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May 15, 2012
A Tragic Attack On UN Observers In Syria

The video below the fold shows an attack on a car of UN observers in Syria which is seemingly wounding or killing some civilians standing in front of the car. When the observers speed away to save themselves they seem to drive over some of those wounded or dead. The incident is said to have happened in Khan Sheikhun, a town in Idlib province said to be under opposition control.

The scenes of this low quality video will be controversial. One side will claim that it shows that some seemingly anti-Syrian government forces are trying to sabotage the UN mission by attacking the observers. The other will claim that some government agent did this. But the worst issue is that it will enrage both sides against the observers for panicking and driving over the wounded.

There are four UN marked white cars in a city street with a dozen people around mostly in front of the first car holding it up. The observers are within the cars and ready to drive away. There are a lot of shoes lying in the street probably from an earlier demonstration against these observers.

Suddenly a bang and smoke is coming from the front of the first car. As the smoke retreats on can see that the cars hood is partially blown up and that some people are now lying in front of the car likely wounded or dead.

The first car tries to back up twice to turn but can not move much as the second car is immediately behind it. It then speeds forward and over the people lying on the ground. The second car follows.

The third car which was standing a few yards behind follows too but manages to drive around the corpses. The fourth car which was standing immediately behind the third is speeding to overtake the third car and, probably not seeing them, also overruns the bodies.

Reuters reports an incident in Khan Sheikhoun but it does not immediately fit with what the video shows:

Beirut – A car belonging to U.N. monitors was damaged by an explosion while they toured the central Syrian town of Khan Sheikhoun on Tuesday but none of the monitors was hurt, a member of the observer team said.

“We went to observe and after a while shooting occurred,” he told Reuters by telephone, adding that the shooting was followed by the blast which damaged the car.

The seven-strong team had lost their vehicles and were trying to organise a safe return to their base, he said without giving details. Another monitor and a member of the Free Syrian Army (FSA) said they were with FSA rebels.

“We are safe with the Free Army and we are waiting for a (U.N.) group to pick us up,” the second monitor said.

How come the cars were good enough to drive away from the incident but are now all lost? There is also no shooting in the video. This then may be a different (coordinated?) attack or just the usual confusion following such events.

The video:

Another graphic video shows three wounded men in Khan Sheikhun probably related to the incident.

Comments

The Syria debacle is getting truly tiresome now (yawn).
The UN charter expressly forbids UN involvement is internal conflicts. By my interpretation, UN “observers” hanging out with anti-govt forces during a ‘civil war’ is a breach of a large number of UN protocols.
Imo, entities pulling the UN’s strings have arranged this little pantomime to help gullible consumers of MSM ‘news’ to forget that there are far more trustworthy observers (AU? or is it AL?) in Syria than those sent by the disgracefully corrupt joke known as the UN.

Posted by: Hoarsewhisperer | May 15 2012 17:14 utc | 1

This is a weird report from Avaaz (U.S. funded partisan pro-opposition media manipulators) as it does not fit at all with the video:

Fadi Yassine, who witnessed the attack, told Avaaz via Skype: “A funeral for Ahmad Fatrawi, originally from Khan Sheikhoun – who was killed in the clashes in Tamanna town in Hama two days ago – went out in Khan Sheikhoun today. When the funeral reached the city centre where a huge checkpoint is located [called Mantaka checkpoint], it turned into an anti-regime demonstration. The observers happened to be there touring the area in their official white vehicles. The regime forces opened fire on the demonstrators. I saw a shell fired at the crowd. People started screaming and scattering in all directions, we could not even pick up the injured. The front of one UN car was damaged. The observers were still inside the cars when the FSA tried to take them out of the area to a safer place. The observers refused in the beginning, but they eventually left the town centre under the protection of the FSA.” The monitors are still with the FSA inside Khan Sheikhoun.

No shoots are fired in the video, no Syrian army force is visible, the attack on the car is a grenade thrown under the car front not a shell as the form of the damaged hood shows.

Posted by: b | May 15 2012 17:43 utc | 2

AP appears to repeat the Avaaz report which does not fit the video

BEIRUT (AP) — A roadside bomb struck cars belonging to the U.N. observer mission in Syria on Tuesday, just minutes after regime forces opened fired on a funeral procession nearby and caused multiple casualties, witnesses said.
The mission confirmed its vehicles were hit by a bomb and said there were no injuries. The attack was captured on video and posted online.
This at least the second time that U.N. observers have been caught up in the violence engulfing Syria. Last week, a roadside bomb struck a Syrian military truck in southern Syria just seconds after the head of the U.N. observers team drove by in a convoy.
If confirmed, a regime attack on a civilians directly in front of the observer mission could put pressure on them to describe publicly what they are seeing in Syria. They report back to the U.N. but have not publicized their findings.
“The front of a U.N. car took a direct hit,” activist Fadi al-Yassin, who witnessed the incident in the northern town of Khan Sheikhoun, told The Associated Press. “Everyone ran in panic but the observers stayed in the car. People tried to talk to them but they wouldn’t even open their windows.”
Just minutes earlier, Syrian forces fired on a funeral procession, activists said. Al-Yassin and the Britain-based Syrian Observatory for Human Rights estimated the death toll could be as high as 20 people and said many others were wounded, some of them in serious condition. It was impossible to independently confirm the toll.
“This is a real massacre and it took place in the presence of U.N. observers,” Rami Abdul-Rahman, head of the Observatory, said of the attack on the funeral. He called for an international investigation and for the monitors to state publicly what they saw.
A video posted by activists online appeared to show the exact moment the U.N. vehicle was struck. The video shows two white vehicles clearly marked “U.N” with people milling around it, and two others parked a few meters behind. Slippers apparently left behind by the mourners running away from the shooting earlier are seen strewn about on the ground.
The blast blew off the front of the first vehicle and sent up a plume of smoke as people screamed and frantically ran for cover. The four cars are then seen slowly driving away.
Ahmad Fawzi, a spokesman for Syria’s special envoy Kofi Annan, confirmed the observers were caught up in the country’s violence as they met with the rebel Free Syrian Army.
“The U.N. Mission in Syria reports that shortly after 2 p.m. local time today, a (U.N.) convoy of four vehicles was struck by an explosion from an improvised explosive device,” Fawzi said in a statement. “Three U.N. vehicles were damaged. No U.N. personnel were injured.”

Notice that AP, from Beirut, uses the same “witness”, Fadi Yassine, that Avaaz uses.
That “witness report” makes it sound as if the Syrian Army hit the UN car. But the UN says it was an IED.
The shoes laying around which the AP describes as “apparently left behind by the mourners running away” do not look to me like they were just left by running people. The people in the video first appear rather calm and there is no sign that there was shooting or a panic.
There is some serious lying going on with this story.

Posted by: b | May 15 2012 17:54 utc | 3

Sorry for posting so many comments but the situation evolves and want to keep note.
The UN itself reports the IED but has nothing, zero, nada, of any funeral or shooting involved with it.

Posted by: b | May 15 2012 17:59 utc | 4

In reply to Hoarsewhisper:
(1) The UN observers are there with the consent of the Syrian goverment and without the objection of the rebels.
(2) In order for the UN observers to do their job well, they have to hang out with the rebels (as well as with the goverment’s side).
(3) The primary mission of the UN observers is to observe, and especially to observe violence, and this is to be desired because of the failure of the foreign news media to observe objectively, and it is the main reason why the Syrian government wanted the UN observers to come to their country. Today 15 May 2012 the head of the UN observers Robert Mood reiterated that the observers are tracking, documenting, and authenticating all violations of the (would-be) cease-fire. Mood said the observers are specifically dealing with the issue of violence and the way it’s done on ground. The UN’s military observers have been deployed in almost all hotspots across the country. http://news.xinhuanet.com/english/world/2012-05/15/c_131589973.htm . There are a lot of reports in the foreign media that that the government’s security forces have exercised disproportionate use of force or have been otherwise needlessly brutal in maintaining law and order. The government denies the reports. It is hoped and expected that the UN observers will be observing objectively what the truth about this is. I say the government is honest and virtuous, but millions of people think they have reason to disagree with me. The UN observers can help get the truth, which helps everybody. The main rap against the Syrian government in the foreign news media is evil violence by the security forces. The UN observers are going to help us find out the extent to which this rap is a false rap.

Posted by: Parviziyi | May 15 2012 18:02 utc | 5

Very strange tale. It does seem the UN observers are professional in reporting the truth, and know the difference between a shell and a IED, so it looks like they are doing a good job. And by the way, good job keeping us posted b.

Posted by: Alexander | May 15 2012 18:05 utc | 6

b, the video is by rebels posted by SYR4ALL that has posted thousands of such rebel videos. The voice you hear in the video has a non-Syrian accent and is providing a play-by-play description of what is happening in the way he wants you to perceive it with all the smoke and chaos. He refers to the UN team as the “collaborators” speeding away while 3 martyrs are down.
Sure doesn’t look like the UN group was among friends as the Reuters article said. You don’t actually see the UN driving over the bodies.
The other video you mentioned is about victims of government shelling, according to the description.
THe video has all the signs of being bogus.

Posted by: www | May 15 2012 18:10 utc | 7

Video of the damaged UN vehicle seemingly left behind.

Posted by: b | May 15 2012 18:23 utc | 8

b, you post videos by the rebels and articles by the US government mouthpiece, Avaaz, and you are arguing that there is something fishy about the whole thing!
For bit of perspective, the founders/principals of Avaaz and its sister organization Move-On that together have about a million adherents reading their bulletins are also founding members of J Street.

Posted by: www | May 15 2012 18:28 utc | 9

no major news coverage yet… probably they’re manufacturing their coverage in a way that is suited to blame the government. Good work.

Posted by: peter radiator | May 15 2012 18:28 utc | 10

Gentlemen. I understood what this man was sying in the clip as I am a Syrian myself from Damascus but I live in Spain. I am fighting to bring out the truth to the world about what is really happening in Syria right now. There is a media war against my country. over 100 media broadcasters are in a conspiracy against Syria fabricating news about Syria and trying to monsterize the reputation of our Syrian army. I have many solid proof evidence and video clips to show you EXACTLY how these Terrorist armed groups in Syria referred to as ” Free Syrian army” and “Opposition.” I can post them to you and the clips are made by special Syrian electronic army investigating these clips and will show exactly how the media such as ” Aljazeera” “CNN” “BBC” are fabricating news!
By the way in this clip the guy shouted at the end that ” Allah Akbar the Syrian Army is firing at the UN cars! ” I mean I didn´t hear any gun fire?! I didnt see that guy who was shouting running for his life ? I didnt see no army on the clip ? Of course because its a LIE! The Syrian Army has retreated because of Kofi Annan´s 6 point plan !

Posted by: Fightfortruth! | May 15 2012 19:13 utc | 11

Gentlemen. I also have a really good page on Facebook for you guys to follow. The clips and the evidences that I told you guys about are found there and much much more. It is called ” The Truth about Syria” Please join and see the truth !

Posted by: Fightfortruth! | May 15 2012 19:18 utc | 12

Yes yes, we know..

Posted by: Alexander | May 15 2012 19:59 utc | 13

No doubt about the never-ending fabrications by the FSA, its friends and the broadcasters, but this doesn’t make the government forces necessarily lily-white. The truth is being given a beating by both sides but the FSA is simply doing much more of it.

Posted by: www | May 15 2012 20:22 utc | 14

on the bbc home page:
Syrian troops ‘fire on funeral’

At least 20 people are killed by Syrian security forces in the north-west town of Khan Sheikhoun during a visit by UN observers, activists say.
who needs UN observers when you already have activists telling you what’s going on?

Posted by: claudio | May 15 2012 22:36 utc | 15

UPI Arabic reported a very different story of some UN observers diverted by armed men to attend funerals in Khan Shaykhoun that turned out bloody after the Syrian army intervene to rescue the UN observers.
http://arabic.upi.com/News/2012/05/15/UPI-11011337095619/

Posted by: zoo | May 16 2012 0:47 utc | 16

Parviziyi | May 15, 2012 2:02:58 PM @ 5.
I accept that your explanation is more comprehensive (and sober) than mine @ 1.
However, I have no faith in the trustworthiness of the UN.
Since the UN appears to have expanded its charter to allow it to take an active interest in internal conflicts, it will have to take a similarly close interest in Israel/Palestine before I’ll regard it as anything other than a partisan tool of vested, Western, interests aligned with the USA.
I’m not holding my breath.

Posted by: Hoarsewhisperer | May 16 2012 3:20 utc | 17

… aligned with the USA & Israel.

Posted by: Hoarsewhisperer | May 16 2012 3:45 utc | 18

Both sides are fudging the news. The rebels woud have you believe the government forces are massacring civilians, which isn’t all true, while the regime would have you believe that there’s nothing serious happening in Syria and everybody there with exception to a few dissidents is happy, which of course isn’t true either. With all its shortcomings, the UN is still a good thing.

Posted by: www | May 16 2012 4:37 utc | 19

www 49
No WWWW the govt forces are NOT massacring civilians…whats your source for that claim>?
and where is the syrian govt (nOT regime) saying all is well?
your use of the word ‘regime’ tells me your a troll. The mass of syrian people dont see their govt as a ‘regime’…let alone one to be overthrown by US/saudi backed jihadis

Posted by: brian | May 16 2012 6:55 utc | 20

A better take on the roadside bombing: no mention of a funeral tho!
UN convoy struck by roadside bomb in NW Syria
Vehicles of a convoy of United Nations monitors observing the ceasefire in Syria were damaged by a roadside bomb in the province of Idlib in the northwest of the country but no UN personnel were injured.
“The UN Mission in Syria reports that shortly after 2 p.m. local time (1100 GMT) today, a UN convoy of four vehicles was struck by an explosion from an improvised explosive device… Three UN vehicles were damaged. No UN personnel were injured,” the Associated Press quoted Ahmad Fawzi, a spokesman for the UN-Arab League special envoy for Syria, Kofi Annan, as saying in a statement issued on Tuesday.
Syria has been experiencing unrest since mid-March 2011. While the West and the Syrian opposition say the government is responsible for the killings, Damascus blames “outlaws, saboteurs and armed terrorist groups” for the unrest, insisting that it is being orchestrated from abroad.
Meanwhile, UN observers continue to monitor a ceasefire, which has officially been in effect for more than three weeks.
The ceasefire is part of a six-point peace plan presented by UN-Arab League envoy Kofi Annan in March.
The first group of UN observers arrived in Damascus on April 15 in line with UN Security Council Resolution 2042, which had been approved on the previous day.
On April 21, the Security Council met and unanimously approved Resolution 2043, which ratified a proposal to send a mission of 300 observers to Syria
http://www.presstv.ir/detail/2012/05/15/241414/un-convoy-roadside-bomb-syria/

Posted by: brian | May 16 2012 7:05 utc | 21

Brian, re-read what I wrote. The discussion here is not about the roadside bomb that happened May 9th in which 6 Syrian soldiers were seriously injured. Press-TV is a good source in general, but it shouldn’t be your only one as it’s also biased. The government for the first 12 of the last 16 months of the revolt had been insisting that there was nothing seriously wrong in the country. If you have been following events there for only a few weeks, you wouldn’t have been aware of this.

Posted by: www | May 16 2012 8:12 utc | 22

After reviewing the various video channels of the Syrian opposition I find no evidence that there was the alleged funeral in Khan Sheikhoun or any shooting by government forces there.
Usually there are several such videos for such events and here there is none.

Posted by: b | May 16 2012 10:02 utc | 23

Syrian rebels get influx of arms with gulf neighbors’ money, U.S. coordination

Syrian rebels battling the regime of President Bashar al-Assad have begun receiving significantly more and better weapons in recent weeks, an effort paid for by Persian Gulf nations and coordinated in part by the United States, according to opposition activists and U.S. and foreign officials.

Material is being stockpiled in Damascus, in Idlib near the Turkish border and in Zabadani on the Lebanese border. Opposition activists who two months ago said the rebels were running out of ammunition said this week that the flow of weapons — most still bought on the black market in neighboring countries or from elements of the Syrian military — has significantly increased after a decision by Saudi Arabia, Qatar and other gulf states to provide millions of dollars in funding each month.
Syria’s Muslim Brotherhood also said it has opened its own supply channel to the rebels, using resources from wealthy private individuals and money from gulf states, including Saudi Arabia and Qatar, said Mulham al-Drobi, a member of the Brotherhood’s executive committee.
The new supplies reversed months of setbacks for the rebels that forced them to withdraw from their stronghold in the Baba Amr neighborhood of Homs and many other areas in Idlib and elsewhere.
“Large shipments have got through,” another opposition figure said. “Some areas are loaded with weapons.”

That is consistent with recent rebel videos. Where there was only one RPG with each group there are now several. Also lots of modern guns with new shiny optics.
The Syrian government still has the heavier weapons and will need to use them now.

Posted by: b | May 16 2012 10:05 utc | 24

sure, the u.s. once supported mek. conversely, that doesn’t mean syria regime are pure as the driven snow. syria is the biggest state sponsor of terrorism in the arab world. assad regime was responsible for prolonging the civil war in lebanon. syria sent militants into iraq to kill americans using (gasp) IEDs. syria was responsible for bombing the marine base in beirut. etc.
i like how you keep ignoring the number of civilians assad regime has slaughtered. how do you keep blinders on like that? quite a feat.

Posted by: omen | May 16 2012 11:14 utc | 25

off topic but still relevant:
Afghanistan will start pumping oil within months, an official said Wednesday, as part of the troubled nation’s efforts to tap its underground treasures estimated at billions.
China’s National Petroleum Corporation (CNPC) and its Afghan partner the Watan Group will start extracting oil in five months, initially producing 5,000 barrels a day, mining ministry spokesman Jawad Omar told AFP.

http://my.news.yahoo.com/afghanistan-pump-oil-within-months-095219572.html

Posted by: omen | May 16 2012 11:17 utc | 26

Some the confiscated arms destined for the rebels are not available on the black market and are available only via purchases by governments from other governments.
The Syrian government cannot use its heavier weapons because this is the signal NATO is waiting for and trying to provoke to enter the game; unless Bernard-Henri Lévy comes into this to pull off another bogus “civilians are being strafed” stunt as he did in Benghazi that started the NATO humanitarian bombing of civilians.

Posted by: www | May 16 2012 11:24 utc | 27

The UN itself reports the IED but has nothing, zero, nada, of any funeral or shooting involved with it.
Posted by: b | May 15, 2012 1:59:01 PM | 4
i’m not surprised. general mood has consistently underplayed reporting of violence. there was another incident where un monitors denied they were shot at by the regime when a crowd of demonstrators had surrounded them. un monitors denied reality even though the incident was caught on tape for all to see.
this is going on right under the general’s nose. he couldn’t give a shit:
Largely Unseen, Syria Carries Out Arrest Campaign
President Bashar Assad’s regime has launched a new and sweeping arrest campaign of opposition activists and intellectuals in the past few weeks, according to Western analysts and diplomats.
The growing tally of arrests has gone largely unnoticed, overshadowed by the daily violence that threatens to jeopardize the U.N. peace plan. But in combination, both are undermining the already faint hopes of peace.
“It’s a political decapitation,” says Chris Doyle, director of the London-based Council for Arab-British Understanding. Doyle is monitoring the arrests and believes the regime aims to eliminate negotiating partners from what he calls “the rational opposition.”

Posted by: omen | May 16 2012 11:34 utc | 28

Both sides are fudging the news. The rebels woud have you believe the government forces are massacring civilians, which isn’t all true,
which isn’t all true? but some true? which part is true?
With all its shortcomings, the UN is still a good thing.
Posted by: www | May 16, 2012 12:37:40 AM | 19
if the UN was worth a damn, the congo wouldn’t have been allowed to fester for multiple decades. whose interests were served by ignoring the congo? the UN does the bidding of corporate interests.

Posted by: omen | May 16 2012 11:44 utc | 29

The Syrian government has no incentive to kill civilians, initially in the conflict there was reports of the government killing innocent civilian demonstrators, but those reports were never confirmed – and likely they were false flag ops by the rebels blaming the government, to get the international community to intervene.

Posted by: Alexander | May 16 2012 11:52 utc | 30

>>> assad regime was responsible for prolonging the civil war in lebanon. syria sent militants into iraq to kill americans using (gasp) IEDs. syria was responsible for bombing the marine base in beirut. etc.>>>
Wrong on all 3, omen; Syria had nothing to do with prolonging the civil war in Lebanon, the Lebanese did that all by themselves without any help, Syria did not send any killers into Iraq and nobody, other than you, has ever accused the Syrians of bombing the marine barracks. You’ve also got the UN mission all wrong; it’s not there to help Syria cover up anything but to buy time help NATO get ready.

Posted by: www | May 16 2012 11:53 utc | 31

Some the confiscated arms destined for the rebels are not available on the black market and are available only via purchases by governments from other governments.
The Syrian government cannot use its heavier weapons because this is the signal NATO is waiting for and trying to provoke to enter the game;

Posted by: www | May 16, 2012 7:24:07 AM | 27
on one hand, you deny the regime is killing civilians. on the other hand, you express sympathy that syria is tactically thwarted from using heavier weapons to suppress the population.
jesus h christ.

Posted by: omen | May 16 2012 11:53 utc | 32

do some googling, www.

Posted by: omen | May 16 2012 11:54 utc | 33

Sympathy has nothing to do with this, omen. Can you show me where I denied civilians are getting killed? When I mentioned that Syria was holding back using its heavy weapons, I meant on the rebels and the terrorists, not on ordinary civilians. We’re talking about Syria here, not Israel.

Posted by: www | May 16 2012 12:00 utc | 34

Omen, really, the Syrian government has a ligitimate right – even a duty – to go after the rebels and terrorists. If insurgent were blowing off bombs in my country I would demand of my government to go after them. Without mercy. And in the case of Syria, about 1/4 of the dead are soldiers, 1/4 are rebels/terrorists, and maybe perhaps as much as 1/2 are civilians, and most of their blood are on the rebels hands.

Posted by: Alexander | May 16 2012 12:08 utc | 35

Most importantly, the vast majority of the Syrians are with the government on this, they don’t want their country to be taken over by foreign sponsored terrorists and rebels, they want their government to fight off the insurgency.
By the way, just now, the news of the IED on the 4 UN vehicles got on the BBC news.

Posted by: Alexander | May 16 2012 12:14 utc | 36

the vast majority of the Syrians are with the government on this
source please.

Posted by: omen | May 16 2012 12:35 utc | 37

omen 32
yes the syrian govt(NOT regime) is not killing civilians but saving them FROM the killers
so:
http://lizzie-phelan.blogspot.com.au/2012/04/citizens-of-homs-if-army-leaves-homs-we.html
and
http://lizzie-phelan.blogspot.com.au/2012/04/students-from-homs-thank-syrian.html
you dont see the syrian people thanking the FSA terrorists for their IED bombings do you?
Its big lies like yours, OMen that tell the rest of us who to support

Posted by: brian | May 16 2012 12:38 utc | 38

Well, the turnout in the new constitution vote is indicational of who support the state, and there about 2/3 showed up. That sure beats most election turnout in the EU or US.

Posted by: Alexander | May 16 2012 12:41 utc | 39

omen 28:
‘President Bashar Assad’s regime has launched a new and sweeping arrest campaign of opposition activists and intellectuals in the past few weeks, according to Western analysts and diplomats.’
NPR..isnt that state media?
its the western analysyts and diplomates seeking to oust the syrian govt and replace it with a pliable puppet..
the idea that they want peace when they are backing the jihadis is a big lie that woulds please Goebbels

Posted by: brian | May 16 2012 12:41 utc | 40

lets see who the western analysts and diplomats support:
The sign, which was raised in protest in Damascus, translates to: “We do not want Alawaites, we do not want Ba’th Party. Syria is an Islamic country”
The opposition is clearly encouraging sectarianism and division among the Syrian people, by threatening other minorities which have been living peacefully in Syria for hundreds of years.
Yet, we will make sure that their evil plans do not succeed, Syria will always stay a secular country
http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m3eoy7qgak1rrjpzjo1_1280.jpg
http://truthbehindsyria.tumblr.com/page/2

Posted by: brian | May 16 2012 12:43 utc | 41

FYI OMEN:
In statements to SANA, several relatives of martyrs denounced the terrorist crimes which claim the lives of innocents and destabilize Syria, stressing that terrorism is targeting Syria because it stood up to the conspiracies against the Arab nation.
They said that terrorists don’t belong to any religion nor to humanity, affirming that their crimes will not undermine the determination of the Syrian people.
They also called upon those who support the terrorists to refrain from doing so, in addition to inviting Syrians to maintain constant vigilance and remain united to foil the conspiracies of terrorists.
http://truthbehindsyria.tumblr.com/post/22966801150/popular-masses-escort-martyrs-of-damascus-twin-blasts

Posted by: brian | May 16 2012 12:45 utc | 42

FYI OMEN:
Rafiq Latf exposes the media lies against syria
‘Danny’ interviewed by CNN says normally the stuff we see gets deleted….the stuff that shows hes a fraud
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-fc8zAnzv0A

Posted by: brian | May 16 2012 12:45 utc | 43

alexander, the regime goons leave graffiti all over the place that warn “assad or the country burns.” you expect a regime that tries to extort loyalty by threatening death to run fair and free elections?
that isn’t a source, that’s unfounded speculation.
next you’ll try to suggest assad is a reformer.

Posted by: omen | May 16 2012 12:50 utc | 44

www
ive been following syrian events for some months
OMEN:
lets see some other analysts opinions the MSM ignore:
‘Webster Tarpley (Author, Historian, Journalist): “There are death squads, there are terrorist commandos that had been brought in by the world’s specialists in death squads and terrorists commandos, that is the CIA and NATO intelligence. Think of what you know about Argentina, think of what you know about Central America. Death squads, right… this is what’s actually happening, and when you get these accounts right from Al Jazeera or any number of other authorities about children being killed or how many people got killed? Ask yourself: who’s doing the killing? And it turned out in a very large numbers of these cases, it’s these snipers.”
Webster Tarpley: “There’s no mass killing of civilians by the army.”
Webster Tarpley: It’s blind terrorism, random killing, a kind of uncontrollable massacre of people, and let me just be specific about what I mean by this: If you read these crazy Western media, they will tell you that Homs is the great center of this rebellion here, the civil war in Syria.. Well, when we got here, with the delegation I was with, we went right to Homs, within 24 hours of the coming we went to Homs, and not only did we go to Homs, we went to Zahra, we went to the neighborhood that supposedly thee center of all agitation, and when you get there what you see is first of all empty streets and then eventually we saw 500 people in a public square and they were agitating somehow, they were having a demonstration of some kind, we were a little bit frightened because we thought these were the people armed and .. so we get down on to the street, we leave our bus, and go on to the street, and here are these people, the number one issue for them it’s not what you think, it’s ‘Mazoot’, they’re concerned about fuel oil, and they’re concerned about the fact that it’s getting cold and the winter is here and they need to heat their homes, and there’s not enough fuel oil and they have criticisms of the governor of the province whom we also met, who seems like a good guy to me, but they say that he doesn’t do enough to get the ‘Mazoot’, now, as soon as you are talking about ‘Mazoot’, there are two things: one is there’s already economic sanctions by NATO, there’s economic warfare that influences the availability..
Economic sanctions forced upon Syria by NATO and The Arab League has devastated the population. Yet most Syrians continue to have faith in their leader.”
etc
http://democratic-syria.blogspot.com.au/2012/02/short-video-clip-documents-nato-media.html

Posted by: brian | May 16 2012 12:52 utc | 45

some googles for OMEN
http://democratic-syria.blogspot.com.au/2012/02/dictator-who-has-advisers.html
The lies of the Syrian Muslim Brotherhood: They have found a solution to the Syrian crisis
The leader of the Syrian Muslim Brotherhood, Gardens the Piece (or Riyad Ash-Shaqfah in Arabic), has stated that his organization found a solution to the Syrian crisis. He said in an interview with Saudi newspaper, Ukaz, that “there is no solution to the Syrian crisis except through arms”. This is while the organization claimed for months that its slogan is “peaceful, peaceful”. The lies of the Muslim Brotherhood all over the Arab world, from Tunisia to Syria, are being exposed on daily basis.
Posted by As’ad AbuKhalil
http://angryarab.blogspot.com.au/2012/05/lies-of-syrian-muslim-brotherhood-they.html
Syrian christians expelled from Hama http://www.news.va/en/news/asiasyria-christians-expelled-from-hama
http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-503543_162-57372175-503543/syrias-christians-stand-by-assad/
US behind the terrorist as revealed in 2007 by Seymour Hersh:
‘A 2007 New Yorker article written by renowned journalist Seymour Hersh revealed a plan under the Bush Administration to organize, arm, train, and deploy a regional army of Sunni terrorists, many with ties directly to Al Qaeda, in a bid to destabilize and overthrow both Syria and Iran. The plan consisted of US and Israeli backing, covertly funneled through Saudi proxies to conceal Washington and Tel Aviv’s role, in building the Sunni extremist front.
http://www.prisonplanet.com/sunni-extremists-ravaging-syria-created-by-us-in-2007.html
food for thought OMEN

Posted by: brian | May 16 2012 13:00 utc | 46

its the western analysyts and diplomates seeking to oust the syrian govt and replace it with a pliable puppet..
the idea that they want peace when they are backing the jihadis is a big lie that woulds please Goebbels

Posted by: brian | May 16, 2012 8:41:34 AM | 40
my dear, assad IS the west’s pliable puppet. that’s why he’s free to commit genocide. you don’t see us doing anything to stop it, do you? obama even went around the gulf pressuring neighboring countries not to arm the rebels.
Assad’s relationship to Israeli and US imperialism

Hafez Al-Assad first, and later his son and current ruler Bashar, regularly entered into alliances with the Western imperialists. They have played an openly counter-revolutionary role in repressing mass uprisings in Lebanon in league with regional imperialist powers, were open partners with George Bush Sr.’s invasion of Iraq in 1991 and have played a collaborative role in the so-called “War on Terror”. Far from the image that some on the left attribute to Assad as an anti-imperialist, he has been a regional partner with imperialism and has played a destructive role in relation to mass left-wing movements in the region, most notably in Lebanon.
During the Lebanese civil war, from 1975-1990, the Syrian regime and its proxies engaged in a direct offensive to repress the revolutionary left-wing movements, particularly represented by the left-wing Palestinian groups and the Lebanese Communist Party. Assad supported the right-wing Maronite regime and the far-right paramilitary squads that were used to drown the movement in blood.
From the standpoint of the Syrian regime, the mass left-wing movements in a neighbouring country represented a threat that could spread to Syria. Assad also wanted to establish and consolidate his influence in Lebanon. The Syrian military and Syrian-backed local groups directly intervened in the civil war. They also actively encouraged sectarian differences, much as Assad has done at home in Syria. During the mid-to-late 1970s, they were able to repress the Lebanese Communist Party and the Palestinian revolutionary groups. After succeeding in destroying left-wing groups in Lebanon, they turned to destroying the Syrian left groups, including the Communist Labour Party and the Syrian Communist Party.
Throughout the civil war in Lebanon, both Syria and Israel established significant control over the country. Though both Syria and Israel had tense and at times conflicting interests, they united to share power in Lebanon and to drown the revolutionary movements in blood.
This willingness to come into partnership with imperialism was also demonstrated when Hafez Al-Assad made an alliance with George Bush Senior during the invasion of Iraq in 1991 following Saddam’s entry into Kuwait. Syrian troops supported the US-led invasion of Iraq during the Gulf War. The Syrian military forces did not enter into active conflict, instead giving logistical support and providing reserve troops for the invading forces. Over 100,000 Iraqi troops were killed in this imperialist war.
Since the “War on Terror” began in 2001, the Syrian regime has presented itself as a regional ally of the United States. The United States and Canadian governments began to target and observe certain terrorist groups. These efforts included the wider targeting and oppression of people from the Middle East. The Assad regime, with its experience repressing the Muslim Brotherhood in Syria, was seen as a useful ally in these efforts.

Posted by: omen | May 16 2012 13:02 utc | 47

http://willyloman.wordpress.com/2012/05/15/wag-the-dog-syria/
News About Syria – English
52 minutes ago
#Syria #RealSyria – The National Unity alliance, supporting President Bashar al-Assad, has won by a large margin, while the Coalition for Peaceful Change Forces, which has brought together the factions of the so-called loyal opposition, has lost. It is only the Coalition leader, Kadri Jamal that heads the Popular Front for Change and Liberation, who has made it to Parliament.
TASS, IF
Assad is popular…if he were killing syrians he would not be

Posted by: brian | May 16 2012 13:03 utc | 48

Webster Tarpley – is a lyndon larouche devotee and global warming denialist. you are not similarly out of touch with reality, are you brian?

Posted by: omen | May 16 2012 13:07 utc | 49

OMEN:
‘assad regime was responsible for prolonging the civil war in lebanon. syria sent militants into iraq to kill americans using (gasp) IEDs. syria was responsible for bombing the marine base in beirut. etc.’
what are americans soldiers doing in iraq and lebanon?

Posted by: brian | May 16 2012 13:10 utc | 50

omen 47:
‘my dear, assad IS the west’s pliable puppet. that’s why he’s free to commit genocide. you don’t see us doing anything to stop it, do you? obama even went around the gulf pressuring neighboring countries not to arm the rebels.
funny puppet…the US has long tried to remove him.,Your marxist source is meaningless….the deranged left has been supporting Great Satan in its war on Libya and Syria.
And as for ‘genocide’ … ive heard your neighbors charge you with theft and breaking and entering.
US/saudi/israel are arming and aiding the rebels…no matter what you say.

Posted by: brian | May 16 2012 13:21 utc | 51

Omen 49
youd not be and deranged lefty would you?….Tarpley has been to syria…you have not.His word is worth for more than a shadowy nameless internet troll whos not left his computer den.

Posted by: brian | May 16 2012 13:23 utc | 52

that isn’t a source, that’s unfounded speculation.
next you’ll try to suggest assad is a reformer.
Posted by: omen | May 16, 2012 8:50:30 AM | 44
Unfounded speculation by the master : omen….Yes president is a reformer… you will be telling me Obama is a lover of peace, and the insurgents car bombing syria are peaceful protestors

Posted by: brian | May 16 2012 13:26 utc | 53

Brian, omen is not wrong about Syria’s long standing cosy relationship with the US. It ended in 2005 and was on/off again a few times since then but now definitely off.

Posted by: www | May 16 2012 13:30 utc | 54

bombing for allah?
A video from a shadowy Islamist group, al-Nusra, says it carried out two bomb attacks in the Syrian capital Damascus on Thursday.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-18046333
News About Syria – English shared a link via Syria 24 English.
3 hours ago
#Syria – Here’s footage of the suicide bomber in #Aleppo.
The solider speaks to the UN observers in English explaining to them what happened.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X2_qayPTyz8&feature=youtu.be

Posted by: brian | May 16 2012 13:30 utc | 55

syrians massively rally for president assad
https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=353022241419609&set=a.166558333399335.59751.165918890129946&type=1&theater
strange if he was slaughtering them
BUT no such huge rallies for the insurgents

Posted by: brian | May 16 2012 13:32 utc | 56

www
can you find me photos of Assad shaking hands with Bush?
cause i cant

Posted by: brian | May 16 2012 13:35 utc | 57

for news on syria:
https://www.facebook.com/News.About.Syria
free of ominous marxist nonsense

Posted by: brian | May 16 2012 13:56 utc | 58

Hey brian et al:
Brian kicking some serious butt here! Kudos.
Reading through the comments
Serious logical fallacies used.
Webster is a Larouche devotee and global warming denialist
So what?
Red herring? Shoot the messenger? Let me count the disinfo ways???
Omen, you need this!
http://pennyforyourthoughts2.blogspot.ca/2012/05/logical-fallaciespropaganda-techniques.html
I have been following along with the Syria destabilization since March 2011- when the first stirrings of western backed destabilization were beginning-
The signs were all there- March 24/2011
http://pennyforyourthoughts2.blogspot.ca/2011/03/western-backed-social-media-revolution.html
For me, Omen’s comment about Syria and Lebanon were the tip off
No mention of Israeli involvement in all of Lebanon’s troubles…
Just Syria
Next thing Omen will tell us is that Syria killed Harriri….
That will put the cherry on the top of the disinfo.
If I may share some additional links for Omen?
Some of my personal faves..and there are so many to chose from, what with there being a total of 173 Syrian posts???
http://pennyforyourthoughts2.blogspot.ca/2011/05/plans-to-manipulate-syrian-army-outside.html
http://pennyforyourthoughts2.blogspot.ca/2011/07/us-provokes-syria-and-promotes-road-map.html
http://pennyforyourthoughts2.blogspot.ca/2011/08/ajc-adl-press-un-for-firmer-action.html
Last but most certainly not the least
super “hero” Wissam Tarif
affiliated with the NATO created SNC and the mouthpiece/mechanism for garnering western dupe support for regime change AVAAZ
http://pennyforyourthoughts2.blogspot.ca/2011/11/libya-to-syria-guns-for-human-rights.html
You can fool some of the people some of the time……

Posted by: Penny | May 16 2012 14:16 utc | 60

Sorry for the messed-up link, Brian. Google Bush and Assad photo and you’ll get it. It’s from the days of Desert Storm when Syria joined the US team against Iraq in 1991. For having joined up, the US arranged for Syria to get grants of $2.5 billion and gave it a 10-year lease on Lebanon.
b, please delete the above Google link

Posted by: www | May 16 2012 14:32 utc | 61

1991? is so last century!

Posted by: brian | May 16 2012 14:45 utc | 62

Brian, other photos for you: November 23/90 of Bush Sr with Assad in Geneva and October 27/94 of Bill Clinton with Assad in Damascus
http://www.syrianhistory.com/People/key/Abdul+Raouf+al-Kassem

Posted by: www | May 16 2012 14:47 utc | 63

www: How could the US give Syria a 10 yr lease on Lebanon?
How did that work?

Posted by: Penny | May 16 2012 14:48 utc | 64

Figure of speech. The civil war had just ended and time for Syria that had been there as a sort of peace force for 14 years with US consent to leave. Desert Storm came along in time and when Syria joined the invasion, there was no longer a (US)need for it to exit Lebanon. Egypt got $15 billion in grants for having joined as did mostly all others that joined the invasion. During the following 10 years, there was no US presure on Syria to leave Lebanon. You can read about it:
http://www.wrmea.com/component/content/article/228/3828-hello-damascus-the-boys-are-back.html

Posted by: www | May 16 2012 15:24 utc | 65

Brian, 1991 sounds like it was just about the time you were born. No wonder you know so little about Syria’s history. 20 years or so may appear ancient history to you, but they are nothing in comparison to the history of Damascus that goes back to 9000 BC.

Posted by: www | May 16 2012 16:30 utc | 66

UN observers returning after blast in south Syria: mission chief

DAMASCUS, May 16 (Xinhua) — Head of UN observers in Syria Maj. Gen. Robert Mood said Wednesday that the observers whose convoy were struck by a blast in Khan Sheikhoun near the southern Hama province a day earlier have departed from the area and are on their way back.
A convoy of four vehicles with UN observers in them was struck Tuesday afternoon by a blast caused by an improvised explosive device in Khan Sheikhoun area near Hama.

Mood said earlier Wednesday that the observers are safe and have stayed in Hama overnight.
He expressed gratitude to the Syrian government for facilitating the return of the observers, and renewed calls for halting violence in the country in order to make his mission a success.

Posted by: b | May 16 2012 16:39 utc | 67

if you read the piece i cited, penny. you’d see how syria colluded with israel.

The Syrian military and Syrian-backed local groups directly intervened in the civil war. They also actively encouraged sectarian differences, much as Assad has done at home in Syria. During the mid-to-late 1970s, they were able to repress the Lebanese Communist Party and the Palestinian revolutionary groups. After succeeding in destroying left-wing groups in Lebanon, they turned to destroying the Syrian left groups, including the Communist Labour Party and the Syrian Communist Party.
Throughout the civil war in Lebanon, both Syria and Israel established significant control over the country. Though both Syria and Israel had tense and at times conflicting interests, they united to share power in Lebanon and to drown the revolutionary movements in blood.

syria regime helped to kill israel’s enemies.
p.s. posting undated, uncredited facebook photos does not constitute “kicking butt.”
it’s cute though.
The solider speaks to the UN observers in English explaining to them what happened.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X2_qayPTyz8&feature=youtu.be
Posted by: brian | May 16, 2012 9:30:59 AM

thank you, that was interesting.

Posted by: omen | May 16 2012 16:59 utc | 68

“Webster is a Larouche devotee and global warming denialist”
So what? Red herring? Shoot the messenger? Let me count the disinfo ways???

if you can’t recognize crazy when you see it, then i can’t help you.

Posted by: omen | May 16 2012 17:21 utc | 69

Omen 69
‘if you can’t recognize crazy when you see it, then i can’t help you.’
If you can’t recognize ad hominem, I can’t waste my time on ya.
Tried to help you.

Posted by: Penny | May 16 2012 17:26 utc | 70

Mood said earlier Wednesday that the observers are safe and have stayed in Hama overnight.
He expressed gratitude to the Syrian government for facilitating the return of the observers, and renewed calls for halting violence in the country in order to make his mission a success.
Posted by: b | May 16, 2012 12:39:38 PM | 67

i posted this at 10:45am eastern but reuters changed it since then:
When Reuters asked one of the four monitors by phone if they were being held prisoner, he said: “We are safe with the (rebel) Free Army.”
A spokesman for the rebel military council said the rebels were working on a safe exit for the monitors. An internal U.N. document obtained by Reuters said that a total of six monitors were under rebel “protection” in a “friendly environment.”

http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/05/16/us-syria-idUSBRE84C0DO20120516

Posted by: omen | May 16 2012 17:29 utc | 71

penny, does this sound sane to you?
LaRouche abhors popular music; he said in 1980, “Rock was not an accidental thing. This was done by people who set out in a deliberate way to subvert the United States. It was done by British intelligence,” and wrote that the Beatles were “a product shaped according to British Psychological Warfare Division specifications.”
do you believe global warming is a conspiracy and a hoax?

Posted by: omen | May 16 2012 17:31 utc | 72

Omen
Logical Fallacies/Propaganda Techniques explained
http://pennyforyourthoughts2.blogspot.ca/2012/05/logical-fallaciespropaganda-techniques.html
seriously take the time.

Posted by: Penny | May 16 2012 17:32 utc | 73

Question Omen:
Who killed the Bashir Assad’s brother?

Posted by: Penny | May 16 2012 17:39 utc | 74

Oops apologies, thinking of assad’s brother and heir apparent… but meant Hariri?
Who killed Hariri in Lebanon?

Posted by: Penny | May 16 2012 17:41 utc | 75

i don’t know, penny. he didn’t die from a car accident? do you know what happened?

Posted by: omen | May 16 2012 17:42 utc | 76

who killed hariri, penny?

Posted by: omen | May 16 2012 17:44 utc | 77

Omen: I have wasted enough precious life time with you.
Your insistence on using logical fallacies….. to shoot the messenger, create strawmen and red herrings says all that needs to be said
www: I thank you for answering my question
much appreciated

Posted by: Penny | May 16 2012 18:25 utc | 78

>>> i posted this at 10:45am eastern but reuters changed it since then >>>
Reuters, BBC,CNN,Fox, Jazeera, Arabia and those dozens of clandestine YouTube video posters giving you the latest out of Syria.

Posted by: www | May 16 2012 18:26 utc | 79

Omen: I have wasted enough precious life time with you.
Your insistence on using logical fallacies….. to shoot the messenger, create strawmen and red herrings says all that needs to be said

you are deflecting by refusing to answer my question. do you believe the beatles were an evil subversive plot cooked up by british intelligence? do you believe global warming is a hoax?
consideration for the psychological soundness of a source is valid consideration. or would you prefer people treat loons (like, say, charles manson) as a valid source? is loonier the better for you?

Posted by: omen | May 16 2012 18:38 utc | 80

This thing is turning out bigger than anyone could imagine..? First it was an IED on 4 UN-trucks, and it has turned into a rebel kidnapping of UN observers? WTF is going on?

Posted by: Alexander | May 16 2012 18:38 utc | 81

Reuters, BBC,CNN,Fox, Jazeera, Arabia and those dozens of clandestine YouTube video posters giving you the latest out of Syria.
give me a list of your approved outlets, wwww.

Posted by: omen | May 16 2012 18:41 utc | 82

Brian #48 said “Assad is popular…if he were killing syrians he would not be.”
I agree with both parts of that.

Posted by: Parviziyi | May 16 2012 20:33 utc | 83

Penny, since you’re very much into the subject of Syria, the following essay in the Daily Star about how things gradually deteriorated between the US and Syria after Sept. 11,2001 would probably interest you:
http://www.dailystar.com.lb/ArticlePrint.aspx?id=64892&mode=print

Posted by: www | May 16 2012 20:46 utc | 84

In a fresh blow to the peace effort, the international monitors have been caught up in the violence as well.
A team of observers was evacuated from a tense town in northern Syria on Wednesday, one day after a roadside bomb hit their convoy and left them stranded overnight with rebel forces, a U.N. spokesman said.
The team’s vehicles were struck by the blast Tuesday during a mission in the northern town of Khan Sheikhoun. None of the observers was wounded, but they had to spend the night with rebels in the area.

Read More: The Daily Star :: Lebanon News

Posted by: Alexander | May 16 2012 21:45 utc | 85

Bashar Assad did an interview with “Russia 24” TV within the past couple of days and it was broadcast this evening. One of the things Bashar said: “I don’t care about what they say about me. They are lying and they know it. We don’t care about their lies, we don’t even try to answer back, because they are doing us a favor without even knowing it. They lie, then they believe their own lies. They build all their plans on this feeble foundation, as such, these plans and schemes wither away once their lies are exposed.” Source: http://www.facebook.com/syria.news.news
My comment: The lies — in so far as they are being believed as truth — are giving moral and rhetorical support to the rebels. It is for that reason that it is necessary to expose the lies as being lies. And it is a non-trivial task to do so because a lot of people start with the prejudice that what the Assad government says and offers as evidence doesn’t deserve credibility.
When Bashar says, “We don’t care about their lies, we don’t even try to answer back,” that is an unwise attitude. I can tell you that Bashar does not actually have that attitude deep down. A key reason why the Assad government stands strong today is that the Syrian people don’t believe the lies, and Bashar fully understands that.
Back on 26 Feb 2012 Bashar said that Syria is facing is a foreign media attack. “However,” he continued, “the news media, notwithstanding its importance, doesn’t outdo the reality. They may be stronger in the airwave space, but we are stronger on the ground. Still, we want to win on the ground and in the space.”
He knows as I know that the Gadhafi goverment was destroyed by lies, the Saddam Hussein government was destroyed by lies, the Taliban government in Afghanistan was destroyed by lies.

Posted by: Parviziyi | May 16 2012 22:11 utc | 86

noise, lots of noise.

Posted by: lizard | May 17 2012 2:38 utc | 87

Brian #48 said “Assad is popular…if he were killing syrians he would not be.”
if assad was popular, he wouldn’t be driven to reduce parts of syria to piles of rubbles. have you seen homs?
there has to be word to describe a willful disbelief of atrocity despite reams of evidence pointing to the fact. people still deny to this day the genocide occurred in bosnia. (wait, is it only muslim deaths critics insist on denying?) this despite video evidence showing mass graves. the stubbornness in clinging to denial is disturbing. it’s as if evidence would upset one’s ideology, so critics prefer to deny facts instead.

Posted by: omen | May 17 2012 5:07 utc | 88

He knows as I know that the Gadhafi goverment was destroyed by lies, the Saddam Hussein government was destroyed by lies, the Taliban government in Afghanistan was destroyed by lies.
Posted by: Parviziyi | May 16, 2012 6:11:32 PM | 86

yes, the iraq war was a big scam. yes, afghanistan was unnecessary (if we wanted to retaliate for 9/11, we should have invaded saudi arabia.) but that doesn’t mean the arab spring was bogus. that doesn’t mean dictators weren’t brutal. that doesn’t mean the populace weren’t fed up and frustrated with feeling stifled at having to endure dictatorial rule for 40 long stagnant years with no end in sight.
it wasn’t pnac that drove gaddafi to commit war crimes. it wasn’t neocons who caused bashar to render collective punishment and shell an entire city for the sin of a little boy scribbling graffiti on the wall. not everything damn thing that happens in life is the result of a cia plot!

Posted by: omen | May 17 2012 5:29 utc | 89

Parviziyi, there’s no doubt that most of what’s being reported in the Western and some Arab press is invented or distorted. It’s not important that the Syrian population believes and stands behind Assad, the disinformation being spread is not for the benefit of the Syrians but of those countries eager to have NATO bomb Syria. In Libya, most of the people were behind Gaddafi, but it didn’t stop NATO. Even if the majority of the Syrians are with Assad and evidently they are, NATO will still bomb it if the US says so. It’s been almost a year since Assad said he had proof of foreign involvement and that he will be proving it. What was he waiting for? It doesn’t matter anymore because the foreign arming of the rebels and terrorists is now out in the open and the US, Europe and the Gulf countries are no longer shy about publicly admitting it.

Posted by: www | May 17 2012 5:43 utc | 90

In Libya, most of the people were behind Gaddafi,
if “most of the people were behind gaddafi,” tripoli wouldn’t have fell so easily.
do you even know any libyans?

Posted by: omen | May 17 2012 6:20 utc | 91

Indeed, it is important to expose the lies. A disinformation propaganda-campaign like this one is a very powerful tool, and it has led to many falls. Difference now is, some get to know the truth by the Internet, others are utterly blind – even journalists. Even Saddam Hussein won the media-war, but still he fell, and still his name carries a bad taste when uttered.

Posted by: Alexander | May 17 2012 6:22 utc | 92

OMEN 88
HOMS:the people of HOMS want the army to stay
http://lizzie-phelan.blogspot.com.au/2012/04/citizens-of-homs-if-army-leaves-homs-we.html
http://lizzie-phelan.blogspot.com.au/2012/04/students-from-homs-thank-syrian.html
and they wouldnt if OMEN were correct..
But OMEN doesnt want to listen to the syrian people..esp the people of HOMS

Posted by: brian | May 17 2012 8:04 utc | 93

arab spring is BOGUS:
watch the Revolutionn Business
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lpXbA6yZY-8

Posted by: brian | May 17 2012 8:06 utc | 94

In Libya, most of the people were behind Gaddafi,
if “most of the people were behind gaddafi,” tripoli wouldn’t have fell so easily.
do you even know any libyans?
Posted by: omen | May 17, 2012 2:20:04 AM | 91
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tripoli was bombed brutally by NATO, attacked by jihadis from places like Qatar, egypt tunisia etc, and libya was betrayed by some generals..NAT bombed Sirte to ruins…try to get your facts straight OMEN…

Posted by: brian | May 17 2012 8:12 utc | 95

UN observers refuse to identify a 5th person in a UN car
A UN (United Nations) vehicle with four persons has visited Al Hamidiya, a district of the Syrian city Homs, in the recent days. When the car of the UN observers has left this district of the Syrian city of Homs, there was a fifth person in the vehicle.
Afterwards, this UN vehicle was stopped by some Syrian security forces. The members of the Syrian security wanted to identify this new person in the car, but the other four UN observers have not allowed this. The UN Observers in the car refused any identification of this new person in their car after they have visited the city of Homs.
The Syrian security forces were not pleased that the UN Observers have rejected any identification of this new person. As our sources have stated, it came to some small turbulences between the Syrian security and the people in this UN vehicle.
While the Syrian security forces had nothing against the visit of UN Observers to Al Hamidiya, Homs, the Syrian security wanted to identify this new person in the UN vehicle. The reason is easy: the fifth man did not look like a Syrian.
Now, a bit later, it is clear that the 5th person in this little UN convoy was an officer from France. The Syrian security has not yielded and thus, it seems that another French Officer is in Syrian custody now.
etc
http://www.syrianews.cc/syria-what-kind-of-games-are-played-by-un-observers-645.html

Posted by: brian | May 17 2012 8:41 utc | 96

tripoli was bombed brutally by NATO, attacked by jihadis from places like Qatar, egypt tunisia etc, and libya was betrayed by some generals..NAT bombed Sirte to ruins…try to get your facts straight OMEN…
foreign jihadis, my ass. tripoli was taken over by libyans.
nato bombed regime strongholds. valid military targets. yes, there was a stray bomb that took out a civilian house. that was tragic. but my statement still holds.
if “most of the people were behind gaddafi,” tripoli wouldn’t have fell so easily.
military targets don’t make up the support of a leader. people do. if gaddafi was beloved by the people, citizens would have stood up and opposed the rebels who drove in to take over the city. instead, people of tripoli embraced their brothers who had arrived to drive out a hated and despised tyrant. if you knew any libyans, they would tell you this.
rebels negotiated with tribal leaders from sirte for at least a week if not two before launching an attack. sirte REFUSED to surrender. you can’t say sirte wasn’t given a chance. sirte got more consideration and courtesy than gaddafi ever offered misrata. that city was mercilessly shelled and snipered day and night, locked down under seige for nearly two months. so called anti imperialists couldn’t give a shit that people from misrata were being slaughtered, starved out and weren’t even able to evacuate the wounded until finally some back-up arrive and regime’s heavy ordnance that was aimed at the port was finally FINALLY taken out by nato. only then were the wounded able to board a ship and leave to get treatment in benghazi.

Posted by: omen | May 17 2012 8:56 utc | 97

Canadian Syrian’s Receive Death Threats
When they call the police to report the death threats they’ve been receiving these Syrians get asked “are you pro-Assad or anti-Assad?” With the Canadian neocon government funding anti-government elements in Syria it is not surprising that these Canadian-Syrians who endorse the Syrian government feel that they are being unjustly treated by the Canadian state and it’s supposed “law enforcement system.” Indeed these Syrian patriots even went so far as to insinuate that the Canadian state was consciously nurturing Islamist groups in order to import the Middle East’s sectarian problems into Canada which would have the effect of making Canadians more likely to view the world through Israel’s anti-Arab spectacles. — Joshua Blakeney
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EIwxLzLSbA0&feature=youtu.be

Posted by: brian | May 17 2012 8:59 utc | 98

libyans did oppose the rats omen..try not to lie so much.i realise you hate libya and the jamahirya and welcome the terrorist militias…and your lies wont earn you a ticket to paradise

Posted by: brian | May 17 2012 9:01 utc | 99

bashar assad and the syrian regime itself is the one of the biggest sponsor of islamist terror groups in the arab world. hello!

Posted by: omen | May 17 2012 9:05 utc | 100