Moon of Alabama Brecht quote
May 2, 2012
That Chinese “Activist” And/Or His Story Is Crazy

The story about the NED promoted blind Chinese "lawyer" Chen Guangcheng who never studied law is getting crazier by the minute.

The guy was allegedly under house arrest in some town in China and a few days ago fled with the help of some other "dissidents" (also U.S. financed?) to the U.S. embassy in Beijing. My assumption was that this was somehow arranged by some U.S. agency and the idea was probably to pressure China with this. I assumed that the Chinese were likely furious about it. Today's event challenges my assumption.

Today Clinton and Geithner arrived in Beijing for a long planned strategic and economic dialogue and the affair needed to get cleaned up as soon as possible.

After some negotiations the man decided to leave the embassy:

U.S. officials said Chen had never asked for asylum during the time he was in the embassy and emphasized that he had made the decision to leave out of a desire to be reunited with his wife and two children.

"I am pleased that we were able to facilitate Chen Guangcheng's stay and departure from the U.S. Embassy in a way that reflected his choices and our values," U.S. Secretary of State Hillary Clinton said in Beijing, where she arrived a few hours earlier for top-level U.S.-China talks.

"(Chen) has a number of understandings with the Chinese government about his future, including the opportunity to pursue higher education in a safe environment. Making these commitments a reality is the next crucial task. The United States government and the American people are committed to remaining engaged with Mr. Chen and his family in the days, weeks and years ahead."

China's Foreign Ministry said the blind Chen, who escaped the watch of the world's biggest internal security apparatus, had left the embassy of his own will. But the ministry criticized the United States' role, saying it was meddling in its domestic affairs.

Guangchen was accompanied by the U.S. ambassador to a hospital and left there. Just a few hours later AP contacted the man:

A blind activist said Wednesday that U.S. officials told him that Chinese authorities would have beaten his wife to death had he not left the American Embassy, where he sought sanctuary after fleeing persecution by local officials in his rural town.

A U.S. official, speaking on condition of anonymity, denied that the threat was issued but said Chen was told his family would be sent back home if he stayed in the embassy.

Speaking from the hospital room where he was taken after leaving the embassy, a shaken Chen Guangcheng said that U.S. officials told him Chinese authorities would send his family back home if he stayed inside. At one point, he said, the U.S. officials told him his wife would be beaten to death.

"They said if I don't leave they would take my children and family back to Shandong," Chen told The Associated Press. He said he heard the death threat from an American official whom he could not identify.

The man apparently also changed his mind about staying in China:

"Nobody from the (US) Embassy is here. I don't understand why. They promised to be here," he added.

Speaking on Wednesday afternoon, Chen told Channel 4 News that he wanted to leave China with his family for a while, despite previous reports that suggested he wanted to stay in China. "My biggest wish is to leave the country with my family and rest for a while. I haven't had a Sunday [rest-day] in seven years," he said.

I have no idea yet what to make of this. The guy seems confused and the whole issue is probably way over his head.

Is this just some crazy guy that the U.S., at one point, decided to promote through the National Endowment for Democracy just because he was making some points about Chinese government abortions? That promotion then made it impossible to reject the guy when he knocked at the door of embassy? Now a way had to be found to clean the situation up and some pressure was applied?

Please let me know your ideas about this affair.

Comments

Strange, very strange. At first I thaught the US has used him as leverage in some issue, but then what issue? Obviously the US embassy was keen on getting him out of there, on threat of pain and lies.

Posted by: Alexander | May 2 2012 17:33 utc | 1

i’ve always been suspicious of the blind lawyer schtick. the law is a profession that requires copious amounts of reading, enough to tax people with good eyesight. and i doubt the chinese government bothers to provide everything in braille.
now, remember Christian Bale doing his activist work for the guy. Christian Bale Attacked by Chinese Guards
Bale is the stepson of Gloria Steinam, who is CIA

Posted by: Proton Soup | May 2 2012 17:51 utc | 2

“Now a way had to be found to clean the situation up and some pressure was applied?”
At least that you can be sure of. This was a negotiated resolution/outcome to the situation, between US and China. BBC’s expert also expressed something along that line.

Posted by: Alexander | May 2 2012 18:11 utc | 3

US elections? Trying to look good on civil rights whilst making a deal with China? Somewhere I read Samantha Powers was involved. Looking good to idealistic young voters?
Miscalculating that China would be on the defensive?
China obviously is not – from b’s channel4 link
“The US method was interference in Chinese domestic affairs, and this is totally unacceptable to China. China demands that the United States apologise over this, thoroughly investigate this incident, punish those who are responsible, and give assurances that such incidents will not recur.”
It is a clash of foreign policy principles really – Chinese strict non involvement in other countries political systems and US American not so principled involvement depending on friend or foe.

Posted by: somebody | May 2 2012 18:51 utc | 4

It may have nothing to do with this, but peculiar that, Iran holds talks in Beijing, Moscow ahead of Baghdad meeting. (on Tuesday).
TEHRAN, May 2 (MNA) – The deputy secretary of Iran’s Supreme National Security Council, Ali Baqeri, who is the country’s deputy chief nuclear negotiator, has held talks with Chinese and Russian officials ahead of the next round of talks between Tehran and world powers.
http://www.mehrnews.com/en/newsdetail.aspx?NewsID=1591958

Posted by: Rd. | May 2 2012 19:15 utc | 5

@4 – somebody
no way in hell is china into strict non-involvement in other nations’ political systems. remember the Gore campaign finance fiasco?
china is simply less overt.

Posted by: Proton Soup | May 2 2012 19:20 utc | 6

doubt it, Proton Soup, the people named here all have a Taiwan connection …
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1996_United_States_campaign_finance_controversy
no, the Chinese I guess are very proud of their non-interference policy, I suppose, it works well for them,
they are
a) always able to deal with the de facto rulers,
b) nobody hates them,
c) they cannot be embarrassed by having to take in exiles,
d) their economic interests are not hindered by sanctions.
“it does not matter if a cat is black or white if it catches mice …”

Posted by: somebody | May 2 2012 20:03 utc | 7

They promised
Another sucker. Next!

Posted by: ruralito | May 2 2012 20:14 utc | 8

yeah, something did not go as planned
http://swampland.time.com/2012/05/02/the-chen-guangcheng-affair-u-s-denies-china-dissidents-account-of-coercion/?iid=sl-main-lede#ixzz1tk5NfR1Y
“I think the saddest outcome would be if events transpired now that put Chen at war with the U.S. government that represents his only secure support,” Cohen said. “It could easily happen through confusion, through confusion being sown that would create distrust between him and the U.S., and then he would just be out there and that would be very, very unfortunate.”
And this is ChinaAids version
http://www.chinaaid.org/
Chen did not leave the U.S. Embassy of his own accord. Some sources inside China said the U.S. and Chinese governments have reached some kind of “shameful” agreement regarding Chen.
Later Zen Jinyan said on Twitter: Guangcheng called me and told me that he didn’t say, according to media, “I want to kiss you” to Secretary Clinton. What he actually said was “I want to see you.”

Posted by: somebody | May 2 2012 20:42 utc | 9

@7 – somebody
very quick check from wiki link shows a connection to chinese intelligence.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/politics/special/campfin/stories/cf021098.htm
it was during the Clinton administration that all that missile technology, giving China the ability to lob nukes across the globe, was transferred.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/politics/special/missile/keystories.htm

Posted by: Proton Soup | May 2 2012 21:17 utc | 10

proton soup 10
what makes you believe China has any intention of lobbing nukes across the globe?

Posted by: brian | May 2 2012 21:28 utc | 11

I read: “giving China the ability to lob nukes across the globe,”
not “China has the intention to lob nukes across the globe,”

Posted by: Marmite | May 2 2012 21:31 utc | 12

As they have nukes, they want at least to be able to use them as a threat. That means they need proper missile technology too.

Posted by: Alexander | May 2 2012 21:36 utc | 13

maybe there are hints of a “trap” against the Obama administration, prepared by its opponents (ChinaAid seems to be kicking in against the “shameful” agreement);

Posted by: claudio | May 3 2012 0:53 utc | 14

B,
Do you remember the story of the Iranian engineer who has the US for protection? It ended up that he was in some way held against his wish & finally joined his family in Iran (for some reason I am unable to find a link to this story on the web).
For war hungry and regime change hawks ‘Humanitarians’ these singular stories of individual people are nothing more than occasions to bully the other side. People mean nothing here, really, they are means and not ends in themselves…

Posted by: Sophia | May 3 2012 1:06 utc | 15

It’s an election year here in the U.S. Superficial Bull Shit ginned up, will rule the day. China’s elites and our elites, have plans, that won’t be interrupted by any concocted BS dreamed up for public consumption, to prove to the millions of morons here, how our “democracy” is superior to China’s form of government. Meanwhile, China will make billions,supplying slave labor for our multinational corporations, who will also make billions, and the world is a wonderful place. I just can’t see this relationship changing any day soon.

Posted by: ben | May 3 2012 1:07 utc | 16

There are several new interviews with that guy and it seems to me it was he who screwed up, changed his mind and has now embarrassed Clinton.
CNN Transcript: Chinese activist Chen Guangcheng

Q: U.S. officials said you looked optimistic when you walked out of the embassy, what happened?
A: At the time I didn’t have a lot of information. I wasn’t allowed to call my friends from inside the embassy. I couldn’t keep up with news so I didn’t know a lot of things that were happening.
Q: What prompted your change of heart?
A: The embassy kept lobbying me to leave and promised to have people stay with me in the hospital. But this afternoon as soon as I checked into the hospital room, I noticed they were all gone.
Q: Has the U.S. disappointed you?
A: I’m very disappointed at the U.S. government.
Q: Why?
A: I don’t think (U.S. officials) protected human rights in this case.

Who the fuck does he think he is?
Daily Beast: Activist Chen Guangcheng: Let Me Leave China on Hillary Clinton’s Plane

The hours ticked by, and Chen became more and more agitated. Even though he’d originally told friends and embassy officials that he wished to remain in China, now he wanted to leave. “I hope to seek medical treatment in the U.S. with my family, and then I want to rest,” he said. “As for the future, we’ll deal with that in the future.” At the hospital, Chen’s fears mounted as his wife told him she’d been tied to a chair, beaten, and interrogated by Chinese guards after they learned he had entered the U.S. embassy in Beijing last Friday.
As dinnertime came and went, he and his wife and two young children, who had traveled to Beijing, had nothing to eat. Their 6-year-old daughter began crying from the hunger pangs. “I kept asking the hospital personnel for some food, but it never came. I asked many times.” Finally, around 9 p.m., some food was sent in after friends contacted American officials for help. But Chen says his numerous attempts to reach the U.S. embassy directly during those dark hours failed: “I tried to phone the embassy three or four times last night, but nobody answered.” As of Thursday at 8:30 a.m. Beijing time, he said he has had no contact with American officials since after he entered his hospital room.
“I need your help, I’m absolutely, absolutely ready to fly out on Hillary Clinton’s plane. Please tell the embassy what I’m saying.”

“[Chen’s current situation] totally contradicts the rosy picture” I got in a conference call I had with U.S. officials Wednesday morning. They summarized the situation, and it sounded like a beautiful, happy scene,” said Bob Fu, president of the U.S.-based ChinaAid Association, which has acted as a facilitator in Chen’s case. “They said they’d send some photos of Chen ‘joyfully’ leaving the embassy.” Last week Fu had offered to transport Chen out of China via an “underground railroad”—but at the time, Chen declined.
Fu had spoken by phone with Chen shortly before I had. “He was very heavy-hearted,” Fu said. “He was crying when we spoke. He said he was under enormous pressure to leave the embassy. Some people almost made him feel he was being a huge burden to the U.S.” Chen decided to leave, Fu confirmed, because he was told “he would have no chance of reunification with his wife and children if he didn’t. The choice presented to him was walk out—or stay inside and lose his wife and kids. Chen had no choice but to go.”
Fu confirmed also that Chen seemed “absolutely clear” that he wanted to go to the U.S. now.

What childish behavior.
China Aid is btw in Texas and has also received NED money. Clinton is paying the guys that are now setting her up and embarrassing her. Wahahahahahaha ….

Posted by: b | May 3 2012 5:45 utc | 17

no, Chen is the victim of US politics. he sure was promised more protection than he actually got.
In that interview he said he had asked to talk to http://chrissmith.house.gov/, but was not allowed to.
US foreign policy is dysfunctional. China now has all the cards in their hands to get the most out of this.

Posted by: somebody | May 3 2012 6:57 utc | 18

@somebody – how is he a victim? In that he accepted U.S. support and ran for the embassy?

Posted by: b | May 3 2012 7:37 utc | 19

this is just fukus latest stunt in its demonisation campaign against china
http://tinyurl.com/6f2vgcv

Posted by: denk | May 3 2012 7:58 utc | 20

The proselytizers of Western thinking (e.g. Hilary Clinton) would like the dissidents of China to be astute, wise and virtuous, but the truth is that the dissidents in China are cranks, flakes, and juvenile daydreamers. This Chen Guangcheng guy is a piece of anecdotal evidence of that.
I remember reading that the Westerners in China had a similar problem when trying to convert the Chinese to Christianity in the 18th century: the Chinese people that the Christain establishments could attract in 18th century China were predominantly or exclusively cranks, flakes, and people from “low-life” social strata.

Posted by: Parviziyi | May 3 2012 8:04 utc | 21

Today’s Chinese have chosen to adopt Western thinking in a number of domains of activity, but not in the domain of politics. Proselytizers of Western thinking on political institutions and political ideology are not getting traction in China. This Chen Guangcheng guy is a piece of anecdotal evidence of that.

Posted by: Parviziyi | May 3 2012 8:27 utc | 22

World Can’t Be Changed Without Fighting Western Propaganda
http://tinyurl.com/3qcl9j3

Posted by: denk | May 3 2012 8:42 utc | 23

actually I would defend the right to daydream. I also defend the right to be a low life. Human rights are rights for everybody no matter how perceived by others. “Freedom is always the freedom of the one who thinks differently”, if you are a Russian funded communist, an US whistleblower, or a Chinese person who does not fit in, or any misfit whereever.
so sure he is a victim. people whose weaknesses get exploited are victims.

Posted by: somebody | May 3 2012 10:53 utc | 24

Concerning his education, being a selftaught lawyer, it means even if he doesn’t have a bar diploma, ha can still practice law, but he wouldn’t be able to join a lawyer union. But you don’t actually need a formal education to represent a client in court.

Posted by: Alexander | May 3 2012 12:11 utc | 25

@somebody
1) I also think that Chen might be a “victim”, in the sense that he believed what one Us faction told him, while another faction had a different agenda; maybe his “liberators” acted recklessly because their real aim was to embarrass Clinton; in this sense, the victims of Us policies are all over the world
2) you can’t define “daydreaming” calls for “western-style democracy” in countries that fight Us hemenogy, just while such democracy is exported with bombs, sabotage, infiltration, etc, and when regime-change of opposing countries is an exlicit aim of Us policy; of course the Chinese state views such calls as a major security threat

Posted by: claudio | May 3 2012 12:11 utc | 26

with the same logic any criticism of the powers that be would be called a threat to security.
my rule of thumb – the more a regime talks about security the more authoritarian.

Posted by: somebody | May 3 2012 12:36 utc | 27

Here’s the first Chinaman this story reminded me of.
Liu’s Nobel Prize for Capitalism
http://gowans.wordpress.com/2010/10/12/liu%E2%80%99s-nobel-prize-for-capitalism/

Posted by: Hoarsewhisperer | May 3 2012 12:58 utc | 28

“China’s Foreign Ministry said the blind Chen, who escaped the watch of the world’s biggest internal security apparatus,” were the words from the article b submitted. Clearly a case of the cast iron pot calling the copper kettle black. WE, the USA have the largest internal security apparatus. We have more people in jail, in real numbers. Meaning we have 4-5 times the incarceration rate of China. The whole abortion angle makes me wonder if this guy got partisan support from the US that wasn’t supported as strongly by their partisan rivals (pro-life)

Posted by: scottindallas | May 3 2012 13:06 utc | 29

@27
If your ideal is to promote an open society the actions of the US around the world, specially with regimes that you might think of as repressive, are going in the opposite direction of your goal. A powerful, non elected political actor, with enormous ego and self-interest, interfering in the internal affairs of another country, be it repressive, is a safe bet to further close down the political scene in that country rather than helping opening it up. All recent historical facts point towards this simple truth.

Posted by: AH | May 3 2012 13:15 utc | 30

AH, frankly I consider the US as authoritarian. The rule of thumb applies there too. Are people silenced there for “security’s” sake? Of course the US stance is hypocritical there are many human rights violations by the the US if you take that concept seriously – and we should in the interest of us all.
Reading up on the Chinese legal activist, he seems to have been successful within the Chinese legal system at first, before local authorities that got incriminated took revenge.
I would not blame him to accept any support he could get.
From what I read, the issue is forced abortion and sterilization. That would be a huge issue in any rural area. The 1 child policy is usually enforced by fines. That would explain why complaints about local practices succeeded.
Of course human rights advocacy with a regime change agenda is a recipe from hell. And yes, being supported by the US did not really help him.

Posted by: somebody | May 3 2012 14:43 utc | 32

blind man’s buff

SOUNDBITE: CHEN GUANGCHENG SAYING (Mandarin): “I feel very unsafe. My civil rights are not guaranteed. I was thinking that way (staying in China) before, but now I have changed my mind.” REPORTER ASKING: “What made you change your mind?”
“Because I have seen too much.”

Posted by: b real | May 3 2012 15:13 utc | 33

oooohhhhh
nasty 😉

Posted by: Marmite | May 3 2012 15:21 utc | 34

@30
There are then 2 issues that you need to consider when/if trying to advance your political goal:
While the national sovereign should, and most of the times can, be brought into compromise pacifically and legally, either by means of citizens’ actions or by national political forces (thus increasing the freedom at the level of the civil society); the omnipresence of a non-elected foreign power, is the main threat for the civil society in the country in question and you ought to treat it as such when you are claiming to care about the victims.

Posted by: AH | May 3 2012 15:22 utc | 35

Chen now found he is a ‘bona fide‘ international celebrity, and he thought he can pick whenever and whereever he want to stay.

Posted by: blinded1 | May 3 2012 15:32 utc | 36

US has Manning as a political prisoner for censorship, and US has I believe more executions %-vise than China. Torture, and extrajudicial executions.. When it comes to human rights, US is far from the ideal.

Posted by: Alexander | May 3 2012 15:48 utc | 37

actually blinded1 the un states
UNIVERSAL DECLARATION OF HUMAN RIGHTS
http://www.un.org/en/documents/udhr/
Article 13.
(2) Everyone has the right to leave any country, including his own, and to return to his country.
Article 14.
(1) Everyone has the right to seek and to enjoy in other countries asylum from persecution.
yes, I know, I am daydreaming. I do think we should insist on this declaration more often.

Posted by: somebody | May 3 2012 16:43 utc | 38

Hu Jia, a Beijing-based activist who met Mr Chen after his escape, says that during the night Mr Chen climbed over the two-metre high concrete wall built by the government to seal off his house. (The house was normally floodlit by his guards, who also jammed mobile-phone signals.) For some 20 hours, says Mr Hu, Mr Chen struggled on his own, navigating “eight lines of defence” and falling down “more than 200 times” before meeting another activist, He Peirong, who drove him to Beijing

yes, that’s just what must have happened
(from the Economist, linked at by Sophia #31)

Posted by: claudio | May 3 2012 17:24 utc | 39

@AH, can you express yourself without sounding like a Time magazine hack?
civil society, yeah, right. The strangler wears velvet gloves to prevent chafing of delicate necks.

Posted by: ruralito | May 3 2012 17:34 utc | 40

ruralito, AH says that colonialism is the main threat to civil society; either you didn’t understand AH, or I didn’t understand you

Posted by: claudio | May 3 2012 18:46 utc | 41

Chen Guangcheng is a right-wing dissident, who’s advocating for a woman’s right to reproduce without limits or restrictions. So of course the Obama Administration is gonna come to his defense. Never mind that overpopulation is causing war, famine, and disease and is depleting the planet of vital and precious resources.
Now if Chen were a left-wing dissident, who was fighting for the rights of workers to unite and bargain for better pay and better working conditions, no one in the Obama Administration, including soft-hearted Hillary Clinton, would give him the time of day. Never mind that slave wages in China are putting an enormous amount of downward pressure on wages in America, excluding the wages being allotted to our political and corporate elites.
The whole phony PR stunt makes me wanna puke!

Posted by: Cynthia | May 3 2012 19:35 utc | 42

@claudio, sorry, I could not navigate AH’s turgid prose without a rising sense of panic and despair. But I see what you mean now. I admire your dedication.

Posted by: ruralito | May 3 2012 19:52 utc | 43

but I protest this shibboleth of “civil society”. That’s what I hear the Reptilans gushing over. And they poison minds for a living.

Posted by: ruralito | May 3 2012 19:56 utc | 44

so well it is ChinaAid that is behind all this
http://www.texastribune.org/texas-politics/texas-political-news/help-from-midland-in-chinese-dissidents-escape/
“When Chen Guangcheng, the blind human rights dissident in China, escaped house arrest late last month, one of the first people to hear the news was in Texas.
Bob Fu, president of the Midland-based nonprofit China Aid, said he spoke on the phone with Chen after his escape and offered to help him leave China through the group’s legion of supporters in the country.
“But he was not willing to come to the United States,” Fu said. “That’s why he was transported to Beijing.”

Posted by: somebody | May 3 2012 20:46 utc | 45

I read: “giving China the ability to lob nukes across the globe,”
not “China has the intention to lob nukes across the globe,”
Posted by: Marmite | May 2, 2012 5:31:47 PM | 12
==================
same issue: why frigging mention Chinas ‘ablility’ to lob nukes across the globe..China is not the US,…This is straight out demonisation. Can i talk about your ability to kill your neighbors?

Posted by: brian | May 3 2012 21:40 utc | 46

‘As they have nukes, they want at least to be able to use them as a threat. That means they need proper missile technology too.
Posted by: Alexander | May 2, 2012 5:36:02 PM | 13
================================
who are you talking about?

Posted by: brian | May 3 2012 21:42 utc | 47

Profile of the NY law professor, Jerome Cohen, who is advising Chen: https://its.law.nyu.edu/facultyprofiles/profile.cfm?personID=19840

Posted by: Sophia | May 3 2012 22:23 utc | 48

“Can i talk about your ability to kill your neighbors?”
If you like – I’ve no objection to that.
But seriously – have you met my neighbours?
If you had, you’d not be wondering why I might want to keep, in reserve, the ability to lob a missile or two at them should the situation warrant it.

Posted by: Marmite | May 3 2012 22:38 utc | 49

you do realise that China has had access to ICBM’s since the early 60’s, right?

Posted by: Marmite | May 3 2012 22:43 utc | 50

@ruralito 44 – “civil society” once had a meaning (around the XVIIth century), when it was defined in opposition to an increasingly absolutist State; it’s one of the many words that have been stolen from our political dictionary (like “market”, which at a certain point became “free market” and equated with capitalism; and “democracy”, which became “representative democracy”, or “liberal democracy”, and equated with electoralism and delegation)
part of the training in “free thought” is to learn to react to these words because we know they are really used to stifle our attempts at it; but part of the development of a new political culture should be to redefine them and impose our meaning on them, because we can’t really do without them

Posted by: claudio | May 3 2012 23:46 utc | 51

same issue: why frigging mention Chinas ‘ablility’ to lob nukes across the globe..China is not the US,…This is straight out demonisation. Can i talk about your ability to kill your neighbors?
Posted by: brian | May 3, 2012 5:40:53 PM | 46
it’s got nothing to do with demonization for me. it’s got everything to do with not selling out our defense technology, especially to someone that is more rival than ally. and i don’t care if they already had some tech from the russians. if they wanted ours, it must be because it’s better.
it was done for no good reason that i can see, only greed and power. if the NKs were doing it we’d call it proliferation.
FWIW, i’d say the same about any nation trying to achieve space capability. even though the pretense is always science, the spirit of man, etc., the primary motivation is projecting military power. that goes for india, too, with their educational communications satellites.
and before you choose to interpret “projecting military power” as offensive, i’d suggest that it is a more effective defense.

Posted by: Proton Soup | May 4 2012 2:00 utc | 52

claudio, on the bleeding edge of the world-as-it-is I don’t have a clue, but cordyceps, qv, is as good a metaphor as any other.

Posted by: ruralito | May 4 2012 2:42 utc | 53

: Proton Soup 52
*and before you choose to interpret “projecting military power” as
offensive, i’d suggest that it is a more effective defense. *
power projection is the best
*defence * eh ?
mine, am i reading the washington times or what ?
*it’s got nothing to do with demonization for me. it’s got everything to do
with not selling out our defense technology, especially to someone that
is more rival than ally*
ya the iranians n chinese are so belligerent aint they
imagine of all places , they choose to put their countries smack dab in
the midst of all those *defensive* amerikan bases
http://tinyurl.com/bw7xffm

Posted by: denk | May 4 2012 4:40 utc | 54

@ruralito
interesting metaphor; I looked it up, and this is what I came up with:
cordyceps militaris
but the Chinese know how to deal with it

Posted by: claudio | May 4 2012 7:18 utc | 55

I found the best summary of the Chen Guangcheng case and its legalities from a Chinese point of view here:
http://blog.hiddenharmonies.org/2012/04/chen-guangcheng-escapes-waging-pr-campaign-with-western-press/
“In summary, I will simply quote what reader hehe had just said below:
I doubt that people shouting at each other about CGC’s case actually have the full set of information available before they are determined to make a case for/against him/his case. The truth is likely to be somewhere in between I dare to say, i.e. CGC is neither a devil nor an angel. I would pay particular attention to the context in which CGC transferred himself/was transferred from a citizen rights advocate into a political dissident icon of China.”

Posted by: somebody | May 4 2012 7:27 utc | 56

proton soup 52:
‘ got everything to do with not selling out our defense technology’
you mean WAR technology
‘if they wanted ours, it must be because it’s better.’
US makes little now beyond weapons..
and before you choose to interpret “projecting military power” as offensive, i’d suggest that it is a more effective defense.”
funny but i do see “projecting military power” as offensive…..you dont ‘project’ defence’! You sound like a pentagon PR flack

Posted by: brian | May 4 2012 8:32 utc | 57

Some people get ‘offended’ waaaaay too easily

Posted by: Marmite | May 4 2012 8:42 utc | 58

Before you think China are over-reacting to foreign political opposition interference by NED, think about how the US reacted to communist influences some years ago.

Posted by: Alexander | May 4 2012 8:44 utc | 59

brian 57
here’s george carlin
*What the US produces in abundance is bullshit and bombs. It can’t produce a toaster worth shit, it can’t furnish 80 million of its citizens with adequate health care, it can’t keep all of its citizens productively employed, but it sure can bomb the shit out of other countries and it sure can pump out bullshit to justify it. *
http://tinyurl.com/5cj9tq
one of the most hyped about bs is
*the chicoms stole our nuke tech*
the pentagoons have no qualm persecuting an innocent us citizen in order to demonise china

Posted by: denk | May 4 2012 9:05 utc | 60

alexanda 59
imagine if the chinese intel spirited brad manning into the chinese embassy
n use him to leverage on amerika

Posted by: denk | May 4 2012 9:23 utc | 61

That’d be fitting, wouldn’t it.

Posted by: Alexander | May 4 2012 10:55 utc | 62

@Ruralito, sorry about late response but Claudio got the meanings of my comment 100% correct.

Posted by: AH | May 4 2012 15:10 utc | 63

Some people get ‘offended’ waaaaay too easily
Posted by: Marmite | May 4, 2012 4:42:55 AM | 58
yes. i can’t tell if it’s an act, so probably best to just ignore it.

Posted by: Proton Soup | May 5 2012 4:59 utc | 64

This is all an exercise to point fingers at the Chinese by our Machiavellian scum of divide and conquer,to promote Obomba as a man of freedom and justice,which are totally against his and their fascist principles,and to help reelect our UnConstitutional dullard.
I believe the antiabortionists have enough infanticide to worry about here.

Posted by: dahoit | May 6 2012 14:14 utc | 65

@dahoit
on the contrary, it seems the aim of the operation was to embarrass Obama
China got off the hook twice, first with the “honorable compromise” at the Us embassy, then announcing Chen would be granted permission to leave China; but it couldn’t avoid a bad exposure of its local mafia politics
the Obama administration got stuck with Chen pleading Obama to act
Chen will become a thorn in the Chinese’s side: in the Us he will be acclaimed as a hero, turned even more into an international star, and then he’ll ask to return to China, where his China Aid handlers will use him to stir up trouble

Posted by: claudio | May 6 2012 21:57 utc | 66

lucky guy, he got into a nice school, and now he can have as many kids as he wants. but if he gets free birth control too, I hope we send him back.

Posted by: karen | May 24 2012 4:16 utc | 67

*hr* isnt the preogative of fukus
china should open an office for the world’s *unpeople* in beijing
http://tinyurl.com/3fhrmse
viz, the chagosians, okinawans, puerto ricans, native americans, kashmiris, nagals, parents of fallujah deformed babies, families of du, drone victims, kurds of turkey , west papuans of indonesia etc etc
these are the voiceless, god forsaken people who nobody, not the congress, the senate, the ai, hrw, ned, wanna talk about….for reasons best known to themselves !
it’d be a great stride forward for humanrights , as opposed to fukus’s *hr* charade,

Posted by: denk | May 24 2012 7:54 utc | 68