This thread gets boring …
Posted by: b | Apr 19, 2012 1:38:51 PM | 102
Then go elsewhere- Assange’s show, Fox News, Dem Now.. help yourself, the distractions are legion.

Posted by: limited hangout | Apr 19 2012 21:22 utc | 104

Analysis: Wikileaks vindicate, don’t damage, Israel
http://www.jpost.com/Defense/Article.aspx?id=197131
By YAAKOV KATZ 11/28/2010 Haaretz
Barak: ‘Wikileaks incident has not damaged Israel’
http://www.jpost.com/DiplomacyAndPolitics/Article.aspx?id=197357
By JPOST.COM STAFF 11/30/2010
Netanyahu: WikiLeaks cables prove Israel is right on Iran
http://www.haaretz.com/news/diplomacy-defense/netanyahu-wikileaks-cables-prove-israel-is-right-on-iran-1.327653
Leaks show how the entire Middle East fears a nuclear Iran, prime minister says.
By Barak Ravid 29.11.2010 Haaretz

Posted by: limited hangout | Apr 19 2012 22:48 utc | 106

@ Limited Hangout
Agree with Claudio. I take it your new here, but B runs this site, so telling him to go elsewhere probably not a wise move 😀
On the cables you mention. One rule that generally serves me well is to take Israels public position and assume the reality is the opposite. Israel is always either lying or to stupid in their analysis of the Middle East to be right. The Wikileaks cables served alot of purposes.
It painted Ben Ali in a bad light 4 months before he was forced from office in Tunisia in the first Arab Spring. It showed Mubarack was selling Natural Gas to Israel at a 30% discount 5 months before he was forced from office. It showed King Abdullah of Saudi Arabia was secretly siding with the Israeli’s against another Muslim nation (Iran, with his “cut the head off the snake” comment). It damaged the credibility of the Special Tribuneral in Lebanon. It harmed the US occupations of Iraq and Afghanistan. And it allowed the Red Cross to get a definitive list of all prisoners held in Guantanamo (something that they hadn’t achieved previously). That is just off the top of my head.
My final comment on the matter is that no one can truly know Julian Assange’s motives. But I’d prefer to have him out there exposing stuff than not out there. The only “evidence” you provide is Netanyahu’s statements and a story from the right-wing Daily Telegraph about an Embassy party he attended as a guest of an MP who thought it’d be funny to bring him.
So maybe do some research, think for yourself, and don’t just take what Netanyahu says at face value.

Posted by: Colm O’ Toole | Apr 19 2012 23:50 utc | 108

I have presented more than enough evidence on this thread- outside of the Israeli articles in the last post to make my point. Believe what you will. Even Assange’s colleagues have admitted that Soros helped them with their startup. Assange is no more an independent whistleblower than the Arab Springs are spontaneous, non-US backed uprisings. And to discount the Israelis words in a blanket statement like you do-esp when it verifies reality- is stupidity. Each item needs be looked at case by case, whether it is Sharon, Saddam, Bush Sr, Jr, and even Kissinger.
Read Carroll Quigley Tragedy and Hope. Then read the books in the bibliography. After you have? We’ll discuss.

Posted by: limited hangout | Apr 20 2012 3:30 utc | 110

I am delighted Robert Anton Wilson was mentioned.
also, and this is totally off topic, I’d like to mention that the poet Jack Spicer and the science fiction writer, Philip K. Dick, once shared an apartment together.
chapel perilous, indeed.

Posted by: lizard | Apr 20 2012 5:38 utc | 112

lizard…
philip k dick’s “the man in the high castle” is one of my favorite books.

Posted by: retreatingbladestall | Apr 20 2012 5:49 utc | 114

I believe none of limited hangout’s presumptions; which fly in the face of logic. Because his case is nothing but a paranoid cocktail and a busy example of psyops.. It is character assassination wrapped in a clever construct. The destructive political effect, for which it has aimed, is a very primal kind of demoralization; and its ultimate goal is to discredit the source (Assange); and by breaking the implicit bond of trust and admiration people have for him, it can become effective as a way to mayhem, as a means to cripple wikileaks, a means to destroy it, and even work toward weakening the impact of the intelligence material it is responsible for releasing.
And this would be precisely the modus operandi and blueprint that was outlined by the Pentagon when it stated publicly how it intended to destroy Assange and wikileaks. The “package ” presented by these insidious posts is an ingenious psychological weapon, whose poisonous potency never seems diminished, no matter how many times it is deployed.
The logic against such weak theory of conspiracy, that was presented against Assange here, continues to mount up. The prosecutorial resources of Obama’s Justice Department represent both huge outlays of money and prestige–with the prestige at stake being more important than the dollars. Team Obama has signaled its preference to bring Assange to heel under the Espionage Act of 1917, because of the severe penalties attached to that draconian law. This is the same harsh measure brought out against the whistleblower, Thomas Drake, in a recent prosecution. In consideration of a more realistic blueprint of conspiracy, I would think the joining of hands the American and Israeli right wings would be a better candidate for conspiracy, the mutual admiration of Sweden’s Prime Minister and neocon operative Karl Rove, for instance.
In contrast, the poisoned pen cries out that there’s signs of conspiracy because so few cables have turned up, in Assange’s most recent batch, that can embarrass Israel; and yet there is really nothing about this from which we can draw a conclusion, one way or another. And the the fact that Prime Minister Netanyahu opportunistically seized on this dearth of cables as a ready means to argue for the alleged innocence of Israel, is probably only evidence of his political alertness, in order to to gain some diplomatic advantage.
I would argue that the occult measures used to terminate wikileaks’ financial support, by putting the squeeze on Visa, Mastercard, and Paypal–or even the black magic that compelled SWIFT to terminate Iran’s place in the electronic banking matrix–are examples of a much more reliable, and imperial, index of conspiracy.

Posted by: Copeland | Apr 20 2012 6:23 utc | 116

i guess it could be that assange has fooled me… or maybe my impatience has got the best of me.
assange might have a more sophisitcated appreciation of how it works… an appreciation of his limits.
it’s like turning an oil tanker around, only worse… it takes years… except in the soviet union which disintegrated overnight.
then he runs for senator of australia, and australia is a toady of the israeli american empire…
he must have some pretty long-range plans.

Posted by: retreatingbladestall | Apr 20 2012 7:17 utc | 118

in terms of geopolitics, assange’s effort have been meaningless.
in the best of all possible worlds, the nasrallah interview could be a warning to israel… “civilize yourself or perish.”
it could be a symptom that israel’s usefulness is over, it could be a symptom that people are starting to realize what a bad idea israel was in the first place.
meanwhile, the neocon project marches on, and, so far as i can tell, assange has done nothing to slow it down.

Posted by: retreatingbladestall | Apr 20 2012 7:42 utc | 120

everybody knows this shit.
everybody.
the debate is over.
now it’s just a matter of figuring out what to do and how to do it, and assange is irrelevant.

Posted by: retreatingbladestall | Apr 20 2012 7:54 utc | 122

like i said before, maybe assange has a more sophisiticated understanding than i do.
maybe not.
doesnt make much diffenence, seeing as how the empire will fail, the looters will get away with the loot, and jewishness will be persectuted, fulfilling their dismal expectations.
i’m tired of being chained to losers, and assange has done nothing to loosen my shains.

Posted by: retreatingbladestall | Apr 20 2012 8:07 utc | 124

everybody knows this stuff.

Posted by: retreatingbladestall | Apr 20 2012 8:31 utc | 126

Despite the dearth of minimally objective reporting on Hezbollah, there are figures on the periphery of the U.S. intelligence apparatus who seem to have views similar to those that might be found here at MOA. One wonders when, if ever, those implementing U.S. foreign policy will take such views into account as anything more than trifling irritations to be discounted or ignored.

Posted by: Hannah K. O’Luthon | Apr 20 2012 12:47 utc | 128

Very general:
It was a surefire bet that some hackers or computer types would break low-level security.
Actually, that more hasn’t happened earlier is somewhat surprising.
Because there are ways to do it anonymously, but then, the info appears, to the public, and the PTB as random, to be ignored, just noise.
So a figure, or figures, an vague organization, etc. is necessary.
The ppl doing it have to have a public face, an agenda, a platform, even if it is minimal. Therefore, Julian Assange.
The agenda has to be minimal and pointed – as is Julian’s. (It is only haplessly political and he will never make it in politics or only for a moment as a freaky figure..)
Revealing whatever if no one will see or listen is hopeless.
Being an isolated, whistleblower can do you harm.
Pirate parties (for internet freedom, free content, etc.) in the EU even have some seats, and are, in some places, gathering steam. I read that the EU may even refuse ACTA (no idea if true.)
So, to have success on just the one issue, one has to accept, or adhere to, deliberately or unconsciously, contemporary myths.
That *includes* that 9/11 was the work of Muslim terrorists, and the towers came down because of jet fuel (or whatever.)
Note that the likes of Chris Hedges and Naomi Klein also accept the official version of 9/11, or skip over it as best as they can. As does, btw, Chomsky.

Posted by: Noirette | Apr 20 2012 18:52 utc | 130

yo, limited hangout. People here are only interested in the eternal return of their own errors of perspective. Although, I must say, I’m surprised you’ve been rejected. Usually, conspiracies are a big hit around here.

Posted by: slothrop | Apr 20 2012 22:42 utc | 132

prologue
the mother of all color revolutions…the tam
[the *massacre that never was…]
+China, 88-94 Prior to the Tiananmen Square incident, NED had two
offices in China that gave regular seminars on democracy. NED
sponsored various Chinese writers and publications. Probably NED or
CIA recruited numerous Chinese students studying in U S. When
Tiananmen Square erupted, NED or CIA probably sent or helped FAX
thousands letters to recipients in China, inflamed opinion via Voice of
America and sheltered a leading dissident in US Embassy — which also
arranged for many dissidents to flee. NED continues to support Chinese
dissidents and awards Tiananmen’s “Goddess of Democracy,” to noted
dissidents of all nations. In early 94, the US Tried to force China to ease
political controls in exchange for continuation of most favored nation
(MFN) trade status and called China a violator of human rights. In 5/94,
the Chinese police detained 4 members of local association for human
rights as one boarded flight to the US. Clinton, bowing to pressure from
business interests, separated human rights from Ch ina’s MFN status.
The July 1992 issue of NED’s journal of democracy announces
formation of new underground movement in China — the Free Trade
Union of China. The announcement was made by the international
confederation of free trade unions, a long-time CIA labor front.
CIABASE update report 7/94
China, 89 The Chinese government arrested representatives of a private
American org in Beijing, the Fund for the Reform and Opening of China.
George Soros who founded the fund said the Chinese government has
detained Liang Congjie. Soros denied any CIA involvement in the fund.
Soros, an east European émigré who funds similar programs in Hungary,
Poland and the USSR, Founded the China fund in 86 Soros gave the
fund $1 million which it used to promote cultural exchanges and sponsor
research projects in conjunction with China’s Institute for Economic
Structural Reform, an influential liberal think tank supported by Zhao.
Allegations that the China Fund was a tool of the CIA surfaced in 87
Washington post 8/8/89 a4 +
http://www.friendsoftibet.org/databank/usdefence/usd4.html
here comes wiki
tinyurl.com/3gy8jxv
the *founding fathers* [tam veterans, tibetan activist]
wikileaks.org/wiki/Advisory_Board
the manisfesto [did clinton penned this ?]
wikileaks.org/wiki/WikiLeaks:About
from the horse mouth [as if we need more confirmation]
+Our primary targets are those highly oppressive regimes in China,
Russia and Central Eurasia, [as an after thought] but we also expect to
be of assistance to those in the West who wish to reveal illegal or
immoral behavior in their own governments and corporations [sic]+
tinyurl.com/399jvkw
connect the dots, ned, soro, tam, tibet, wiki, target……china
this isnt rocket science
this equation should be a piece of cake except for those who’re in denial
or……. what ?
soro + ned + rfa + google = ?
like the man says
+if there’s a more transparent psyop out there, i havent seen it+
crazy_inventor [134]
*at least Assange and company are risking freedom and life,*
manning the unwitting patsy is rotting in jail
assange the messiah is living it up
doing the circuit
i heard he wants to run for senator [sic]
* by making the freeing of information to help others, more important
than themselves*
if u think the rothchilds would setup an outfit to screw the empire then i’d
say ur moniker is well chosen
*none of the FUD’ers here have addressed the point I made*
everbody knows fukusi [courtesy debs] = fuck uk, us, israel
whats fud, please ?
let me guess, something nasty, u dont like to hear fukus ?
hmmmm

Posted by: denk | Apr 21 2012 3:23 utc | 134

fud – fear uncertainty doubt
Assange is a rare person, Manning is also a rare person, but Manning’s predicament isn’t Assange’s fault, he didn’t finger him, that slimeball Lamo did.
Someone willing to broadcast Hizballah’s material in the U.S. is also a rare person :
Al-Manar was designated as a “Specially Designated Global Terrorist entity,” declaring it “owned or controlled by the Iran-funded Hizballah terrorist network” and banned by the United States in December 2004. Transmissions to North America via Intelsat’s satellites were blocked. It has also been banned by France, Spain and Germany, and has run into some service and license problems outside Lebanon, making it unavailable in the Netherlands, Canada and Australia while it has not officially been banned in any of these regions.
New York Man Charged With Enabling Hezbollah Television.
Javed Iqbal, a resident of New York is the first person to charged under this law. Iqbal, 45, a Pakestani who had been living in the U.S. for more than 25 years, was charged by federal prosecutors with providing material support to a foreign terrorist organization by broadcasting Al Manar to U.S. customers. Saleh Elahwal, who also operates HDTV, was also charged.
1.) Iqbal
2.) Elahwal
3.) me
Ahmadinejad speech at UN nuclear conference.wv
Iranian Scientist Shahram Amiri’s Interview (longer – english).wv
anon lamos spreading fud on the internet however, are very common and unremarkable, so step up from the dime a dozen fud role and BE the 4’th

Posted by: crazy_inventor | Apr 21 2012 7:17 utc | 136

crazy_inventor [ 136]
spare me the craps
u’re in denial , or what?
i’d show u a real whistle blower
philip agee
tinyurl.com/7gule3v
an ex cia agent turned critic of the evil empire
he exposed lots of us sponsored international terrorism
tinyurl.com/84uvp5j
here’s just the tip of an iceberg
*That same month the CIA, in its efforts to deny arms to Cuba prior to
the coming exile invasion, blew up a French freighter, Le Coubre, as it
was unloading a shipment of weapons from Belgium at a Havana wharf.
More than 100 died in the blast and in fighting the fire afterwards. I see
the rudder and other scrap from Le Coubre, now a monument to those
who died, every time I drive along the port avenue passing Havana’s
main railway station*
tinyurl.com/89sce4f
he was pissing off lots of important people big time
eventually the heat got too much,
he feared for his life n fled to cuba
he stayed in exile until his death in 2008
as for the *left* poster boy *whistle blower* assange
who u say is *risking freedom and life,* [sic]
well, a man who goes around getting high profile interview by the likes of
forbes, hobnob with the economist ,making the circuit in tv appearance ,
doesnt appear to be fearing for his life, imho
no wonder,
why should he worry when he is doing the bidding of the empire ?
he has made good his promise to target *repressive regimes like china,
russia, iran, etc * ,as laid out in his own mission statement,
every time uncle sham accused these *regimes* of some evil scheme,
wiki is there to back it up.
here’re just some examples, the tip of the iceberg, of wiki legitimising
the official narrative
tinyurl.com/7kxn5kf
tinyurl.com/2fqlo5e
tinyurl.com/6m78447
tinyurl.com/898egcv
tinyurl.com/7qupadb
tinyurl.com/2wwbeu6
tinyurl.com/4cjjhd8
tinyurl.com/28jh4bm
tinyurl.com/7fr6mhs
tinyurl.com/6tcgkjk
tinyurl.com/8xdb6wk
tinyurl.com/7omhnl8
so u dont trust the pentagoon, state dept any more ?
no worry , we’ve wiki 😉
here’s a man *on the run*
alright buahahha
no doubt the puppet masters are aware of the *statics* about wiki’s
cred , so expect more dog n pony shows to boost up the brownie
points.
dont worry about assange’s safety [sic]
he’d be fine as long as he is delivery the goods
but if one day the pm decide he is worth more dead than alive
*they* would not hesitate to *suicide* him to mar·tyred wiki

Posted by: denk | Apr 22 2012 14:03 utc | 138

good stuff denk. the china stuff is priceless, esp as there is ZILCH about how Israel stole American tech and for at least 20yrs has been selling it for top shekel to ? CHINA.
Not such a fan of Tony Cartalucci- he’s another zionists stooge. He had a long screed that Alex Jones published on how jews and Israel are the ongoing victims of America’s frameups and get unfairly blamed. He has rewritten the same info a hundred times over- always fingering ‘them’- NGOs, corporations etc but never details who controls those entities.
Assange, DemNow, chmsky, Cockburn Bros, Zinn, Naomi Klein, rawstory and dozens of ‘alternatives’ like them deride 911 investigation of official story and deserve no attention. The slickest is Ron Paul, who only Rense seems to have been perceptive enough to catch. Today Jeff Rense was vindicated after Ron Paul endorsed Israel’s moving of capital to Jerusalem from TA.
The dealbreakers are simple and mightily effective: 1) Israel 2) 911 Separates the wheat from the chaff every time.

Posted by: limited hangout | Apr 23 2012 2:42 utc | 140

A bunch of posts missing here that were up just a couple hours ago- one by denk with some fantastic links making his case about CIA Assange and responses to him. guess this site is another Daily Kos sort, disappearing the anti-zionist exposures? Waste of time. Will go elsewhere.

Posted by: LH | Apr 23 2012 4:26 utc | 142

limited handout
*Really, it’s hard to see how the Wikileaks fan-boys are able to ignore such incredible coincidences which occur, not in isolation, but as a concerted ‘whole’*
more *conspiracy theory*
cass sustein
*Wikileaks.org, founded by dissidents in China and other nations, plans to post secret government documents and to protect them from censorship with coded software*
tinyurl.com/2lehoq
* now we find out that Ben Laurie writes source code
for the US DOD within the NSA*
tinyurl.com/d3xcvm9
tinyurl.com/cfuqzmv
tinyurl.com/c63a5rr
tinyurl.com/bnyxzod
soro + ned + tam veterans + sunstein = ?

Posted by: denk | Apr 24 2012 6:37 utc | 144

@limited hangout #140

The dealbreakers are simple and mightily effective: 1) Israel 2) 911 Separates the wheat from the chaff every time

The search for “dealbreakers” interests me very much; as far as anti-imperialism goes, I agree on Israel, but I don’t see why the position on 911 should be decisive; it’s a matter of interpretations, after all; or does 911 done by “real Muslims” justify Afghanistan (no proof provided against OBL), Iraq (lay state, no connection whatsoever with 911), Lebanon, Libya, Syria, etc etc?

Posted by: claudio | Apr 24 2012 17:07 utc | 146