, Christians to Beirut”.
The main brigade of this revolution in Homs was “Al-Farouq Brigade” whose boss is Abdul Razzaq Tlass. This plan has indeed started in Homs by exterminating Alawis from Sunni quarters (quarters known as Sunni but included some Alawi inhabitants).
A woman made a report, without revealing names for privacy and safety, about one of the victims, a girl who was kidnapped, as hundreds of girls as says the report, and had been brutally tortured and raped by those Jihadists across more than 3 months, before Syrian army has liberated her and others who have been lucky to remain alive, or may be the others who slaughtered were luckier because they only suffered for few time, better than suffering all the life of the effects of this brutal torture.
That girl, of an Alawi family who lived in a Sunni quarter, was kidnapped by members of “Al-Farouq Brigade” and was imprisoned in some of their dens, was subject to torture and brutal rape. It’s true she has been freed and is now at home, but her family thinks her status is desperate; she hasn’t talked a word yet; she has a psychological and physical symptoms. Physically she has some bruises and wounds, rupture in vagina and anus, bleeding in womb. Psychologically: Whenever she hears a sudden knock at the door, she rushes to the nearest coin, take off her panties and starts kicking her head by the wall till her fronts bleeds, as if she wants to tell (since she is still unable to talk) how she was treated there!
I wish I didn’t read this report, and since I’ve already done, I wish it is mere imagination, or even exaggeration, but unfortunately, it seems to be true, due to the several matching stories. Many people of Homs, Christians and Alawis, who flee to Damascus, talked about similar stories. I don’t know if Human Rights organizations will be interested, or they don’t consider humans all have the same rights, depending on how much they are “good boys” to USA… who knows!
Thanks again for the “Friends of Syrian people” who want to bring the “Saudi democracy” to Syria!
Signature:
A Syrian human… a “bad boy” for Miss Clinton and Mr. Cameron… but a good man for Syria

Posted by: brian | Aug 6 2012 12:34 utc | 49

#41 Hey, without taking sides, this is some good blogging. Gettin’ it on.
I concur Don. Best blogging here for quite a while. I suspect b has barred all the obvious trolls and spoilers as many of the names who’s comments I considered constantly spurious have been conspicuously absent form the last several threads. If so thanks b.
I especially appreciate the addition of your comments Paul Woodward. Hope you continue here as I think your challenges are healthy and at the very least are making me think a little harder. And I’d definitely in your camp if

in opposition to the war on terrorism, against the war in Afghanistan, against the war in Iraq, against the Israeli occupation of Palestine, and in support of people everywhere who have the courage to challenge authoritarian rule.

is truly your position which at present I have no reason to doubt. I’ve bookmarked your site and will be reading it to get your take.
You’ve also challenged me to look a little harder for my blind spots with your quote from Pham Binh:

“Knee-jerk anti-imperialism leads to our enemies doing our thinking for us: whatever Uncle Sam wants, we oppose; whatever Uncle Sam opposes, we want.” It’s not a smart way of looking at the world.

I read the article which I found compelling and have bookmarked that site as well. Thanks.
I was losing hope here lately but believe the Moon is getting back on track; for whatever that’s worth b.

Posted by: juannie | Aug 6 2012 12:35 utc | 50

Well, it seems the Syrian regime, based on the Baath party, has fallen.
You don’t lose prime ministers otherwise. If your external enemies can bribe or convince a prime minister, even if it’s just a figure head, they can do the same with anyone else. And with these higher ups comes factions inside the regime that have changed sides.
So what will come next? A fast defeat and ‘transition’ to a Qatar-Saudi-US sponsored ‘free’ regime? The army, which must be in a very sorry state right now, taking over? Civil war? Chaos?

Posted by: ThePaper | Aug 6 2012 13:15 utc | 51

I’ve got to say, I concur youandI.

Posted by: Alexander | Aug 6 2012 13:16 utc | 52

ThePaper @ 51
Although the defective PM is dramatic, I wouldn’t hold my breath for the government to concede just yet. There’s still some riving and twitching left in that corpse, maybe even a few kicks. Actually, if I were to bet on an outcome here, I still would place my money on the Baath government to hold majority for the next few years.

Posted by: Alexander | Aug 6 2012 13:20 utc | 53

Riyad Hijab was appointed PM two months ago. BBC News, June 6:

Syrian President Bashar al-Assad has named Agriculture Minister Riad Hijab as his new prime minister, according to state television reports.
Activists who have been demanding political reform since last year have dismissed Mr Hijab’s promotion. He is a staunch Assad loyalist and a key member of the ruling Baath Party. Mr Hijab, 46, is from the mainly Sunni eastern city of Deir al-Zour.
He was appointed agriculture minister in April 2011, a month after the uprising against Mr Assad began. His first task as will be to form a government as the conflict between state and opposition forces continues.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-18338093

Posted by: Don Bacon | Aug 6 2012 14:12 utc | 54

Sure, they can live in denial and try to display ‘normality’ while blaming terrorists and foreign forces. But when your own appointed government is changing sides this way that’s not the reality. Not recognizing your situation you are half the way of your own defeat.
Whoever is now in power, I doubt it can be considered the Baath party anymore, more like a mix of army factions and the Assad family circle, their supporters, those who won’t welcome an islamist or islamist friendly regime, like christian and allewi minorities, can continue playing semantic games and live a bit longer in their delusion. Or face reality and take new courses of action that may strengthen their position for the time to come. A civil war isn’t a security problem nor a foreign invasion.
If they really have no support, or their support is so weak, or unwilling to stand up, or they don’t trust their supporters, they better run now than die in a pointless way. That’s was one of the many errors of the Gaddafi family.
Like in any normal country most people want to just live in peace and be left alone with, they will care little of who governs them as long as they have a way to live. So they will stand down and wait to see who has the upper hand and can ‘defend’ (even if it’s in a mafia protection scheme fashion) them. And if it’s the ‘rebels’, even if they don’t really prefer them to the regime, then so be it.
At the end only the militants will impact the result of the conflict. If there are no militants for a secular pro-Iran Syria (but also a cruel military single party dictatorship) then the end of this play is just a matter of time and pointless loss of life. In which case then better make it shorter and with lesser loss of life.

Posted by: ThePaper | Aug 6 2012 14:13 utc | 55

Hijab: “I am announcing that I am defecting from this regime, which is a murderous and terrorist regime,” the statement said. “I join the ranks of this dignified revolution.”
Sounds fishy to me. Dignified revolution?

Posted by: Don Bacon | Aug 6 2012 14:16 utc | 56

This guy has been paid a lot of money, or his family has been taken hostage.

Posted by: Alexander | Aug 6 2012 14:42 utc | 57

@Alexander
My thoughts also. We might have to call in b on this one.

Posted by: Don Bacon | Aug 6 2012 14:45 utc | 58

Assad is losing politically. This PM fleeing is a sign of that. Everyone knows the people around Assad are a corrupt bunch of politicians but the thing about corrupt politicians is they are very skilled at seeing which way the wind is blowing. They are not bogged down by loyalty or ideology as the phrase goes “like rats leaving a sinking ship” they will be first out the door if they sense trouble coming.
The military are generally different. Patriotic and will usually always support the state. But Assad losing members of his inner circle and loyalists means he might lose the state and therefore the Military.

Posted by: Colm O’ Toole | Aug 6 2012 14:56 utc | 59

It says a lot about who was part of the former Syrian regime, support for Hamas, Hizbullah or not.

Posted by: ThePaper | Aug 6 2012 15:07 utc | 60

There are some heavy psychological factors at play in the realm of power, Being influenced much by the foreign narrative of things, the fact that he was sunni, and therfore would be considered a traitor to his ethnic group after an eventual fall, with the treatment rebels give their adversaries, it might be a personally safer bet to go with the wrath of the regime than the punishment of the rebels. It’s all very dirty, and the revolutionary rot is festering throughout the society, but then again, the state isn’t dead yet, it just smells funny.

Posted by: Alexander | Aug 6 2012 15:10 utc | 61

A corrupt bunch of politicians — that’s unique. /s

Posted by: Don Bacon | Aug 6 2012 15:11 utc | 62

If this were a real revolution from below, peons toppling landlords, workers occupying factories, citizens at the barricades, the media would try to bury it. Instead, we get this in-your-face, 24hr HD horror show. Not buying it.
A maoist insurgency is spreading across great swaths of Mother India; yet, there’s barely a peep about this.

Posted by: ruralito | Aug 6 2012 15:23 utc | 63

BBC: A Syrian opposition official, Muhammad el-Etri, told CNN that Hijab had defected, was “in a country neighboring Syria” and would be heading to Qatar “sometime soon.”
AJE: Hijab is to leave Jordan for Qatar within days, following the example of other high-profile defectors, Etri told AFP news agency. “Hijab will go to Doha, where international media are based. He will leave for Qatar tomorrow, the day after or after a few days,” he said in the Jordanian capital. “This defection has been being planned for more than two months. He was given two options: to either take the office of prime minister or be killed. He had a third option in mind: to plan his own defection in order to direct a blow to the regime from within and today he is declaring his defection,” he told Al Jazeera.

Posted by: Don Bacon | Aug 6 2012 16:00 utc | 64

He was given two options, to either leave the office of prime minister and get rich, or be killed? Nah, the CIA wouldn’t stoop to that.

Posted by: Don Bacon | Aug 6 2012 16:03 utc | 65

He is from the North (Where the FSA are in power and very active), and not long in office, more than sure his family has been pressed (Polite term), and the only option he has is to accept defecting or stepping down (Versions). End of the day this is all part of the dismantling, bit, by bit – 2 weeks and Assad is toppled or at least the offensive for this will start for that final push.
Assad is low on financial reserves, each day is bleeding, when this get’s lower, the jumping ship will increase, this will lean to politicians first, then the more hardcore followers, the Mil. They will all be pressed, threats and bribes, once the head is cut, the rest ceases to work.

Posted by: Kevin | Aug 6 2012 16:20 utc | 66

Saudi Arabia and Qatar at work–
Guardian, Jul 30:
Al-Qaida turns tide for rebels in battle for eastern Syria
In his latest exclusive dispatch from Deir el-Zour province, Ghaith Abdul-Ahad meets fighters who have left the Free Syrian Army for the discipline and ideology of global jihad.
[a coincidence — ex-PM Riyad Hijab is from Deir el-Zour.]

. . .After the bombing, Abu Khuder split with the FSA and pledged allegiance to al-Qaida’s organisation in Syria, the Jabhat al Nusra or Solidarity Front. He let his beard grow and adopted the religious rhetoric of a jihadi, becoming a commander of one their battalions.
“The Free Syrian Army has no rules and no military or religious order. Everything happens chaotically,” he said. “Al-Qaida has a law that no one, not even the emir, can break. The FSA lacks the ability to plan and lacks military experience. That is what [al-Qaida] can bring. They have an organisation that all countries have acknowledged. . .”

CFR, Aug 6–

Thus far, Washington seems reluctant to weigh heavily into this issue. In May 2012, U.S. Defense Secretary Leon Panetta publicly accepted al-Qaeda’s presence in Syria (Guardian). And in July, the State Department’s counterterrorism chief, Daniel Benjamin, rather incredulously suggested that the United States will simply ask the FSA to reject al-Qaeda. The unspoken political calculation among policymakers is to get rid of Assad first—weakening Iran’s position in the region—and then deal with al-Qaeda later.

Posted by: Don Bacon | Aug 6 2012 16:23 utc | 67

Hijab is to leave Jordan for Qatar within days

I’m sure he will love it there. Only the finest resteraunts and hotels when being wined and dined by the Qatar Al Thani family, what’s not to love?
On a serious note though, that means he is saddling up with the Muslim Brotherhood. After all if you defect you only really have two or three choices, Saudi Arabia and the Salafist faction or Qatar and the MB faction. Of course if you are military and defect you have the third choice Turkey and helping coordinate the FSA from the safety of the refugee camps.
When General Manaf Tlass defected he headed over to Saudi Arabia and now they are promoting him as a possible President post-Assad. Qatar will likely try and groom Hijab for the role. After all he is Sunni, PM experience, born in a rebel stronghold of Deir Al Zour.

Posted by: Colm O’ Toole | Aug 6 2012 16:30 utc | 68

Hijab: “I am announcing that I am defecting from this regime, which is a murderous and terrorist regime,” the statement said. “I join the ranks of this dignified revolution.”
Sounds fishy to me. Dignified revolution?
Posted by: Don Bacon | Aug 6, 2012 10:16:09 AM | 56
‘murderous and terrorist regime’? he is clearly lying but why and for what end? he must know the ‘revolution’ is made up of foreign jihadis bent on syria destruction.

Posted by: brian | Aug 6 2012 16:50 utc | 69

a murderous and terrorist regime

Posted by: Colm O’ Toole | Aug 6 2012 17:16 utc | 70

He has been sternly coached, chances are his family wont be safe until he’s done his part of the deal in strengthening the rebel narrative.

Posted by: Alexander | Aug 6 2012 17:21 utc | 71

However we try to spin this, it is a public relations disaster for the Syrian government. Where was his bodyguards, why did the border and internal security fail in their task. I think a bit of blackmail and Qatar/Saudi money pushed him in taking this defection. Iran’s president has agreed to get to Riyadh for the OIS emergency meeting, what significance is this in relation to the defection.

Posted by: hans | Aug 6 2012 17:54 utc | 72

Haha @Paul Woodward is quoting Pham Binh who is getting eviserated at Kasama http://kasamaproject.org/2012/08/04/pham-binhs-reply-our-responsibility-to-the-arab-spring/ just look at his prior shoddy defenses of his earlier articles there, dont want to overlink. Maybe you can cite Richard Seymour from Lenin’s Tomb next; he recieved his diktat from The SWP and is desperately trying to rationalize what he knows to be unabashed imperialism. Someone asked why Assad was singled out? Well Syria is the final bulwark against complete Zionist hegemony in the region. This would isolate Hizbollah which would allow Israel to re-invade Lebanon which they have a serious hardon for, They will annex Golan and Sheba and Eretz Y’Isreal wont be a dream anymore they may have their little Tigris to Euphrates Supremacist hell hole after all. Than Iran and WWIII. Its proxy war against Russia and ultimately China imo.

Posted by: demize! | Aug 6 2012 18:22 utc | 73

@73, thanks for the antidote. Binh’s article was short on coherent analysis and long on cliche.

Posted by: ruralito | Aug 6 2012 19:57 utc | 74

Hijab is a joke, though a sad one.
He complained about the regime killing unarmed protesters.
Saying this after the rebels executed pro-Assad civilians and celebrated the killing of lightly armed policemen only shows his brazenness and the advanced status of his mental illness.

Posted by: KerKaraje | Aug 6 2012 22:29 utc | 75

For the Woodawards of this world, Syria, Iran and Hezbollah, despite all declared, non declared and fabricated flaws, are the last anti-imperialism bastions in the ME. It is not that we, anti-imperialists, want what the US doesn’t want, that’s dumb, I agree. It is that the US wants what we don’t want. What is dumb is to think starting with US as point of reference.

Posted by: Sophia | Aug 7 2012 0:23 utc | 76

It would not be a surprise if Hijab’s family has been “pressured.” Many Syrians who have been perceived as being sympathetic to the regime have been kidnapped or assassinated by rebels — including members of the grand mufti’s family. Hijab’s statement sounds stilted.

Posted by: Rusty Pipes | Aug 7 2012 1:40 utc | 77

Posted by: Sophia | Aug 6, 2012 8:23:18 PM | 76
well said….except im happy with syria, far more so than the western regimes…it shows something like good government

Posted by: brian | Aug 7 2012 1:51 utc | 78

Rusty Pipes @ 77
Hijabs statement sounds stilted, indeed. That was a speech made at gunpoint. Thae guy must have been coerced and coached what to say. It is just over the top calling the government he has been part of a murderous regime, and then calling the murderous rebellion a dignified revolution. He is incriminating himself while blasting out blatant propaganda for his adversaries. The guy has been forced, no question about it.
Sophia @ 76 ,

It is not that we, anti-imperialists, want what the US doesn’t want, that’s dumb, I agree. It is that the US wants what we don’t want. What is dumb is to think starting with US as point of reference.

good point, well made! Good girl.

Posted by: Alexander | Aug 7 2012 3:22 utc | 79

To elaborate a little bit about why we oppose foreign meddling in Syria:
Any revolutionary dissent in a country looses its legitimacy when foreign interests start interfering and artificially bloating one side with resources, whether that is money, media propaganda, manpower or weapons – the real size of the dissent is then not representative of the democratic basis in that country.
As in Syria, when rebels complained that they didn’t have enough men to perform a revolution – “Wheres NATO, why not Syria when Libya?” That’s indicative of a lack of real motivation on the ground by the people. NATO set a dangerous precedence in Libya, and it’s wise of the UN to break and reset that precedence in Syria, so other revolutionaries don’t get bad ideas, whether in their home country or Americans inflicting chaos on other countries.

Posted by: Alexander | Aug 7 2012 4:41 utc | 80

Bilad al-Sham: Jihad’s Newest Hot Spot
http://english.al-akhbar.com/content/bilad-al-sham-jihads-newest-hot-spot
Syria has become a magnet for the world’s jihadis.
It has been attracting them since the start of the crisis, lured by what many believe to be a ‘divine’ promise that jihad in Bilad al-Sham, Greater Syria, will set the stage for the emergence of the true Islamic state.
….
With victory and the downfall of the regime thus pre-ordained, jihadis from far and wide have been heeding the call.
According to jihadi sources, the fighters currently operating in Syria include Jordanians, Iraqis, Palestinians, Kuwaitis, Tunisians, Libyans, Saudis and Yemenis, as well as Muslims from non-Arab countries such as Afghanistan and Pakistan. The biggest single contingent of foreign fighters is said to be composed of Lebanese, Jordanian, Iraqi and Palestinians who had previously fought against US forces in Iraq. [now they fight FOR EUSaudisraeli interests!
etc
Spot the syrian if you can!
FSA NOT Free NOT Syrian and NOT and Army..isnt it remarkable someone was able to gather so many of these guys to lay waste to syria (to forge their ‘divinely’ ordained true islamic state)and not ONE is willing to help the palestinians?!

Posted by: brian | Aug 7 2012 6:53 utc | 81

Brian @81, I have said that this is a battle for the desert religions. Now we hear that the Saudi Wahhabist Imams nutters have called for the destruction of Sayyida Zeinab shrine, Zeinab is the beloved granddaughter of Prophet Muhammad, and is revered in Shia. This heinous crime would put the bombing of the al-Askari Mosque in Samarra to small fry.

Posted by: hans | Aug 7 2012 7:05 utc | 82

get your barf bag ready:for the MB aided by their favourite liberal megaphony: the Guardian now want to reassure us that they really really dont want to oust christians or shia..and its all the fault of the enemy distorting our noble revolution….
http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2012/aug/06/syria-middleeast?newsfeed=true
comments are worth a read BUT, i dont know about you but im NOT reassured…
1. any place for independent media?
http://news.antiwar.com/2012/08/05/islamist-group-claims-credit-for-executing-kidnapped-syrian-tv-presenter/
2. any place for christians?
http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=31952
3. any place for shia?
http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=31184
so given the Guardians editors must be aware of all this why give this bozo a platform to lie big time?! what has happened to that media?

Posted by: brian | Aug 7 2012 7:22 utc | 83

over at Kasama project site(see above), Louis Proyect has a new hobby: defending islamic terrorism..he takes anti-islamaphobia to regions where he ends up supporting islamic terrorism.

Posted by: brian | Aug 7 2012 8:07 utc | 84

Brian @ 83
From the piece by Ali Al-Bayanouni of the MB, “Some have sought to distort the noble image of our revolution, depicting it as a proxy for foreign interests repeating the propaganda of the decaying regime.”
And then the disgraced PM of Syria goes on to “I am announcing that I am defecting from this regime, which is a murderous and terrorist regime,” “I join the ranks of this dignified revolution.”
Sounds like the words of both the MB and the PM are coming from the same mouth.

Posted by: Alexander | Aug 7 2012 11:29 utc | 85

well well well:
Counter PsyOps 7 August 07:15
Syrian State Minister for National Reconciliation affairs Dr. Ali Haidar on Syrian television tonight: “It’s known now. If you defect, you get $1 million dollars and a monthly salary of $25,000”
============
now this is corruption…so the west is endorsing corrupt politicians….for a ,million $ even id do a double back flip!

Posted by: brian | Aug 7 2012 12:09 utc | 86

the former PM ..hope he live long enough enjoys his cool million! for thats what he earned for his betrayal of his country.

Posted by: brian | Aug 7 2012 12:11 utc | 87

Somehow I’m not surprised to hear this.

Posted by: Alexander | Aug 7 2012 12:35 utc | 88

I wouldn’t get carried away by the defection of Hijab. Look back to the opening days of the Libyan fiasco and you may recall the massive number of defections that occured during the opening week or two. Defections from huge segments of the diplomatic core, the police, the army, internal security, intelligence, etc. That, combined with the total takeover of eastern Libya and Benghazi. Don’t forget that the rebels there and their western paymasters had far greater control of the narrative. The air force bombing “peaceful protesters”, “African mercenaries,” “Mass Rape.” all that was taken at face value. It seemed for sure Qaddafi would fall with days.
And yet, a month later, he was on the verge of retaking Benghazi and almost certainly would have if NATO had stayed out. He miraculously survived for months even after NATO jumped in.
By contrast, Rebels in Syria can only do hit and run, do not control swaths of territory, and their own crimes are much more publicized than in Libya.
In short, the Syrian government isn’t going anywhere soon.
P.S. for those worried about the resistance in the even Syria does fall, take a look at Angry Arab’s assessment.

Posted by: Lysander | Aug 7 2012 12:39 utc | 89

P.S. for those worried about the resistance in the even Syria does fall, take a look at Angry Arab’s assessment.

To which a reader replied

What is happening today is against the Syrian GOVERNMENT & STATE, not “the regime”. Using this word by you is turning you into a parrot, angry parrot, who keeps repeating the same propaganda of the West, GCC, and Israel. You are one of them!. Congrats!

This man is a turncoat I have always said so!

Posted by: hans | Aug 7 2012 12:57 utc | 90

Assad Abu Khalil is to be taken with a fine measure of salt. He is far too concerned about being “politically correct” to be an effective and consistent anti-imperialist. Plus he tends to get caught up in his super secret ear to the ground “sources in the region” that he never names. He supported his student detained in Iran for espionage without even being aware he was an Israeli national, I wont even get into his labeling certain Palestine activists “anti-Semitic”. Here is today’s Lenin’s Tomb with its earnest proprietor trying to fit a square peg into a round hole. http://t.co/gzblx6aV

Posted by: demize! | Aug 7 2012 20:40 utc | 91

Richard at Lenins Tomb totally disregards that most fighters in Syria are motivated by lies, islamism, money and threats.

Posted by: Alexander | Aug 7 2012 21:19 utc | 92

There is a difference. Libya was from the start a regime based on Gaddafi and his family. Losing officials didn’t matter as much as the power was concentrated in a family linked inner circle and a few loyal tribes. Libya was, and is, heavily tribal.
Syria on the other hand, even if the inner circle may have been completely controlled by the Assad clan and it’s allies, was supposed to be an Arab Republic based on a single-party dictatorship, the Baath, a secular Arab nationalist party with a long history in Syria and the whole region.
What is clearly finished is the Baath regime. The fact is that, mostly, Sunnies are dropping and changing sides, even if it’s just to a better payer, or seeking better posts in a future new government. We don’t know what it’s now governing Syria.
The Syrian regime has been supporting for many years Hamas and Hizbullah for their own purposes, as a counterbalance for Israel and US power. But it also suppressed the Palestinian in Lebanon and worked with the US, France, the Saudies and Israel to control Lebanon for decades. It also collaborated with the infamous ‘renditions’ and torturing Islamists on the ‘War on Terror’. The regime was the enemy of any kind of opposition be it secular, leftist or Islamic. We are not talking about some Kingdom of Camelot here but a real authoritarian regime.
We could consider it better than the absolutist monarchies reigning in other places, or the puppet republics, it may had more support and legitimacy on his population, but at the end it wasn’t precisely a ‘ideal’ government. That it may be still preferable for many reasons to the Salafist nightmare that the Saudis desire or the puppet regime the US and Israel want doesn’t change the real nature of the Syrian regime.

Posted by: ThePaper | Aug 7 2012 21:39 utc | 93

Richard at Lenins Tomb totally disregards that most fighters in Syria are motivated by lies, islamism, money and threats.
Posted by: Alexander | Aug 7, 2012 5:19:05 PM | 92
ive been banned by freedom loving Richard from posting on his site, but the fellow is another eg of the self-destruction being waged by clueless leftists who either are ignorant of events in libya and syria or are in someones pockets.
The real Lenin must be rolling in his tomb to be associated with such rascals!

Posted by: brian | Aug 7 2012 22:22 utc | 94

‘Syria on the other hand, even if the inner circle may have been completely controlled by the Assad clan and it’s allies, was supposed to be an Arab Republic based on a single-party dictatorship, the Baath, a secular Arab nationalist party with a long history in Syria and the whole region.’
as opposed to the two party dictatorship we see in the ‘democracies’…But syrias and theb jamahirya are to be preferred as they actually care about their people

Posted by: brian | Aug 7 2012 22:24 utc | 95

Posted by: hans | Aug 7, 2012 8:57:39 AM | 90
yes the use of the word ‘regime’ always clues one in to the persons agenda..Angry Arab like most left wing commentators says: NO to EUSaudisrael and NO to Assad….which always means YES tom EUSaudisrael!
why do so many on the left barrack for the real dictators! and end up drinking from the same Bar as the Empire? its bizarre..its as if they read only the MSM and believe it

Posted by: brian | Aug 7 2012 22:28 utc | 96

Hans, Angry Arab professes to be pissed off at Hafez all Assad smacking some leftists around in Lebanon in 1976. It seems he wont let it go and it blinds him to everything. His reporting has changed over the pat year and a half from being 100% pro opposition, to being very anti opposition, to the point that he attacks the FSA and their backers more than the Syrian government.
Keep in mind that he was attacking Saudi Arabia for YEARS!!! as a Zionist cat’s paw long before it became common knowledge. To this day that is the best method I can think of for filtering out pseudo anti-imperialists: if the tiptoe around KSA, they’re either perps or useful idiots. If they consistently attack KSA head on and hard, I cut them some slack.
Paper, the shortcomings of the Syrian government wasn’t my concern. I was assessing the effect of the PM defection on its viability. My conclusion is that it is viable. The rank and file of the Syrian Army is Sunni and it is still cohesive 17 months into an armed uprising enjoying the financial, political and military support of the richest and most powerful countries in the world. That by itself is an accomplishment and the best evidence that Assad and the current state, despite its flaws, have the support of huge segments of the Sunni Arab public.
Despite the many criticisms one can level at the Syrian…or really ANY…government, I support it one hundred percent because Syria is in a battle for national survival and the current government, warts and all, is the only thing that can save it.

Posted by: Lysander | Aug 8 2012 3:38 utc | 97