Moon of Alabama Brecht quote
June 27, 2012
German Court: Ritual Circumcision Is A Criminal Act

Over the next days I’ll amuse myself reading editorials and op-eds and lunatic comments about the “outrageous” and “antisemitic” German court decision that gives a child’s right to physical inviolability a higher legally standing than its parents’ right to freedom of religion.

The District Court of Cologne decided that ritual circumcision for boys is a criminal act. This of course incenses those who set their personal religious believes above universal individual rights.

The court judged against a doctor who had performed the procedure, which led to complications, an a four year old boy. Cue the outrage:

The head of the Central Committee of Jews, Dieter Graumann, said the ruling was “an unprecedented and dramatic intervention in the right of religious communities to self-determination”.

The judgement was an “outrageous and insensitive act. Circumcision of newborn boys is a fixed part of the Jewish religion and has been practiced worldwide for centuries,” added Graumann.

“This religious right is respected in every country in the world.”

Well Mr. Grauman, the right to burn witches was also once”a religious right respected in every country in the world”. Some even saw it as a religious duty. But opinions on human rights versus religious rights have, thankfully, changed over the centuries.

Thousands of young boys are circumcised every year in Germany, especially in the country’s large Jewish and Muslim communities.

And this judgement now criminalizes these child mutilation. That will of course not immediately end them but it is an important step towards that aim.

BTW: I find it funny how the Telegraph writes of “large Jewish and Muslim communities” in Germany when less than 200,000 Germans (0.25%) are of Jewish heritage while over 4 Million (5%) are of Muslim heritage.

The boy in the case the court judged was a Muslim child. Why then is there no Muslim voice in the Telegraph piece but only a quote from the speaker of the likudnik Central Committee of Jews?

Various religious groups in Germany, of all major faith, have condemned the judgement and have thereby proven their inherent backwardness. But reading through German online comments some 80% of the people agree with the court.

Like them I am delighted by this judgement. It shows that there still is some progress in the German society towards the implementation of basic universal rights.

Comments

Apologies for not answering the several replies I got straight away but it was 2AM Irish time when I wrote that last comment and went to bed straight after.
@ Hu Bris

HIV rates in Israel where nearly every male is mutilated before the age of 13 and Ireland where few males are cut (you being one of the few exceptions I spose) are basically identical

That is a son-of-a-bitch of a good question. Israel likely has most of its males circumcised and yet its rate of HIV/AIDS is 0.2% of the population. Ireland has only 1% of Irish Catholics circumcised and has the same 0.2% Infection rate.
Source: http://www.avert.org/hiv-aids-europe.htm
I don’t know what the answer for that is… a lot of the research from the medical community suggests it does cut down HIV rates but never heard any accounting for the similar infection rates in both uncircumcised/heavily circumcised countries which does seem to blow a hole in the theory.
On another of your points (ie calling circumcision “mutilation”). In females it is obviously mutilation (it cuts off the clitoris, clitoral hood and part of the outer labia). As someone who is cut I find the idea of you calling my penis “mutilated” kind of ridiculous. For starters when hard both circumcised and uncircucised penis look identical, mine would look just like yours 😀 Male Circumcision is more cosmetic, making it look more appealing while tidying up excess skin around the head of the penis with no impact on sexual pleasure.
Even if given the choice now I would choose to keep it cut and I’m not religious or culturally programmed into it or anything I just like it more this way.

Posted by: Colm O’ Toole | Jun 28 2012 19:28 utc | 101

I’m in two minds about this, > the legislation, its potential effects, etc.
However b mentioned ‘universal rights’ – these are of course shaped by society, and change etc. That is the caveat..
I would say, though, that it is a minor issue (heavily culturally biased) while considering universal rights, in the area of body modification / sexual organs or identity, activity, etc. If Germany (or others ..) wants to “improve”, it should look at:
body modification: gender assignment surgery plus hormonal etc. treatment is routinely practiced on infants and young children all over the W. Is this legit? There are strong voices against it bubbling up.
my second point was about animal rights but I deleted it, a derail I suppose.
Is the ruling binding for future cases or is it jurisprudence? Does this mean that circumcision is now outlawed?
It means that doctors who perform it can now be prosecuted. The original doc won his appeal, to make it short, because the law was too vague. However, there has to be a complainant, as I understand it (?), the action would not be automatically prosecuted by the State.

Posted by: Noirette | Jun 28 2012 19:53 utc | 102

re 102
body modification: gender assignment surgery plus hormonal etc. treatment is routinely practiced on infants and young children all over the W.
Do you mean intersex children? Those who are not clearly either male or female. The majority are males, whose bodies, for hormonal reasons, reject the development of male organs. Like the South African runner.
I don’t know how administrations treat these people. But it is obvious that they should be allowed to live the life that they wish.
I know one such person.

Posted by: alexno | Jun 28 2012 20:43 utc | 103

@ J. Bradley: Take your question and stick it up your arse. And don’t talk to me again.

Posted by: Parviziyi | Jun 28 2012 22:19 utc | 104

Lunatic commentary seems to the dish of the day here on this thread.
Personally I thought that Bradley’s question was a perfectly reasonable one.
After all if one goes around calling a rather innocuous language (of all things) ‘brain dead’ it’s hardly surprising that someone else might ask ‘Why?’
Perhaps Parviziyi really has been traumatized by those perfidious Hibernians?
Colm, maybe you should offer an apology to Parviziyi on behalf of your ‘totalitarin’ state? 😉

Posted by: Paddy | Jun 28 2012 23:24 utc | 105

@Parvisiyi: If you don’t want awkward questions I suggest you don’t post irrational insults you can’t defend.
Too-ra looooo-ra loo-ra, too-ra looooo ra-laaaaaay

Posted by: J. Bradley | Jun 29 2012 1:11 utc | 106

@paddy: Colm seems to have accepted the premise that Irish is a brain-dead language, otherwise he would have said something.

Posted by: J. Bradley | Jun 29 2012 1:15 utc | 107

@ J Bradley
I did say something… wrote a whole comment on it, which summed it my thoughts on the language.

Posted by: Colm O’ Toole | Jun 29 2012 3:12 utc | 108

Colm, I read your comments and appreciated them but when someone makes a remark as derogatory and as provocative as this guy did one should address it directly before engaging in a civil discussion with him. Otherwise it seems you’re tacitly condoning an extremely obnoxious opinion.

Posted by: J. Bradley | Jun 29 2012 5:17 utc | 109

jesus, some of you irish are ridiculously touchy and sensitive. get yourself out to the pub, grab a pint and forget about it. you want to hold on to your non-british heritage as though it’s something to be proud of, do you? i suppose next you’ll be wanting to bring back the magdalene laundries administered by the good and pious sisters of mercy, since it’s not too long ago they were shut down. what a wonderful heritage and legacy that was. perhaps the irish state can legislate it back into existence for the sake of maintaining irish culture as distinct from british culture.
http://onlyinamericablogging.blogspot.com/2007/04/idolaters-and-boy-buggerers-defend.html

Posted by: wenis | Jun 29 2012 12:03 utc | 110

poor likkle wenis – a full on melt-down on t’inernet
tragic really

Posted by: Paddy | Jun 29 2012 12:40 utc | 111

@ alexno, Yes I meant intersex ppl. But kept it a bit vague as there are other malformations/pathologies/conditions that are zealously treated where one might imagine if the person (baby, child) had consent it would refuse.

Posted by: Noirette | Jun 29 2012 15:17 utc | 112

@wenis Yeah hit the pub and forget about your heritage. You’d like that wouldn’t you? It would have made things so much easier for the English and their fabricated colonialist ploy known as “Great Britain”.
Picking out the Magadelene Laundries as an example representing an entire culture is just stupid. I could respond in kind but I’m not going to.

Posted by: J. Bradley | Jun 29 2012 19:39 utc | 113

@113 – of course you won’t respond. you’ve got to pick up yer laundry. wouldn’t it be nice if ya could bring back the good ol days when orphaned/abandoned young girls would slave away cleanin yer dirty laundry so’s that you could pay but a pittance for ther privlij to serve you? it made the ordinary mick feel a bit superior known at least he/she weren’t as lowly as a magadalene laundry girl. it beast fighting to kick the brits out of yer country. it’s much easier to kick the dogs instead.

Posted by: wenis | Jun 29 2012 20:27 utc | 114

Yeah hit the pub and forget about your heritage.
ha! that is irish heritage, and it carried over to the states. many of the scots-irish who settled across the pond have no idea they are even scots-irish. oh, but their heritage is obvious just the same, just not to them.
http://www.joebageant.com/joe/2005/01/drink_pray_figh.html

Posted by: wenis | Jun 29 2012 20:32 utc | 115

For what it’s worth, I’m the fellow that has Only in America.
The majority of the blame for the Magadalene Laundries lies with the Catholic Church. The majority of the blame I say, Irish society has to take its share of the responsibility for its failing all the poor lasses that passed through those most unhallowed portals.
Wherever in the world that you find the Catholic Church, you will find abuse without fail. Be it lying to the uneducated regarding HIV Aids to the endemic child sexual abuse that we are so well aware of today.
At the top of the page today, I have this story: Catholic Brother Murdered Thirty Seven Boys
http://onlyinamericablogging.blogspot.com/
The three tags on the blog covering Catholicism are: Catholic Church Netherlands, Catholic and the Buggery Club.
Incidentally, and slightly tangential to the post I suppose, I spent the finest and happiest six years of my life in the Republic, among some of the nicest people you could ever wish to meet.
“And on the seventh day, God made West Cork.” Tiocfaidh ar la
A Brit.

Posted by: Himself | Jun 29 2012 20:45 utc | 116

@115 OK – now I see where you are coming from.
They have no idea of their Scots-Irish heritage because without the Irish nearby as a foil and an adversary their “British” heritage evaporates. It was just a convenient way of differentiating themselves from the native Irish.

Posted by: J. Bradley | Jun 29 2012 20:52 utc | 117

“i’m circumcised and i’m plenty sensitive and easily pleasured”
Oh, I have no doubt of that, I bet, thanks to your wonderful circumcision you are very, very sensitive, and quite easily pleasured. Maybe even instantly pleasured.
Gee, let’s go back to Bible days. Given their attitude towards sex, and their attitude towards procreation, how would they change a person’s penis in hopes of facilitating the one, and discouraging the other?

Posted by: mooser | Jul 3 2012 21:37 utc | 118

Now that the Tremseh “massacre” has been taken off the front pages, BBC, The Guardian and CNN are all prominently reporting the beginning of the decisive Battle of Damascus. Fighting has already broken out so they say.

Posted by: ToivoS | Jul 16 2012 22:50 utc | 119