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May 7, 2012
Open Thread 2012-13
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Shock tactics: Treatment or torture?
What sort of a sick society could possibly sanction this? Posted by: Marmite | May 7 2012 19:45 utc | 1 the same sick society that says everything is OK in Fukushima… Posted by: lotsofnoise | May 7 2012 22:38 utc | 2 lotsofnoise: another guy that thinks we can’t follow a link Posted by: claudio | May 7 2012 23:10 utc | 3 very interesting article on developments in Afpak, by Bhadrakumar at ATOL: Posted by: claudio | May 7 2012 23:21 utc | 5 lotsofnoise #2 Posted by: juannie | May 7 2012 23:36 utc | 6 @ Claudio Posted by: Colm O’ Toole | May 7 2012 23:51 utc | 7 @1 – Marmite Posted by: Proton Soup | May 7 2012 23:52 utc | 8 “i don’t think it’s quite the same thing as these schools that call the cops to taser tantrum-throwing tykes.” Posted by: Marmite | May 8 2012 0:18 utc | 9 Unmanned vessel could soon be working for Navy
Et tu, Bluto? Posted by: Dr. Wellington Yueh | May 8 2012 0:33 utc | 10 Marmite @#1 asked: “What sort of a sick society could possibly sanction this?” Posted by: Monolycus | May 8 2012 0:48 utc | 11 as long as they are not actually killing the babies to make the powder (i.e: the babies die of natural causes etc) then there’s no way I’d claim that simply powdering the bodies of dead babies is near as bad as deliberately torturing live humans Posted by: Marmite | May 8 2012 1:56 utc | 12 @Marmite #12: Posted by: Monolycus | May 8 2012 2:35 utc | 13 US’ Silk Road strategy–part of the global plan to insert itself between the producer and the consumer of energy. The only plausible reason for US involvement is to offer “protection services.” Kosovo “protects” the supply line to Europe. Afghanistan “protects” the supply line from the Caspian basin to the Indian Ocean and to China. Posted by: JohnH | May 8 2012 4:17 utc | 14 Monolycus @ 11: Thanks for the Salon article,(second link) Greenwald has it nailed…..again. Posted by: ben | May 8 2012 4:19 utc | 15 same sick society sanctions this Posted by: lotsofnoise | May 8 2012 5:32 utc | 16 ” Kosovo “protects” the supply line to Europe. Afghanistan “protects” the supply line Posted by: Marmite | May 8 2012 5:59 utc | 18 As the parent of an autistic human I have to say the notion of subjecting anybody to electric shocks is barbaric and inhumane, but when it goes beyond that to juvenile humans who have a permanent chronic disability which causes them to struggle to understand how humans are meant to behave and who are frequently unable communicate anything accurate about their circumstance, including pain and/or distress, the behaviour transcends barbarism & becomes more self indulgent, a form of sadism as practiced by perverts. Posted by: Debs is dead | May 8 2012 7:04 utc | 19 China and Russia would never have just agreed to let the US Military stay after 2014, so close to their nations. The Judge Rotenberg Centre comes down to the absolute power parents have over their children’s destiny Posted by: somebody | May 8 2012 7:17 utc | 21 Yeah, lotsofnoise #16. Appreciate your listening and btw, I found the read at your #2 link appropriate and valuable. I live in the shadow of VT Yankee, an aging GE reactor which has been granted an extension to run for another 20 years with the disapproval of the majority of people int VT, our legislature and governor. Their spent fuel rods are accumulating in a pool about 100 ft. above the ground, same as Fukushima’s #4. The article gives insight into the thinking of the NRC in not insisting on dry cask storage; i.e. the owners don’t want to pay the price. The owner, in this case Entergy has been continually irresponsible, lied to our Public Service Board, reneged on it’s original contract and not fulfilled it’s obligation to put money into a decommissioning fund. And yet a federal judge ruled in their favor to keep operating past the design life of the plant and at 20% over design load. VT is now involved in a federal lawsuit to close the plant. And so it goes. Posted by: juannie | May 8 2012 10:53 utc | 22 A shocker (well, perhaps not, since they were heading in this direction long ago…) Posted by: Maracatu | May 8 2012 11:34 utc | 23 but juannie, there no chance of a tsunami in Vermont (laughs because there isn’t any other option) Posted by: heathroi | May 8 2012 13:04 utc | 24 From Krugman on the elections across the pond: Posted by: ben | May 8 2012 14:01 utc | 25 AIPAC. How this small nation of almost 6 million people managed to control the world’s most powerful nation and got away with stealing a whole country and killing thousands of people over the past several decades with impunity. The roots of this organization and its incredible influence on the US Govt are being revealed in many declassified documents. Apart from many other horrific stories, the documents reveal how Israel stole American Nuclear products, leaving the Americans to clean up after it and, got away with it. Posted by: ana souri | May 8 2012 14:03 utc | 26 A good start for Hollande? Posted by: ben | May 8 2012 14:28 utc | 27 Posted by: ana souri | May 8 2012 14:36 utc | 29 “Stocks and the euro fell in Europe on Tuesday.” Yes, Big Finance’s reaction has started. Look for a big rise in interest rates on French debt and a downgrade by Moody’s. They will tame Hollande, although he probably won’t prove to that difficult to bring in line (a la Clinton, Blair, Obama.) Posted by: JohnH | May 8 2012 15:13 utc | 30 “The neo-Nazis should not be ignored. Their emergence, almost out of nowhere, as a mass fascist organisation with actual Third Reich-style paraphernalia, shows how perilous the terrain is, and how much danger awaits Greece’s most vulnerable communities. Recently, the state has been stoking up racism toward immigrants and planning a crackdown on the grounds that they ‘spread diseases’. Posted by: bevin | May 8 2012 16:09 utc | 31 “I think he’s POA in disguise” Posted by: PissedOffAmerican | May 8 2012 18:32 utc | 32 marmite 1: Posted by: brian | May 8 2012 19:06 utc | 34 I knew I should have put a smiley on the end of comment #4 Posted by: Marmite | May 8 2012 19:11 utc | 35 Oh well – if I had to guess I’d say somewhere between 12 and 14 yrs old Posted by: Marmite | May 8 2012 20:05 utc | 37 @31 – it’s either soft authoritarianism, or hard authoritarianism. paper or plastic. ketchup or mustard. there will be no neither. it will be one or the other. if one fails, the other steps in. it’s good cop, bad cop. it’s tails you lose and heads you lose. Posted by: wenis | May 8 2012 20:40 utc | 38 turning a blind eye to the results in France and Greece will come to no good..regardless of the percentages there is in some ways something chillingly familiar historically about the circumstances of these minor gains Posted by: lotsofnoise | May 8 2012 20:48 utc | 39 add this to #39 and the petri dish that holds europes still undigested past Posted by: lotsofnoise | May 8 2012 21:03 utc | 40 If you look at most of the opinions blogged by readers in columns on the results in europe last weekend, you will see the familiar meme of circle jerk politics in most of em. Posted by: Debs is dead | May 8 2012 22:56 utc | 41 ABC national evening news: Diane Sawyer in explaining the backstory of a photo of a little girl on a tricycle riding toward riot defense clad policemen. Turns out it was in Moscow during Sunday’s protests, and viewers were not to worry about the little girl because her parents close behind her in the crowd. Posted by: jawbone | May 8 2012 23:03 utc | 42 “We should not forget that we live in a world ruled by capitalist culture and our young people know about capitalism by the things we tell them, and we did not know it either. Our enemy knows it well. This is a war of axiology, a war that takes place in the minds of men. If they succeed in changing our thinking, if they succeed in conveying the values of capitalist culture in the new generations of Cuban, then they will have won the battle. This Cuban struggle against demons is the greatest challenge of youth nowadays.” Posted by: ruralito | May 8 2012 23:03 utc | 43 neofascists and neonazis are dangerous only inasmuch as they are, generally, tools of the plutocracy (but that might become difficult to control), and particularly, tools for police intimidation and provocations against strikes and protests (and immigrants); in the Greek Nazis’ program (which I couldn’t find online, Italian TV showed a leaflet) there is the prohibition of labor unions … a neolib’s wet dream; Posted by: claudio | May 8 2012 23:15 utc | 44 @DiD #41: I agree; I’d stress that the left didn’t get “distracted”, it was all too happy to divert attention from issues of peace and social inequality and insulate itself from the nefarious influence of radicals and liberals while it was fighting for the “center” in our ever emptier democracies Posted by: claudio | May 8 2012 23:26 utc | 45 The reason that the left has become mired in irrelevance in amerika is precisely because the cynical professional pols and the elites who fund them can create these contrived ‘schisms’ of gay marriage, prayers in the classroom and all the rest of the irrelevant or minor issues that prevent the left from concentrating on the basic issues. basic issues like insufficiently available human needs of food, shelter, and healthcare. Posted by: wenis | May 8 2012 23:38 utc | 46 @ruralito #43:
Posted by: Dr. Wellington Yueh | May 9 2012 0:55 utc | 47 debs #41, Posted by: juannie | May 9 2012 1:20 utc | 48 @juannie like yours my experience of the underlying attitudes motivating political belief is strictly personal – anecdotal evidence only. Insofar as you state you spent time adhering to the beliefs of Ayn Rand, I don’t think that really equates with the fascists I was trying to identify in my post. Posted by: Debs is dead | May 9 2012 3:00 utc | 49 on more general terms, there is a legitimate and “structural” dialectic, in the political space, between the imperatives of “order and stability” on one hand, and of “social justice” on the other Posted by: claudio | May 9 2012 5:42 utc | 50 @ DID & Claudio: Posted by: Marmite | May 9 2012 10:31 utc | 51 “I would posit that deep down all conservatives are haters to some degree;” Posted by: Marmite | May 9 2012 10:45 utc | 52 A TED talk/video from Jonathan Haidt on the moral roots of liberals and conservatives. (Unfortunately he kinda ruins it all by quoting the excerable Samantha Power.) Posted by: Marmite | May 9 2012 14:00 utc | 53 Posted on another blog by Hu Bris…. Posted by: PissedOffAmerican | May 9 2012 14:02 utc | 54 “Other braver souls may choose to steel themselves against contaminants and read such studies altho I reckon that it would be difficult to research this and not have yer personal political beliefs reflect in the result.” Posted by: Marmite | May 9 2012 14:06 utc | 55 Quite intense reporting from Libya: In Libya, the Captors Have Become the Captive @ b Posted by: Marmite | May 9 2012 17:03 utc | 57
I have no problem with that statement. There is a growing body of research that not only our conscious minds but our unconscious preconceptions affect both our emotional response to and our beliefs about sensory input. Our perceptions are erroneous probably all of the time. They are only approximations of objective reality. One can predict with a high degree of accuracy just what a person’s response to a contentious subject (such as global climate change of nuclear dangers for example) will be by knowing their ideological beliefs. I have been aware of this since earlier life studies in psychology and later inner explorations but Leonard Mlodinow’s book Subliminal: How Your Unconscious Mind Rules Your Behavior [REVIEW] surprised me by how much all of our perceptions are in error so much of the time. Posted by: juannie | May 9 2012 21:32 utc | 58 it’s almost as if you lot have never even heard of the Freudian notion of ‘projection’. Posted by: Marmite | May 9 2012 23:27 utc | 59 On the one hand you say that Liberal/Leftists such as yourself are ‘open to new experiences’ and then immediately prove that the opposite is in fact true, by declaring that merely reading something that would challange your beliefs is anathema to you. Posted by: Marmite | May 9 2012 23:30 utc | 60 Irony or not my statement obviously wasn’t articulated clearly enough, I was trying to say that the findings in such ‘research’ would merely inform us of the researcher’s own political beliefs. I didn’t say I wouldn’t want to read something which challenged my own beliefs. As it happens I enjoy reading well-argued contrary points of view, altho like others I don’t derive pleasure from reading hateful and/or fraudulent claptrap. Posted by: Debs is dead | May 10 2012 2:05 utc | 61 I guess some sort of apology for misconstruing the intent of your earlier post is in order. Posted by: Marmite | May 10 2012 13:36 utc | 62 I seem to be always late. Anyway. Posted by: Noirette | May 10 2012 18:30 utc | 63 Marmite, Posted by: juannie | May 10 2012 21:00 utc | 64 “No, I do not live in terror of reading or hearing anything of which I might disagree, but I consider it a potential learning opportunity. You see, my primary motivation in life is to learn and to grow and to hopefully eventually transcend my frailties and errors.” Posted by: Marmite | May 11 2012 4:39 utc | 65 @ Noirette Posted by: Marmite | May 11 2012 4:45 utc | 66 cobweb Posted by: lotsofnoise | May 11 2012 13:20 utc | 67 Tweet from a Yemeni Great song DiD! Posted by: ran | May 12 2012 17:49 utc | 70 My hit, before I read your post ran, was Janis. She really rocks with an exuberance that is reminiscent of Janice. Never heard of them before but now I’m aware. Posted by: juannie | May 12 2012 20:55 utc | 71 re@69 Yemen – U.S. Drone Strikes Kill 10 Suspected Militants in Yemen
They are turning Yemen into a new Somalia or Waziristan. This is what passes for ‘economic analysis’ now in Germany. Posted by: ThePaper | May 14 2012 17:16 utc | 75 Re The Paper 75 Posted by: alexno | May 14 2012 19:40 utc | 76 I assume that b and others will have interesting input regarding this bit of good news from Macedonia, with detailed links. Posted by: Hannah K. O’Luthon | May 15 2012 5:33 utc | 77 Whocouldhaveknown: Concern grows over jihadist numbers in eastern Libya … The west (France, UK and even Quatar) were even at the planning of the revolution in Libya working with jihadis and Al-Quaida. And they were claiming not to know that the jihadists had a islamist agenda, saying they had agreed to the democratic rules. Profile: Libyan rebel commander Abdel Hakim Belhadj Posted by: Alexander | May 15 2012 21:14 utc | 80 Statens Straalevaern, in Norway, have many places in Norwegian mountains, Jotunheimen, recently measured 70 kilobequerel/m2, which is higher than allowed for grassing in meatproduction. Apparently, more places in Norway still has too high levels for foodproduction 26 years after Chernobyl, and as measurements progress, warnings for more areas will be issued. Posted by: Alexander | May 18 2012 17:04 utc | 81 I’m tuned in to the SpaceX web site to watch the launch of the Dragon cargo craft, which should take place in about 15 minutes. Here’s the link: Posted by: Dr. Wellington Yueh | May 19 2012 8:44 utc | 83 No launch! Engines shut down right at the zero mark. They’ll try again in a few days, I suppose. Posted by: Dr. Wellington Yueh | May 19 2012 9:01 utc | 84 The Total gas blowout from Elgin platform in the Nort-sea has been stopped by injecting mud into the leak. Total started the operation succeded with the operation two days ago, after the leak had dropped from 200 000 M3/day to 50 000 M3/day. Luckily the pressure of the leaking gas had been subsiding, and the injection of mud seem to have successfully stopped the remaining leak. The Planned drilling of two releaf-wells has been canceled, though one of the two had got well underway, but thankfully were not needed. Posted by: Alexander | May 19 2012 10:53 utc | 85 If true, this dispatch (picked up from a comment at Pat Lang’s SST site) regarding possible Israeli deployment of commandos in Cyprus is just what is needed to calm nerves regarding the stability of Greece and Turkey’s possible future membership in the EC. Posted by: Hannah K. O’Luthon | May 21 2012 5:24 utc | 86 |
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