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August 18, 2012

Criticism Of The Pussy Riot Sentence Stinks Of Hypocrisy

Russian court imprisons Pussy Riot band members on hooliganism charges

Three members of Russian female punk rock band Pussy Riot were sentenced to two years in prison Friday after they were found guilty of hooliganism for performing a song critical of President Vladimir Putin in a church.

France condemns 'disproportionate' Pussy Riot sentence

France condemned the two-year prison sentences meted out to three members of Russian punk band Pussy Riot Friday and said the legal process was not over yet.

"The verdict handed down today appears particularly disproportionate, considering the minor acts they are accused of," said French foreign ministry spokesman Vincent Floreani.

Pro-Pussy Riot demonstrators arrested in Marseille

Demonstrators protesting at Russia’s jailing of punk band Pussy Riot were arrested by police in the southern French city of Marseille for breaking France’s controversial law against face-covering garments.
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France’s foreign ministry described Pussy Riot’s balaclava-clad performance in a Moscow church as “minor acts” and, like the US, Germany, the UK and several other countries, condemned the verdict as an attack on the freedom of expression.

But protesters in Marseille who donned balaclavas in solidarity with the three young women - Nadezhda Tolokonnikova, Maria Alyokhina and Yekaterina Samutsevich – were rounded up after just 10 minutes outside the Russian consulate in the city, the local paper La Provence reports.

The hypocrisy displayed by western officialdom in the Pussy Riot case stinks to high heaven. All of those governments who condemned the sentence would themselves argue for harsh sentences if a similar act would happen in one of their countries. They are also not, as one can see above, staunch supporters of free speech when that free speech is against their ruling interests.

As for my opinion on the Pussy Riot case. Basic rights include free speech and freedom of religion. Sometimes basic rights collide with each other and a judgement has to be made about the borders between those rights. Freedom of religion includes the freedom to have a religion and the freedom to have places for undisturbed worship.

Here is the unedited version of the Pussy Riot "performance" in the Christ the Saviour's Church in Moscow. Here is the version edited and dubbed by Pussy Riot, the only version western media will show you. Watch and let me know if you find such behavior acceptable.

Abusing places of worship for a "free speech act", especially when that act is subjectively blasphemous to the religion, is an infringement of the right of freedom of religion. In my view such an infringement, as in this case, can not be justified by the right of free speech. There are many other places where the free speech can be made. I therefore find the sentence against Pussy Riot quite obviously justified. The two years, of which five month have already been served, may be a bit harsh. But how many years would some punks get who made a free speech point by (symbolically) shitting on the altar of the National Cathedral in Washington DC?

Posted by b on August 18, 2012 at 09:02 AM | Permalink

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B -

I generally find myself in agreement with you and your opinions. In this case, however, we most definitely differ.

This charge is obviously a shitty attempt to punish these girls for badmouthing Putin. It was not about hooliganism or desecration of a house of worship. An act that is subjectively (or objectively for that matter) blasphemous to religion is *still* speech that should be protected. Religious figures routinely blaspheme on each others religions, with muslims calling Christians names and, certainly here in the USA, plenty of Christians calling Muslims names. These guys think Mormonism is a cult, and those people think Scientology is a cult (ok...most people think this...), and while they sometimes demonstrate insensitivity, it is still their right to think, and say whatever they want. Simply voicing your opinion about religion or political figures is NOT hooliganism. It is the very nature of 'free speech' - a right that I humbly believe that ALL people are entitled to. This is a concept that we seem to be losing here in the US, and I am quick to point out when the government here is acting in a way to stifle this right.

Saying that grils chanting (or screaming) in a church is the same as shitting on the floor of a church is a stretch to say the least. And at least here in the US, there are laws that circumscribe what the punishment should be for this. Three years would be a damn extreme sentence for this act.

Posted by: Base | Aug 18, 2012 9:15:25 AM | 1

i think the criminalisation of protest is what is going on here. i agree with your statements about the hypocrisy of western governments and add the example of the incarceration of the rioters and indeed even just bloggers after the riots/demonstrations last year in London. the riotous pussies are being used as an example. i dont thnk the right to worship in peace overrides the right of free speech in this instance, i think the sentence ridiculous and harsh.

Posted by: yvette | Aug 18, 2012 9:20:35 AM | 2

The sentence is undoubtedly harsh.
But b is correct: none of "our" governments, who approve and facilitate the killing of people practising free speech in Bahrain, Haiti and many other countries (Honduras for example, is in any position to criticise a sentence which is clearly designed to set an example to potential recruits to a "colour revolution" in Russia.
The underlying truth is that lots of people, who pay little attention to what is happening in the world, have been tricked into a campaign designed to weaken Putin's position. And not because Putin is authoritarian (these same people loved Yeltsin and applauded his shelling of the Duma) but because he is protecting Russia's national interests and thwarting US imperialism.
There will be no free speech anywhere if the US succeeds in imposing the rule of its ruling class on the world.
Let those who demonstrate for Pussy Riot do the same for Assange, or protect the rights of blacks in Libya, or call for the 90% of Haitians who support Aristide's party to be allowed to put up candidates or question the sentencing practises of American judges, or march to the Israeli consulate to question massacres and lynchings in Palestine. And let the corrupt corporate media publicise such events and shield those involved from Police brutality.

Posted by: bevin | Aug 18, 2012 10:29:54 AM | 3

Today from PressTV website

"Saudi-backed Bahraini forces have beaten to death a 16-year-old boy as anti-regime demonstrations continue across the Persian Gulf country.


The teenager, identified as Husam al-Haddad, was killed when regime forces launched an attack on a peaceful demonstration on Friday night.

Bahrain’s Interior Ministry confirmed Haddad’s death.

Bahraini security forces used excessive force to disperse the protesters who had staged a demonstration to mark the international al-Quds Day in solidarity with Palestinian people.

Anti-regime demonstrations in Bahrain continue despite the heavy-handed crackdown by the security forces.


Meanwhile, a Bahraini court has sentenced human rights activist Nabil Rajab to “three years in jail over three cases of taking part in unauthorized protests.”

There is no mention in the story of protests from France. The US was there watching. And the killer cops are British trained and led. And the fake left? where are they? Organising demos for Uncle Sam. The one in London seems to be the archetype: kids in balaclavas denouncing the Russian Embassy for voting against the UNSC resolutions sponsored by NATO, as well as persecuting PussyRiot.

Posted by: bevin | Aug 18, 2012 10:40:40 AM | 4

Think I agree with b, also with the comments in the last paragraph in bevin # 3. I also believe this is more Kabuki, that distracts from the more serious issue of corporate global dominance.

Posted by: ben | Aug 18, 2012 10:44:50 AM | 5

This is a copy cat Ukraine "Pussy Riot" Topless Protester Cuts Down Cross in Kiev. There will be more of this nonsense going on especially against the Orthodox church. This as I mentioned is about the control of the desert religions. Now Eid is upon us the battle between Islam will take another dimension. Iran and it's Shia allies will become more pro active. The abdication and slaughter of innocents must be seen to be avenged, else the righteous will feel weakened. Out of all this will be better enlightened for the religions.

Posted by: hans | Aug 18, 2012 11:01:19 AM | 6

There are two seperate concepts at work here.

- One is the hypocrisy mentioned. You want another example look at The Guardian at the coverage Pussy Riot get today Vs the coverage of the 32 South African strikers gunned down. 3 girls in Russia getting jailed for 1 and a half years, trumps 32 miners massacred for protesting. Of course the US with its recent Ocuppy Wall St and Bradley Manning history and the UK that have given 2 year jail sentenences to many rioters has no moral claim. This is about weakening Putin to them.

- Secondly however as Yvette mentioned this is also about the global trend of "criminalising protests". In this regard the US-UK are much worse than Russia. Look at the US and its uncover agents in the enviromental movement or mass arrests in OWS. The thing about Pussy Riot is that while they are political protest they are much more troublesome than a peaceful anti-war marcher. Pussy Riots last "big act" before the church one was breaking into an art gallery in the middle of the night and filming an orgy. They said it was an artistic statement but that doesn't cover up that they broke into a public art gallery. Yet they faced no charges. It's quiet clear they were looking for this response.

So yeah maybe think about why 32 men were killed in a South Africa protesting for a living wage, at a time when the platinum they Mined is worth more than gold (900 dollars per ounce for gold VS 1,900 dollars per ounce for Platinum).

Posted by: Colm O' Toole | Aug 18, 2012 11:26:20 AM | 7

Just a quick warning to those in the US. If you are so disturbed by the Pussy Riot verdict and want to protest, don't do it too close to anyone under secret service protection. They will put you in jail for that. You should also avoid doing near some government buildings in the DC area.

Land destroyer blog has a great list of of western hypocrisy with regard to free speech. My favorite is what would happen if you broke into a Synagogue and praised Hitler and denied the holocaust? Hell, even if you just kept it supper mild and denounced west bank settlements?

Posted by: Lysander | Aug 18, 2012 11:58:07 AM | 8

Kabuki indeed.

This is a stupid law. No doubt the perps chose this law to break because this is one area where Russia evidently has more draconian laws than the U.S./West.

The U.S. went nuts when protesters violated trespassing and misdemeanor property destruction. The U.S. evidently puts more focus on property, while Russia puts more emphasis on respect.

Whatever. None of these violations should result in jail sentences.

The same elite is probably running Russia that is running the U.S. Russia is playing the role that the Democrats play in the U.S.--controlled opposition. Russia is being set up as the opposition to American imperialism/hegemony but it's all fake.

To make it easier to control the world. For instance, look at Libya and Syria. Has Russia prevented or slowed an attack?

I submit Russia is helping the West attack Libya and Syria and soon Iran. This Kubuki is meant to distract.

Posted by: Walter Wit Man | Aug 18, 2012 12:02:12 PM | 9

Anyone recall the Muslim American students protesting the Israeli ambassador?

Now if Russia wants to defend itself it needs to hit back hard every time one of these incidents happens in the west. RT should report on it several times and should personalize the incident by interviewing victims of the so called justice system. Russian diplomats need to mention it in press conferences, bring forth a UNSC resolution, etc. They can't just play defense all the time.

Western media is still top dog, but not nearly as dominant as it was 10 years ago.

Posted by: Lysander | Aug 18, 2012 12:09:02 PM | 10

b sucking putin's cock. no matter what.

Posted by: slothrop | Aug 18, 2012 12:14:23 PM | 11

pathetic

the western propaganda machine works full-time to feed us shit

Posted by: claudio | Aug 18, 2012 12:18:37 PM | 12

Claudio: I agree with you, and it is a sad state of affairs.

This is a cross post which I just posted over at RFI, so please forgive the oblique references, but I figured it is on topic (which is a nice change for me) in terms of the Pussy Riot thang, and it relates to my earlier post regarding commitment, but this time on a societal level. The context is that there was some asshole over there hating on the Islamic Republic and dragging in the Bahai dog-and-pony show to do it...

Castellio:

I'm not sure I use those terms correctly either, as cultural anthropology is not my bag, baby. I just use it to point out that different paradigms at issue to avoid what I call 'paradigm errors' (as in Russell's 'category errors', which are intra-paradigmal).

And I hear you about the importance of maintaining a humble position, especially given the treacherous epistemological minefield that most of you moderns (who are by and large afflicted with an advanced form of metastasized skepsis) find themselves in. But with regard to the issue of minority rights and religious rights and all rights, come to think of it, it is important to bear in mind (in order to preclude paradigm errors) that one of the important differences between religious communities and non-religious ones is their the level of *purposiveness*. In other words, a "community" truly worthy of the name is actually united not just due to a common heritage, ethnicity, race, or creed, but share a joint purpose and goal (such as staying on the *sharia* [Pathway that will lead them back to God and everlasting bliss]). Or to put it another way, they share a telos as well as an ethos. So now. Everything changes when you allow for this one little variable in the "religious rights" or "human rights" equation, because the entirety of the presumptive framework is different in a purposive community. In modern societies such as we have in Weaselistan, where everyone is going in their own direction, and Elvis was last seen doing 50 on Exit 40, there is a lot more latitude or freedom of movement. Think of it as the difference between, say, a Zen Buddhist monastery that is intent on a long-term (multi-generational?) spiritual exercise that requires silence and intense concentration, and a kindergarten full of screaming kids or a coed schoolyard full of teenagers pumped full of testosterone and estrogen. Now if a bunch of unruly punks went pussy riot in the kindergarten or schoolyard, it would not make much difference to the [non-existent] objective which [does not] obtain there; but if they went pussy rioting all over the purposive community's face, it would be a different kettle of fish altogether.

The Bahais went pussy riot all over our face, to the beat of Gavner Saheb's snare drum, using Her Majesty's amplifiers cranked full blast. Her majesty also donated the road crew and threw in a couple of crew sluts for good measure (strapped to Seat 38 on Fido 3). Now in Zen Buddhism there is a concept called 'No Head'. I don't know if you are aware of it... but in Islam, when someone says 'No Head' it usually means that a sword has been drawn :D

So not to put too fine a point on it, but I say f@#% the pussy riot! And good riddance.

Posted by: Unknown Unknowns | Aug 18, 2012 12:22:46 PM | 13

Claudio:
Ah, I was agreeing with your response to my earlier post, though the propaganda memes have indeed reached pathetic proportions. But we are nowhere near critical mass yet.

Posted by: Unknown Unknowns | Aug 18, 2012 12:30:48 PM | 14

This is one of those situations where I wonder why foreign govts., religious leaders and courts can't act more enlightened than our unenlightened lot.

Posted by: ahji | Aug 18, 2012 12:36:16 PM | 15

In CH, if you booked or on the q-t used a church, a concert or theatre hall, to give a performance, say a mock opera, or play, political grandstanding, or even pop-type music (though indulgence for that would be greater), spouting anti-semitism, or anti-arab views (as the laws are carefully written to include any community, but only anti-Jew/Israel are prosecuted) provided the audience was at least, say, 75-100 ppl, you would be arrested and charged with hate speech.

The case would be wearisome and difficult, lawyers costs a bomb, but in the end, no prison time, but public shaming, hefty fines (would be revoked later), because CH has to play bootlicker to US-Isr. Everyone knows this, so it is theatre where ppl go thru the motions. The laws are so fuzzy, they are interpreted in function of International Politics, not the law itself.

Anti-Gov speech? Not actionable. In a church? No matter.

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Putin has made a big mistake letting this story escalate, and either supporting or allowing stiff penalties.

Posted by: Noirette | Aug 18, 2012 2:00:10 PM | 16

It is art. Art is supposed to be provocative. That church was rebuilt with taxpayers' money by Boris Yeltsin and opened by Putin in 2000. Stalin had torn it down, religion was supposed to have no place in the Sowjet Union. Pussy Riot knew what they protested.
Their act should be protected by a) the right to demonstrate in public places, b) freedom of art c) free speech.
Yes, you would be prosecuted in most countries for not filling in the right applications which then could be refused, however a prison sentence for a non violent act that did not cause any material damage is excessive.

Posted by: somebody | Aug 18, 2012 3:24:38 PM | 17

I think one should detach from the Western reaction. In itself, the event was not worth two years' prison. The sentence is not good, and talks about Putin's attitudes, but it doesn't make Russia an outlaw.

Posted by: alexno | Aug 18, 2012 3:33:57 PM | 18

Based on how much Pussy Riot's music sucks they got off cheap.

I suppose this goes without saying but I will say it anyway: Had these women done something like this in the Kingdom of Saudi Arabia they'd probably be dead.

Posted by: revenire | Aug 18, 2012 3:46:29 PM | 19

@19 Heck, they'd probably be dead if they tried it in Texas.

Posted by: dh | Aug 18, 2012 3:57:13 PM | 20

The noise of condemnation coming British officials stinks to say the least..

They sentenced a student to 16 months for swinging on a UK flag in London...

If these pussy punk retards had done their US state department sponsored stunt in St. Paul's Cathedral in England, the people will be asking for their heads..

Just another anti Putin campaign gone horribly wrong..The stunt had CIA covert ops written all over it.

http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/3271873/Student-riots-Cenotaph-yob-is-son-of-Pink-Floyd-star-Dave-Gilmour.html


http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2015679/Charlie-Gilmour-blames-student-riot-rampage-rejection-natural-father.html

Posted by: Zico | Aug 18, 2012 4:11:28 PM | 21

What's odd is the 'outrage' from Western liberals. Putin is a Russian nationalist basically....he's opposed to intervention, oligarchs and neo-colonialists. One would think Western liberals would be helping him. I guess it was clever to make it look like a free-speech issue.

Posted by: dh | Aug 18, 2012 4:21:00 PM | 22

Russia's been paying defense for way too long..It's almost as though they're afraid to expose the rot in the so-called "free world"...

Bradly Manning is supposedly still in jail for "leaking" the truth..

All governments are hypocrites but I hate it when some portray themselves as angels - especially the ones in Washington and London.

Posted by: Zico | Aug 18, 2012 4:26:19 PM | 23

@19

I suppose this goes without saying but I will say it anyway: Had these women done something like this in the Kingdom of Saudi Arabia they'd probably be dead.

What kind of justification is this? Lets both agree that Saudi Arabia sucks. So what? Does this somehow justify the actions of the Russians?

Israel attempts this justification all the time: Why are you focusing on us? We are not the worst nation in the region.

This argument is bullshit when Israel uses it and it is still bullshit in this case.

Posted by: Base | Aug 18, 2012 5:20:01 PM | 24

Perhaps this topic has played itself out, if not in the MSM at least here? OT, but still in the realm of hypocrisy, both UK and US have now gone on record as not accepting the "concept of diplomatic amnesty."

From BBC re US:

At emergency talks held by the OAS in Washington, US envoy Carmen Lomellin said a meeting of foreign ministers "would be unhelpful and harmful to the OAS' reputation as an institution". She said the US - which was joined in a no vote by Canada, and Trinidad and Tobago - did not "recognise the concept of diplomatic asylum as a matter of international law".

What then was the US Embassy in Budapest doing with Cardinal Mindszenty for 15 yrs? - From US Hungarian Embassy web site:

On November 4, 1956, a Marine Corporal and Master Sergeant, and the Air Attache, Colonel Welwyn Dallam, were standing on the stairs at the entrance to the Chancery. Cardinal Mindszenty and a Monsignor walked up to the Chancery door. Through the Monsignor, who acted as the Cardinal's interpreter, they asked to come into the U.S. Embassy. The corporal looked at the Air Attache and asked, "What should I do sir?" The Air Attache said nothing. The corporal then looked at the Master Sergeant and asked the same question. "Do your duty," the sergeant replied. So the corporal, who had the keys to the building, unlocked the door, and in walked Cardinal Mindszenty, who stayed for fifteen years. A few moments later, a telex arrived from Washington instructing the Embassy to extend every courtesy should the Cardinal request asylum.

It would appear that in 1956 the concept of diplomatic amnesty was both understood and implemented by an American corporal, even before being ordered by Washington. What is the problem today? When did the US start having trouble with this concept?

Let us also hope Julian Assange doesn't have to suffer the fate of Mindszenty.

[Note that DailyKOS has a recent post re. Mindszenty. Doesn't look like either UK or US look very smart on this one. But with the support of Trinidad & Tabago...]

Posted by: oboblomov | Aug 18, 2012 5:34:03 PM | 25

This from AP reprinted in Boston Globe this morning, for the life of me I didn’t know according to AP’s high School level journalism when a dignitary or president (in this case a newly elected president of a Egypt that had no relation with Iran for 30 years) of an important country travels to a second country it is all signs of diminishing power of the visited country. So say if president Obama makes the effort to visits Brazil is all due the fact that Brazil’s power id diminishing. Therefore if president Obama really wants to reduce Assad power and remove him the best thing he can do is to take trip to Syria tomorrow. Who knows one can learn a new thing or two every day.
Gav did you get that if I were you I wouldn’t let Obama come near her majesty.


Syria war tipping Mideast balance toward Sunnis
By HAMZA HENDAWI
Associated Press / August 18, 2012

“The announcement Saturday that Egypt’s new, Muslim Brotherhood-rooted president, Mohammed Morsi, will visit Iran on Aug. 30 — the first such visit by an Egyptian leader since the mid-1970s — likely reflects the growing confidence that Iran’s status is damaged and that Sunni Arab nations can steer the agenda.”

http://www.boston.com/news/world/middle-east/2012/08/18/syria-war-tipping-mideast-balance-toward-sunnis/03CCpOrA5TEXwltOQFlE4H/story.html

Posted by: kooshy | Aug 18, 2012 5:36:11 PM | 26

The sentence was harsh, didn't the u.s. beat the crap out of protesters each day until they effectively killed off the OWS movement? Remember Scott Olsen got hit in the head with a tear gas canister, he now speaks slower & gas some brain damage, Obama never was "disappointed" with that, he mentioned nothing. How about the drone protester who documented drone strikes then when going to a meeting he got murdered by a drone? Lot worse than 2 years in jail.... I don't support this sentence but all these "western" countries need to STFU

Posted by: Jose Rios | Aug 18, 2012 5:58:36 PM | 27

no 26 it is the ostrich school of journalism

the US refuses to include Iran, Russia refuses to include Saudi Arabia in negotiations on Syria, Russia, China, the US do not agree, fighting continues

Egypt proposes a working group of Turkey, Saudi Arabia, Iran and Egypt

Intelligence test: What do these countries have in common?

Correct answer: They have Islamist governments.

Prize question: Who has gained influence who has lost?

Posted by: somebody | Aug 18, 2012 6:31:01 PM | 28

I'm sitting in b's corner on this one.

Oh...and somebody... You claimed, "It is art. Art is supposed to be provocative."

Did you watch the original video? That wasn't art. Not remotely. It wasn't even provocative. It was a mockery and a desecration of a site considered holy by Believers done to bring attention to these untalented and emotionally damaged narcissists.

By the way - I personally believe ALL religions are crowd control devices but that doesn't lead me to ridicule and mock those who involve themselves in religion, nor does it lead me to desecrate their houses of worship.

Then you went on to say, "That church was rebuilt with taxpayers' money by Boris Yeltsin and opened by Putin in 2000. Stalin had torn it down"...

Stalin didn't have it torn down, somebody. One of his Christian-hating Jewish henchmen did because as you went on to say, "religion was supposed to have no place in the Soviet Union" – at least no Christian or Muslim religion. It was only right that tax dollars rebuilt it when it was the previous "State" that destroyed it.

Bottom line? Pussy Riot deserved what they got for what they did.

Now - who was it who put them up to it? They should be next...

Posted by: arthurdecco | Aug 18, 2012 7:14:11 PM | 29

somebody, a church is a private space, even if publicly founded because of its social function; I don't see a matter of free speech in all this; I agree with arthurdecco: it simply was desecration;

two years sentence too much? I don't know, it's up to the Russians and their system to decide; for example, Russia has not executed anyone since 1996

Posted by: claudio | Aug 18, 2012 9:02:49 PM | 30

For an intelligent critique of this situation, you could do worse than read the following:

Russia's "Pussy Riot" Stunt Supported by US State Department

http://poorrichards-blog.blogspot.ca/2012/08/russias-pussy-riot-stunt-supported-by.html

by Tony Cartalucci

landdestroyer.blogspot.com

Blows Chunks out of somebody's pov.

...and I still want to know who "managed" the "band". I want a name because there is always a name... Does anyone read Russian here? You should be able to find out by reading their website. It is THAT PERSON OR PERSONS who started this...

Posted by: arthurdecco | Aug 18, 2012 9:23:38 PM | 31

If pro-Palestinian demonstrators re-enacted the Pussy Riot "demonstration" or "performance" in a US synagogue, they would be labeled "anti-semitic" and arraigned, tried and convicted for "hate crimes."

It's pretty simple to see that free speech is applauded only in certain contexts, when it comes to grotesque statements against establishment, tradition and power.

Posted by: Jeremiah Cornelius | Aug 18, 2012 9:35:35 PM | 32

b,
I watched the video. Two years for that? The five months that they've already served is plenty of punishment. They should be released now.
Mark Gaughan

Posted by: Mark Gaughan | Aug 18, 2012 10:19:49 PM | 33

WWM @ 9.....exactly!

"The same elite is probably running Russia that is running the U.S. Russia is playing the role that the Democrats play in the U.S.--controlled opposition. Russia is being set up as the opposition to American imperialism/hegemony but it's all fake."

been thinking the exact same thought for some time now...

Posted by: ben | Aug 18, 2012 10:45:25 PM | 34

Ben @ 34: I don't know about the 'set-up' (though it is entirely plausible, but regardless, and with apologies to the Left who cannot bear to hear it (which is why you don't and won't), the only real opposition to slavery is Shi'a Islam.

It's pretty simple: if you do not self-surrender to God (Islam), which is what your primordial disposition conduces you to, you surrender to (evil) men.

Posted by: Unknown Unknowns | Aug 18, 2012 11:48:56 PM | 35

Let's not tell Russians (or anyone) what to do.

Posted by: Don Bacon | Aug 19, 2012 12:38:55 AM | 36

Without pressure, nothing changes. Let's protest every bad sentence in the world. Everybody can do it. The more countries protest about other countries' civil rights the better.
Every country can do it :-))

Russia too!

Posted by: somebody | Aug 19, 2012 1:51:21 AM | 37

These obnoxious western funded destabilization campaigners calling themselves a "Punk Rock" group should be sent directly to Siberia. The are Imperialist lackeys bought and paid for by the same forces trying to tear Syria asunder. I have no, zero empathy for them or anyone naive enough to be concerned about them. They are another construct to draw in all the imperial feminists and Democracy now deluded leftists to advocate for more carnage and horror. Plus they suck and are ridiculous.

Posted by: demize! | Aug 19, 2012 1:53:28 AM | 38

Just an fyi people have received harsher sentences for propagating "revisionist history" that would be publishing and disseminating their research, not physically entering a premises and denigrating a religious service. So lets bear that in mind when we talk about harsh sentences. The Orthodox church was severely persecuted during the Soviet era.

Posted by: demize! | Aug 19, 2012 2:02:31 AM | 39

What has to be a true irony, American broadcast news will not even use the word "pussy riot" in their stories. They describe these three women as members of a punk band. Now why would they do that? Obviously, they know that the use of such profanities could jeopardize their license. Talk about upholding free speech principles. What utter hypocrisy.

The Guardian describes this problem today. Even the mainstream print media keep 'pussy' out of their headlines. I think NPR should provoke a first amendment case for all of us and use "pussy riot" in one of their stories. That would be the day,

Posted by: ToivoS | Aug 19, 2012 2:32:11 AM | 40

btw, here is the link to the Guardian article:
http://www.guardian.co.uk/music/us-news-blog/2012/aug/17/media-prim-view-pussy-riot

Posted by: ToivoS | Aug 19, 2012 2:44:46 AM | 41

A fine or a short sentence for disturbing the peace is certainly in order, but that is not the point that the authorities wanted to make.

Putin has showen that he is machiavellian prick of the highest order, his call for "leniency" in this case meant that the courts had to impose a stiff sentence so they appear to be "independent".

And the protest was directed at the Orthodox church for openly embracing putin from the pulpit. I could understand the orthodox church seeking an arrangement with the Soviet state, it was a matter of their continued survival.

But there is no existential threat to the church anymore, and I think their dalliance with politics has totally corrupted them.

Posted by: ralphieboy | Aug 19, 2012 3:37:37 AM | 42

So pervasive is the power of NATO ideology that those involved in this protest needed no prompting to understand that they would be massively rewarded for any publicity that they could give to the anti-Putin forces.
In a sense they have already been rewarded, wrapped in the blanket of media coverage that will protect them, while imprisoned, from harsh treatment. But there is no limit to what will be offered to them after their release. And they have already achieved their hearts' desire, a welcome into the community of artists from such poohbahs of NATO-kult as Madonna, McCartney...who knows they might even get a meeting with George Clooney. Then they can chat about Darfur and the crimes of Islam.

The problem is that these women clearly long to be included in a culture which, although it massacres children daily, has improved upon the torture techniques of the Inquisition and the Gestapo, and wears the mantle that their grandfathers tore from the Nazis' shoulders (world conquest), has rewards for the women who flatter and please it. This is just one more form of that harrowing side effect of Yeltsinism and the looting of Russia: young women, desperate to escape to what they believe is the paradise of americanism, where all live in luxury, offering themselves up for the taking.

No Paseran, reads the T-shirt of the youngest of the three, but she is on Franco's side, in this re run of the siege of Madrid, part of the Fifth Column of shoddy pop culture, the bad rock and roll which was all that you could hear on the radio in the 50s, while Muddy Waters was sweeping the studio floors.

Posted by: bevin | Aug 19, 2012 10:04:09 AM | 43

C'mon,Putin is the Ziowests latest guy to be demonized,and these feminazis with their nonsense are definitely Zio agents,re Kasparov,and of course this all diversion from the Ziomonsters playbook of divide and conquer.
I mean,its all out there,the truth of our modern debacle of total hypocrisy,all to secure the land grabbing of that wacko racist state of insecurity.
Plain as day to those who've awakened from the sleep of fools and ZioBS.
That America had a nationalist the caliber of leader as Putin,who kicked out most of the Zionist criminals from Russia,as we need here.

Posted by: dahoit | Aug 19, 2012 10:20:27 AM | 44

It appears to me that the Russian criminal code allows those found guilty of minor crimes to be paroled after they have served a third of their sentence if they accept their guilt, so I would expect these three to be released in about three months allowing for time already served. If they aren't it is more likely to be because their handlers want them to continue making a political point.

Posted by: blowback | Aug 19, 2012 10:48:48 AM | 45

The hypocrisy of the so-called "Left" never ceases to amaze me in its stark absurdity. Some chick who's interested in the trees posts this on her blog and taunts the newscasters for being cowardly for not wanting to pronounce "Pussy Riot." Ironically though, many chicks don't like the word "Pussy" and will take exception when someone does use it, especially guys. Radical Feminists are the worst about this, but now, it's alright to use the word "Pussy." Yeah, sure, whatever, you fucking hypocrites.

Anyhow, this chick who is uber-concerned for the tress, and chastises newscasters for being afraid to say "Pussy" apparently isn't as concerned for free speech and expression when it comes to her blog. I posted to it saying that when the band was thinking up a name for itself, it was a toss up between Pussy Riot and Cunt Chaos. Guess what? She censored the post, meaning she wouldn't post my satirical comment.

Some days I really hate some people, and this is one of those days.

Here's the video she posted.

http://www.5min.com/Video/NSFW-Femen-Activists-Cut-Down-Cross-in-Kyiv-517445148

Here's her blog, and the blog post she made about the above video:

http://witsendnj.blogspot.com/2012/08/free-pussy-riot-only-time-i-approve.html

Posted by: pl | Aug 19, 2012 1:08:51 PM | 46

Mmmmmmm.. I'm all for semi-naked girls toppling crosses, but, I'm afraid hypocrisy will always be with us.

Posted by: ben | Aug 19, 2012 1:30:22 PM | 47

@UU

apologies to the Left who cannot bear to hear it (which is why you don't and won't), the only real opposition to slavery is Shi'a Islam.

I do UU, I have said that Shi'a Islam will triumph, the chance for militant Islam is long gone (June Venus transition). Want be long before Qatar sees destabilisation. Eid Mubarak (Arabic: عيد مبارك‎, Hindi: ईद मुबारक Persian/Urdu: عید مُبارک, Malayalam: ഈദ് മുബാറക്, Bengali: ঈদ মুবারক) my hearts bleed for you brave Syrian people.

Posted by: hans | Aug 19, 2012 2:25:35 PM | 48

@pl: First of all...you call your comment satire? Satire of what?

"apparently isn't as concerned for free speech and expression when it comes to her blog"

I'm quite genuinely concerned about the right to free speech, which is why I deliberately was arrested for exercising it (trial now scheduled for September: http://witsendnj.blogspot.com/2012/04/eco-block.html)

HOWEVER, my blog is not a public place, it's not a street corner or park. Free speech simply does not apply, so it's not censorship if I choose to not publish a comment (because it is crude and stupid and pointless). My blog belongs to me, and I allow what I want through comments. If you don't understand the distinction then I suggest you go back and re-take that course on Constitutional Law. ...oh, wait...

Posted by: Gail | Aug 19, 2012 2:47:38 PM | 49

Topless girls sawing down crucifixions!!!! Goodness me whatever next. Anybody think this shock stuff is losing its impact? Just me I guess.

Posted by: dh | Aug 19, 2012 2:54:16 PM | 50

this one is a bit different. I simply can't get outraged because someone is less than respectful to people who believe in ghosts. those believers in the supernatural have a very detailed history of being extraordinarily intolerant of views and opinions that are not exactly like their own. so if their feelings are hurt that is just too effin bad.

that said, it appears that these women are desperately seeking attention and the western press is all too happy to run with the story. why is that? because of their name? had they had an un-pronounciable Russian name, would we know about it? Had they done the same thing in favor of Putin would we know about it? Probably not.

of the billions of things that happen every day, someone decided that this was news. I always ask why something is newsworthy.

most importantly, this is Russian business and it matters not a bit what we think about it. it is most likely however part of the image the elite have decided to create for Russia and her prime minister. All the news stories describe the prison where they are to be sent as a gulag......as Claudio says, pathetic

Posted by: dan of steele | Aug 19, 2012 3:26:29 PM | 51

btw Gulag is an acronym, Главное управление исправительно-трудовых лагерей or in english General Directorate of Corrective Labor Camps.

In the US

As the name implies, correctional boot camps are in-prison programs that
resemble military basic training. They emphasize vigorous physical activity, drill
and ceremony, manual labor, and other activities that ensure that participants
have little, if any, free time. Strict rules govern all aspects of conduct and
appearance. Correctional officers act as drill instructors, initially using intense
verbal tactics designed to break down inmates' resistance and lead to
constructive changes.

Three generations of camps. Boot camps proliferated in the late 1980s and
early 1990s. By 1995, State correctional agencies operated 75 boot camps for
adults, State and local agencies operated 30 juvenile boot camps, and larger
counties operated 18 boot camps in local jails.[1]

were there only some kind of punishment for hypocrisy

Posted by: dan of steele | Aug 19, 2012 3:38:51 PM | 52

My blog belongs to me

No, it doesn't. It belongs to google which is a semi-public space, but even that doesn't apply in this case, and you can't use it as a rationalization for your censorship. Pussy Riot/Cunt Chaos is in the news because of issues surrounding freedom of expression and free speech. You censoring a satirical post because you believe it is in poor taste and crude, is not acting in the spirit of free expression, and yet that is what your post was supporting, freedom of expression. The fact that you cannot, and won't, see the hypocritical irony in that boggles the mind. Pull your head out of your ass.

Posted by: pl | Aug 19, 2012 4:33:37 PM | 53

Uhm @Beverly why didn't you post his comment and engage with him AT YOUR SITE, instaed of tracking him down here. I can only surmise that you feel your locale is too rarefied but MOA is the "street corner or park" you allude to. Your parsing of governmental and private free speech strikes me as sophistry. I dont know you or your site but you strike me as someone who might benefit from some incarceration.

Posted by: demize! | Aug 19, 2012 4:46:08 PM | 54

@ralphieboy show me a national leader who isnt a "machiavellian prick of the highest order" and Ill show you a magic unicorn. All nations are led by mafias of some sort, and the most clever and ruthless are the ones who rise to top of such organizations. Is Barack Obama any less a " machiavellian prick of the highest order"? He murders citizens without warrant or process, tortures, and is currently involved in countless wars, low intensity conflicts and destabilization campaigns. Putin may be a prick, but I don't see him engaging in this magnitude of evil. As a prior poster stated he is at least a nationalist. More than I can say about any in our political class who seem to have more allegiance to a quasi colonial outpost. This is why I identify as Post-Left Anarchist, aside from not being sucked into tired identity politics which are designed to be divisive and give me agita to no end.

Posted by: demize! | Aug 19, 2012 4:59:06 PM | 55

@pl, if my blog didn't belong to me, I wouldn't be able to moderate comments, google would. I fully support your right to free speech in public places, which my blog isn't.

demize!, your surmise is incorrect. I assume MOA has the same ability I do, to moderate or remove comments. I wouldn't take it as offensive if mine were removed, and I certainly wouldn't elevate it to an infringement on my free speech. Talk about sophistry.

Posted by: Gail | Aug 19, 2012 5:53:13 PM | 56

Here is another example. Of course, it would have to be NYC! Photos: Pussy Riot Supporters Arrested In NYC

Posted by: Maracatu | Aug 19, 2012 8:57:13 PM | 57

"pussy riot"

complete psyop created by the western democracy agencies
Land Destroyer did a good post on this
I would suggest that the name "pussy riot" was chosen by some PR agency for maximum attention grabbing, especially by men.
Guaranteeing repeated attention time
I left a comment on a news forum which was not allowed, when you read it you will understand.

"What would we all be reading if these women had gone into a synagogue and undertook this same act? Oh yes, then it would have been "anti-semetism" not free speech and "sir" Paul McCartney would have stayed home. The demonization would have been thick and liberal Hope they rot in jail"

Imagine why that comment did not get published?
To top it off some Canadian performer named "peaches" jumped on the "pussy riot" bandwagon

Imagine that breasts and a vagina??
Management perception is a wonderful thing. LOL


Posted by: Penny | Aug 20, 2012 7:08:48 AM | 58

I can see why the West played the second version only, it is much more marketable from a PR perspective.

Posted by: Penny | Aug 20, 2012 7:22:12 AM | 59

Blown out of proportion. These girls knew and expected even longer sentences. When kids call on free speech for disrupting a Christian sermon, they have been spoiled. Free speech is about other things than the right to disrespect churchgoers.

Posted by: Alexander | Aug 20, 2012 8:56:44 AM | 60

Responding to Madonna’s lewd promotion of Pussy Riot’s ‘right of artistic expression,’ Russian deputy Prime Minister Dmitry Rogozin called Madonna a “moralizing whore,” adding, “with age every former slut tries to lecture everyone on morality especially on overseas tours.

priceless!

Posted by: hans | Aug 20, 2012 9:21:47 AM | 61

another favorite *artist* of the west
http://tinyurl.com/8d8rxd4

Posted by: denk | Aug 20, 2012 9:47:58 AM | 62

I can tell you one thing. Those women wouldn't have been treated like that here. They would've been tazed, and body slammed to the hard marble floor. The police wouldn't have run about, entreating the ladies to please desist, wouldn't have allowed that to go on for minutes. Clearly, they would be charged with criminal trespass, disturbing the peace, evading arrest among other charges. Julian Assange is guilty of less, of merely reporting. If our national reporters were reporters and not stenographers for the security state, they'd be troubled by the Assange case, but as it is, they know they have nothing to worry about.

Base, when have Muslims "blasphemed" Christianity?

Posted by: scottindallas | Aug 20, 2012 9:51:24 AM | 63

walter wit, you're conspiracies are just utterly absurd. Frankly, they're so silly, in my mind they utterly undermine your cred, and makes me wonder if you're not an Agent Provocateur. However, your silliness isn't very provocative either. Your JFK ideas are loony tunes; and I don't have strong feelings about that case. Oswald would've had an easy shot from that perspective. Though, others who were in the car said they were in a crossfire. I'm not saying the JFK assassination isn't problematic, just that your theory is fucking stupid. If they were to stage such an event, don't you think they would've framed CUBA? Rather, you suggest a theory where no one benefits

Posted by: scottindallas | Aug 20, 2012 10:14:16 AM | 64

UU 13, I would suggest that Islam has the same understanding of "no head" as the Buddhists. Islam (Sunni/Sufi) is decidedly non hierarchical. Clerics don't speak for the rest of the Mosque, or congregants. In Islam there is much more of a free market of ideas, that you might imagine, and Fatwahs aren't binding, rather they are appeals from one thinker to other putative followers. This is both good and bad, Mosques are non-denominational, austere, and very democratic institutions. But, also trying to control a Mosque thus is more akin to herding cats than something more akin to the Catholic and apostolic Churches.

Posted by: scottindallas | Aug 20, 2012 10:24:01 AM | 65

blowback 45. It bothers me that the haters particularly are considering this sentence as a fait accompli. Rather, as you point out, even Putin has called for leniency, and we have every reason to assume that these girls won't serve their full sentences. I tend to think that Russia should have brusquely carted these girls away, perhaps accidentally handing them off into a wet ravine. Even NPR is reporting that these crazy bitches made many attacks against the Church and the faith that the Russian Orthodox hold dear. As one who doesn't believe in the Trinity, I'm all for challenging faith, but there's a legitimate way to do that, and only by showing respect for the Bible, and articles of faith, can you challenge them. Just as we must appeal to the Dec. of Ind. and the Constitution if we hope to influence a more restrained foreign policy, not by shitting on these documents.

Posted by: scottindallas | Aug 20, 2012 10:51:22 AM | 66

DH 50 If she had strong enough Kegel muscles to whittle that cross down to a toothpick, THEN you've got my attention.

Posted by: scottindallas | Aug 20, 2012 10:55:27 AM | 67

@67. She's lucky she didn't lose a nipple.

Posted by: dh | Aug 20, 2012 11:10:31 AM | 68

ScottinDullass:

I was being facetious, of course. And there is a lot of truth in your post, though there are a lot of generalities too that don't necessarily obtain throughout the whole of Islamdom. And while the Sufi tradition within Sunni Islam has a lot to commend it, with an amazing intellectual output that is slowly being "discovered" by the West (like they "discovered" Amerika), Sunnism itself is dying, being suffocated by the Wahhabi/ Salafi/ Takfiri takeover. By closing the gate of Ejtehad, Sunnism opened the door to the back-door takeover of the Neo-Khawarej Takfiris, to the oint where the traditional Sunnite Moselms's practical choice boils down to having to choose between those assholes and the axis of Shi'a Islam which spans from the Hindu Kush to the Mediterranean. Until now, and for the short and possibly medium term future, they have and will continue to side with the scum. Because the Sunnis have always been kinda slow on the uptake. (It took them 14 centuries to realize that might does NOT make right; and most of them still haven't even gotten that far. As Ross Perot used to say in your neck of the woods, "Its just sad.")

Posted by: Unknown Unknowns | Aug 20, 2012 11:47:32 AM | 69

Because the Sunnis have always been kinda slow on the uptake. (It took them 14 centuries to realize that might does NOT make right; and most of them still haven't even gotten that far. As Ross Perot used to say in your neck of the woods, "Its just sad.")

UU it will be sooner then you envisage, all it takes is to upsurp the "Custodian of the 2 Mosques" and the whole Takfiris and other reactionaries to collapse, that is/will happen. What is the street talk in Iran about the attendance of Iran at the OIS meeting, very little press communique in the open domain besides nonsense of the MSM.

Posted by: hans | Aug 20, 2012 12:35:02 PM | 70

bevin at 43, yes there is something to that - beyond bad rock (the quality of the music is immaterial) and Muddy Waters, fitting into the ‘protestor’ scheme thru ‘music / art/’ is bound to get one a lot of media exposure, a lot of fuss, support, airing on the world stage.

The story becomes news because of the name, the rock connection, the fact that they are girls - overall, raw meat for any anti-Russia, anti-Putin MSM jabs.

PPl world wide support Pussy Riot, there are demos, arrests, and so on.

Fine. But it is just a distraction. Soon ppl will have to vote not just on Eurovision (rigged) but have mob rule on pantie color, guitar chords, words in songs, picking flowers in parks, wearing sunglasses or masks, having smelly feet or not, being properly religious or not, and so on.

Meanwhile, they get screwed. Royally.

Posted by: Noirette | Aug 20, 2012 12:55:55 PM | 71

bevin at 43, yes there is something to that - beyond bad rock (the quality of the music is immaterial) and Muddy Waters, fitting into the ‘protestor’ scheme thru ‘music / art/’ is bound to get one a lot of media exposure, a lot of fuss, support, airing on the world stage.

The story becomes news because of the name, the rock connection, the fact that they are girls - overall, raw meat for any anti-Russia, anti-Putin MSM jabs.

PPl world wide support Pussy Riot, there are demos, arrests, and so on.

Fine. But it is just a distraction. Soon ppl will have to vote not just on Eurovision (rigged) but have mob rule on pantie color, guitar chords, words in songs, picking flowers in parks, wearing sunglasses or masks, having smelly feet or not, being properly religious or not, and so on.

Meanwhile, they get screwed. Royally.

Posted by: Noirette | Aug 20, 2012 12:55:56 PM | 72

I don't know, hans-san, as I try to avoid the freakin streets here. The drivers drive like maniacs. And the summers are so hot. But I have managed to get a (very privileged) pass for the NAM conference, so I will be attending this special event, the highlight of which will be Imam Khamenei's speech. I shall "report back to base", inshallah. But probably over at RFI. If I come up with something juicy or good, I'll cross post.

Posted by: Unknown Unknowns | Aug 20, 2012 1:09:34 PM | 73

My reply to B's opinion would be a profanity-laced insult, so I'll let Base in comment #1 answer for me:

"B - I generally find myself in agreement with you and your opinions. In this case, however, we most definitely differ."

Posted by: Kanzanian | Aug 20, 2012 1:30:03 PM | 74

Madonna, Red Hot Chili Peppers EtAl have no problem playing that war crime masquerading a s a nation though. You wont hear them pontificate about that, But Pete Townsend C'mon mate you're killing this old Mod. Then again the Who played Sun City.

Posted by: demize! | Aug 20, 2012 2:01:25 PM | 75

@Hans Al Quds Masjid is seeing further De jure encroachment as well as the fanatic settlers carrying out acts of De Facto encroachment and desecration. They breach The Haram Al Sharif, soldiers constantly aggressing against and harassing the parishioners. The Christian clergy and holy places arent afforded much more respect as Im sure you know.The only reason they are tolerated at all is Religious tourism, Issa weeps. Israel is currently ethnically cleansing Jerusalem and yet nothing. When this iniquity stands no more this is the dawn of a new era. BTW @Scottindallas you are completely wrong about Oswald. Carlos Hancock the single most proficient sniper this country has ever produced replicated the entire scenario and concluded it was physically impossible.

Posted by: demize! | Aug 20, 2012 2:15:44 PM | 76

I ain't taking a position on whether Oswald acted alone, or anything else here, but seriously, that's a sweet sniper's perch. He wasn't loading black powder

Posted by: scottindallas | Aug 20, 2012 3:18:14 PM | 77

A poorly sighted single bolt action Mannlicher Carcano isnt that much an improvement over a flintlock lol.

Posted by: demize! | Aug 20, 2012 5:02:49 PM | 78

Bahrain Sentences Activist for Unauthorized Protests

A court in Bahrain has sentenced a prominent human rights activist to three years in prison for his role in unauthorized protests.

A lawyer for Nabeel Rajab, who heads the Bahrain Center for Human Rights, said the sentence was based on convictions in three separate cases. The defense plans to appeal the ruling.

Rajab is already serving a three-month sentence after being convicted in July of posting "insulting" comments on the micro-blogging service Twitter.

http://www.voanews.com/content/bahrain-sentences-activist-for-unauthorized-protests/1489286.html

++++++++++++

I don't hear much about this case, which seems even clearer than the Pussy Riot case. This is suppression of free speech WITHOUT tramping on someone's freedom of religion.

Posted by: Susan | Aug 20, 2012 9:31:32 PM | 79

Shitting is speech only on South Park. You might get fined for dumping toxic material on private property, or charged with a hate crime, a law I consider a sorry step down the road to authoritarianism, or disturbing the peace or being a public nuisance. Speech, with a few exceptions, is protected in the Constitution--even insulting or dispicable speech.

Posted by: optimax | Aug 21, 2012 1:55:56 AM | 80

Is that an exception Optimax?

"Brandon Raub is a former Marine who had long been posting on Facebook his belief in a 9/11 conspiracy, chemtrails, that our government is communist, and his distrust of the Illuminati. He likes rap groups and conspiracy theories. He considers himself a Christian and expressed disgust at the TSA pat down of a child last year. Some of his posts, although violent in nature, do not target specific people or groups...

According to Business Insider, the former Marine was taken into custody by members of the FBI, Secret Service and Chesterfield County Police Department this weekend and continues to be held in a psychiatric hospital in Hopewell, Virginia.

Raub told the Times-Dispatch that he served as a Marine in Iraq and Afghanistan from 2005 to 2011, was a combat engineer sergeant and does not own a gun. His mother said he returned from Afghanistan about a year ago and does not have PTSD."


Posted by: somebody | Aug 21, 2012 2:38:13 AM | 81

pussy riot what we havent been told:
'Prior to the women’s trial, Russian President Putin expressed his opinion that the women should not be harshly punished. Taking the cue from Putin, the judge gave the women, deceived and betrayed by the amerikan-financed NGOs, two years instead of seven years.

I am advised that after six months, Putin will see that the women are released. But, of course, that would not serve the propaganda of the Amerikan Empire. The instructions to the Washington-financed fifth column in Russia will be to make any government leniency for Pussy Riot impossible.'
http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article32236.htm

Posted by: brian | Aug 21, 2012 3:55:40 AM | 82

Base and the rest of the profanity wishing ...chill out and read my post above

Posted by: brian | Aug 21, 2012 3:57:11 AM | 83

Where are CNN, Fox, ABC, NBC, CBS, BBC, the NYT, The Washington Post, and MSNBC on this one?

http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/lookout/valedictorian-denied-diploma-speech-hell-134805221.html

Posted by: pl | Aug 21, 2012 7:01:13 AM | 84

"Base and the rest of the profanity wishing ...chill out and read my post above"

That makes no difference. The punishment for what they did should be AT MOST a fine, but there should be NO prison time. From what I could see, they didn't hurt anyone or destroy any property so ANY jail time is ridiculous.

Posted by: Kanzanian | Aug 21, 2012 11:03:14 AM | 85

somebody

I agree that our civil liberties are being encroached on in the guise of an undeclared war but in reality by a government afraid of its own citizens. I am against authoritarian control by the government and will not support it even if such authority represents an ideology I otherwise find attractive.

I'm afraid more Raubs will be thrown into psyche wards because more people will complain about behavior they find dispicable and fewer will protest. We are losing our constitutional rights because people willingly surrender them in their desire for safety and convenience.

Just because our government hypocrically denounces Pussy Riots punishment doesn/t make their punishmnet just.

Posted by: optimax | Aug 21, 2012 11:22:38 AM | 86

Their punishment and crime were adjudicated under Russian law. This mantra of "free speech" seems as specious as our Feminist Blogger's above. The speech per se isnt being prosecuted but the action of "hooliganism". They weren't arrested for speaking in a public place they were arrested for commandeering the alter of a church and demeaning the religion of the parishioners. It seems that this collectives bits of "performance art" seem to recruit unwilling passers by into their profound statements whether they like it or not. Id dont like the idea of throwing cats, but would like it less if one was thrown at me. I assure then at least one of this "collective" would be going to the hospital. They would be sentenced to life without parole if acting like assholes were a crime.

Posted by: demize! | Aug 21, 2012 2:22:31 PM | 87

"They would be sentenced to life without parole if acting like assholes were a crime."
Posted by: demize!

If that comment is reflective of your mindset, you'd get the death penalty for being an asshole.

Posted by: Kanzanian | Aug 21, 2012 3:19:37 PM | 88

Dude Combat Liberalism.

Posted by: demize! | Aug 21, 2012 4:37:09 PM | 89

demoneyes,

So you want gomint to protect you from having your feelings hurt? It's rather pathetic that some faux-conservatives complain about the nanny state intruding on their freedoms and at the same time demand gomint protect them from having to live in a world with people whose thoughts and actions offend their morals, don't physically harm them, but hurt their delicate little psyches.

Posted by: optimax | Aug 21, 2012 6:13:29 PM | 90

You two arent the brightest bulbs in the bunch are you. What about they entered chuch property and deliberately trespassed and offended dont you understand? If they went into a Synagouge and started singing about the holocaust being "shit,shit,shit" they would be being castigated by the likely suspects as well as recovering in the hospital before their lengthy prison sentences. This is all beside the fact that they are a bought and paid for color revolution agents whose mission is to destabilize and stir up shit. That usually ends up with misery all around except for a small clique. Also "combat liberalism is a Maoist terminology you friggen dimwit. I suggest you look it up it might do you some good. "Demoneyes" you really should be at Huffington Post or something , did you get lost?

Posted by: demize! | Aug 21, 2012 7:47:44 PM | 91

Just in case its not clear enough: they were not arrested in a public square or park doing their schtick,they were in a Church during Mass fwiu. Let me make it clearer, if they were being offensive in another venue those offended could roll their eyes and move on. They brought their traveling roadshow to a captive audience, as it seems is habitual with these counter revolutionary foreign agents. Did you guys watch Kony 2012 and buy it hook line and sinker? Because this requires the same level of naivete.

Posted by: demize! | Aug 21, 2012 7:57:44 PM | 92

If you are the product of reading Mao, no thanks. It's fun seeing you jump around 'cause your panties are in a bunch.

Posted by: optimax | Aug 21, 2012 8:16:23 PM | 93

Thats a really stupid and offensive expression. Strikes me as homphobic, If we were face to face I might take them off and jam them down your neck.

Posted by: demize! | Aug 21, 2012 8:58:10 PM | 94

You make me laugh. Go on and try to shove your panties down my neck. You speakee good English.

Posted by: optimax | Aug 21, 2012 9:59:28 PM | 95

Interesting nobody has considered the possibility that Pussy Riot is really a Putin Riot. After all, cui bono? What could be better for Putin than two weeks prior to the election a bunch of vulgarians aligned with the opposition invade one of Russian Orthodoxy's most sacred shrines to put on a gaudy protest against Putin and Patriarch Kiril? The only thing better would be having the Western media, politicians and other assorted hypocrites rush to their defense.

Suddenly Kiril's $30,000 watch and Putin's palace are forgotten as the Russian people unite in horror at what they perceive as a Western attack against their dignity and traditions. This was a major domestic political victory for Putin and the ultra conservative elements in Russian society he is aligned with.

Most conservatives in the West and quite a few leftists seem to agree with the verdict if not the severity of the sentencing. At best this was a distraction for liberals who rally around this sort of horseshit while waiting on Obama or some other tool to fix our problems. So no real propaganda victory for the West and Putin can still neutralize that by giving these girls a pardon.

The only establishment loser in this farce was the Russian court system, which came out looking like an ass. The sentence was too harsh by any rational standard. That fact does not change regardless whether Pussy Riot would have gotten the same or worse treatment in the West. The trial included:

1. A 2700 page indictment.
2. Accusations of blasphemy so ridiculous that a quote from John, 10:33 was included in their criminal file: "For a good work we stone thee not; but for blasphemy; and because that thou, being a man, makest thyself God" essentially comparing Pussy Riot to Jesus.
3. Soviet-style mental health character assassination: Pussy Riot members were accused of having a "Mixed Personality Disorder" which includes: “proactive approach to life,” “a drive for self-fulfillment,” “stubbornly defending their opinion,” “inflated self-esteem,” “inclination to opposition behavior,” and “propensity for protest reactions.” Try finding that one in the DSM-IV.
4. A three hour dirge from the judge reading the sentence.

All this for an offense that at worst would have been tried as disorderly conduct in the US and dismissed with a fine or a few days jail time.

When Act Up activists invaded St Patrick's Cathederal in New York City during a mass, they were given a fine even though they threw a communion wafer on the floor. Westboro Baptist Church members have never to my knowledge been sentenced to imprisonment for offenses far worse than Pussy Riot's and where the question of hate speech should not be in doubt. They have staged their protests at funerals, multiple churches, the Holocaust museum and some synagogues, so let's put to rest the idea that Pussy Riot would definitely be sent to prison if they pulled it here.

The "justice" system in the US and the UK is a farce but let's not overstate the case.

Posted by: Sean | Aug 22, 2012 4:21:43 PM | 96

anyone know the ethnicity of these wenches? xtian? jew? I can pretty much guarantee they are NOT muslim.
the ultimate litmus test is this: lets have a bunch of criminal trespassing 'freedom maidens' enter a synogogue during shabbat prayers and take a $hit on a copy of the torah or the talmud and see what happens? sort of like the 'piss christ' exhibit or when seinfeld had a pic of virgin mary splashed with urinal pee, except do it during a live event- like the pussy ho's.
bigger agenda here could also be passage of the UN res banning 'hate' against religions- something that would benefit the zionists brilliantly and for which they have been pushing for decades (begun in the 1970's under genocide act).

Posted by: liam | Aug 24, 2012 12:25:33 PM | 97

optimax, @95, surely you protest too much...

demize! nailed you to the wall. You were just too dim-witted to recognize the truth of his assault on your propagandistic idiocy is all... Go ahead and splurt. It won't change the facts.

Hate, fear and wilful ignorance do strange things to some people's minds, don't they?

Posted by: arthurdecco | Aug 25, 2012 10:14:20 PM | 98

Posted by: liam | Aug 24, 2012 12:25:33 PM | 97
Xtian is not an ethnicity...as for 'jew'...isnt that a racist implication?

Posted by: brian | Aug 26, 2012 1:08:55 AM | 99

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