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May 15, 2012
A Tragic Attack On UN Observers In Syria

The video below the fold shows an attack on a car of UN observers in Syria which is seemingly wounding or killing some civilians standing in front of the car. When the observers speed away to save themselves they seem to drive over some of those wounded or dead. The incident is said to have happened in Khan Sheikhun, a town in Idlib province said to be under opposition control.

The scenes of this low quality video will be controversial. One side will claim that it shows that some seemingly anti-Syrian government forces are trying to sabotage the UN mission by attacking the observers. The other will claim that some government agent did this. But the worst issue is that it will enrage both sides against the observers for panicking and driving over the wounded.

There are four UN marked white cars in a city street with a dozen people around mostly in front of the first car holding it up. The observers are within the cars and ready to drive away. There are a lot of shoes lying in the street probably from an earlier demonstration against these observers.

Suddenly a bang and smoke is coming from the front of the first car. As the smoke retreats on can see that the cars hood is partially blown up and that some people are now lying in front of the car likely wounded or dead.

The first car tries to back up twice to turn but can not move much as the second car is immediately behind it. It then speeds forward and over the people lying on the ground. The second car follows.

The third car which was standing a few yards behind follows too but manages to drive around the corpses. The fourth car which was standing immediately behind the third is speeding to overtake the third car and, probably not seeing them, also overruns the bodies.

Reuters reports an incident in Khan Sheikhoun but it does not immediately fit with what the video shows:

Beirut – A car belonging to U.N. monitors was damaged by an explosion while they toured the central Syrian town of Khan Sheikhoun on Tuesday but none of the monitors was hurt, a member of the observer team said.

“We went to observe and after a while shooting occurred,” he told Reuters by telephone, adding that the shooting was followed by the blast which damaged the car.

The seven-strong team had lost their vehicles and were trying to organise a safe return to their base, he said without giving details. Another monitor and a member of the Free Syrian Army (FSA) said they were with FSA rebels.

“We are safe with the Free Army and we are waiting for a (U.N.) group to pick us up,” the second monitor said.

How come the cars were good enough to drive away from the incident but are now all lost? There is also no shooting in the video. This then may be a different (coordinated?) attack or just the usual confusion following such events.

The video:

Another graphic video shows three wounded men in Khan Sheikhun probably related to the incident.

Comments

libyans did oppose the rats omen.
at least you have to decency to go from the grandiose “most people” to something more vague and humble.

Posted by: omen | May 17 2012 9:09 utc | 101

American M4A1 Rifle Being Used by The Free Syrian Army
http://theuglytruth.wordpress.com/2012/05/13/american-m4a1-rifle-being-used-by-the-free-syrian-army/
US arming the terrorists
Syria, Iran and a U.S.-GCC Weapons Leak
May 17, 2012 | 0127 GMT
The Washington Post reported Wednesday that U.S. officials have given the green light for weapons, funded by the Gulf Cooperation Council (GCC) states as well as the United States, to be delivered to rebels in Syria. According to the report, armaments including anti-tank weapons are making their way to the Syrian rebels and materiel is being stockpiled in Damascus, in Idlib near the Turkish border and in Zabadani on the Lebanese border. However, no U.S. troops or intelligence personnel were said to be in Syria.
Persistent rumors of such aid have been circulating for months, particularly originating in Beirut, as well as reports that U.S. Special Forces have been training and organizing the resistance. Beirut is a city filled with rumors, all contradictory and all delivered with conviction. It is impossible to believe that the United States has not sent intelligence personnel into Syria. The need to know what is happening on the ground and to make contact with the rebels is obviously crucial for Washington. Supplying weapons to rebels would also require such on-the-ground intelligence. It is possible that military personnel have not been deployed there, but if they were, Washington would deny it.
What is important about this is that it appeared in The Washington Post, and would appear to originate with official sources in Washington. Clearly, Washington now wants a number of facts to be known. First, weapons — including anti-tank weapons — are now being delivered. The latter is important since tanks have been a mainstay of the Syrian military in fighting the rebels. Second, the funding is coming from other Arab countries. Third, the weapons are already in the country, indicating that this has been going on for a while now. Finally, this does not mean the United States is becoming militarily involved.
It is interesting that the report comes on the heels of the GCC meeting that failed to move forward on unification policies. Fear of Iranian reaction, along with disagreement within the GCC over what unification would entail, caused the organization to postpone action. The decision left the United States, which had released weapons to Bahrain, in an exposed position. The U.S. decision to reveal that the GCC countries were aiding rebels in Syria alongside the United States was intended to let Iran know that relations between the United States and the GCC are good. It was also intended to demonstrate that the United States was prepared to take a stand against Syrian President Bashar al Assad’s regime, and to take it publicly, if only by leak.
It is also interesting that Israeli news outlet Haaretz leaked that Israeli military intelligence chief Maj. Gen. Aviv Kochavi “secretly” visited Washington and the United Nations headquarters in New York two weeks ago and allegedly delivered an Israeli reassessment that Israeli interests would be better served by toppling Assad than by preserving the Assad regime. That statement struck as potentially counterproductive as Israel’s opposition strengthens the case for Assad in many circles. In addition, it is unclear what the Israelis can do in Syria. Still, it was another sign that the United States was trying to organize a more public and active opposition to Assad.
The reason for U.S. concern is obvious. As Stratfor has been saying, the survival of the Assad regime would extend Iranian influence to the Mediterranean. The United States has been opposing strikes on Iran directly, but it obviously feels that it must become more assertive on Syria. The problem with this story is that it is not clear that the Syrian opposition can utilize the weapons. By all accounts, they are so divided and dispersed that putting these weapons to effective use is going to be difficult.
A peculiarity of the story is that it names the places where the weapons have been stockpiled. We assume that part of the story is false, as it will cause the Syrians to leave no stone unturned to find the weapons. It may be that the story itself was planted to drive the Syrians to tremendous wasted effort. This is a story that in general makes sense. The United States needs to act against Assad to block the Iranians, and the weapons have been flowing for a while. What doesn’t make sense are the details on timing, location and the presence of U.S. personnel.
Those details actually lend credibility to the leak.
Comments? Send them to responses@stratfor.com

Posted by: brian | May 17 2012 9:58 utc | 102

Assad doest arm terrorists islamic or otherwise..the US and saudi arabia do

Posted by: brian | May 17 2012 10:00 utc | 103

Months ago, Hillary Clinton said. not to worry – arms will find their way to the rebels.

Posted by: Alexander | May 17 2012 10:05 utc | 104

Omen should get familiar with evidence…so far he has little beyond vague notions

Posted by: brian | May 17 2012 10:12 utc | 105

US Officially Arming Extremists in Syria
Denied no longer, US officials admit US-Saudi cash & logistical support arming terrorists in Syria.
http://landdestroyer.blogspot.de/2012/05/us-officially-arming-extremists-in.html

Posted by: brian | May 17 2012 10:24 utc | 106

Omen – are you thick or something? It is those fat old despots who run the GCC who are the largest sponsors of Islamist terrorists. What money they don’t spend on gambling, drugs and prostitutes, is spent paying rather stupid fanatical Muslims to kill other Muslims. The GCC despots will do anything to stay in power as they don’t like lampposts!

Posted by: blowback | May 17 2012 11:15 utc | 107

Blowback, that was a wrong call; you’re being very insulting to people you know very little about and sounding like an adult version of Omen. One of those rulers you are disparaging came through with $200 million to rebuild one of New Orleans’ suburbs destroyed by Katrina.

Posted by: www | May 17 2012 15:13 utc | 108

200 millions?..while the US govt left New orleans to rot…and now the GCC (same guy) are hoping to do a man made Katrina on Syria

Posted by: brian | May 17 2012 16:05 utc | 109

Washington Post says US coordinating terrorist insurgents in syria:
And today there was this in the Washington Post:
Syrian rebels battling the regime of President Bashar al-Assad have begun receiving significantly more and better weapons in recent weeks, an effort paid for by Persian Gulf nations and coordinated in part by the United States, according to opposition activists and U.S. and foreign officials.
http://www.counterpunch.org/2012/05/17/is-syria-going-straight-to-hell/

Posted by: brian | May 17 2012 16:59 utc | 110

In Norwegian news on TV today, there was a image of rebels, announcing that the UN observers had been released safely from the rebels. I don’t get this, it was like a personal message to reassure the observers families. But no mention of a kidnapping anywhere on official Norwegian newsoutlets.

Posted by: Alexander | May 17 2012 17:40 utc | 111

Kofi Annan has nothing to say about Us, Qatar and Saudis arming the rebels while UN observers are in Syria to aid a UN-sponsored “peace plan”?

Posted by: claudio | May 17 2012 17:44 utc | 112

Indeed claudio, that is strange.

Posted by: Alexander | May 17 2012 18:00 utc | 113

Omen – are you thick or something? It is those fat old despots who run the GCC who are the largest sponsors of Islamist terrorists. What money they don’t spend on gambling, drugs and prostitutes, is spent paying rather stupid fanatical Muslims to kill other Muslims. The GCC despots will do anything to stay in power as they don’t like lampposts!
Posted by: blowback | May 17, 2012 7:15:13 AM

you must have missed my earlier reply where i noted that the proper response to 9/11 would have been to invade saudi arabia, not afghanistan.

Posted by: omen | May 17 2012 22:07 utc | 114

Omen should get familiar with evidence…so far he has little beyond vague notions
Posted by: brian | May 17, 2012 6:12:59 AM | 105

but you did agree with me that the syrian regimes sponsors islamic terrorists. can you do me a favor and explain that to www?

Posted by: omen | May 17 2012 22:10 utc | 115

i’m sorry, i shouldn’t have made that last snipe in the last sentence of my last post.

Blowback, that was a wrong call; you’re being very insulting to people you know very little about and sounding like an adult version of Omen. One of those rulers you are disparaging came through with $200 million to rebuild one of New Orleans’ suburbs destroyed by Katrina.
Posted by: www | May 17, 2012 11:13:20 AM | 108

which ruler was that?

Posted by: omen | May 17 2012 22:13 utc | 116

Regarding Syria’s parliamentary election results, I found it strange how the Syrian State media reported the results. Their reports gave the nationwide turnout percentage, and then talked at some length about the number of women who were elected to parliament, but they did NOT give a breakdown of the results by political party. (Examples: http://www.sana.sy/eng/21/2012/05/15/419139.htm , http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=anSFnLDzlZQ ).
Mainstream news media outlets outside Syria merely rehashed the Syrian State official reports. And thus they too were lacking in the information about the number of seats won by the various political parties. Hence you yourself may very well be lacking the same info, unless you’ve dug into some sources off the beaten path.
The National Unity List, which is dominated by the Syrian Baath Party, won more than 150 seats in the 250 member parliament. Independents won more than 90 seats. Longstanding opposition parties won five seats. Among the newly established opposition parties (established since August 2011), only one single seat was won, namely a seat in Aleppo won by the Syrian Democratic Party. Most of the winning independent individuals are on record supporting national unity under the leadership of the Assad government. http://www.english.moqawama.org/essaydetails.php?eid=19931&cid=269
The political make-up of the new parliament is thus very similar to that of the previous parliament.
The head of the Syrian Democratic Party, Ahmad Koussa, conceded that the wins by the National Unity List are proof that the people of Syria support the current government to lead them through the current crisis. In Arabic @ http://www.dp-news.com/aswatsouria/detail.aspx?articleid=120618
The Chairman of the Elections Supervisory Committee, Khalaf al-Azzawi, announced that the turnout rate was 51.26% nationwide but he declined to give a breakdown for turnout by province, nor turnout in the localities hard hit by the violent uprising. He said that the Elections Supervisory Sub-Committees in each of the provinces can give such information; Arabic @ http://www.dp-news.com/aswatsouria/detail.aspx?articleid=120506 . However, I myself haven’t tracked down a publication of that information.

Posted by: Parviziyi | May 17 2012 22:14 utc | 117

Kofi Annan has nothing to say about Us, Qatar and Saudis arming the rebels while UN observers are in Syria to aid a UN-sponsored “peace plan”?
Posted by: claudio | May 17, 2012 1:44:49 PM | 112

the pentagon is defending russia continuing arming the syrian regime. iran is also getting away with supplying the regime.
A top Pentagon official is trying to stop congressional opposition to a deal that provides Russian helicopters to the Afghan military — even as the same official Russian arms exporter also supplies Syrian dictator Bashar Assad with weapons used to massacre dissidents.
http://www.wired.com/dangerroom/2012/05/pentagon-rosoboronexport/
and for those who argue a government has a legitimate right to defend themselves – bullshit. assad regime has zero legitimacy to rule that country.

Posted by: omen | May 17 2012 22:18 utc | 118

Months ago, Hillary Clinton said. not to worry – arms will find their way to the rebels.
Posted by: Alexander | May 17, 2012 6:05:02 AM | 104

obviously there has been a shift in u.s. policy, but previous to this, obama was going around and pressuring qatar and saudi arabia not to arm the rebels. how many people died as a result of obama doing this? because civilians were denied a chance to defend themselves against a regime gone mad and run by psychopaths?

Posted by: omen | May 17 2012 22:22 utc | 119

Eventually the Syrian government will have to again take up the fight against the carbombing terrorists, if not the rebel opposition too. And probably sooner rather than later. If a foreignly funded gang of criminals, terrorists and rebels rallied for armed revolution and bind terrorattacks in my country, I sure wouldn’t let my government get away with not going after them.
And recently, the general western public has seen the need for this too, it shows on the average comments on western news, and the actual western newsreports too. When the terrorist rebels go after even UN-observers and western journalists, then they are going to loose their western support. No amount of rebel-friendly statements from Hillary Clinton can counter that.
And Omen, as long as Syria are not officially in a armed conflict with another country, then selling weapons to the government is perfectly legitimate, from a UN point of view.

Posted by: Alexander | May 17 2012 22:39 utc | 120

as long as Syria are not officially in a armed conflict with another country, then selling weapons to the government is perfectly legitimate, from a UN point of view.
Posted by: Alexander | May 17, 2012 6:39:38 PM | 120

actually, no, alexander, iran is under sanctions:
Iran flouts UN sanctions, sends arms to Syria

UNITED NATIONS – Syria remains the top destination for Iranian arms shipments in violation of a UN Security Council ban on weapons exports by the Islamic Republic, according to a confidential draft report by a UN panel of experts seen by Reuters on Wednesday.
[…]
The report, which the expert panel has submitted to the Security Council’s Iran sanctions committee, said there were three seizures of large shipments of Iranian weapons investigated by the panel over the past year.
“Two of these cases involved the Syrian Arab Republic, as were the majority of cases inspected by the Panel during its previous mandate, underscoring that Syria continues to be the central party to illicit Iranian arms transfers,” it said.

Posted by: omen | May 17 2012 23:44 utc | 121

When the terrorist rebels go after even UN-observers and western journalists, then they are going to loose their western support.
Posted by: Alexander | May 17, 2012 6:39:38 PM | 12

alexander, you just pointed to the answer without realizing it. this is exactly right. it isn’t in the rebels’ interest to commit terrorists acts.
western journalists realize this as well. bbc news and aljazeera have been able to reach out to the rebels and have won interviews with them. media wouldn’t do so if they felt the least bit threatened by them.
now rebels targeting the regime military and security forces – they’re a legitimate target. doing so is an act of self defense.
but it doesn’t serve the rebels’ interests to kill civilians.

Posted by: omen | May 17 2012 23:52 utc | 122

>>> which ruler was that?>>>
It was Qatar’s emir, Sheikh Hamad bin Khalifa al-Thani. The amount was $100 million and not $200 million.
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/04/30/us/nationalspecial/30emir.html
Saudia’s investment in the US is about $400 billion and the 6 GCC states about $300 billion.

Posted by: www | May 18 2012 4:11 utc | 123

Free Syria Army, those are the guys that blasted bombs on UN observers, and gave them protection. A lot of the opposition are pro-intervention, and a lot are not. Actually they are very fragmented, even so, a lot of them are terrorists. but most of them want the ceasefire called off, most of all all the Quatar, Saudi, USA and French portion of the rebels.

Posted by: Alexander | May 18 2012 5:03 utc | 124

Posted by: Parviziyi | May 17, 2012 6:14:13 PM | 117
why don’t you post this on syria comment?
http://www.joshualandis.com/blog/
how come i don’t see you there?

Posted by: omen | May 18 2012 5:15 utc | 125

Free Syria Army, those are the guys that blasted bombs on UN observers, […]a lot of them are terrorists.
Posted by: Alexander | May 18, 2012 1:03:58 AM | 124
please view this video.
http://www.youtube.com/embed/F-wfOpPhLLc
Fake Terrorist Attacks in Syria

No one who follows Middle East conflicts should be shocked to discover that the Syrian government is staging terrorist attacks against itself.
For a year now the Assad regime has claimed it’s fighting our war against radical Islamist terrorist “gangs,” even though we all know Damascus is the biggest state-sponsor of radical Islamist terrorism in the Arab world. And those of us who followed and reported on the 2006 war in Lebanon, Operation Cast Lead in Gaza, and the Second Intifada in Israel and the West Bank know chapter and verse how Middle Eastern terrorist organizations and their sponsors manipulate the media by using actors, Photoshop, bogus hysterical claims, etc. It’s de rigueur over there.

Posted by: omen | May 18 2012 5:31 utc | 126

>>> Kofi Annan has nothing to say about Us, Qatar and Saudis arming the rebels while UN observers are in Syria to aid a UN-sponsored “peace plan”?>>>
Claudio, the UN and anything to do with it like Kofi Annan will say only those things that the US wants them to say. There are interests at play; for the US, it’s about the oil and Iran to please Israel and the Gulf Arabs and for the Gulf Arabs it’s about a religious issue and of weakening Iran by way of Syria.

Posted by: www | May 18 2012 6:36 utc | 127

Just about now Kofi Annan must feel pretty used for committing to this sketchy peace-plan. He lent his name to the UN, and get exploited hard by the US who are making a mockery of the whole deal, as well as the royal pains in arabia.

Posted by: Alexander | May 18 2012 8:28 utc | 128

what terrorists is president Assad sponsoring, OMEN?
not alqaeda…not LIFG…not KLA…not MEK…not Mossad… even the US army….so who?

Posted by: brian | May 18 2012 9:28 utc | 129

‘No one who follows Middle East conflicts should be shocked to discover that the Syrian government is staging terrorist attacks against itself.’
well OMEN…id be surprised….cause its not happening…the attackers are real..and even have a name: al nursa
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-18048033
am i right in thinking both Omen and his source see the palestinians/lebanese and not the israelis as the terrorists?

Posted by: brian | May 18 2012 9:32 utc | 130

Alexander, about the merits of Kofi Annan, Cartalucci wrote back in March:
>>> It must surely warm the cockles of the Syrian people’s hearts to realize Annan, with direct ties to the Neo-Conservative establishment who has long sought Syria’s destabilization and the Israel government as well as its financial institutions, is so “concerned” about establishing peace in a conflict where Syrian rebels and foreign militants are turning up with US and Israeli weapons in their hands. It must also warm their hearts to see direct admissions from the Brookings Insitution that Annan’s mission is simply to buy time for a faltering foreign-funded rebellion so that it may be preserved and rehabilitated back to full strength under the guise of a “peace deal.”>>>
http://www.infowars.com/uns-kofi-annan-an-agent-of-wall-street/

Posted by: www | May 18 2012 9:34 utc | 131

the author of Omens article on terrorism is by syrias govt is Michaelo Totten…so who is he?
‘Totten traveled to Baghdad to embed with several U.S. Army units before transitioning to Anbar province and embedding with Marines.[4] In late 2007 he embedded with Marines in Fallujah, and he embedded again with the Army in Baghdad in late 2008.’
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_Totten
so according to WIKI this fellow is not a real journalist…hes an in bed with the US propaganda artist..How much of what he writes is his observations and how much is US state dept propaganda?
Thanks OMEN..thanks for showins us that there is terrorism in syria and its not by the syrian govt but by the fellows you and Totte are defending

Posted by: brian | May 18 2012 9:37 utc | 132

more on Totten..would you buy a used car from this man?
‘Totten has described himself as a “weird combination of liberal, libertarian, and neocon.”[6] He has supported the Iraq War, stating during the run-up, “If you don’t join us now, when Saddam’s regime falls and Iraqis cheer the US Marines, you are really going to feel like a jackass. And your jackassery will be exposed beneath klieg lights for all to see.”‘
yes he is wierd…hes no liberal…tho…hes what americans have become..at best deluded puppets of the real neocons!

Posted by: brian | May 18 2012 9:39 utc | 133

someone tell OMEN the UNSC is NOT the UN..the UNGA is the UN
Iran is allowed to sell weapons just as the US is allowed to sell weapons..and does to terrorists such as the KLA LIFG and Israel..Israel also takes US weapons and sells them to china! LOL
Breaking UNSC sanctions is perfectly legal and even admirable…the UNSC is a front for the US war on the middle east and africa

Posted by: brian | May 18 2012 9:45 utc | 134

a little background on the ‘arab spring(REGD TM)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lpXbA6yZY-8

Posted by: brian | May 18 2012 9:59 utc | 135

– The violence in Syria has been predominantly carried out by extremist groups, tied to Al Qaeda, and organized, funded, staged, and armed by the United States, Israel, and Saudi Arabia, with Lebanon’s Hariri faction playing a major supporting role. Starting as early as 2007, it was reported that Syria’s notoriously violent Muslim Brotherhood was already receiving support from the West to begin undermining Syria as part of a grander strategy to to break the Iranian-Syrian-Hezbollah sphere of influence across the region.
http://landdestroyer.blogspot.com.au/2012/05/us-kurdish-threat-aimed-at-turkey-not.html

Posted by: brian | May 18 2012 10:16 utc | 136

brian did you watch the youtube video? the one culled from regime news media broadcast?
http://www.youtube.com/embed/F-wfOpPhLLc
‘No one who follows Middle East conflicts should be shocked to discover that the Syrian government is staging terrorist attacks against itself.’
well OMEN…id be surprised….cause its not happening…the attackers are real..and even have a name: al nursa
Posted by: brian | May 18, 2012 5:32:21 AM | 130

.
al nusra. a group so new that it was only formed months ago with no history. it could be front for anybody, including the regime.
brian, why is it believable that bush and his team could be capable of launching false flag operations but not assad? why do you hold out bashar as some kind of saint? did you not read the marxist article i cited and the bloody history it recounted?

Posted by: omen | May 18 2012 10:40 utc | 137

what terrorists is president Assad sponsoring, OMEN?
not alqaeda…not LIFG…not KLA…not MEK…not Mossad… even the US army….so who?
Posted by: brian | May 18, 2012 5:28:45 AM | 129
– The violence in Syria has been predominantly carried out by extremist groups, tied to Al Qaeda, and organized, funded, staged, and armed by the United States, Israel, and Saudi Arabia, with Lebanon’s Hariri faction playing a major supporting role. Starting as early as 2007, it was reported that Syria’s notoriously violent Muslim Brotherhood was already receiving support from the West to begin undermining Syria as part of a grander strategy to to break the Iranian-Syrian-Hezbollah sphere of influence across the region.
http://landdestroyer.blogspot.com.au/2012/05/us-kurdish-threat-aimed-at-turkey-not.html
Posted by: brian | May 18, 2012 6:16:36 AM | 136

first of all, the term al qaeda when referenced to iraq is a political term. any terror group that struck in iraq was labeled as “al qaeda” — something that juan cole points out.
second of all. the government set up in iraq is lead by shias. iraq is actively supporting the syrian regime allowing iraq to be used to smuggle arms from iran.

Posted by: omen | May 18 2012 10:48 utc | 138

what terrorists is president Assad sponsoring, OMEN?
not alqaeda…not LIFG…not KLA…not MEK…not Mossad… even the US army….so who?
Posted by: brian | May 18, 2012 5:28:45 AM | 129

here is another shia group known for suicide bombings and use of IEDs.
On July 21, 2010 General Ray Odierno said Iran is supporting three Shiite groups in Iraq that have been attempting to attack US bases. One of the groups were Promised Day Brigades, the others were Ketaib Hezbollah and Asaib Ahl al-Haq (League of the Righteous).[9] US officials believe that of these three groups, the Promised Day Brigades poses the greatest threat to Iraq’s long-term security.[2]
In 2011, the group was accused of sending fighters to Syria to support the government of Bashar al-Assad fight Sunni insurgents and protesters during the 2011 Syrian uprising.[10]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Promised_Day_Brigades
remember, the marxist article also pointed out assad sent militants to iraq to kill americans using IEDs.

Posted by: omen | May 18 2012 10:58 utc | 139

am i right in thinking both Omen and his source see the palestinians/lebanese and not the israelis as the terrorists?
Posted by: brian | May 18, 2012 5:32:21 AM | 130

no. israel IS another state sponsor of terrorism. i long for palestine to be free. my position is consistent. i don’t support tyranny in any form.

Posted by: omen | May 18 2012 11:06 utc | 140

brian, that “foiled” suicide bombing in aleppo video that you posted:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X2_qayPTyz8&feature=youtu.be
how can you look at this and not recognize this was staged?

Posted by: omen | May 18 2012 11:26 utc | 141

– The violence in Syria has been predominantly carried out by extremist groups, tied to Al Qaeda, and organized, funded, staged, and armed by the United States, Israel, and Saudi Arabia, with Lebanon’s Hariri faction playing a major supporting role. Starting as early as 2007, it was reported that Syria’s notoriously violent Muslim Brotherhood was already receiving support from the West to begin undermining Syria as part of a grander strategy to to break the Iranian-Syrian-Hezbollah sphere of influence across the region.
http://landdestroyer.blogspot.com.au/2012/05/us-kurdish-threat-aimed-at-turkey-not.html
Posted by: brian | May 18, 2012 6:16:36 AM | 136

go back and read my marxist cite. syria was responsible for slaughtering palestinian leftists in lebanon. syria isn’t an advocate for palestine. it merely exploits the issue to gain domestic support.
here, i’ll get it for you:
Assad’s relationship to Israeli and US imperialism

During the Lebanese civil war, from 1975-1990, the Syrian regime and its proxies engaged in a direct offensive to repress the revolutionary left-wing movements, particularly represented by the left-wing Palestinian groups and the Lebanese Communist Party. Assad supported the right-wing Maronite regime and the far-right paramilitary squads that were used to drown the movement in blood.
From the standpoint of the Syrian regime, the mass left-wing movements in a neighbouring country represented a threat that could spread to Syria. Assad also wanted to establish and consolidate his influence in Lebanon. The Syrian military and Syrian-backed local groups directly intervened in the civil war. They also actively encouraged sectarian differences, much as Assad has done at home in Syria. During the mid-to-late 1970s, they were able to repress the Lebanese Communist Party and the Palestinian revolutionary groups. After succeeding in destroying left-wing groups in Lebanon, they turned to destroying the Syrian left groups, including the Communist Labour Party and the Syrian Communist Party.
Throughout the civil war in Lebanon, both Syria and Israel established significant control over the country. Though both Syria and Israel had tense and at times conflicting interests, they united to share power in Lebanon and to drown the revolutionary movements in blood.

Posted by: omen | May 18 2012 11:48 utc | 142

syria is still torturing palestinians. what kind of an advocate does that?
By AFP
BEIRUT

Prominent leftist Palestinian writer Salameh Kaileh, freed recently after being arrested in Syria last month, was tortured during his detention, the Syrian Observatory for Human Rights said on Tuesday.
The Britain-based watchdog distributed several photographs showing large bruises and burn marks on Kaileh’s arms and legs.
It accused security forces of employing “extreme brutality” to “intimidate and break the will of” detainees, saying Kaileh is but one of many examples of tortured prisoners.
The Observatory denounced the “systematic policy of torture,” which has led to “the death of a large number of detainees” and called for the formation of investigation commissions.
The 57-year-old writer, born in Birzeit, West Bank, is a well-known writer who has written books on subjects ranging from Marxism to Arab nationalism. Kaileh was imprisoned by the Syrian government in the 1990s for eight years.

Posted by: omen | May 18 2012 11:51 utc | 143

Pointing the torture finger around in this conflict is pointless, a distraction especially cause since fukusi re-legitimised torture early this century everyone has been at it. You’ll note that the bloke allegedly tortured by the Syrian government lived through his interrogation which is more than can be said for Syrian soldiers and policemen captured by the rebels.
As for the lame claim of Syrian government false flagging terrorist attacks in their own society that is plain ridiculous as it fails the prime test for false flag attacks. cui bono.
Syrian establishment has nothing to gain and everything to lose from such an attack. This is an intelligent administration keenly aware of how the western media portrays them; they know any violence will be blamed on them, by western media outlets and are more interested in winning the conflict domestically than in the foreign media.
To do that they have to show Syrians they can reduce the level of violence in their society.
Syria has long been a peaceful community where most people accepted the trade off between security and the need to accept an authoritarian administration.
The government knows that if they do reduce the violence they will win as does the opposition which is why they have sunken to extreme violence indiscriminately slaughtering fellow Syrians. The leaders of this insurrection will have the same egocentric & archaic power hungry tactics as the sociopaths fukusi financed in Libya.
They would kill their mothers if it meant they got to be a Syrian dictator. Of course fukusi won’t tolerate that in Syria cause there is definitely no pay off in resources, so they will get the different sects infighting with each other as soon as they ‘win’. if they win which is doubtful.
It will be worse in Syria than Libya, cause in Libya fukusi need a few pockets of calm around the oilfields, refineries and port facilities so they can rip off the goodies. They don’t need that in Syria where israel will insist that Syria remain a permanent failed state at war with itself for ever.

Posted by: Debs is dead | May 18 2012 12:54 utc | 144

@139 –

“Shiite groups in Iraq that have been attempting to attack US bases”

aside of the fact that the Us definition of terrorism is quite inconsistent, to say the least, and aside of the truthfulness of the assertion, the fact is that attacks on foreign military bases have nothing to do with the terrorism we are talking about in Syria, that is, indiscriminate attacks on civilians just to create chaos and fear

Posted by: claudio | May 18 2012 13:37 utc | 145

You’ll note that the bloke allegedly tortured by the Syrian government lived through his interrogation which is more than can be said for Syrian soldiers and policemen captured by the rebels.
he survived because he has some measure of fame. unknowns get slaughtered.
the regime itself has killed its own soldiers who’ve tried to defect.
As for the lame claim of Syrian government false flagging terrorist attacks in their own society that is plain ridiculous as it fails the prime test for false flag attacks. cui bono.
it doesn’t fail it at all. the regime itself admits that terror attacks “would give credibility to the syrian government.” see video:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F-wfOpPhLLc&feature=player_embedded
by the regime staging terror attacks, the story gets into all the headlines. the regime exploits it by casting blame on the opposition in an attempt to discredit it. invoking the word “al qaeda” sets the west on edge and discourages intervention. this is obvious. how do you not see it?
another motive: the regime has been losing domestic support. even loyalist are starting to grumble. questioning the results of the election – is one manifestation.
see Parviziyi | May 17, 2012 6:14:13 PM for one example.
assad is even beginning to lose support from the business class who have long been loyal. the regime staging terror attacks is a desperate attempt to shore back his base again by presenting a “it’s me or alqaeda” false choice.
what did bush do whenever his support started flagging or when one of his scandals was getting too much media attention? his minions would issue a code color terror alert. same thing here. the staged suicide bombing took attention off regime actrocities and pointed blame elsewhere.

Posted by: omen | May 18 2012 13:41 utc | 146

‘the Syrian Observatory for Human Rights said on Tuesday.’
sorrhy but thats not a valid source….

Posted by: brian | May 18 2012 13:52 utc | 147

omen 141
sorry but thats not staged..is that your best shot?

Posted by: brian | May 18 2012 13:56 utc | 148

You’ll note that the bloke allegedly tortured by the Syrian government lived through his interrogation which is more than can be said for Syrian soldiers and policemen captured by the rebels.
Posted by: Debs is dead | May 18, 2012 8:54:43 AM | 144

this claim that the rebels kill everyone – is not what this reporter found when he went to interview fsa:

The group had taken over security responsibilities in northern Qusayr, even bringing at least one former police officer back to work, but Idris said the group’s main focus was on continuing attacks against the Syrian military and protecting civilians from the army’s attacks.
Human rights groups have accused Farouq of abuses, and leaders of the Baba Amr group acknowledged they continue to hold five Iranian citizens they captured in Homs, who they claim are Iranian agents working with the Syrian government.

hostages that the fsa returned alive. something even this website (moa) has acknowledged.
the article continues:

The group also has been accused of targeting Christians in Homs. But interviews with Syrian Christian refugees who’d fled to Lebanon from Homs and Qusayr uncovered no evidence that Christians were targeted because of their religion. Rather, Christian refugees from Qusayr said that a Christian man and 16 others working with government security forces in Qusayr had been captured by Farouq fighters in March, prompting some Christians to flee. Members of Farouq confirmed the story, as well as the arrests.
Idris’ deputy also admitted unapologetically that Farouq fighters had carried out at least one summary execution, of a man it says was a captured member of air force intelligence, one of the most feared branches of Assad’s security services.

http://www.kansascity.com/2012/04/22/3572128/rare-inside-view-of-syrias-rebels.html
one execution and not masses like the speigel article painted of a “burial brigade.”

Posted by: omen | May 18 2012 13:58 utc | 149

no. israel IS another state sponsor of terrorism. i long for palestine to be free. my position is consistent. i don’t support tyranny in any form.
Posted by: omen | May 18, 2012 7:06:24 AM | 140
oh good! then you support Syrias govt..cause not to is to support the Muslim brotherhood and the salafists…and if you want to see what syria would be like under them,,,look to saudi arabia…caus then you ARE suppporting tyranny
why are the Omens of the world such knuckleheads?

Posted by: brian | May 18 2012 14:00 utc | 150

I don’t think its productive bending over backwards to persuade omen the terror attacks are done by the rebel opposition, most institutions we have been trying to persuade have finally realized the facts by now. As an example, the attack from the topic was admittedly a Free Syrian Army attack, and the rebels eventually released the UN hostages who now serve as vitnesses. So, it’s no longer a productive area of discussion.

Posted by: Alexander | May 18 2012 14:02 utc | 151

aside of the fact that the Us definition of terrorism is quite inconsistent, to say the least, and aside of the truthfulness of the assertion, the fact is that attacks on foreign military bases have nothing to do with the terrorism we are talking about in Syria, that is, indiscriminate attacks on civilians just to create chaos and fear
Posted by: claudio | May 18, 2012 9:37:10 AM | 145

ah, but insurgency terror groups in iraq also targeted and indiscriminately killed civilians. fellow iraqis.

Posted by: omen | May 18 2012 14:03 utc | 152

omen 141
why quote the lying marxists? and troskyites at that(Neocons were also troskyites) what has anything they say to do with the current president Assad?
Guess who provdes free education to palestiniasn children.;..syrias govt…who allows palestinians in syria,.the govt

Posted by: brian | May 18 2012 14:05 utc | 153

‘al nusra. a group so new that it was only formed months ago with no history. it could be front for anybody, including the regime.’
madness on the cusp of desperation.LOL
The idea that the syrian govt targets itself to blame it on the terrorist opposition is real desperation…is that what they have you doing in Langley these days? it only confirms your lack of real evidence and arguement

Posted by: brian | May 18 2012 14:08 utc | 154

oh good! then you support Syrias govt..cause not to is to support the Muslim brotherhood and the salafists…and if you want to see what syria would be like under them,,,look to saudi arabia…caus then you ARE suppporting tyranny why are the Omens of the world such knuckleheads?
Posted by: brian | May 18, 2012 10:00:42 AM | 150

reporter nir rosen lived in syria for a bit. he left in late feb. he reported there wasn’t a large presence of salafists in syria. they are a minority of a minority. said The Salafi ideology just hasn’t been as important in Syria.
syria, in terms of the populace, is a moderate country. they’re suspicious of extremists like salafists.

Posted by: omen | May 18 2012 14:11 utc | 155

im not trying to persuade our man from langley, omen…but his choice of quoting trotskies and kansas yankees does not say much for his consistency…merely his desperation to defend the muslim brotherhood!
which is his weak spot: his need to defend the islamic terrorists leads him to searching out and and all allies.

Posted by: brian | May 18 2012 14:12 utc | 156

and no syrias govt does not sponsor terrorism…even Omen hasnt proven that braze charge

Posted by: brian | May 18 2012 14:13 utc | 157

The idea that the syrian govt targets itself to blame it on the terrorist opposition is real desperation
Posted by: brian | May 18, 2012 10:08:14 AM | 154
the regime isn’t the people of syria – so it doesn’t “target itself.”
the regime kills civilians all of the time. whether it uses the regime army or stages fake alqaeda attacks. what’s the difference?

Posted by: omen | May 18 2012 14:15 utc | 158

if Rosen is your source, thast even worse than the marxists….lets see him prove his assertion.,.next you and he will claim there are no islamic terrorists car bombing syrians…

Posted by: brian | May 18 2012 14:18 utc | 159

the syrian govt is supported by its people…and no they arent killing the people or we’d not see this:
http://lizzie-phelan.blogspot.com.au/2012/04/citizens-of-homs-if-army-leaves-homs-we.html
and
http://lizzie-phelan.blogspot.com.au/2012/04/students-from-homs-thank-syrian.html
and lets not forget Mother Angnes:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ysKtld_VGbk
Omen keeps showing his support for the terrorists who camp in turkey and jordan and raid syria with terrorising car bombs IEDS and snipers

Posted by: brian | May 18 2012 14:22 utc | 160

Omen keeps making assertions such as Syria govt stages terror attacks yet cant prove it….next he will be telling us the salafists are the govt in disguise

Posted by: brian | May 18 2012 14:23 utc | 161

It is also interesting that Israeli news outlet Haaretz leaked that Israeli military intelligence chief Maj. Gen. Aviv Kochavi “secretly” visited Washington and the United Nations headquarters in New York two weeks ago and allegedly delivered an Israeli reassessment that Israeli interests would be better served by toppling Assad than by preserving the Assad regime.
The reason for U.S. concern is obvious. As Stratfor has been saying, the survival of the Assad regime would extend Iranian influence to the Mediterranean. The United States has been opposing strikes on Iran directly, but it obviously feels that it must become more assertive on Syria. The problem with this story is that it is not clear that the Syrian opposition can utilize the weapons. By all accounts, they are so divided and dispersed that putting these weapons to effective use is going to be difficult.Comments? Send them to responses@stratfor.com
Posted by: brian | May 17, 2012 5:58:42 AM | 102

brian, strafor has been described as neocon-esque as well.
if israel really wanted assad gone, he would be gone already. instead the u.s. has been dragging its feet about aiding the opposition. israeli pressure against helping is probably to blame for u.s. footdragging. israel is also there to get assurances that make sure rebels don’t get anti-tank weaponery like the rebels have been clamoring for. because the potential of such an arsenal could then be later used against israel.

Posted by: omen | May 18 2012 14:26 utc | 162

‘The Salafi ideology just hasn’t been as important in Syria.
syria, in terms of the populace, is a moderate country. they’re suspicious of extremists like salafists’
omens first honest statement…thats why the syrian people support their govt and not the salafists and muslim brotherhood….
https://www.google.com.au/search?hl=en&q=syrians+rally+assad+ummayad&bav=on.2,or.r_gc.r_pw.r_qf.,cf.osb&biw=948&bih=463&um=1&ie=UTF-8&tbm=isch&source=og&sa=N&tab=wi&ei=2lu2T9OUL66ViQemzLz3CA
as you can see the syria govt has the support of the people
http://www.presstv.ir/detail/220597.html
Omen has the syrian govt terroring syrians?LOL thats the desperation borne of US state dept and marxists on the slide…they need to demonise the govt in order to lose them the peoples support

Posted by: brian | May 18 2012 14:29 utc | 163

Syrians have organized a sit-in in Damascus to condemn the deadly bomb attacks, which took place in al-Qazzaz area in the capital on Thursday. The protesters, including representatives of newly established political parties, demanded that the UN put pressure on some neighboring Arab countries that instigate and support the violence in Syria. They also chanted slogans, rejecting all forms of foreign intervention in Syria’s internal affairs.
http://www.presstv.ir/detail/240759.html

Posted by: brian | May 18 2012 14:35 utc | 164

@omen you never answer, you just shift topic
in discussing who to blame for the bombing of civilians in Syria you stated the Syrian government used terrorism, you were asked for an example and you cited something completely unrelated, when questioned again you talked about “insurgency terror groups in iraq”
you are giving the impression you just want to seem to have had the last word on everything, but instead you are only the last example of many attempts to “occupy” our precious threads, where open minds exchange links and opinions to get a better understanding of what goes on
and no, the Us government and the MSM aren’t a reliable source for us;
and no, we don’t believe the Us, Qatar and Saudi Arabia are spreading democracy in the Middle East;
and I daresay, if not all, at least most of us believe that criticizing Assad while he is under attack only serves colonialists’ interests; no matter how good or bad Assad is, we think that descent into a failed-state will make people’s lives worse

Posted by: claudio | May 18 2012 14:35 utc | 165

stratfor has been a good source of info on terrorists esp the LIFG.
and israel wants assad gone…bit they also fear what happens if he is…same as wit Iran…they want iran gone and fear what happens if they do bomb nuclear plants
You even more than the israels want Assad gone..that way Syria will become a marxist paradise.LOL

Posted by: brian | May 18 2012 14:38 utc | 166

Guess who provdes free education to palestiniasn children.;..syrias govt…who allows palestinians in syria,.the govt Posted by: brian | May 18, 2012 10:05:51 AM | 153
hamas cut ties to the syrian regime. and support for hezbollah and nasrallah has plummeted in the arab world.

Posted by: omen | May 18 2012 14:41 utc | 167

omen seems to want the US to support the terrorists to remove the syrian govt…this is what the syrian people dont want
and as he tell us Israels sole concern is the rats may get antitank guns…not that they support Assad.
thanks for the clarification.

Posted by: brian | May 18 2012 14:42 utc | 168

and no, we don’t believe the Us, Qatar and Saudi Arabia are spreading democracy in the Middle East;
and I daresay, if not all, at least most of us believe that criticizing Assad while he is under attack only serves colonialists’ interests; no matter how good or bad Assad is, we think that descent into a failed-state will make people’s lives worse
Posted by: claudio | May 18, 2012 10:35:44 AM | 165
Assad is very good or he’d not have the support of Hugo Chavez…the worse he is the more he has US and saudi support…that the saudis support the SNC/FSA is because they want a sunni salafist rule in syria..and because they just so love democracy! NOT!\

Posted by: brian | May 18 2012 14:46 utc | 169

hamas also says it no longer supports Iran if isreel attacks it…and to paraphrase u HAMAS is not the palestinian people
Nasrallah has a lot of support in the arab street…maybe not in the GCC!

Posted by: brian | May 18 2012 14:48 utc | 170

Flow of weapons
Many officials now consider an expanding military confrontation to be inevitable. ‘Material’ (WEAPONS) are being stockpiled in Damascus, in Idlib near the Turkish border and in Zabadani on the Lebanese border.
Syria’s Muslim Brotherhood also said it has opened its own supply channel to the rebels, using resources from wealthy private individuals and money from Gulf states, including Saudi Arabia and Qatar, said Mulham Al Drobi, a member of the Brotherhood’s executive committee.
The new supplies reversed months of setbacks for the rebels that forced them to withdraw from their stronghold in the Baba Amr neighbourhood of Homs and many other areas in Idlib and elsewhere.
“Large shipments have got through,” another opposition figure said. “Some areas are loaded with weapons.”
http://pennyforyourthoughts2.blogspot.com.au/2012/05/snc-resignation-war-guns-for-terror.html
omen and his ilk are a part of the destabilisation of states like syria…which serves israel especially

Posted by: brian | May 18 2012 14:54 utc | 171

claudio, if you want me to clear up a comment, you need to use time stamps when referring to previous statements. the thread is too long.
and I daresay, if not all, at least most of us believe that criticizing Assad while he is under attack only serves colonialists’ interests; no matter how good or bad Assad is, we think that descent into a failed-state will make people’s lives worse
Posted by: claudio | May 18, 2012 10:35:44 AM | 165

while assad is under attack? have you seen what bashar and the regime have done to homs? what about the syrian people under attack? men women children babies killed by this regime.
it’s not powerful people like bashar who deserve consideration. it’s average people who are suffering the wrath of this regime. you wouldn’t allow americans to be treated like how syrians are being treated. is it easier to go into denial and overlook all the atrocities simply because they’re muslim? i really don’t get it.
where open minds exchange links and opinions to get a better understanding of what goes on
and no, the Us government and the MSM aren’t a reliable source for us;

did you read the marxist link i cited? it clears up this anti imperialist posture the regime gets imbued with.
and no, we don’t believe the Us, Qatar and Saudi Arabia are spreading democracy in the Middle East;
look, if the u.s. is unwilling to arm the opposition, qatar and sa is the only last option. what is an endangered population supposed to do? allow the regime to kill them all? people have a right to defend themselves.
the french aided us in winning our independence. you don’t see us all speaking french, do you?

Posted by: omen | May 18 2012 14:59 utc | 172

NATO-Backed “Syrian National Council” Breaking Apart After 51% of Syrians Brave Death Squad Snipers…
http://tarpley.net/2012/05/17/nato-backed-syrian-national-council-breaking-apart/

Posted by: brian | May 18 2012 15:01 utc | 173

we think that descent into a failed-state will make people’s lives worse
Posted by: claudio | May 18, 2012 10:35:44 AM | 165

it’s assad who is turning the country into a failed state. have you seen homs? the regime is indiscriminately shelling cities. idlib is under seige right this minute. the regime is blocking food and medical aide from getting to the people. bashar is reducing syria into piles of rubble!

Posted by: omen | May 18 2012 15:03 utc | 174

brian, tarpley is a loon.

Posted by: omen | May 18 2012 15:05 utc | 175

Posted by: brian | May 18, 2012 10:54:04 AM | 171
i’ve posted that wapo piece myself. now they’re getting weapons from the gulf states because washington changed its mind only recently. it hasn’t been explained what precepitated the change. before now, obama was pressuring qatar and sa not to arm the rebels.
before the policy shift, fsa rebels were out in the street begging for bullets.

Posted by: omen | May 18 2012 15:09 utc | 176

the lebanese guy dodges the question of saudi and qatar calling for democracy by invoking france and US….when neither is a democracy, where political parties use elections to gain power not to empower the people…

Posted by: brian | May 18 2012 15:11 utc | 177

Omen is the loon…his attack on Tarpley is on the same desperate level as his attack on assad and support for the terrorists
can Iran arm militias in US or France? imagine how these regimes feel about that!

Posted by: brian | May 18 2012 15:13 utc | 178

it’s assad who is turning the country into a failed state. have you seen homs? the regime is indiscriminately shelling cities. idlib is under seige right this minute. the regime is blocking food and medical aide from getting to the people. bashar is reducing syria into piles of rubble!
Posted by: omen | May 18, 2012 11:03:03 AM | 174
lets go again to HOMS and ask the people of HOMS:
http://lizzie-phelan.blogspot.com.au/2012/04/citizens-of-homs-if-army-leaves-homs-we.html
http://lizzie-phelan.blogspot.com.au/2012/04/students-from-homs-thank-syrian.html
strange that they dont agree with the faceless OMEN
Omen keeps lying and notice he can back his lies that Assad is blocking food and medical aid..he thinks his word is good enough!

Posted by: brian | May 18 2012 15:17 utc | 179

‘before the policy shift, fsa rebels were out in the street begging for bullets.
Posted by: omen | May 18, 2012 11:09:50 AM | 176
LOL begging form whom?

Posted by: brian | May 18 2012 15:21 utc | 180

and going back to HOMS
Assad paid it a visit:
https://www.google.com.au/search?hl=en&bav=on.2,or.r_gc.r_pw.r_qf.,cf.osb&biw=948&bih=463&um=1&ie=UTF-8&tbm=isch&source=og&sa=N&tab=wi&ei=Mmm2T4uiFYqjiAe-uOTpCA&q=assad%20visits%20homs&orq=assad+visits++homs
if the syrian govt was attacking HOMS…youd see him being assailed by homs citizens

Posted by: brian | May 18 2012 15:24 utc | 181

assads visit to HOMS march 2012
http://uprootedpalestinians.blogspot.com.au/2012/03/syrian-tv-bashar-al-assad-visited.html

Posted by: brian | May 18 2012 15:28 utc | 182

look, if the u.s. is unwilling to arm the opposition, qatar and sa is the only last option. what is an endangered population supposed to do? allow the regime to kill them all? people have a right to defend themselves.
the french aided us in winning our independence. you don’t see us all speaking french, do you?
Posted by: omen | May 18, 2012 10:59:44 AM | 172
the syrians are endangered by islamic terrorists..why is this so hard for you to understand? Here is assad in HOMS:
https://www.google.com.au/search?hl=en&bav=on.2,or.r_gc.r_pw.r_qf.,cf.osb&biw=948&bih=463&um=1&ie=UTF-8&tbm=isch&source=og&sa=N&tab=wi&ei=Mmm2T4uiFYqjiAe-uOTpCA&q=assad%20visits%20homs&orq=assad+visits++homs
do the people look as if he was the one endangering them?
but then you support the armed insurgency and by extension the US france saudi qatar etc war on syria

Posted by: brian | May 18 2012 15:36 utc | 183

FSA commander Asaad today reported being in Lebanon setting up Syrian insurgency on the Lebanese side of the border.

Posted by: www | May 18 2012 15:40 utc | 184

can Iran arm militias in US or France?
i don’t know about france but american militias are already armed.

Posted by: omen | May 18 2012 15:50 utc | 185

Omen keeps lying and notice he can back his lies that Assad is blocking food and medical aid..he thinks his word is good enough!
Posted by: brian | May 18, 2012 11:17:17 AM | 179

doctors without borders report:

In late March, an MSF team crossed the Turkish border into Syria in an effort to provide medical aid in the Idlib region. The two-person team was composed of a surgeon and an anesthesiologist. To evaluate needs, they also sought to observe the treatment that wounded patients were receiving.
Their first observation was that medical workers were so terrorized that they would offer only first aid in cases of extreme emergency. To treat broken bones, for example, they would simply use makeshift splints. In dealing with hemorrhage, they applied compression bandages even when they had access to technical resources enabling them to provide more appropriate and complete care.
“They told us that the risk was too high,” the MSF surgeon explained. “We were told that, ‘being caught with a patient is worse than being caught with a weapon.’ A Syrian colleague also told me that that meant death both for the patient and for him.”
The team also observed the targeting of hospitals and medical facilities by armed forces. In a small town that the team visited, a health center that served as an improvised hospital had been burned down. There was nowhere else to treat the wounded. Another health center, still in good repair, had only one consulting room.
In another town, the team found an actual, functioning hospital. It had a medical team, supplies and a well-equipped operating room. “We performed as many procedures as we could,” the MSF surgeon said. “Then we had to leave in less than 10 minutes after being warned that the army was coming and launching an attack on the city. Later, we heard that the hospital had been severely damaged and that it has not yet resumed functioning.”

more…
http://www.doctorswithoutborders.org/news/article.cfm?id=6016&cat=voice-from-the-field

Posted by: omen | May 18 2012 15:53 utc | 186

Assad is obviously under attack
Us, France, Qatar, Saudi Arabia, Israel want him gone and sanctions are in place since decades
an enemy of Assad might well think “the hell with their real motivations, what’s important is that they give us weapons”; but it would naive, even from such a point of view, not to consider colonialists’ modus operandi; only would-be plutocrats or warlords can aspire to reap the benefits of foreign intervention
and nobody can believe that among the real motivations of western and GCC support of the rebels is a concern with human rights (see Palestine)
and it would be foolish for anyone outside Syria to engage in the game of stoning the western-declared tyrant-of-the-day, at least not before having given a good, hard look at who his opposers are and what they propose for the Syrian people besides getting rid of Assad
@omen – “the french aided us in winning our independence. you don’t see us all speaking french, do you?” the French, among others, destroyed the Ottoman empire and gained “areas of influence” in the Middle East, they didn’t give a damn about anybody’s independence; relative independence and a movement for decolonization was possible at the time because the Ussr existed as an alternative; independence today regards only internal “governance”, that is, cleaning up the mess after looting resources and implementing neoliberal policies

Posted by: claudio | May 18 2012 16:19 utc | 187

I’m calling this one for Penny, www, and brian.
Or to rephrase that: omen’s the Loser!

Posted by: china_hand2 | May 18 2012 16:20 utc | 188

ops … my post #112: Ban Ki-moon, not Kofi Annan

Posted by: claudio | May 18 2012 16:29 utc | 189

‘The Salafi ideology just hasn’t been as important in Syria.
syria, in terms of the populace, is a moderate country. they’re suspicious of extremists like salafists’
omens first honest statement…thats why the syrian people support their govt and not the salafists and muslim brotherhood….
Posted by: brian | May 18, 2012 10:29:38 AM | 163
the syrians are endangered by islamic terrorists..why is this so hard for you to understand? Here is assad in HOMS:
Posted by: brian | May 18, 2012 11:36:00 AM | 183

what islamic terrorists? you just agreed that syrians aren’t extremists. you mean foreign militants? reporters who have interviewed the fsa keep saying they havent seen foreign fighters with them. you read the doctors without borders report. are doctors islamic terrorists?

Posted by: omen | May 18 2012 16:31 utc | 190

@omen #186 – in March, the Iblid region was a war zone; MSF’s team appears to have been embedded with those rebels that attacked from safe havens in Turkish territory; no wonder they had a hard time; that doesn’t translate to “the Syrian government is blocking food and medical aid”

Posted by: claudio | May 18 2012 16:39 utc | 191

In the UN headquarter in New York today, Ban-Ki Moon said he believe that Al-Quaida was responsible for the terror-attack in Damascus last week, the one with 55 dead.

Posted by: Alexander | May 18 2012 17:17 utc | 192

Posted by: claudio | May 18, 2012 12:19:10 PM | 187
great, you just signed off on genocide.
nobody has clean hands. if that purist standard was required for everything – nobody would be allowed to do anything, anywhere, anytime.
it doesn’t even matter to you that it’s the syrian people themselves who are calling for help.
20 years from now when syrians ask you “where was the world when we were being slaughtered? why didn’t the international community come to help?” – you wont be able to say you didn’t know. you’ll have to answer “we thought it better to ignore the atrocities being committed against you!”

Posted by: omen | May 18 2012 17:18 utc | 193

Robert Mood stressed that “No volume of UN observers can stop the violence in Syria”, indicating that he might really would like to see the terrorists be crushed thoroughly. Guess I would be pretty provoked and upset too if my colleagues were being targeted repeatedly by rebels.

Posted by: Alexander | May 18 2012 17:22 utc | 194

I’ll close this threat now.

Posted by: b | May 18 2012 17:24 utc | 195