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April 4, 2012
Günter Grass – What Has To Be Said

Today the German Süddeutsche Zeitung published a poem by Günter Grass about the conflict between Israel and Iran. The usual subjects immediately condemned the writer.

The following is my unauthorized (amateur) translation of the complete poem into English. I tried to stay as near as possible to the, sometimes seemingly awkward but certainly intended, original line breaks and punctuation.

What has to be said

Why am I silent, conceal too long,
what is obvious and in war games
has been trained, at whose end we as survivors
will at the most be footnotes.

It is the alleged right of first strike,
with which the Iranian people,
subjugated by a loudmouth
and steered towards organized elation,
could be snuffed out with,
because the building of a nuclear bomb
within its fiefdom is assumed.

But why do I prohibit myself,
to name that other country,
in which for years – though kept secret –
a growing capability exists
though out of control as
not open for audit?

The general concealment of this fact,
to which my silence subjugated,
feels for me like a burdoning lie
and a coercion, which promises punishment;
the verdict "antisemitism" is commonly used.

But now, because from my country,
which for its very own crimes,
which are incomparable,
is called up again and again and taken to task,
repeatedly and businesslike, though
by slippy lips declared as reparation,
another submarine to Israel
shall be delivered, whose specialty
consists of, steering all-annihilating warheads
whereto, the existence
of a single bomb is unproven,
but as a fear shall be conclusiveness,
I say, what has to be said.

But why my silence so far?
Because I though, my origin,
which has a not redeemable taint,
prohibited me, to strain,
with this fact as spoken truth,
the country Israel, to which I am
and want to stay beholden.

Why do I speak only now,
aged and with my last ink:
The nuclear power Israel endangers
an already fragile world peace?
Because it has to be said,
what already tomorrow could be too late;
also because we – as Germans burdened enough –
could become supplier for a crime,
which is foreseeable, which is why our complicity
could not be redeemed
with the usual subterfuges.

And admittedly: I no longer remain silent,
because I am disgusted with
the hypocrisy of the west; additionally there is hope
that many may liberate themselves from their silence,
to request the originator of the discernible danger
to abstain from force
and also insist,
that unhindered and permanent control
of the Israeli capability
and the Iranian nuclear installations
through an international authority
shall be allowed by both countries governments.

Only this way can all, the Israelis and the Palestinians,
even more, all people who live in the delusion occupied region
near by near as enemies and in the end even us,
be helped.

Comments

There’s one way to solve this. Extradite all the Israeli Jews to Germany. It’s about what the number would have been in Europe had Hitler not tried to exterminate them. It’s the least Germany can do for all the trouble it caused. It got off light with the Marshall Plan.

Posted by: Sultanist | Apr 4 2012 17:38 utc | 1

“It got off light with the Marshall Plan.”
I’ve thought for many years now, the Jewish homeland should have come from lands within Germany, but you can never go back. Unless that is, you’re Jewish, and you lay claims to lands seen as a homeland thousands of years ago. Were that a viable solution, America would have to give the native Americans most of the U.S.A.

Posted by: ben | Apr 4 2012 17:59 utc | 2

It’s amazing how much Israel has trivialised the term “Anti Semite”. Grass is probably just expressing what the average German feels is right, and indeed what the average person in the world feels about Israel’s cruel policies. The reducto ad absurdum is that now an ever larger proportion of Jewish critics of Israel are designated Anti Semitic. How more ridiculous can they get?

Posted by: JohnE | Apr 4 2012 18:14 utc | 3

no1
yes!
It is a bad poem by the way. He should have written a newspaper opinion piece.

Posted by: somebody | Apr 4 2012 18:20 utc | 4

“There’s one way to solve this. Extradite all the Israeli Jews to Germany.”
Irresspective of whatever Germany has done in the past . . .no one deserves that

Posted by: Hu Bris | Apr 4 2012 18:21 utc | 5

@Sultanist,
You were Morocco Bama formerly?

Posted by: nobodee | Apr 4 2012 18:28 utc | 6

N. Nevada, perfect homeland for Jews. No pogroms, no islamists, lax gun laws, same latitude as Israel(the deserts will bloom!). Americans(who love Jews!)on all sides. Plenty lebensraum for puerile settlers to strut with their Uzis.
I’m not making a joke. This is (should be) doable.

Posted by: yes_but | Apr 4 2012 18:39 utc | 7

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Posted by: hu Bris | Apr 4 2012 18:44 utc | 8

@4: quite right, bad stuff, literally. And although I would agree with him politically in this issue, Grass should anyway stop from discussing anything, with his special past of hiding his Waffen-SS membership for over 60 years. Or read this from an interview with Tom Segev in Haaretz, Aug. 26., 2011:
“Of eight million German soldiers who were captured by the Russians, perhaps two million survived and all the rest were liquidated. There were about 14 million refugees in Germany; half the country went directly from Nazi tyranny to communist tyranny. I am not saying this to diminish the gravity of the crime against the Jews, but the Holocaust was not the only crime. We bear responsibility for the Nazis’ crimes. But the crimes inflicted serious disasters on the Germans and thus they became victims.”
The figures are totally wrong: In Soviet captivity, about one million Wehrmacht soldiers died, historians say, and they were also not “liquidated”. How Grass comes to his six million number is the secret of his subconsciousness. What the Literature nobel laureate said reads, in any case, as classic myths from the neo-Nazi and extreme right-wing corner – the poor german becoming a victim of bolsheviks and jews.

Posted by: thomas | Apr 4 2012 19:24 utc | 9

Israel dürfe keine deutschen U-Boote mehr bekommen.
Isn’t the point of the bad poem to raise the issue of the submarines that Israel is acquiring from Germany and can use to attack Iran. I think that issue is not reported at all in the US media.
I see the hasbara crowd has arrived and quite capably turned the subject around to GG’s unsavory past – seventy years ago – while the circumstance of here and now can be ignored.
Good work all ’round. Nice job. Shalom.

Posted by: nobodee | Apr 4 2012 19:43 utc | 10

nobodee @10 says…

“…I see the hasbara crowd has arrived…”

they’re scared…
they’e beginning to see how badly they’ve trapped themselves… they’re beginning to realize that they, by their own actions, are damaging jewishness… they’re beginning to realize that no amount of bullshit can cover up the fact that they’ve painted themselves into a corner.
they’re beginning to realize that they now how to resort to “might makes right” to control their american protection, and they’re beginning to realize that their american protction is not likely to surive peak oil and global warming, no matter how badly they trash the constitution.
it’s time for zionists to grow up, but they dont know how, and that scares them.

Posted by: retreatingbladestall | Apr 4 2012 20:01 utc | 11

Jews aren’t semites; arabs are.
Every time I hear the expression “anti-Semite” it reminds me that Jews hate arabs enough to justify killing their children without a trace of remorse.

Posted by: Hoarsewhisperer | Apr 4 2012 20:14 utc | 12

actually the fun about this is, thomas, that Günther Grass managed in old age to do (again) what every young writer dreams of – hit the taboo and be the center of conversation (and newspaper articles).
that SS stuff is another publicity stunt, the discussion is plain silly, Günther Grass was 6 years old in 1933 and grew up in a dictatorship and in war. you do not have many personal choices if you get brainwashed in circumstances like that (and sure, he was no resistance fighter at the age of 17).
you can compare with this artist
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joseph_Beuys
in my book a writer should write well, what he or she does with their personal lives is a different matter. unfortunately, nowadays, writers also have to sell their stuff :-))
you mean the wrong numbers in this interview? :-))
http://www.haaretz.com/weekend/magazine/the-german-who-needed-a-fig-leaf-1.380883
“However, the interview, which lasted two-and-a-half hours, did not always go smoothly. It was held on the occasion of the publication in Hebrew of “Peeling the Onion” (translation: Hanna Livnat, published by Zmora Bitan ) – an autobiographical work published in German in 2006, in which Grass revealed that he had served for a few months in the Waffen SS as an adolescent. The revelation stirred a furor which resounded from one end of the world to the other; the book was published in 30 languages.
Grass is a world-renowned brand name. He has a battery of assistants and is apparently a very busy person. His personal assistant told me that Grass was tired of talking about his SS past. He understands, of course, that on the occasion of the book’s appearance in Hebrew, certain questions will be unavoidable, he is curious to know how the book will be received in Israel – but he hopes with all his heart that the interview will not be only about his service in the Waffen SS. ”
the tin drum is world literature. the rest isn’t.

Posted by: somebody | Apr 4 2012 20:22 utc | 13

somebody says, @13…

“Günther Grass managed in old age to do (again) what every young writer dreams of – hit the taboo and be the center of conversation (and newspaper articles)…”

yup, i’m sure that grass just wanted some publicity… that explains everything.
it couldnt possibly be that he’s genuinely concerned about the way things are going…
of course, he might be going way against the grain, might he not? …maybe the powers-that-be in germany are so severely limited that they’ve decided to give israelis enough rope to hang themselves…
…and israelis, true to form, rush to stick their necks in the noose, despite protestations from gunter grass.
“the dust of a drummer’s day…”

Posted by: retreatingbladestall | Apr 4 2012 20:52 utc | 14

somebody @13:
wrong, GG was / is an outspoken political person, since decades. So I judge him in this regard, it was plain stupid hiding his Waffen-SS memberships for decades in an environment, starting in the sixties, when everybody was asking for “Aufklärung /explanation” and “what did you do during these times?” I know what I’m speaking of. I agree with most of what he tries to say in his “poem”, but i’m very uncomfortable with his style in german. He really should have written just an article or comment, not call it a poem. But what really pisses me off are these stupid excuses, lies, inadequate analogies etc. of the german war generation. How does it come GG speak about 6 millions Wehrmacht soldiers being “liquidated” by soviet red army in captivity??? It’s a subconscious subtext: 6 millions jews murdered in holocaust – we, the germans, also mourn about 6 millions victims. It’s the life long “Lebenslüge” of this generation, based on untrue facts and wishful thinking.

Posted by: thomas | Apr 4 2012 21:12 utc | 15

@ 15.
Uh-oh. This is beginning to sound like one of those “My Holocaust was bigger/better than your Holocaust” conversations.
I was going to say ‘you couldn’t make this stuff up’ but that wouldn’t be strictly correct, would it?

Posted by: Hoarsewhisperer | Apr 4 2012 21:34 utc | 16

Just what the world now needs – a former member of the Hitler youth sermonizing about Jews

Posted by: slothrop | Apr 4 2012 21:39 utc | 17

i thought i would use this opportunity to tell people here what i am working on & to ask a favor in terms of sources
i am writing an epic poem – (i am still working on the poem dedicated to furkan dogan – ‘when they came/for you’) – but i am working on a poem – a 1001 nights, in fact considerably more, on the russian fight against the nazi terror, day by day, i have read considerably in french, english & italian – the magisterial john erickson, bellamy & a few other historians but i am looking for any books i might have missed, including biographies & military histories
recent scholarship has underlined the courage & valor of the soviet people, underlined the great military genius even at ‘lower’ levels, not limited to the great generals though i will be focusing on rossokovskiy – giap before giap, even bourgeois historian are obliged to mention the courage & organisation of the nvkd in many fields of battle. in rereading my sources – it is also clear that significant resistance took place as early as brest litovsk & eve though there were many errors – even from that time resistance was unlike anything the germans ever encountered, consolidated with the fight & counteroffensive in moscow. everything i read & that has been written recently & for the most part by bourgeois historians confirms that for me
i want the poem to be a record of that, in part because in most european languages – this story has never been told & i am sufficiently skilled to tell it
documentaries have been a disaster, very little that doesn’t go back to cold war prejudices & the falsification of history – though there is a military history for russian television that has been done in the last decade – ‘soviet storm’ which is both self critical but comparatively rounded
important for me to include is – the shoah par balles/by bullets – in the east where the great majority of jews & gypsies & commissars were killed in massacre upon massacre upon massacre – on which baltic & ukranian fascists played a leading role, i want to work deeply on belarus where the greatest crimes occurred, it was almost wiped off the map & is role as the loci of an offensive by the russians ‘bagration’ that defeats all description
so if any of you could suggest books & documentaries i might have missed, i would be most thankful
though it has always been my feeling & has not changed through the immense reading i have done, that the german nation deserved everything they got & they were lucky that the soviet union was much more generous than it might have been
i am convinced that a work of this gravity need to be done because i feel the threat of fascism is very very real & an element of that is that countries & people do not know their history

Posted by: remembereringgiap | Apr 4 2012 21:47 utc | 18

i just saw this on Medialens message board…..Grass is absolutely correct, and zionist jews are upset that such a prominent figure ahs dared to break ranks to speak out against them

Posted by: brian | Apr 4 2012 21:47 utc | 19

Waffen-SS. right.

Posted by: slothrop | Apr 4 2012 21:49 utc | 20

israel is now home to the SS..ask an palestinian or israeli arab!

Posted by: brian | Apr 4 2012 21:50 utc | 21

yes slops a former member of Hitler Youth can recognise current members, all of whom are now living in israel and work for the Israel Occupation Force: theyve improved on the old order by bombing concentration camps

Posted by: brian | Apr 4 2012 21:52 utc | 22

Ahmadinejad’s implication is that the Jews were uniquely Europe’s problem and in particular Germany’s problem. Instead of dealing with the problem it was deferred to the Palestinians and/or Arabs. In keeping with Ahmadinejad’s implication Israel should be no more and the Israeli Jews should return to whence they came meaning Europe and more specifically Germany. This time around Germany must be more creative in dealing with their Jewish citizens meaning they can’t enslave them or cremate them or annihilate them by any other effective or not so effective means.
As Inspector Clouseau would say if you do that “the case is a sol-ved.”

Posted by: Sultanist | Apr 4 2012 22:27 utc | 23

to come back to the GG poem and why it has been placed here: such a messenger makes the whole message untrustworthy

Posted by: thomas | Apr 4 2012 22:32 utc | 24

Come to think of it, b has never really distinguished himself from run-of-the-mill German Jew haters. He hates Israel, doesn’t think it should exist. So… Give them Hamburg, slesvig-holstein, a big chunk of Bavaria?

Posted by: slothrop | Apr 4 2012 22:39 utc | 25

Perhaps b could share with us robust translations of the anti-Zionist musings from Paul De Man & Jörg Haider. Fuck, maybe you can edit a collection?

Posted by: slothrop | Apr 4 2012 22:44 utc | 26

@18: I would definitely suggest Jonathan Littell: Les Bienveillantes,
and you may have a look at this: Georgy Zhukov, Grigoriy Shtern and Yakov Smushkevich: Mongolia – Moscow – Berlin
The Battles of Khalkhin Gol

Posted by: thomas | Apr 4 2012 22:49 utc | 27

Hello slothrop, how’s your people’s occupation of Palestine going? Scared people are getting sick of that racist apartheid state? You people steal a patch of land and have the nerve to claim it was given to you by God!!! Even worse, they(including yourself) all claim to be “Jews”..Most “Jews” living in occupied Palestine today are mere economic opportunists sucking on America’s benevolence and generosity..If you’re not aware of it, it comes in the form of aid – go figure. Israel likes to boast of its spectacular economy. What they don’t say is that this very economy is heavily subsidized by America and any cut in US funding will see the flight of many Eastern European “Jews”(aka economic opportunists) going back to Moldova, Ukraine or Russia.
GG has said what he feel most Germans today are afraid to say. You can counter his claims with facts instead of resorting to personal attack and diversionary tactics like “anti-Semitic”..Guess what, most Israelis aren’t even Semites.Including you, Avi or Yossi. Can I call you Avi??
Start counting your apartheid days in occupied Palestine for they won’t last…Your attempt at Hasbara is very poor. Go back to your HQ in Tel Aviv and tell them to give you more facts other than the worn-out “anti-Semitic” tactics – it doesn’t work anymore!!!

Posted by: Zico | Apr 4 2012 22:57 utc | 28

remembering giap is indeed to remember millions who fought and fought to the death against fascism. Many of them, like General Giap, after the end of the Second World War when the leadership of the war against the wretched of the earth was taken up by the US.
Have you read Alexander Werth Russia at War? I read it years ago and liked it. Ilya Ehrenburg’s memoirs too are worth reading. Most people do not realise how desperately the Russians wanted peace after the dreadful experience of the war, and how systematically British and US (and German) diplomats and politicians fought to bring about the Cold War. As the son of a British soldier I was brought up to honour the Red Army and the Partisans who were the key to defeating Hitler: everyone understood that the US ruling class watched Operation Barbarossa with glee and that they relished Russian casualties. The story of the resistance, which later became the Korean, Vietnamese and broad anti-colonial resistance, belongs to all ordinary people everywhere. It always will. May your poem thrive.
Slothrop you make no objection to an ex-SS man fulminating poisonously against the Red Army and Communist tyranny in Europe (you might want to ask some of the victims what they think of capitalist freedom) but let him speak out about the obscenity of blackmailing the Germans into providing the world most vicious and mendacious state with enough nuclear armaments to blow up the planet and, all of a sudden, he is Hitler’s mouthpiece. Thank Christ scoundrels like Slothrop align themselves with humanity’s enemies, and no longer pretend to an interest in freedom or justice.

Posted by: bevin | Apr 4 2012 23:04 utc | 29

slothrop, I don’t think Israel (“A Jewish state”) should exist, and I’m not a Jew hater; I think it was a huge mistake to deport European Jews to Israel after WWII (that’s what happened, really – they weren’t given a choice); and now it would be another huge mistake to deport them back to Europe (not only Germany, by the way: they came from all Eastern European countries, in most of which anti-semitism was rampant and even more extreme than in Germany); people are sons of the land, and if you are born in Israel, you are a … Palestinians, I would say, just like the descendants of the victims of the ethnic cleansing of 1948, etc
the only civilized solution is the one-state solution

Posted by: claudio | Apr 4 2012 23:08 utc | 30

rb, I hope the suggestion you received so far are enough to put you at work on that worthy task, and give some respite to this blog

Posted by: claudio | Apr 4 2012 23:11 utc | 31

Thank you, thomas, for your contributions to this thread. When I first read the poem, I raised an eyebrow at the bit about how Germans have been “burdened enough,” wondering if perhaps not all meanings of that line are entirely wholesome. Your comments confirmed my suspicion. I’ve never been to Germany but I can only guess that reflexive nationalism runs deep in that proud, guilty land–even amongst the supposedly enlightened intelligentsia, it seems.

Posted by: Uriel | Apr 4 2012 23:11 utc | 32

r’giap, I bet the Russians have produced some awesome FPS games from the Soviet point of view. Don’t forget the contempt in the west for slavs: all fat babushkas and knuckle dragging drunks. But it sure bit back at Hitler and Napoleon. It is marvellous how the Soviet system, as creaky and new-fangled as it was, held up so well in the face of tried and true capitalist mgmt.

Posted by: yes_but | Apr 4 2012 23:17 utc | 33

b, thomas, uriel, etc: Germans haven’t had much of a chance to elaborate the past; they obviously had to take responsibility for their actions, but not on a leveled field, with the rest of the world practically taking the high ground and framing the XX century either in terms of “antifascism vs fascism”, or of “democracy vs totalitarianism”; in either case, Germans were the villains, Us and western europe the heroes
what happened in practice was that all of Europe and the West lost its historical memory, which is why we can find ourselves today repeating the history of the late XIX century, with its colonialism, plutocracy, racism, and utter disregard for humanity
WWII spawned a series of mythologies regarding the Us, western civilization, Zionism, etc which still enslave us and prevent critical thinking and a real assumption of responsibility towards our past

Posted by: claudio | Apr 4 2012 23:24 utc | 34

r’giap, how could I forget The Don Trilogy? Ripping yarns!

Posted by: yes_but | Apr 4 2012 23:29 utc | 35

wow in a lot of ways.
first, thank you b for putting this up. translation is incredibly difficult (not something I’ve attempted) and the topic is one GG obviously labored in articulating.
personally I think claudio @34 states it clearly and succinctly regarding the forced historical binary lenses many view the history of the XX century, and why continuing to bludgeon Germans with the horror of what humanity is still capable of doing is, at this point, counterproductive.
Israel has gone bonkers and threatens to spark a nuclear holocaust. a German should be able to point that out, even in verse, without being attacked for their historical national role in exterminating jews and gypsies and other undesirables.

Posted by: lizard | Apr 5 2012 0:07 utc | 36

When G. Grass writes:
“The general concealment of this fact,
to which my silence subjugated,
feels for me like a burdoning lie
and a coercion, which promises punishment;
the verdict “antisemitism” is commonly used.”
he is writing with precision. The concealment of fact can not be read as concealment of Germany’s WWII crimes, but concealment of Israel’s crimes today. His silence and Germany’s silence, and the possible facilitation of Israeli crimes, by him and his country, is the silence that feels like surrender to subjugation, and is heavy with its burdening lie, in which the punishment promised is the verdict of “antisemitism”.

Posted by: Copeland | Apr 5 2012 0:10 utc | 37

another translation. less literal but perhaps more readable than the one above
Gunter Grass
What Must Be Said
What must be said
Why have I been silent, silent for so long?,
Our generals have gamed it out,
Confident the west will survive.
We people have not even been considered.
What is this right to “preventive war”?
A war that could erase the Iranian people.
Dominated by it’s neighbor, pulsing with righteousness
Smug in the fact that it is they, not Iran,
Who have the Bomb.
Why have I so far avoided to identify Israel by it’s name?,
Israel and it’s ever increasing nuclear arsenal,
Beyond reproach, Uncontrolled, uninspected.
We all know these things
Yet we all remain silent, fearful of being labeled:
anti-Semitic
hateful
worse
Considering Germany’s past these labels stick
So we call is “business”, “reparation” take your pick,
As we deliver yet another submarine.
As we provide to Israel the means to deliver the annihilation.
I say what must be said.
Why did I stay silent until now?
Because I’m German, of course.
I’m tainted by a stain I cannot wash out
I’m silent because I want so badly to make it right
To put my sins in the past and leave them silently there.
Why did I wait to say it until now?
And write these words with the last of my ink?
Declaring that Israel threatens world peace?
Because it is true and it must be said,
Tomorrow will be too late.
We Germans now carry a new burden of sin on our shoulders
Through the weapons we have sold
We are helping to carry out this foreseeable tragedy
No excuse will remove our stain of complicity.
It must be said. I won’t be silent
I’ve had enough of the hypocrisy;
Please shed the silence with me,
The consequences are all too predictable.
It’s time to demand free and permanent control
of BOTH Israel’s nuclear arsenal
AND Iran’s nuclear facilities
enforced with international supervision.
It’s the only way, in a land convulsed with insanity,
Israelis, Palestinians, everybody, will survive.
And we too, will survive.

Posted by: anonymous | Apr 5 2012 0:21 utc | 38

Thanks anonymous.
This is a big complex poem; and through the lens of this new translation is more wondrous.

Posted by: Copeland | Apr 5 2012 0:29 utc | 39

what’s the big deal? nothing has changed. the zionists collaborated with the nazis in WWII, and now they’re buying hardware from the germans, same as before. so what if they stab 25,000 persian jews in the back with a nuke? that’s small potatoes to the human sacrifice of 6,000,000 they made to establish the zionist state. Molech was pleased before, and he is sure to reward them again.

Posted by: Proton Soup | Apr 5 2012 0:40 utc | 40

Interesting that Grass mentions Palestinians only at the end and ‘en passant’.
As long as Israel used the argument of a homeland for the Jews many people were willing to acquiesce but what does Iran have to do with the Jews’ security and search for a permanent homeland? Nothing…Israel doesn’t want homeland and security only, it wants exclusive regional hegemony and its belligerent attitude against Iran is a proof.
Would Israel have been more lenient and conciliatory with regard to Palestinians’ rights, and would it have been less belligerant with its Arab neighbours, its drive for exclusive military superiority would have been null and void.
Israel created the conditions for this confrontation which is a threat to world peace. It is a motion that was set by early zionists and which never stopped. It is Zionism that is the first enemy of Zionism.
You should watch Avi Moghrabi’s documentary ‘Avenge but one of my two eyes’. He depicts a national and identity narrative in Israel gone totally mad…

Posted by: Sophia | Apr 5 2012 0:48 utc | 41

Slothrop: “Waffen-SS. right.”
A very famous author writes a poem about the here-and-now.
It seems to me that there are two possible responses:
1) Discuss the poem, and argue whether the opinions expressed within it have merit.
2) Digress onto a discussion of the choices made by that poet 68 years ago, when he was 15 and the entire world (minus Sweden and Switzerland) was engulfed in madness.
Slothrop: “Waffen-SS. right.”
*sigh* Why did I know that Slothrop would jump straight to Option (2)?

Posted by: Johnboy | Apr 5 2012 1:06 utc | 42

actually, the fable of “absolute evil”, one of the main post-WWII mythologies, made German’s past literally *unthinkable*, and therefore impossible to elaborate;

Posted by: claudio | Apr 5 2012 1:22 utc | 43

claudio @43 says…

“…made German’s past literally *unthinkable*…”

…which is why it’s hammered into our heads from infancy that the germans killed six million jews.

Posted by: retreatingbladestall | Apr 5 2012 1:52 utc | 44

doc aumann got a nobel prize for his game theory… one of his award-winning theories was this: “you can tell wehat people believe by how they act.”
so the corollary of that must be, dont pay attention to the bullshit, pay attention to the actions… so
we get ream after ream of gobbledegook from zionist apologists, as israel continues its ethnic cleansing, israel continues to bulldoze america into wars it cant afford –morally, financially, any way you want to describe it –and the american government seems to have adopted the basic zionist philosophy of might makes right.
those are the actions, and the bullshit seems to be becoming less and less effective.
no wonder you guys are so desperate.

Posted by: retreatingbladestall | Apr 5 2012 2:04 utc | 45

I’d say Germans and most Austrians ought to keep their mouths shut forever about Israel.
You’re a sneaky little asshole, b. bravo.

Posted by: slothrop | Apr 5 2012 2:16 utc | 46

slothrop does not believe that people are capable of making mistakes, thinking their situation over, and reforming their behavior.
slothrop believes that, once you’ve made a mistake, you never ever have a right to citicize other people who are making the same mistake.
there’s no such thing as “learning from experience” in slothrop’s book
so israel is entitled to continue its ethnic cleansing of palestinians and israel is entitled to continue its domination of american policy…
…because everybody’s guilty of something, so nobody has right to criticize anybody, most especially israel.

Posted by: retreatingbladestall | Apr 5 2012 2:21 utc | 47

Put it this way. Would anybody here give a shit about published admonitions of ANC corruption by de klerk?
of course not. Same thing.

Posted by: slothrop | Apr 5 2012 2:39 utc | 48

the ANC is not threatening to shove my country into world war III.
the ANC does not dominate american media, politics, political process and debate.
the ANC, so far as i know, does not intend to commit nuke suicide if it doesnt get its way.

Posted by: retreatingbladestall | Apr 5 2012 2:42 utc | 49

jabber jabber

Posted by: slothrop | Apr 5 2012 2:43 utc | 50

the ANC is not a threat to jewishness, either, is it?
seems to me like jews have got to make up their minds what they want to be when they grow up… are they gonna be the world’s mightiest, most ruthless warriors, steeped in a philosophy of racial supremacy that renders their victims less than human, thus undeserving of human rights?
how can you reconcile that with the eternal victimhood of jews?
seems like you gotta choose one or the other, you cant be both…
…and it’s way too goddamned bad that the most sesible solution is to scrap jewish philosophy and start over again.l

Posted by: retreatingbladestall | Apr 5 2012 2:46 utc | 51

Why have I been silent, silent for so long?,
I’d say the old boy’s sense of irony is obscured by dementia or arrogance. or perhaps the Kashubian inflections made the translation too turbid

Posted by: slothrop | Apr 5 2012 2:48 utc | 52

slothrop’s skeered
the contradictions in jewish behavior cant be reconciled, and even jews are beginning to see it.

Posted by: retreatingbladestall | Apr 5 2012 2:50 utc | 53

Slothrop showing up in comments is like coming across a terrible accident on the opposite roadway — You know you won’t actually learn what happened if you look as you drive past, and you’re better off papying attention the flow of traffic for safety and because looking is so futile. Looking will accomplish nothing and might make you to cause another accident…but….
But…you just can’t resist at least glancing quickly at the wreckage….
And feel slightly shamed at your weakness and because looking accomplished nothing.

Posted by: jawbone | Apr 5 2012 3:50 utc | 54

Typo, ack. “Papying” should be “paying.” I plead fatigue.

Posted by: jawbone | Apr 5 2012 3:51 utc | 55

Slothrop is a Nazi.

Posted by: elucidation | Apr 5 2012 3:56 utc | 56

No, he’s a faschist zionist.

Posted by: Alexander | Apr 5 2012 4:02 utc | 57

@38 – thanks for that translation – who did it?
I think it is too accommodating. It does not get the winding complications especially of the fifths stanza which really express the internal tangle Grass is fighting there. I tried to be near the original in that. Even in German I had to reread that three times to get the construct.
As for Waffen-SS. Grass was drafted a few month before the end of war. He had no chance to choose which unit to go to. Waffen-SS units were by then anyhow mostly like regular army though sometimes better armed. A bit special like marines in today’s U.S. military. To hold that up against Grass is just stupid.

Posted by: b | Apr 5 2012 4:24 utc | 58

:-)) do not forget thomas, that 1960’s and 70’s writers were supposed to be political, all Gruppe 47 writers were (that was not a German phenomenon, I think Sartre started it), it is part of the marketing.
the point Grass is silent about is how come Germany produces these technically advanced potentially nuclear submarines, we do not have much of a coast to defend, they are not really defensive weaponry.
http://www.focus.de/wissen/wissenschaft/technik/studie-des-friedensforschungs-instituts-sipri-deutsche-waffenexporte-nehmen-deutlich-zu_aid_725787.html
Rough translation of below: “Without new markets Germany’s arms industry will not be able to survive in its present form. Buyers in Europe and the German army will be forced to cut back in the future. Germany’s arms trade will have to reorientate, the markets of the future are considered to be mainly in Asia.”
http://www.focus.de/wissen/wissenschaft/technik/studie-des-friedensforschungs-instituts-sipri-deutsche-waffenexporte-nehmen-deutlich-zu_aid_725787.html
“Ohne neue Absatzmärkte wird Deutschlands Rüstungsindustrie in ihrer jetzigen Form nicht überleben können. Die Exporte in andere europäische Länder dürften in Zukunft zurückgehen, auch die deutschen Abnehmer – sprich: die Bundeswehr – müssen aufgrund gekürzter Haushaltsmittel sparen. „Die deutschen Rüstungsfirmen sind bereits dabei, sich umzuorientieren und neue Kunden zu suchen“, sagt Mölling. Vor allem Asien gelte als Markt der Zukunft.”

Talking about Gruppe 47, Grass and the surrounding literary business – the issue I have with them is their amnesia concerning exiled writers and their non dialogue with GDR writers. They were very much a product of the cold war.

Posted by: somebody | Apr 5 2012 6:01 utc | 59

I’d say Germans and most Austrians ought to keep their mouths shut forever about Israel.

nobody should be allowed to speak about anything else, then – unless you adhere to the “absolute evil” thesis, in which case Germans, and only Germans, should not be allowed to speak about anything, while the others (Us and Israel and their “allies”) may bomb at will because they are intrinsically “good” (at least by comparison), in an eternal repetition of the fight of good vs evil (where Saddam, Milosevic, Ahmadinejad, etc are always “little Hitlers”);
but GG is not writing about Israel, he is writing about a nuclear submarine sold by Germany to Israel in the wake of an aggression against Iran: “business” hidden under the cover of never-ending “reparations”
he has the right and the duty to do so

most Austrians

that’s lovely; depending on how each one’s ancestors voted on the Anschluss? are you keeping a register?

Posted by: claudio | Apr 5 2012 7:05 utc | 60

actually the whole thing is a German inside joke
it is Easter remember – time for poems and poets –
“On holidays and Sundays naught know I more inviting
Than chatting about war and war’s alarms,
When folk in Turkey, up in arms,
Far off, are ’gainst each other fighting.
We at the window stand, our glasses drain,
And watch adown the stream the painted vessels gliding
Then joyful we at eve come home again,
And peaceful times we bless, peace long-abiding.”

Posted by: somebody | Apr 5 2012 7:05 utc | 61

@58: the critics are not so much at his (maybe forced) membership in Waffen-SS in the last months of war (he had to join in Nov. 44) but his decade – long silence about this fact. After WWII he was building up a reputation of an author of the new Germany, rightfully critizising the old nazi gang who still was in charge here; but he was not responding to the overwhelming call of the youth and other movements that the war generation takes up personal responsibility and not just puts all the blame on Hitler and his entourage. My father in law also was in Waffen-SS, but he spoke openly about it and so you could get a glimpse of what he really did and what generally happened. And in the very back of GG consciousness there is obviously left all the ideological waste of his youth years as you can see from his statement about the 6 million Wehrmacht soldiers being “liquidated” – that has to be rejected totally and disqualifies him for any other statement even if I agree more or less with the content of the “poem”.

Posted by: thomas | Apr 5 2012 7:08 utc | 62

“Waffen-SS units were by then anyhow mostly like regular army though sometimes better armed. A bit special like marines in today’s U.S. military. To hold that up against Grass is just stupid.”
this is another inadequate analogy I was speaking of earlier. Waffen-SS was to remain the armed wing of the fascist party and to become an elite police force once the war was won. During the war they were already this principal police force all over in occupied countries. And at the post-war Nuremberg Trials the Waffen-SS was condemned as a criminal organization due to its essential connection to the party and involvement in all known war crimes, which doesn’t exempt the role of normal Wehrmacht units also involved in the crimes. Reading of some books would help.

Posted by: thomas | Apr 5 2012 7:21 utc | 63

you got to wonder why germany is building more subs for israel than it’s building for germany…
not much cause to wonder why germany then gives the subs to israel, or subsidizes the purchase.

I heard of a saint who had loved you,
so I studied all night in his school.
He taught that the duty of lovers
is to tarnish the golden rule.
And just when I was sure that his teachings were pure
he drowned himself in the pool.
His body is gone but back here on the lawn
his spirit continues to drool.

leonard cohen

Posted by: retreatingbladestall | Apr 5 2012 7:24 utc | 64

thomas says @63

“…at the post-war Nuremberg Trials the Waffen-SS was condemned as a criminal organization…”

well, that would account for some of the desperation we see, wouldnt it?
that is, if enough “civilization” survives the collapse of the israeli american empire, and the ringleaders and their organizations are put on trial.
we can assume, of course, that the israeli reingleaders will immolate themselves in their samson option, and so wont face trial…

Posted by: retreatingbladestall | Apr 5 2012 7:50 utc | 65

Posted by: Uriel | Apr 4, 2012 7:11:30 PM | 32
There are Germans born after 1945, and they (I) are guilty of nothing other than being born German. Are we burdened unfairly…yes we are, we committed no crimes. We should not pay a cent be it money or weapons to Israel.
we = the Germans = should be assuring every survivor of the Holocaust has a decent life and never ever be suffer hard ship, but other than that i owe the Israeli government nothing. nada, nix zilch.
The Israeli government should go beg somewhere else for their weapons.
Claiming blood money to cause more blood to flow, for shame!
Time to end the inherited guilt or sin…….I am guilty of fuck all, and I will not be cowed into supporting another war based on lies.

Posted by: sabine | Apr 5 2012 8:01 utc | 66

to elaborate for sloth and his mates….
there are three/ four generations of germans born after the great war 2, that have been shamed for nothing more than the nationality they were born under. As far as i am aware, most of us did not choose where they were born.
and the generations of now, are aware of the crimes of past, and have a right to refuse to participate in the crimes to come. it is our duty to refuse, and it is duty of the elders to speak up now, so that history will not repeat itself. Nicht in meinen Namen.

Posted by: sabine | Apr 5 2012 8:15 utc | 67

That is the guilt Israel uses as leverage against Germans to force unfair political bias in Israels favour, which GG tangents in his poem.

Posted by: Alexander | Apr 5 2012 8:22 utc | 68

@65 – 68: we are not talking (at least not me) about you, your personal guilt, sin, or responsibility etc.; we are talking about Mr. Grass and his unbearable statements f.e. about 6 million Wehrmacht soldiers being “liquidated” in soviet captivity; that disqualifies him for any other statement on current affairs, esp. Israel – Iran. HE has to tell us why he was hiding his Waffen-SS membership, why he is talking in neo-nazi language etc.pp. It has nothing to do with you and you being born after WWII; but your remarks leave some questions with me: why are you arguing this personal way and not wrt the theme of the thread which is Mr Grass, his poem and his consciousness / subconciousness behind that???

Posted by: thomas | Apr 5 2012 8:56 utc | 69

the fact that grass made a mistake in his poem is evidence that israel and zionism are good ideas.
yes, that makes sense to me…
especially when my country has been lied into wars by israel and israeli americans, my country has wasted trillions of dollars on wars that israel wanted, and the people of my country are continually being lied to about the greatest challenges facing mankind in the next century.
they are being lied to about those challenges because they were likely the motives behind the israeli/israeli american attack on my country that got this goddamned project rolling.

Posted by: retreatingbladestall | Apr 5 2012 9:20 utc | 70

thomas
if you can refute the message shoot the messenger?
i don’t give a dime or a damn. i want Israel to shut the fuck up, open the gates to the largest Prisoner Camp aka Gaza, and let the rest of the middle east in peace so that they can sort themselves out.
i would like the US or A to shut the fuck up, see above…..
i do not want my country to give a further cent to the israeli government as the only thing they purchase with their “aid” is more bloodshed and tears.
further i would like the zionists so shut the fuck up and get their own fundamentalists sorted that are no better then all the other flavors of fundamentalists.
so i don’t care what grass said why back when,i really don’t, but i do agree with what he said in his current poem addressing issues of today.
dear thomas, go have a drink, loosen up and use your brain.

Posted by: sabine | Apr 5 2012 9:29 utc | 71

above should be
if you can’t refute the message shoot the messenger….
all typos, and errors are mine, and my germlish is awesome.

Posted by: sabine | Apr 5 2012 9:31 utc | 72

the fact that grass made a mistake in his poem is also confirmation that innocent people like sabine are obligated to subsidize israel forever, and they have no right to complain.
this is zionist logic at its finest.

Posted by: retreatingbladestall | Apr 5 2012 9:50 utc | 73

dear sabine, is it only personal insults you can release, or also any argument??

Posted by: thomas | Apr 5 2012 10:16 utc | 74

let’s clarify your position a little, here, thomas.
first, do you believe israel was a good idea?
second, do you believe israel is good for the jews?
third, how long do you think germans and the US should subsidize the jewish state?

Posted by: retreatingbladestall | Apr 5 2012 10:22 utc | 75

please substitute “haaretz interview” for “poem” in my posts 70 and 73 above.

Posted by: retreatingbladestall | Apr 5 2012 11:05 utc | 76

@75: and then there will be a McCarthy-style of committee deciding about what?
just read and try to understand my posts here

Posted by: thomas | Apr 5 2012 11:07 utc | 77

it is a great teapot storm
;-))
he is going to recite the “poem” in national television now :-))
http://www.ka-news.de/nachrichten/schlagzeilen/kurz-gemeldet/Guenter-Grass-aeussert-sich-in-Tagesthemen-und-aspekte;art326,849056
Grass is no – I repeat – no – lone poet. Gerhard Schröder has already turned up to show the kids how to do politics …

Posted by: somebody | Apr 5 2012 11:17 utc | 78

the thing i’m getting from your posts, since you are apparently incapable of answering a straight question, is that you’re trying to discredit grass because he was a nazi when he was a kid.
then grass makes what seems to be a mistake in his haaretz interview, and overstates werhmacht deaths in russian prison camps.
all this makes grass’s opinion worthless, according to your posts.
you refuse to make straight answers to straight questions about your personal position.
why is that?

Posted by: retreatingbladestall | Apr 5 2012 11:19 utc | 79

It’s the obligation of any German to keep their distance from any touchy subjects involving Jews. It’s the Germans who should shut the fuck up and choose one of the countless other humanitarian causes in which to concern themselves. The fact they’re choosing this cause that involves Jews tells the rest of the world that perhaps their mission has been incomplete and they wish to accomplish it once and for all for their forefather(s).

Posted by: Sultanist | Apr 5 2012 11:32 utc | 80

@thomas
should i ask you specific questions?
for instance, do you think shelling gaza with white phosphorus was a good idea? …or was it a bad idea because it made such dramatic television, and became a public relations fiasco for israel?
or was it just plain wrong?

Posted by: retreatingbladestall | Apr 5 2012 11:37 utc | 81

@79: because I’m not answering within less than an hour to your “straight” questions I’m incapable of answering anyway…??? you’ll find the answers in my postings
Grass didn’t make a “mistake” in the interview, he released voluntarily, not being explicitly asked by Tom Segev, all his nazi thoughts from the back of his (sub)consciousness, everything he was vaccinated with during the first 18 years of his life and hasn’t overcome this till now when he is 85.
Just compare the Grass BS about Wehrmacht soldiers with what Goebbels trompeted in the last years of WWII about german soldiers being in the hand of the cruel red army.
That’s why I cannot take him serious, most of what he tried to say in his poem I agree with, but he is the wrong messenger in this very complicated field of politics and history.

Posted by: thomas | Apr 5 2012 11:41 utc | 82

@sultanist 80, who says…

“It’s the Germans who should shut the fuck up…”

innocent germans have no right to a conscience.
good enough.

Posted by: retreatingbladestall | Apr 5 2012 11:43 utc | 83

Shelling Gaza was alright with the US, who vetoed a UN investigative resolution. As for the Germans, they have every right to speak up about foreign politics involving Israel, they especially have the right to disagree with their government selling submarines to Israel for bombing from the Iranian coast.

Posted by: Alexander | Apr 5 2012 11:44 utc | 84

so thomas is incapable of answering straight questions about his opinion of israel.
that, too, is good enough.

Posted by: retreatingbladestall | Apr 5 2012 11:44 utc | 85

@ retreatingbladestall
Since thomas won’t answer, let me answer for him:
first, do you believe israel was a good idea?
Yes. The jews suffered badly during the nazi holocaust, so any Palestinian suffering is trivial in comparison.
second, do you believe israel is good for the jews?
Yes. Israel was given to the Jews by God, and even if God commanded the jews to never have a national state, and forever be in exile, we have the right to do it anyway as a compensation for the holocaust.
third, how long do you think germans and the US should subsidize the jewish state?
Forever. We are Gods chosen people, and the goim should serve us, as they should serve God.

Posted by: Alexander | Apr 5 2012 11:52 utc | 86

thomas @9
FWIW, wikipedia states that the Soviets took 3,300,000 German soldiers prisoner and 374,000 died in captivity, while the Germans took 5,200,000 Soviet soldiers and 3,600,000 died in captivity. What is overlooked in these numbers is that most of the Germans died because the Soviets didn’t give a f*** whether the Germans lived or died which might be because most of the Soviets died because the Germans actively exterminated them. And don’t think the German soldiers didn’t know what had been done to the Soviets because most German soldiers were desperate to be captured by the Americans rather than the Soviets, the French or even the British although that changed to some extent after the Americans started liberating concentration camps. And maybe those who surrendered to the Americans didn’t do to well:

Eisenhower’s Holocaust – His Slaughter Of 1.7 Million Germans

Posted by: blowback | Apr 5 2012 11:55 utc | 87

@Alexander channeling thomas…
thank you for your forthright answers.

Posted by: retreatingbladestall | Apr 5 2012 11:57 utc | 88

now obviously the box of Pandora has been opened in this thread – Eisenhower – Holocaust and slaughter of millions of germans – where am I??
I will not follow that walk down to nazi and neo-nazi dump

Posted by: thomas | Apr 5 2012 12:14 utc | 89

Perhaps I can’t read poetry; after all, it’s not as if I make a habit of it…..
Nonetheless, I seem to take away a very different interpretation of that poem to most of the Usual Suspects in this thread.
I read it this way:
1) Israel is openly, indeed loudly, mulling how/when to attack Iran
2) Israel has nuke-tipped cruise missiles
3) Germany makes submarines that make useful launch platforms for nuke-tipped cruise missiles.
4) GIVEN (1)-(3) then What The F**k Is Germany Doing giving away such subs to a warmongering, nuclear-armed country?
That’s how I read that poem.
You read it different, do you?

Posted by: Johnboy | Apr 5 2012 12:16 utc | 90

let me answer this
first, do you believe israel was a good idea?
Zionism is not the result of the Holocaust. It is the result of the Austrian Hungarian version of identity nationalism. Whilst the French and American revolutions boldly defined citizen as being born on the terrain, 1848 European revolutions constructed genetic inheritance, which is the real bad idea
second, do you believe israel is good for the jews?
I think “the Jews” is a construct without agreed definition. So that question is pointless.
third, how long do you think germans and the US should subsidize the jewish state?
I don’t think they subsidize. Israel is the testing ground for the weapons and security industries. Lives are cheap.
Forever. We are Gods chosen people, and the goim should serve us, as they should serve God.
This specific god chose a lot of peoples to fight for him against each other. Maybe he is sitting somewhere with popcorn.

Posted by: somebody | Apr 5 2012 12:29 utc | 91

Johnboy @90…
here’s the system i use…
if you think something might happen, it wont happen…
so i try to think of the worst thing that can happen…
the worst i thing i think might happen doesnt happen… what happens is, something that’s even worse than that.
so, the worst that can happen is caroline glick’s scenario will come into play, where north korea supposedly furnishes nukes to iran, which iran then uses on the US or israel.
but that’s not quite the worst… the real worst is that israel nukes the US or even itself, and blames iran and north korea…
if i could think of something worse than that, i’d do it.
anyhow, the new york times is in on the gag, having published a widely read article about the US nuclear forensic capability deteriorating… which means we wouldnt be able to analyze the fallout and tell where the bomb came from… which means it could have come from an israeli sub, and we’d never know the difference.
anyhow, the scenario is set up, everybody’s clued in, everybody will instantly be on the right page, there’ll be none of this dancing israeli stuff and other discrepancies, and there’ll be no need for anthrax attacks to make sure everybody’s got the point.
but it’ll never happen, because i thought of it before it happened… see how it works?

Posted by: retreatingbladestall | Apr 5 2012 12:34 utc | 92

The Zios don’t like it,rock the Knesset rock the Knesset!
A 17 year old draftee is the epitome and emblem of Nazi fascism.Sheesh.
Gottdamerrung!
The would be gods are experiencing madness,not surprising.

Posted by: dahoit | Apr 5 2012 12:41 utc | 93

Johnboy @ 90: I got exactly the same take on the poem.
The fact that the current gov of Israel, treats Palestinians like vermin, is plain for all to see. ANYONE who points that out, WILL be demonized.

Posted by: ben | Apr 5 2012 14:02 utc | 95

@ retreatingbladestall | Apr 5, 2012 8:34:20 AM | 92
It’s as good as anyone else’s system.
There’s no doubt in my mind that the collective imagination is being artificially stimulated by some of the dopiest baseless horse shit in the history of propaganda.

Posted by: Hoarsewhisperer | Apr 5 2012 14:17 utc | 96

it is one of history’s darker ironies that the person central first to the T4 euthanasia question which was the jurisprudential precursor to the final solution, to the commissar order & to the mass murder of partisans – dr hans lammers (who worked within the chancellors bureaucracy who remained unpunished for his crimes was also, as part of post war german governments, the man responsible for selling warships to israel

Posted by: remembereringgiap | Apr 5 2012 14:44 utc | 97

Slothrop: “I’d say Germans and most Austrians ought to keep their mouths shut forever about Israel.’
So long as the Germans and Austrians also keep their money and submarines from Israel too….

Posted by: Matthew | Apr 5 2012 14:58 utc | 98

Looks like so called poetry can be an efficient tool:
Netanyahu loosing his cool
https://www.facebook.com/note.php?note_id=305724239499173
ben and johnboy, he is not just saying that, he is saying a lot more. The beauty of poetry is like a Rohrschach test.
As a matter of fact he is saying (and this makes it highly emotional):
I have been blackmailed not to speak my mind by feeling guilty for Germany’s past and by my fear to be called antisemite
However, not to speak against helping to attack Iran first would be additional guilt
but now I am sick of the West’s hypocrisy to worry about Iran’s potential nuclear arsenal and not Israel’s de facto weaponry
and he counteracts the subjective “me” with the title’s general statement
“what has to be said”
plus assumes that many are of his opinion, and invites them to dare to talk
and, in the end, hopes his intervention will help Israelis and Palestians and everybody else in the Middle East.
so …

Posted by: somebody | Apr 5 2012 15:00 utc | 99

@ sabine 66:
I have little respect for Germans who complain about the burden of guilt for the sins of two world wars, particularly if they attempt, as GG does, to compare their suffering “as Germans” to that of Germany’s victims. Here in America we have a somewhat analogous situation with slavery. Despite being separated from the present by generations, the wounds and guilt of that are still real and felt in everyday life by many people. In the shadow of this legacy, all our hero-worship of Lincoln the Emancipator sometimes tends to have a desperate and hollow quality. “See? See how great we are?? We ended slavery!”
Similarly, all of GG’s anguish over whether to break his silence “as a German” rings rather hollow and self-absorbed to my ears. I do not subscribe to the view of the holocaust as transcendentally unique and incomparable, but I do believe it is important to clearly distinguish those who were exterminated from those in whose name it was carried out. In my view, GG’s attempt in this poem to link his political stance with Germany’s historical role, unedermines rather than strengthens his attempt at moral courage, and makes it in the end rather all about him, his feelings, his burdens, his guilt (or lack thereof). The poem attempts to be liberating and expansive, as if to expiate the sins of the past by speaking out in the present. But instead it comes off as utterly narrow and solipsistic. “Woe is me!” is all it says to me. It may be an “important” poem, but it’s a bad one.
WW2, by contrast to our slavery, is still a part of the living memory of many. Whether you Germans like it or not, the stain will be with you for a very long time. To be clear, I do not believe that children should be literally punished for their parents crimes, but the damage nevertheless persists, and it is selfish and irresponsible to deny the reality of that. If you don’t like it that some people may consider that your righteous political stance lacks moral force simply because of your nationality, all I can say is: tough shit. Deal with it.

Posted by: Uriel | Apr 5 2012 15:13 utc | 100