Syria: Assad Attacks Erdogan
Each time the Syrian opposition meets to show a united face it turns out to be less united than ever. Yesterday's meeting even included fist fights and flying shoes.
With each such stunts the opposition will lose outside support. That is good for Syria.
Meanwhile Bashar Assad, in an interview with the Turkish daily Cumhurieyt, started a full attack on Erdogan. In the first part of the interview he emphasized friendship with the Turkish people. In the second part he accuses Erdogan of having a "sectarian mentality" and of being merely a stooge for the United States-Israel-Gulf axis:
President al-Assad: [...] Today, Erdogan is shedding the tears of hypocrites for the Syrian people. Why hasn’t he cried for those killed in some Gulf countries, although they are innocent, peaceful and unarmed? Why isn’t he speaking about democracy in some Gulf countries?Journalist: Which country?
President al-Assad: Qatar, for instance. Why didn’t he do anything after the Marmara ship incident except shouting? Why did he challenge Israel, and then suddenly agreed to deploy the missile shield in Turkey? Did he deploy it in order to protect Turkey from the attack of a hostile country? Did America build these bases in order to protect itself against this region? Which country in the region has the capability to threaten America? No country. So, the answer is that he deployed it to protect Israel. These circumstances revealed Erdogan’s reality, no more, no less. Erdogan hasn’t changed. What has changed is the way the people of the region look at him. He has failed on the Arab arena. He no longer exists, neither him nor his credibility.
A good interview (which Erdogan tried to prevent) and recommended reading.
This, and the sorry state of the opposition, will increase the pressure on Erdogan to change course and to stop the support of the opposition. That will not happen immediately. But when the Syrian army has pushed the insurgents back into the Turkish border zone the question of further escalation or folding will have to be answered by Erdogan. My bet is that he will fold.
Posted by b on July 4, 2012 at 14:30 UTC | Permalink
« previous pageHa!!! Frustration's now setting in..Just saw Billary blatantly threatening Russia and China over Syria..She said "Russia and China must be made to pay the price for their support of the Syria 'regime'"..
I don't know what any of you think about this but this woman will very easily start WW3 over some dumb project that's not going well for her..It gets even better, the new French "regime" is also calling for the resignation of Assad..And we all thought Sarkozy was out of the Élysée Palace..It's a clear case of meet the new boss, same as the old boss.lol
(http://presstv.com/detail/2012/07/06/249585/france-urges-assad-resignation/)
Posted by: Zico | Jul 6 2012 12:18 utc | 102
Good stuff.......these are basic assumptions that are taken for granted elsewhere and it needs this kind of scrutiny and discussion.
I've heard through the Grapevine that Wikileaks is about to unload a bevy of confidential info. about circumcision, male or otherwise. Now that should be interesting.
I agree with Debs that the West, however one wants to describe that linguistically inadequate descriptor, has no business intervening in Syrian internal affairs, especially considering the West's ulterior motives. I also agree with Debs that just because that is my stance, neither do I support the Assad regime, which appears to me from all of my research, to be tyrannical and authoritarian. That's just my opinion about Syria, and I know it doesn't mean jack shit to anyone, and me holding that opinion will make no difference in what's happening in, and to, Syria, but that shouldn't preclude me from holding that opinion.
I am suspicious of Wikileaks for all the reasons Hu Bris, Walter and Zico state.
Although I find Debs theory of Oswald being the Lone Assassin for the reasons he stated an interesting take, I don't agree with it. Yes, the JFK assassination is so permeated with disinformation, we will never know the whole truth, and nothing but the truth, but there is too much evidence to prove Oswald couldn't have acted alone, imo. I agree with Debs assessment of Saint JFK....that he is held up by the so-called "Left" in the West as some sort of mythical figure, when he was anything but.
Finally, I feel for the "Little People" of Syria, and the "Little People" everywhere, who are mere pawns in this chessboard of carnage and destruction visited upon all of us by the Plutocracy.
In regard to Syria, the most important question to me, and I've yet to find an adequate answer anywhere, is what happened to Syria and the West's relationship on the way to the Forum? They were once very close, and Syria was a trusted contracted torturer for the CIA. What went so terribly wrong with these two former lovers?
Syria: From valued ally to ‘vicious enemy’
This is just a crazy hunch, but I'm certain that the answer has something to do with Iran and Israel, but it's the detailed specifics that interest me the most, and they're a bit more difficult to come by, and I seriously doubt Wikileaks could, or would, provide those answers.
Posted by: pl | Jul 6 2012 12:49 utc | 103
"I also agree with Debs that just because that is my stance, neither do I support the Assad regime, which appears to me from all of my research, to be tyrannical and authoritarian."
That's all well and good but right now Syria is facing an external attack that is intent on breaking up the Syrian state and fomenting civil war. Right now the choice, however unpalatable it may be, is between the guy who seeks to preserve that state...however imperfect he and that state may be...and the western powers who seek to destroy it.
Posted by: Lysander | Jul 6 2012 13:57 utc | 104
I've heard through the Grapevine that Wikileaks is about to unload a bevy of confidential info. about circumcision, male or otherwise. Now that should be interesting.
Oh Lordy - I might absent myself for THAT discussion ;-)
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I agree with Debs that the West, however one wants to describe that linguistically inadequate descriptor, has no business intervening in Syrian internal affairs, especially considering the West's ulterior motives. I also agree with Debs that just because that is my stance, neither do I support the Assad regime, which appears to me from all of my research, to be tyrannical and authoritarian. That's just my opinion about Syria, and I know it doesn't mean jack shit to anyone, and me holding that opinion will make no difference in what's happening in, and to, Syria, but that shouldn't preclude me from holding that opinion."
I agree wholeheartedly with your sentiments on Western interference. and just because I laugh at the Western propaganda does not mean I support Assad - but as I said earlier, IMHO he's likely looking a lot more acceptable to the majority of syrians than the absolutely psychopathic FSA. Admittedly that's just MY opinion and I have no way of actually knowling if my guess about the desires of the Syrian people is correct - like I say, it's a guess, but looking at Libya and the behaviour of the FSA in Syria (lead by the same proven CIA asset, Mahdi al harat, that led the slaughter in Libya, and prior to that hid out in Ireland and was robbed of a couple of hundred grand recently - where did he get THAT then?) who would wnat to be ruled by THEM?
IMHO any sane Syrian would prefer to hang onto Assad for a little while longer rather than throw themselves onto the not-so-tender mercies of the FSA.
But I have no real hard evidence to back that up
They were once very close, and Syria was a trusted contracted torturer for the CIA. What went so terribly wrong with these two former lovers?
Well you caould ask the same about Libya - Ghaddaffi too appears to have helped the US torture people - what happened there too?
IMHO Syria is just too much of a perceived threat to the Isrealis - and no matetter what you've done to help the empire in the past if the Israelis don't like you then out you go, it appears
There's also the whole Clash of Civilisation crap - It seems important to certain people that Arab nations never appear to the western public to be able to peacefully or sucessfully run their own affairs - seems to be part of the "the arab/muslim mind is not built for Democracy' narrative
Posted by: Hu Bris | Jul 6 2012 14:02 utc | 105
Posted by: slothrop | Jul 5, 2012 1:59:00 PM | 49
if memory is correct-arent you the same one who awhile back who posted that Alawites were sunnis ???
Posted by: vatick | Jul 6 2012 14:11 utc | 106
hu bris
*Well you could ask the same about Libya - Ghaddaffi too appears to have helped the US torture people - what happened there too?*
there's a msg in the cruelty.
*For showing similar insolence, Saddam Hussein and Muammar Gaddafi were barbarically and publically killed, with their final moments broadcast to the world as a warning. .*
http://tinyurl.com/75dz5df
uncle scam
*its my way or the highway*
the burmese government got it, loud n clear
another chinese *ally* bites the dust ;-(
http://tinyurl.com/6vj33h7
Posted by: denk | Jul 6 2012 15:16 utc | 107
Debs;To make your day;It's alCIAda,a proven and accurate assessment of the most destructive and evil agency in world history,with not one documented success for America,other than death,lies and destruction,and the Nazgul of the world.And Mossad is their imitator and step child.
And since they both were created at around the same time,possibly linked in their affirmation of some are more equal than others,the reality is that they are actually lost human souls,and devoid of human goodness and mercy,and set up alCIAda to enhance the security of those insecure monsters.
But they like dogs I've heard,at least alCIAda, Mossad likes bombs on dogs back's to blow up innocents.Until every human on earth is secure from violence,no one will be secure.Very simple,in this age of Bullsh*t.
Posted by: dahoit | Jul 6 2012 15:54 utc | 110
Hu Bris, thank you for your constructive response. Yes, the same can be said of Libya's former leader and his relationship with the West, but the relationship was a bit different than Syria's relationship with the West. The Syrian leadership under the Assad dynasty has never been nearly as radical and in your face provocative as was the leader of Libya to the West.
And yes denk, of course, if you don't play by the rules, then the West will lay a path of destruction to your doorstep and continue on in to the family room, bathroom, bedroom, every room in the house, actually....and even to your spider hole.
But, and this is a very important but, what are the rules as they relate to Syria and the West, and which of those rules did Assad break to put himself in such bad graces with the West? Is it about Syria and Assad at all, or is it about getting to Iran?
Turkey's interest in this is obvious to me. The leadership of Turkey, i.e. Erdogan and gang, are positioning themselves to take advantage of the spoils if, and when, the country descends into chaos, much the same way the U.S. positioned itself to take advantage of the spoils of Western Europe once they realized the Soviet Union could, and was going to, defeat Germany after the battle of Stalingrad.
Posted by: pl | Jul 6 2012 15:55 utc | 111
"Russia and China must be made to pay the price for their support of the Syria 'regime'"
What price would that be? The U.S. won't allow them to manufacture all of its needless and useless shit anymore? The U.S. won't sell them treasuries as a temporary depository for their excess trade funds? China's been the goose that has laid the U.S.'s golden egg for the past twenty plus years. Why would you kill such a wonderful golden goose, unless, of course, it's all just talk to make good theatre, when behind the scenes, there's a wink and a nod to those who are the recipients of the public admonishment.
Posted by: pl | Jul 6 2012 16:09 utc | 112
If Wikileaks and Assange are unimportant and no threat to the ziomonsters,what's with the attempts to shut em up?alCIAda connected sluts,British media hatred,machinations for rendition etc?
That video of the helicopter massacre sure melted approval for that Iraq disaster neh?Hezbollah given the light of day to express their just cause certainly didn't make the ziomonsters smile neh?And I'm sure these Syrians revelations that reveal our involvement won't make their crummy day either.
Today the monsters say they will target the civilians of Lebanon in any new attack.(what else is new?)Divide and conquer.
Posted by: dahoit | Jul 6 2012 16:12 utc | 113
pl
remember the *five yr plan to control seven countries* scheme as related by general wesley clark ?
im sure u heard about this hullabaloo of amerikka *pivotting* back to asia too ?
seems that obama has been executing this pnac manifesto down to a tee....n then some.
bush must be green with envy ;-)
http://tinyurl.com/2dcgj
Posted by: denk | Jul 6 2012 16:19 utc | 114
Hu Bris and Lysander, we appear to be on the same wave length regarding Syria. We don't like what the regime has been doing all these years but today we like even less what the Wet is trying to do to the regime. We have enough of the mess created by the West in Afghansitan, Pakistan, Libya, Egypt, Bahrain, Yemen and so on without adding Syria to the list. Removing Assad from the presidency would make Syria worse than any of them. Nonetheless, Assad should step down in 2 years.
Posted by: www | Jul 6 2012 16:20 utc | 115
dahoit, that's a valid point, and one worth discussing further. However, an equally valid point can be made that if Assange is the literal threat he's claimed to be, how is he even still alive? And let's not pretend that Western and Israeli intelligence services are incompetent and incapable when it comes to getting their man. Look what happened to Litvinenko. How is it that Assange hasn't also met a peculiar death?
Posted by: pl | Jul 6 2012 16:23 utc | 116
Prove a negative why wasn't Assange murdered? OR Say you loathe and disrespect amerikan imperialism and its bastard child the cia, yet credit them with god-like omnipotence on all things that happen which doesn't suit your personal political agenda.
I wonder how many of these 'contributors' ever set foot outside their home and if they have ever interacted with 'intelligence' or security' services? Not many or they would quickly be disabused about intelligence organisational competence.
Sure there are a few smart careerists contained within these organisations, though the vast majority of them have the insight of a mr plod, and even worse the organisational structures, long protected by both halves of the neo-liberal oligarchy, rewards 'agents' with promotion for time served in a way that other government funded organisations have not been allowed to enjoy since the 1970's.
So what? Well it means that these mythical three letter alphabet soup agencies are overstaffed and incompetent and they make more mistakes than they ever 'kick goals'.
And once one understands that one also comes to see that the huge multi-tentacled conspiracies that some of the peeps on this board spend their lives dreaming up, albeit with nothing more than an over-fed paranoia and access to self selected 'facts' only exist in the minds of the paranoid fantasiser.
Assange probably wasn't killed because, believe it or not, some politician or senior intelligence official concluded that may not have played well in the minds of joe citizen. Sure they probably regret it now but that's how things can pan out when yer human. I'm sure some assholes would have argued for liquidation, but I imagine 'wiser' heads may have prevailed so the decison was made to discredit him instead. Trouble was that meant getting Sweden and their poorly understood justice system and england and its equally arcane but completely different legal system, in sync - the result has been what it is. If it had worked, discrediting Assange would have been a much more effective option. Which is why I suspect the Syria docu dump may have that as an adjunct.
After 911 the amerikans flew around the world beating up pols and demanding a hassle free comprehensive anti-terror law and improved extradition rules. How do I know this? Cause I remember when they came here. GO and check it out for where you live & likely you'll see it happened. The englanders who jumped in with glee thanks to the bliar, have been haemmoraging citizens, fuckers of all sorts and sizes dragged off to amerika on dodgy trumped up charges most of which have nothing to do with terror, ever since they signed up. That may have given the englander mob pause about sending assange straight there, since englanders have been getting vocal about extraditions of peeps a lot less sympathetic than assange long before WL became a problem.
Where I live the law changes have been more problematic; proportional representation has caused an anomoly; that is the neo-lib agenda hasn't managed to construct a water tight duopoly as they have in most first past the post 'democracies' along with some more established & corrupted PR nations.
So the laws here weren't as watertight as amerika would have liked. There has been one attempted prosecution under anti-terror law and it didn't end well for the state.
As for the extradition thing, well a few changes were made after some big time Chinese smack dealer who retired here in the noughties was unable to be extradited to amerika for sending a few tonnes of heroin there in the 90's, but it is still a fraught process for the unwary. Extradition is possible but requires a well co-ordinated effort. I am talking about what goes on where I live because that is what I am most familiar with up close tho it is likely that the empire has problems in many other states in very different ways.
They can get what they want if they are smart enough to go about it the right way. Guess what? . . . they aren't that smart. Not just the local dingbats - the empire's pro-consuls are frequently dimmer than an environmentally sound light fitting.
Right now in Aotearoa we have a bloke who the FBI wanted destroyed because he owned Megaupload, the preferred file sharing site for a large slice of the world's 'retail' media downloaders.
The feds spent well over a year putting the case together here, buying local pols, and indoctrinating law enforcement & wording up judges. The number 1 defendant, a bloke by the name of Kim Dotcom (somehow I guess he wasn't born with that name) migrated here from germany a few years back.
We checked him out when he arrived because he was throwing money at assorted pols some of whom I prefer to see struggling for money. The bloke seemed alright he is just a greedhead with no distinct political agenda and is an equal opportunity politician purchaser.
Anyway despite millions of US dollars of resources and all the weight of hollywood being placed on the whitehouse to in turn lean on the neo-liberal pricks who run this joint, the case is falling apart.
Dotcom himself is having a grand old time exposing government MP's who took money from him the courts are likely now under pressure from the Government to make the whole thing go away hence the ruling.
Dotcom has taken to using social media to 'speak' directly to citizens and it is working, he has been adopted by the same dropkicks who were calling him a gangster a couple months back. The govt ,already in the shit over its egregious & corrupt business dealings, is going down the gurgler fast and they are desperate to get out from the shit sandwich they made putting themselves in the middle between washington bullies and the self made bully Dotcom.
My guess is that by the time the thing gets to court in amerika a deal will have most of the money (less a mob of lawyers' big bung) returned, Dotcom wearing a minor charge, so everyone will claim a victory.
The amerikan homeland security mob could have got the lot if they had spent just a bit of time sussing out the landscape but as they do everywhere, they went in boots and all and fucked up big time. Hubris. (where have I seen that b4?)
The same sort of arrogant fuck up is likely to have happened with Assange.
The mistake so many have been making about wikileaks is imagining it was 'on the side of the left' or the right or any political agendas.
I dunno about others but I had been using the site for a long time before the amerikan stuff got released and WL has always just published whatever they get as soon as veracity has been established. (this is a skill many of us here would profit from dev eloping)
Probably intelligence agencies have tried to use WL for some things, although, since it didn't have a huge readership before the helicopter vid, it is difficult to believe it was a major vector for intelligence agencies.
Some of you peeps are like children. WL didn't publish exactly what you wanted them to, so therefore they must be 'baddies' in the pay of intelligence or elites. The same old binary bullshit. If that is black and i don't like it I must be white, and everything I don't like must be black. For fucks sake grow up.
Step out yer door and get some experience of humans, how they interact. Recognise one of the reasons superstitious types invented a religion where their mythical god is perfect and omnipotent, is because no human or human construct has ever had those qualities.
Making a perfect god seemed like a good solution to the age old question "what would you know about it then?"
You dingbats can construct the same imaginary device and call it 'the cia' or 'amerikan intelligence' or even 'the elite conspiracy' but you won't convince me or for that matter anyone else with half a brain that such perfection exists outside of human delusion.
These organisations screw the pooch every day, so accusing a peep of being one of them because he hasn't been murdered by them is facile beyond words. 'Thinkers' like that make the tasks these spooks attempt easier. This sort of witless wittering enables exactly what you all claim to oppose.
Since it is impossible to conceive that any of you could separate your ego from your intellect long enough to objectively consider what I have written, I am gonna stop with the discussion from my side.
Life calls, there are real people outside this cyber space who are being fucked over by the machine, I prefer to put most energy there.
Posted by: Debs is dead | Jul 7 2012 2:08 utc | 117
This video show Mohdy Elharaty a Libyan terrorist on Jazeera & a recent video of him in #Idleb #Syria fighting with FSA
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K9EaHwgVxm4&feature=youtu.be
A video of an explosion was used by ZDF tv & ARD tv one claiming it's in #Homs, the 2nd saying it's in Kabul.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a_fWq-jldWs
Posted by: brian | Jul 7 2012 3:31 utc | 119
Senator McCain in Beirut Thursday called for a safe zone to be set up in Lebanon for the FSA to "organize its affairs and treat its wounded". When the Lebanese reacted negatively to this, he backtracked on Friday and said that he didn't mean for the safe area to be in Lebanon, but in Jordan and Turkey.
Now the people in Lebanon are ok, but those of Jordan and Turkey are screaming at McCain's amended suggestion. McCain says he wants the safe areas because the Russians are arming the Syrian government against "freedom fighters".
Posted by: www | Jul 7 2012 6:19 utc | 121
And the ankle-biters claim another valuable voice. I can't blame you, Debs, but I wish you'd stick around.
Posted by: Biklett | Jul 7 2012 6:26 utc | 122
debs
*The mistake so many have been making about wikileaks is imagining it was 'on the side of the left' or the right or any political agendas*
debs
i've posted this before, perhaps u missed it
a tam, tibet activists staffed outfit does has a very focused agenda n specific target
Posted by: denk | Jul 7 2012 15:04 utc | 123
Dahoit:
If Wikileaks and Assange are unimportant and no threat to the ziomonsters,what's with the attempts to shut em up?alCIAda connected sluts,British media hatred,machinations for rendition etc?"
That statement has so much utter bullshit mixedup it's laughable
regarding the 'sluts' you mentioned - since neither you nor I were there, and since there WERE 2 of them, I doubt Assanges behaviour was all that innocent - though I personally feel that 'rape' is a little too strong, but then it was not you or I he was attempting to pork without a condom and without permission, so your or my opinion doesn't really count for much
But here's a thought - what if Assange REALLY is a total asshole that would try that with two different women and what if he just happened to be unlucky enough to try that with someone that was a bit of a vindictive asshole herself and decided that she'd make him pay for trying to have sex with her in a way that she did not like, and had actually signalled that she really didn't want him to do?
And what if that woman actually knew of a man-hating lesbian Police officer that would help her out in her revenge on someone she considers a total asshole? Obviously the one of the first 2 prosecutors has an axe to grind, but again that could be a Rad-Fem axe and not qa CIA-axe. What if it's all just a bunch of unlikebale women out to get revenge on an unlikable man, Assange, for behaving like a total scumbag with 2 different women?
Obviously there's other poiliticised assholes jumping on the 'Get Assange for rape' bandwaggon - but, maybe if he'd treated both women a little better then he maybe wouldn't be in that situation.
Then there's the so-calleed "British media hatred" - sorry I ain't seen much of that - don't know what British media you've beeen consuming but there's certainly been no concerted 'British Media Hatred" campaign going on. I challange anyone to provide proof that there has.
So I call "Bullshit" on that one - I've seen a whole range of British media opinion, pre and post rape claims. Prior to the rape claims he was definitely being made a Hero of by the vast majority of the British Press.
Post Rape claims a fair bit of that supoport wavered, but my impression of the British media's reporting on Assange post-rape-claims is that even still the majority of it has been praising or defending him - some of the rightwing press and some of the feminist/'right-on' left have attacked him, but even then pretty midly in the main poart considering he's facing 'rape ' charges, but overall he's had a damn easy ride for a man that's been accused of sexually assaulting/raping not one but two women.
But despite my 'What If's " above, the truth is that only Assange and both of those women know what went on, so I can make no comment on the veracity of those allegations other than what I said above.
And as for the so-called "machinations for rendition etc?" WTF are you talking about?
What "machinations for rendition etc?" Cos I ain't seen any at all - absolutely none.
What I HAVE seen is Assange being involved in an extradition case (one I happen to think is a little dodgy also, but so what ? - it by no means equals 'rendition' - do you even know what 'rendition' usually entails? )
All that has happened so far is that the Swedes have requested his extradition, and the Brits have said "ok" - no one else has requested anything with regard to him being extradited anywhere else.
(or 'renditioned' as you like to call it, though it ain't nothing like 'rendition' that he's facing - that's just a Fan-Boi's way of bullshitting so as to big-up his hero)
- but so far the main person talking about 'rendition' is Assange himself. He is original source for these claims. Prior to him waffling on about it no one else was mentioning it.
Just like the sole source for ALL claims that the US actually IS planning to kill him is also Assange himself. He claimed that some (conveniently un-named) Aussie Intelligence agent told him this - Really Julian? and why exactly should anyone believe you?
You Assange-Fan-Bois would literally swallow anything this ashole puts in your mouths, wouldn't you.
So far the only real punishment Assange has suffered is spending about 48 hours in gaol - and to be honest about half the people I grew up with have spent at least 2 nights in a prison or police cell for one reason or another.
It's hardly incarceration and tortue in Guantanamo FFS - get a grip on reality
Posted by: Hu Bris | Jul 8 2012 3:44 utc | 124
"Well it means that these mythical three letter alphabet soup agencies are overstaffed and incompetent and they make more mistakes than they ever 'kick goals'."
and yet curiously these 'incompetent' people have somehow managed to topple about 6-8 differnt Gov't in that last several years - and most of those in thae last 12 months or so - not at all bad a bunch of suppossed 'incompetents'
I'm pretty damn sure that a bunch of people that can plan years in advance and manage co-ordinated media vilification campaigns, arrange for the long-term training of so-called 'Activists' in Gene Sharp 'regime change' methods could EASILY arrange for a 'Hero-Hacker' acting as a disinformnation conduit to suddenly appear on the scene with a load of suppossed Gov't 'Secrets' he wants to pimp to a bunch of gulliblke fan-bois, which conveniently contains lot's of 'info' damaging to targets of the US Gov't and very little that harms the US Gov't itself, (despite all of ridiculous pretence by both the Media &Assange that it does)
It really doesn't take much to arrange something like that, IF you happen to run the LARGEST State Security Service in the world and have a compliant media (which they DEFINTIELY do have) which owns MOST of the English speaking Newspapers and English speaking TV in the World, now does it?
Only a complete idiot, or a liar (or both), would claim otherwise, and sure enough there's Debs doing just that
Posted by: Hu Bris | Jul 8 2012 4:00 utc | 125
One thing you fan-bois seem not to be at all bothereed with is
"Just where the hell is Assange getting all of this info?"
Cos it certainly ain't still comming from Bradley Manning - if any of ever did in the first place
the latest dump contains 'info/cables' from 2012 and Manning has been incarcerated since well before 2012 - so who the hell is supplying him with these cables?
None of you seem to have thought about THAT part of the question, from what I can see - certainly none of you have addressed that so far in this thread
Do you people seriously really think that behind Assange is an Army of 'Hacker Heroes' busting into US Gov't servers and grabbing everything they can find?
Or maybe you geniuses think that some intrepid hacker has managed to tap into whatever transport method is used to move these cables about (electronic or otherwise)and have then managed to kick the crap out of the US Gov't State of the Art Encryption with a couple of souped-up laptops?
Or Maybe you cutting-edge brain-Sturmers think he has a whole line of willing 'whistleblowers/Snitches' inside the US Defence/Diplomatic establishment just queing up to hand him juicy bundles of classified material, dating right up to 2012?
Seriosuly I'd LOVE to hear how you guys think he gets his hands on this stuff, cos it really is really really really really really really really really really really really reallyreally really really really really really really really unlikely to be ANY of the above.
And as for the Syrian Gov't communications - I'm fairly sure they ain't using Gmail or Facebook or twitter to keep in touch with each other, so someone must be exploiting their comms network, which would most likely be encrypted - (Maybe they all have blackberry's? If so then how is it ending in Assange's hands? )
Military-grade encryption is fairly easy to obtain these days,
Soooooooo, unless you Fan-Bois are going to argue that the Syrian Gov't are not using ANY encryption at all ( and I doubt even Debs it THAT stupid) , then it really is VERY unlikely that anyone but a State Security Service is cracking Syrian Gov't encryption, and then feeding that stuff straight to little old boy-wonder Julian
SO how does he get it?
The most straight-forward, LEAST complicated answer is that the US Gov't feeds it to him themsleves -
Posted by: Hu Bris | Jul 8 2012 4:29 utc | 126
PL @103
'I also agree with Debs that just because that is my stance, neither do I support the Assad regime, which appears to me from all of my research, to be tyrannical and authoritarian. '
not it isnt..and i do with people would stop throwing around words lik tyrannical ad authoritian...esp when used against independent states...but NOT used against so called 'democracies'...when have the 'democracies' rulers ever sought to have their policies vetted by the electorate? only at election time?
Syria is less of an authoritian state than the US...the difference is that the former has a US embassy in its territory to create and fund dissident groups used to promote the idea the target govt is authoritian...
Posted by: brian | Jul 8 2012 4:30 utc | 127
Now the people in Lebanon are ok, but those of Jordan and Turkey are screaming at McCain's amended suggestion. McCain says he wants the safe areas because the Russians are arming the Syrian government against "freedom fighters".
Posted by: www | Jul 7, 2012 2:19:56 AM | 121
'freedom fighters' fight freedom.
How can he call the very same islamic terrorist who the US used as an excuse to attack Afghnanistan 'freedom fighters'? because he knows in a one party system like the autocratic US be will never be challenged
these are McCains 'freedom fighters':
what the what so called Free Syrian army is doing in a village called Salkin, Idlib. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cvpltgpY570&feature=g-all-u
http://syriapolitics.blogspot.com.au/2012/07/part-ii-hell-on-earth-how-christians.html
Thierry Meyssan about the destruction of Al-Ikhbariya television June 30, 2012
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=tRXEm9LzZR0
First the terrorist pointed the camera to a building then it was bombed. That's ElQusur area in #Homs #Syria
http://www.dailymotion.com/video/xrxab8_yyyyyy-yyyyyyy-yyyyyy-yyyyy-yyyyyyy-yyyyyy-yyyyyyy-yyyyyy-yyyyy-yyyyyy_news
Posted by: brian | Jul 8 2012 4:41 utc | 128
and then to give the prick a little credibility they arrange for some false allegations of rape and after that a hard-core feminist Prosecutor and a Rad-Fem lesbian Police officer unwittingly do most of the damage to Assange
(either that or he brought it all on himself by being an utter asshat)
Got to be honest - MY version of this conspiracy is looking a LOT less complicated than yours - and before you deny it, like it or not you Fanbois ARE alleging at least TWO conspiracies here - One against Assange, which would invovle at a minimum the political and legal establishmant of both Sweden and Britain,
AND
one between Assange and whoever is feeding him this info
And the Fan-bois lap it up - totally convinced that Saint Julian is the new Messiah, the one TRUE supplier of Truth™
Posted by: Hu Bris | Jul 8 2012 4:50 utc | 129
Wikileaks only does rudimentary checks on authenticity, they can't verify that info isn't given with any covert agenda, and they don't claim to. And Assange is little more than a spokesperson for Wiki, nobody's suggesting he is a saint, and you don't have to be a fan of Assange or waft palmleaves around his head to believe he's genuinely just a facilitator of an electronic drop-box-system for leaks. Suggesting otherwise is just silly.
Posted by: Alexander | Jul 13 2012 0:00 utc | 130
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This week Venezuela celebrates 200 years of independence. They have been huge celebration and parades across the country. The armed forces have been pledging their loyalty to the Bolivarian republic of Venezuela on more then 1 occasion. Election for the president takes place this year, the USA and the opposition have been putting out false opinion polls showing the opposition candidate winning by over 50%. Not so unsimiliar to what happened to Iran and BBC current polls about sanctions and nuclear program. I suspect the Empire will need to get done with Syria pretty quick and then concentrate on Venezuela. Reading between the lines on TelSur it looks like Julian Assange will not be offered full asylum that he seeks, rather he will be offered sanctuary until a mediated settlement can be reached. He is suddenly not being trusted by Correa.
Posted by: hans | Jul 6 2012 12:08 utc | 101