Only on thing to read today:
- Jimmy Carter on the United States and human rights: A Cruel and Unusual Record
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June 25, 2012
Open Thread 2012-18
Only on thing to read today:
Plus your news & views thread …
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Who exactly are the Muslim Brotherhood? Posted by: hans | Jun 25 2012 17:53 utc | 1 today the SCOTUS upheld Citizens United by destroying a century old law in Montana banning the kind of money the copper kings threw around to own the political process. Posted by: lizard | Jun 25 2012 17:59 utc | 2 time to insist on democratic control of secret services in European countries Posted by: somebody | Jun 25 2012 18:23 utc | 3 Hans, Posted by: somebody | Jun 25 2012 18:33 utc | 4 Thanks for the Carter piece, b. It’s a sad thing to watch the downward spiral the US is locked into. Other, more forward thinking countries, will have to show us the way out of this corporate controlled hole we’ve dug for ourselves. Posted by: ben | Jun 25 2012 19:02 utc | 5 When Carter cites the past US human rights record — support for the UDHR, etc — is he naive or just ignorant, I wonder? The fact that interests aligned at that point to wield “human rights” (at the expense of economic rights– see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_Covenant_on_Economic,_Social_and_Cultural_Rights) as a stick against communists/leftists seems like an important point in explaining why the situation has changed. And how to fix it. Posted by: David R | Jun 25 2012 19:45 utc | 6 Jimmy Carter the President who did more good when he left office than while he was in office.
Source: http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/06/25/iran-eu-sanctions-idUSL6E8HP8M520120625 Posted by: Colm O’ Toole | Jun 25 2012 20:45 utc | 8 The sanctions are completely silly, trade will just get rerouted Posted by: somebody | Jun 25 2012 21:02 utc | 9 From “Julian Borger, Martin Chulov in Beirut and Miriam Elder in Moscow Posted by: ahji | Jun 25 2012 21:03 utc | 10 It looks like Greek “crisis” is another fabrication (Greece’s foreign debt as a per cent of GDP is about the same as the US’.) Posted by: JohnH | Jun 25 2012 22:04 utc | 11 Carter and John Quincy Adams are our two greatest ex-presidents. They accomplished much more after leaving office then they did in their one disappointing term. JQA served 20 years in the House and helped pave the political path for the abolitionists movement. Posted by: ToivoS | Jun 25 2012 23:31 utc | 12 Yes, I am aware this is a fox news link. But if there is any truth… it sure puts the U.S. vs Iranian Drone episode in the perspective many here though it should have been. Posted by: Eureka Springs | Jun 26 2012 1:10 utc | 13 @ no. 8 Posted by: slepy | Jun 26 2012 2:08 utc | 14 Kevin Gosztola posted this analysis of Carter’s op-ed, bringing in a memo on US concern for human rights which “clearly demonstrates the cause of human rights is used to bully countries in the world that do not support America’s global agenda” and Glenn Greenwald’s reaction to the Carter piece. Posted by: jawbone | Jun 26 2012 2:54 utc | 15 From Eureka Springs’ link @ 30 —
Just another thing to consider when letting these things fly around, whether managed by businesses or goverment entities, hangin’ out to surveill and invade privacy. There’s also the somewhat alarmingly high percentage of the things crashing or otherwise going rogue. Posted by: jawbone | Jun 26 2012 3:04 utc | 16 Talking about cruel and unusual…I heard on the news a few hours ago re US troops in Afghanistan, that suicide is killing more US troops than the enemy – about one suicide per day. The same report mentioned that suicide among war veterans is running at a rate of one every 80 minutes. So America’s fake wars are bad for everyone – except the obscenely wealthy 10% of the 1% whose mock-war dividends just keep piling up. Posted by: Hoarsewhisperer | Jun 26 2012 3:49 utc | 17 I know the F word is taboo around here. *laughing* But, b, this is live giant crane action of some fast and furious demolition at the Fukushima plant right now. Posted by: Eureka Springs | Jun 26 2012 4:14 utc | 18 @E. Springs #18: Posted by: Dr. Wellington Yueh | Jun 26 2012 4:35 utc | 19 @ahji #10 Posted by: felix | Jun 26 2012 4:55 utc | 20 >>> time to insist on democratic control of secret services in European countries Posted by: www | Jun 26 2012 7:27 utc | 21 Arabi Souri: in the below picture they wrote in yellow: “the picture was leaked from one of their ‘Takfiri’ gangs showing one of the terrorists who stole the belongings of the Syriac Archbishopric and they’re using the funeral car to carry out terrorist attacks Posted by: brian | Jun 26 2012 7:44 utc | 22 Somebody #4, Helfont’s piece isn’t really about exploring anything between the Brotherhood and other Sunnis and Shia but simply another analysis of how this and that element about them reflect on the Iranian Shia and how it could ultimately have an effect on Israel. In plain English, as ever, it’s about le nombril du monde, Israel. Posted by: www | Jun 26 2012 7:50 utc | 23 >>> Arabi Souri: in the below picture they wrote in yellow>>> Posted by: www | Jun 26 2012 7:53 utc | 24 look, www generally I think people are too stupid for successful conspiracies, so, yes, Sarkozy, definitively tried to exploit this, however, I do not believe he would have risked to plan it. Posted by: somebody | Jun 26 2012 7:58 utc | 25 I guessed as much, Brian, I was just kidding; I remembered you saying that you administer a FB site and understood where this had come from. We haven’t heard any more about your interesting piece about the F4 being a drone. Posted by: www | Jun 26 2012 9:48 utc | 27 @jawbone,
If you haven’t run across it yet, I would recommend “Killing Hope” by William Blum (his website) who worked in the U.S. State Dept. in the mid 60’s. The following will give you at least a partial answer to your query:
Another book that fills in some of the gaps especially regarding motivations and covert techniques: “Confessions of an Economic Hit Man” by John Perkins (summary and review) Posted by: juannie | Jun 26 2012 13:04 utc | 28 because it is an open thread … Robert Mundell, Nobel Prize Winner, creator of “supply side economics” (AKA Voodoo Economics, AKA Trickle Down Economics) is a man credited with laying the groundwork for the Euro currency. Below Greg Palast talks about how Mundell always intended for it to be used to crash the Eurozone and pave the way for the wholesale selling of state assets and stripping of workers rights.
Source The Guardian: Robert Mundell, Evil genius of the Euro Posted by: Colm O’ Toole | Jun 26 2012 14:26 utc | 30 “because it is an open thread …” (b) Posted by: PissedOffAmerican | Jun 27 2012 0:11 utc | 31 @juannie #28: Posted by: Monolycus | Jun 27 2012 2:41 utc | 32 And just to clarify, I wasn’t taking you to task or anything with that rant, juannie. It was just a rant. Also, sorry about my failure to properly close the italics tag halfway through it. Posted by: Monolycus | Jun 27 2012 4:03 utc | 33 Posted by: Colm O’ Toole, it is clear that economically the Eurozone has to be treated as one country with subventions of the parts that lag behind. However it is also one labour market and the trade unions will have to get used to fight for the whole of the Euro zone. Posted by: somebody | Jun 27 2012 6:09 utc | 34 Syria 24 English shared Breaking News | شبكة عاجل الإخبارية’s status. Posted by: brian | Jun 27 2012 9:16 utc | 35 Making forecasts is known to be a chancey business but I’m now going to put myself on record with eight forecasts about the crisis in Syria. I’m well aware that various other people have different forecasts than mine. And my forecasts also incorporate some assertions on today’s facts that are not universally accepted. With the passing of time I shall be finding out whose forecasts were right. This highly questionable allegation on Iran’s intention to close the Strait of Hormuz is interesting and merits deconstruction. The source “passing this information along” is suspect, and the origin cited seems to be extraneous to the Iranian government. There remains the question of the usefulness of such dubious data in creating a casus belli. Needless to say, one can hardly expect the purported Iranian view on international law regarding rights of navigation through the Strait of Hormuz to receive confirmation from Western chancelleries. Posted by: Hannah K. O’Luthon | Jun 28 2012 6:15 utc | 38 >>> This highly questionable allegation on Iran’s intention to close the Strait of Hormuz is interesting and merits deconstruction. >>> Posted by: www | Jun 28 2012 8:27 utc | 39 Thanks to www for providing the sort of “deconstruction” (albeit justifiably pessimistic) for which I had hoped. As to “why bother”, I can only answer that trying to bring the truth to light seems to me to be the right thing to do, futile though it may be to try. Posted by: Hannah K. O’Luthon | Jun 29 2012 14:21 utc | 40 Hannah, it is the right thing to do, but alas, the bad guys carry a very big stick and the truth doesn’t affect them. Posted by: www | Jun 29 2012 17:14 utc | 41 If not for those voices warning about an Iraq rerun in Iran this year, I’m sure we would be looking at a fullblown invasion in Iran right now. By rerun or Iraq, I’m reffering to the lies that led up to it. Posted by: Alexander | Jun 29 2012 19:19 utc | 42 Well B, with the German Bundestag and Bundesrat now having confirmed the ESM, looks like Germany has with the European Obergouverneurratsfuehrer finally a new leader they can’t vote out of office. Whats your reading on this, do you think the courts in Karlsruhe will cancel Angela’s German sell out? Whats are the rumblings in the street? Posted by: Juan Moment | Jun 30 2012 3:12 utc | 43 for the european friends, if anybody knows about economy, pls, send your ideas about the current situation en europe. right now the euro and europe is crisis. what do you think could be the best solution?. the final unification of europe under germany-merkel. or the rupture, or rapture maybe, of the european community, and the search of new masters like china or usa?. Posted by: curious | Jun 30 2012 9:44 utc | 44 IMHO the whole Eurobond idea is nothing but a trap to bring down the German economy. Posted by: Hu Bris | Jun 30 2012 9:49 utc | 45 imho, at the heart of the Euro crisis are the following factors: Posted by: claudio | Jun 30 2012 10:57 utc | 46 The street in this country does not feel it at all, as for them it is paper shifted around but nothing real. The inflation rate is low, and unemployment is between 5 to 6 percent. Posted by: somebody | Jun 30 2012 11:04 utc | 47 This post on Barclays attempt to rig the LIBOR from Yves Smith’s Naked Capitalism blog seems to me to merit discussion, especially in view of earlier posts on related matters by b and others here at MOA. As usual, I have no expertise, but I can’t help wondering if the alleged “mis-guidance” imparted by a “senior Barclays manager” and described in the following quote
was not indeed, a perfectly well understood operation between gentlemen well aware of the need for “plausible deniability” and “responsible action in a time of crisis”. If so, is Barclays management now taking a spear to the heart in order to protect their Posted by: Hannah K. O’Luthon | Jul 3 2012 10:39 utc | 48 Its happened, they’we finally detected the Higgs boson! Posted by: Alexander | Jul 4 2012 13:13 utc | 49 the ‘arab spring’ in egypt returns women to the middle ages: Posted by: brian | Jul 6 2012 12:54 utc | 50 |
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