Moon of Alabama Brecht quote
April 30, 2012
“Its Image And Appeal”

From the horse's mouth in a speech on drone killings titled “The Ethics and Efficacy of the President’s Counterterrorism Strategy”:

More broadly, XXX’s killing of innocents—mostly Muslim men, women and children—has badly tarnished its image and appeal in the eyes of Muslims around the world.

I am always amazed how little self awareness these people have.

Comments

(sorry for light posting – on to some urgent family stuff)

Posted by: b | Apr 30 2012 17:36 utc | 1

OT:
Ive a post for this thread http://www.moonofalabama.org/2012/04/three-issues-france-eygpt-and-china. stuck in the sin-bin
perhaps you might be so good as to release it from the sin-bin?
Thanks in advance

Posted by: Hu Bris | Apr 30 2012 17:40 utc | 2

b, you do not have to apologise, ever – though in a calmer moment i would like to ask you a few questions on a few questions
be well

Posted by: remembererringiap | Apr 30 2012 17:43 utc | 3

Hey b – ditto R’giap; no apologies necessary. Appreciate you keeping the place open and the spotlight focused on some of the many blank spots in the journalistic world.

Posted by: Maxcrat | May 1 2012 0:51 utc | 4

“U.S. targeting practices, including lethal operations conducted with the use of unmanned aerial vehicles, comply with all applicable law, including the laws of war.”
The only way the US of A’s right-wing cranks can make this sound like a good idea is to ‘forget’ that most drone strikes kill innocent people.
If they acknowledged that inconvenient fact then they’d also be obliged to list the countries in which murdering innocent people, accidentally or otherwise, is legal and praiseworthy.

Posted by: Hoarsewhisperer | May 1 2012 2:53 utc | 5

A New Challenge for Our Military: Honest Introspection
http://www.foreignpolicy.com/articles/2012/03/19/a_new_challenge_for_our_military_honest_introspection

Posted by: Calig | May 1 2012 4:10 utc | 6

Thanks for the link b. The contents of that speech is pure,unadulterated bull shit.

Posted by: ben | May 1 2012 4:31 utc | 7

@5 Here’s a quick question to mull: how can it be “legal” for the CIA to run its own “drone war” when the CIA is not one of the Armed Forces of the USA?
That would make a CIA pilot an “illegal combatant”, would it not?
Quite how the USA can be “complying with the laws of war” when it is employing “illegal combatants” to fight that war is something that might require significant obfuscation.

Posted by: Johnboy | May 1 2012 11:34 utc | 8

yeah but
the very notion that there is such a thing as “illegal combatants” is in itself a significant legalistic obfuscation.

Posted by: Hu Bris | May 1 2012 11:42 utc | 9

if drone campaigns fall under the “laws of war”, that rules the joystick operators in AZ and whereever to be legit targets for counter attack – whether in their office, burger joint or pto mtg – does it not?

Posted by: b real | May 1 2012 12:10 utc | 10

Indeed. As long as they are employed, or even anyone harbouring these combatants would be legitimate targets using the US logic.

Posted by: Alexander | May 1 2012 13:01 utc | 11

I keep wondering why the Americans seems to think they have the right to kill people they consider unfriendly to them and when this happens the other way, they are outraged and start their babble about terrorists trying to “destroy our way of life”. So, what would happen if some other nation, say, Iran does the same. That is, flying unmanned drone over New York to kill people who don’t like them. How absurd is this policy and how hypocritical are western nations to think they have “a license to kill”. Shouldn’t the UN debate this policy …i caught myslef saying that and choked, like this would ever happen.

Posted by: ana souri | May 1 2012 13:16 utc | 12

A bit OT, but, really relevant, in today’s world. Chris Hedges’ latest:
http://truth-out.org/opinion/item/8808-when-civilizations-die

Posted by: ben | May 1 2012 13:58 utc | 13

for news about syria
https://www.facebook.com/News.About.Syria
‘West, Zionists seek instability, division in Syria’
April 30, 2012 | Interview with Kevin Barrett

Press TV has conducted an interview with Kevin Barrett, author and Islamic Studies expert from Madison, to further discuss the issue. The following is a transcription of the interview.

http://www.presstv.ir/detail/238919.html

Posted by: brian | May 1 2012 14:07 utc | 14

Thanks brian, for the links. Think I’d fall into the camp espoused on the Press TV link. The old saying ” The enemy of my enemy, is my friend”, was never more true when it comes to the U.S. use of AQ to further the ambitions of the U.S./West.

Posted by: ben | May 1 2012 14:44 utc | 15

The aim is, confusedly, global dominance with the endpoint of a very static, stable society, a completely predictable landscape. (see Orwell…)
To achieve it, you do not wage costly war against another country, with much devastation, to take it over, dominate it, control it, appropriate its resources, and impose a new kind of organization .. Swallow it and remake it to your vision, so to speak.
What you do is corrupt, subvert, control, use contact points, pressure on key persons, etc. – get individual ppl to bend to your will.
You work from the outside while aiming to control the inside thru a top-down scheme, using intimidation, scare-mongering, blackmail, exacting tribute, engaging in shady and illegal deal making, and the like. That may mean stooge Gvmts, Kangaroo courts, supporting human trafficking and other lucrative ventures, yet other destructions, etc.
At a smaller and more local level, Mafias function this way. Some corporate or organizational take-overs are similar in a minor key, as are, yet at another level, ‘associations’ or groups in competition and rifts, power struggles, in dynastic families. The USSR was broken up in this way, say, as a mega ex.
In such a vision or mental landscape, the capacity and will combined with legal impunity to carry out targeted assassinations is vital, as it *appears* to instantly remove from influence or power some X person, and speedily and neatly decapitates (sic) opposing or contrary organizations. > Problem solved!
Such a mind set runs thru the text posted in the top post.
What if the Borgias had drones? Heh, arsenic poisoning is dodgy, can’t count on it at all.

Posted by: Noirette | May 1 2012 16:39 utc | 16

kristallnacht was legal

Posted by: ruralito | May 1 2012 21:18 utc | 17

http://www.commondreams.org/view/2012/05/01-10
‘Shame on You’: Why I Interrupted Obama Counter-Terrorism Adviser John Brennan
by Medea Benjamin
the Berlin Job interview
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LoiHbcuou0E

Posted by: somebody | May 1 2012 22:00 utc | 18

@ruralito
the whole Holocaust was legal – it was a matter of national security, after all: racial impurity and Jewish infiltration, in the Nazis’ analysis, were the causes of the German defeat in WWI
the other cause was corrupt “Parliamentarism”; but seems that the Us’ contribution to political theory is the discovery that a corrupt parliament, and presidential election, can be reconciled with the Führerprinzip

Posted by: claudio | May 2 2012 1:05 utc | 19

“the very notion that there is such a thing as “illegal combatants” is in itself a significant legalistic obfuscation.”
No, not really.
After all, it has long been accepted that mercenaries are “illegal combatants”, whereas foreign volunteers are perfectly legal.
But it is important to point this out: GCIII (the protection of Prisoners of War) and GCIV (the protection of civilians) are meant to be book-ends i.e. if you don’t fall under the protection of GCIII then you are entitled to claim the protection of GCIV.
The legalistic obfuscation of Bush and his happy-campers was to claim that “illegal combatants” existed in a legal limbo i.e. neither in GCIII or in GCIV.

Posted by: Johnboy | May 2 2012 1:16 utc | 20

Interesting opinion piece here:
http://jurist.org/forum/2012/04/david-frakt-targeted-killings.php
The legal implications really do stagger the mind.

Posted by: Johnboy | May 2 2012 1:28 utc | 21

And another one:
http://jurist.org/forum/2012/02/laurie-blank-targeted-strikes.php
Both make mention of a particularly difficult question i.e. if the entire world is a battlefield (and that’s what the “War on Terror” means) then where/who/when are any of us safe from a US drone strike or a shoot-to-kill raid by Seal Team Six?
And if the entire world is a battlefield then shouldn’t the USA be grappling with the legal implications of that?

Posted by: Johnboy | May 2 2012 1:32 utc | 22

FYI
The Market of Suicide Bombers, Saudi Arabia
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DuGhi-WlBEU&feature=youtu.be
these are syrians in saudi arabia

Posted by: brian | May 2 2012 9:11 utc | 23

Johnboy @ 21
“Combining these distorted self defense laws with the growing popularity of state laws permitting concealed weapons means that, in many states, every American must now be viewed as a human Predator drone, capable of unleashing lethal force without warning at the slightest provocation.”
This would imply every american around the world can be assumed legal targets according to their own rules. The authors of the constitution and the rules of combat knew this, and subverting the law, as the last US regimes has done is very dangerous indeed.

Posted by: Alexander | May 2 2012 10:23 utc | 24