As I am currently on a family visit to greet my new born niece and to help my brother with some computer problems I am too busy to write up something meaningful. Please use this post as an open thread.
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March 19, 2012
Open Thread 2012-07
As I am currently on a family visit to greet my new born niece and to help my brother with some computer problems I am too busy to write up something meaningful. Please use this post as an open thread.
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Carl Sagan’s ex-student Eric Chaisson is doing remarkable work on the evolution of complexity in the universe at all levels of time and scale. His use of “free energy rate density” as a metric indicator of complexity has many applications for the understanding of the present global dynamics. Posted by: JohnE | Mar 19 2012 19:05 utc | 2 In case you are interested in the massacre yesterday in front of a Jewish school in Toulouse, with five deaths, including several children, Sarko is making a a great hullabaloo. It will get into world media. Jews are being killed, they should be afraid. Posted by: alexno | Mar 19 2012 20:34 utc | 3 alex, do you have links for that earlier story? Posted by: scottindallas | Mar 19 2012 20:35 utc | 4 @scottindallas Posted by: hans | Mar 19 2012 20:41 utc | 5 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gDj0-VNvySM&feature=player_embedded#! Posted by: Susan | Mar 19 2012 21:14 utc | 6 b, two days without a post – I thought you were on to something really big! Posted by: claudio | Mar 19 2012 21:15 utc | 7 la terreur à toulouse est clairement le même caractère a que du massacre de la Norvège, il est l’œuvre d’un néo nazi , il ya déjà suffisamment d’informations sur cela, mais la presse jouent un rôle honteux comme ils le faisaient en Norvège, ce qui implique un caractère de islamiste quand il n’ya absolument aucune preuve. Posted by: remembererringgiap | Mar 19 2012 22:16 utc | 9 rgiap @ 9 Posted by: Alexander | Mar 19 2012 22:28 utc | 12 Unveilling iniquity mysteries…good job to combat the golden age of grotesque insanity, please help us to uncover the rest of “mysteries”…tky all of you…Take care Posted by: Rift | Mar 19 2012 22:38 utc | 13 I see now, there was reffered to different Norwegian incidents. There was a few years ago a muslim guy shooting at the Israeli embassy in Oslo with a gun.. and there was the case of a christian-fundamentalist/zionist who blew up the government-admin-building and shot dead 76 youth from the governing Arbeiderparti youth-organisation. Posted by: Alexander | Mar 19 2012 22:38 utc | 14 Pentagon says it has no records of bin Laden’s death; CIA hasn’t answered open records request
moar at da link kiddo’s Posted by: Uncle $cam | Mar 19 2012 22:52 utc | 15 The following lengthy post is critizable for not have enough references to back up the things it’s saying. I welcome anybody to challenge any of it on factual grounds. Here’s a must-see lampoon of John Corzine which is entitled “President & Strangelove Corzine Damage Control”: Posted by: Cynthia | Mar 20 2012 0:49 utc | 17 If nobody is gonna post this….what do you all think? Posted by: Base | Mar 20 2012 1:02 utc | 18 super congrats uncle b. take a well deserved break. Posted by: annie | Mar 20 2012 1:36 utc | 19 Parviziyi @ 16
Hopefully, Benjamin Netanjahu won’t feel the urge to set off WWIII Posted by: Alexander | Mar 20 2012 1:39 utc | 20 If this turns out to be true, Base@18, we should all be asking whether the Russians will act as a deterrent to western aggression, or will they cut a deal with the US and its allies and then split the spoils with them? Posted by: Cynthia | Mar 20 2012 1:41 utc | 21 On the evening local news, Ray Kelly announced there would be increased police presence around synagogues and other places identified with Jews, because if there is killing of Jews in France there might soon be killing Jews in NYC. Posted by: jawbone | Mar 20 2012 1:46 utc | 22 Jawbone, Posted by: Cynthia | Mar 20 2012 2:48 utc | 23 So now we post information from the official Syrian mouth-piece SANA!!! This is a govt. owned news service. It specializes in propaganda. It is like posting info from VOA!!! Posted by: ndahi | Mar 20 2012 7:35 utc | 24 ndahi @ 24 Posted by: Alexander | Mar 20 2012 8:59 utc | 25 Maybe the biggest challenge to world peace these days is, the USA/Israel/UK/France campaign to divide up along sectarian lines other countries, and create divided and dysfunctional states which they can more easily manage and dominate. Posted by: Alexander | Mar 20 2012 9:25 utc | 26 Cynthia @ 23 Posted by: Alexander | Mar 20 2012 10:19 utc | 27 To be clear, I’m not a rasist, I’m not anti-semitic, I’m not against the jewish religion. I’m only against zionism, and the illegal occupation of property in Palestine. And those who falsely use the jewish religion as a justification for occupying Palestinian land for the Israeli territory. The jewish religion is contrary to stealing land and displacing or killing its inhabitants. The jewish religion even states that jews are forbidden from establishing a national state. Posted by: Alexander | Mar 20 2012 10:32 utc | 28 “those who falsely use the jewish religion as a justification for occupying Palestinian land for the Israeli territory.”..alexander@28 Posted by: ben | Mar 20 2012 13:44 utc | 29 This is either normal or planning for a contingency, say war with Iran. Posted by: shanks | Mar 20 2012 14:00 utc | 30 ndahi #24 points out that religious parties have won a big share of the votes in recent years in Egypt, Tunisia, Palestine, and Lebanon, and he forgot to mention Iraq as another case. He predicts the same kind of outcome in Syria in a free and fair election where religious parties were not banned. I have two comments about that. It could be that the U.S. is stepping up its refining efforts. For what it’s worth the U.S. is now an net exporter of fuel. Posted by: Sultanist | Mar 20 2012 14:27 utc | 32 The latest from penny. The map is very telling. Posted by: ben | Mar 20 2012 14:34 utc | 33 Alexander@27, Posted by: Cynthia | Mar 20 2012 15:52 utc | 34 oops — wrong link, here’s the right one: Posted by: Cynthia | Mar 20 2012 16:03 utc | 35 Sultanist says @32…
the US is an exporter of fuel because US consumption has nosedived, and with the installed refinery capacity, we have extra fuel… Posted by: retreatingbladestall | Mar 20 2012 16:15 utc | 36 This is an EXCELLENT analysis and review of the troubles facing Syria. I ercommedn reading by all members, it has historical and on site erviews of the events and include a review of the AVAAZ group. Posted by: ana souri | Mar 20 2012 16:33 utc | 37 ana s. @37: Yes, so far, an excellent read. Thanks for the link. Posted by: ben | Mar 20 2012 17:07 utc | 38 Unknown Tech Company Defies FBI In Mystery Surveillance Case
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Also see, ‘Total Information Awareness’ surveillance program returns, bigger than ever Posted by: Uncle $cam | Mar 20 2012 17:35 utc | 39 ana souri @ 37 Posted by: Alexander | Mar 20 2012 18:02 utc | 40 Shit, sorry about that, there was some bad formatting in the paste from the doc, if cou can, b, please remove my post 40. :-p Posted by: Alexander | Mar 20 2012 18:03 utc | 41 ndahi, you can keep religious parties democratically out of government, if your Posted by: somebody | Mar 20 2012 19:22 utc | 42 – On Boliva, President Morales has threatened to close down the US Embassy if it continues meddling in the countries internal affairs. In 2007 the US ambassador was expelled after meeting a delegation of business leaders in the wealthy area of Santa Cruz who were looking keep the profits of oil/gas in the Santa Cruz region and not divide it to the poorer regions of the country. Historically the wealthy elite in Santa Cruz have always governed Boliva at the expense of the rest of country. Morales also mentioned that some NGO’s operating in Bolivia had been “engaging in spying on behalf of the US”.
Source Part One: http://www.spiegel.de/international/europe/0,1518,819602,00.html Posted by: Colm O’ Toole | Mar 20 2012 19:58 utc | 43 alexno wrote: Posted by: Noirette | Mar 20 2012 20:01 utc | 44 One reasons that we’ve come to this place where there can be this all out ‘media war’ as talked about above:
Posted by: Uncle $cam | Mar 20 2012 20:33 utc | 45 It’s almost laughable the level of “moral outrage” by the killing of some Jews in France is been expressed by the usual suspects.Almost all Western politicians that Zionist money can buy are all lining up to put their names on the condemnation list while these same leaders don’t even utter a word when their favorite terrorists are doing the killing in Syria..Instead, they blame the Syrian government for the killings..So, given the situation as it is, can we also blame the French government for this latest killings? They’re not even calling it terrorism.Imagine if the perpetrator was of middle eastern origin?You can bet bombs will be flying in some ME country as we speak. Posted by: Zico | Mar 20 2012 22:02 utc | 46 I think the whole french serial killer case is very weird. Posted by: Alexander | Mar 20 2012 22:12 utc | 47 So, uh, was Charlie Manson waging a war on TV celebs? Christians??? White Anglos??? Posted by: PissedOffAmerican | Mar 20 2012 22:52 utc | 48 Those who are actual reliogious jews don’t support the zionist occupation in Palestine. Posted by: Alexander | Mar 20 2012 23:12 utc | 49 And the crazy cristian-fundamentalists that support the zionist state of Israel, Posted by: Alexander | Mar 20 2012 23:22 utc | 50 re: precious jew babies. reddit.com was having a feeding frenzy over this. Practically every other post was a link to AP, WaPo, BBC, the usual suspects, all bemoaning the slaughter of precious jew babies. You’d think it was Holy Coast 2.0. I don’t have a teevee but no doubt all the Purty News Readers were putting on their best sad faces. Posted by: ruralito | Mar 21 2012 0:01 utc | 51 Obama take steps to easing Iran sanctions, and even take steps to give Iranians better Internet-access Posted by: Alexander | Mar 21 2012 0:25 utc | 52 Obama gives up night raids in Afghanistan, but that might not be enough to make Karzai happy.
Posted by: Alexander | Mar 21 2012 0:39 utc | 53 Alexander @ 52 — From your second link:
The software presents we (perhaps the Israelis) send to Iran are more likely to mess things up for the Iranians than help them. Oughta be interesting. Posted by: jawbone | Mar 21 2012 2:29 utc | 54 @30, @36 Posted by: Proton Soup | Mar 21 2012 3:22 utc | 55 @ 49, Zionists? Jews? Israel Shamir has the right idea: he declared himself an ex-Jew. And why not? The ghetto walls have come down, the pogroms have abated. It’s the perfect time for Jews, while this window of opportunity exists, to “simply flow into the mystic” in Van Morrison’s immortal verse. Posted by: ruralito | Mar 21 2012 3:29 utc | 56 @52 – Alexander Posted by: Proton Soup | Mar 21 2012 3:29 utc | 57 drat, it seems that “post another comment” deletes the first. i’m not formatting all that again, but will just say that Barak’s new defense preparedness Executive Order may be a prelude to war. Bush did his just 3 weeks before the Irag War. Posted by: Proton Soup | Mar 21 2012 3:40 utc | 58 The wicked Sarkosy is caught on the thorn of his own racist policies …and his Ministers with him Posted by: Tom Skene | Mar 21 2012 4:10 utc | 59 B – With respect, let Afghanistan go for now. Do Iran, only. We are about to do another ten years, with huge loss. Huge loss. Huge loss. With respect to you. Please. Posted by: Anonymous | Mar 21 2012 5:17 utc | 60 Proton Soup @57
saudis own 50% of a refinery in port arthur, texas, in partnership with shell… the operating company is called “motiva”. Posted by: retreatingbladestall | Mar 21 2012 5:40 utc | 61 There is something very big in the works, that’s for sure. By the USA I mean. Posted by: Alexander | Mar 21 2012 6:10 utc | 62
30 days, i’m going blind. Posted by: retreatingbladestall | Mar 21 2012 6:20 utc | 63 Angry Arab is spreading rumours. I really think some education on what the Holocaust really was is needed. It has become a myth nowadays. Posted by: somebody | Mar 21 2012 6:59 utc | 64 He also does not understand German Nazi ideology. They believed this pseudo scientific crap about having to clean their “race”, it had nothing to do with Posted by: somebody | Mar 21 2012 7:08 utc | 65 somebody says @64…
so you have access to a list, compiled by the germans, of all six million jewish victims. Posted by: retreatingbladestall | Mar 21 2012 7:15 utc | 66 so we’ve got to wonder, if the saudis have so much spare oil, why are they spending billions to upgrade a refinery so it can do heavy oil? …it couldnt possibly be that saudi’s old fields of light sweet oil have peaked and are declining rapidly… Posted by: retreatingbladestall | Mar 21 2012 8:00 utc | 67 Saudi Oil is rapidly diminishing, there is no spare capacity. Posted by: Alexander | Mar 21 2012 8:27 utc | 68 sure, retreatingbladestall, they were very good at issuing death certificates, would leave out the cause of death though … Posted by: somebody | Mar 21 2012 9:14 utc | 69 Easing sanctions on Iran. First, the oil sanctions could not be implemented, not realistically. Posted by: Noirette | Mar 21 2012 10:13 utc | 70 also essential reading Posted by: somebody | Mar 21 2012 11:15 utc | 71 Here’s a story from AP: Posted by: bevin | Mar 21 2012 12:39 utc | 72 What the above story suggests to me is a level of demoralisation among US troops so deep as to present real problems when they return to the US. If this story is correct these attacks were planned at the local level complete with cover story and fall guy. I wouldn’t be surprised to learn that they’d drawn lots. How far up the chain of command did the conspiracy go? Posted by: bevin | Mar 21 2012 12:45 utc | 73 bevin asks @72…
there’s some pretty big truth energing that challenges the official truth… there’s no way the official version of the truth can prevail unless it’s backed up by a police state. Posted by: retreatingbladestall | Mar 21 2012 12:58 utc | 74 looks to me like we’re getting down to the last morsels of free lunch afforded israelis by the holocaust persecution myth… Posted by: retreatingbladestall | Mar 21 2012 13:49 utc | 75 Here’s one way it will happen. One of many. Depleted Uranium is another. Decrease lifespans and make those decreased lifespans less healthy and more miserable. Posted by: Sultanist | Mar 21 2012 14:06 utc | 76 Just been watching France24 news. Crazy stuff going down to say the least. Basic story seems to be this. Mohammed Merah was arrested in Kandahar, Afghanistan for planting bombs and sent to Prison for 3 years. Was broken out of prison in the mass Taliban jailbreak last year. Returned to France and lived with his brother. Shot 2 French Muslim soldiers at an ATM last week. Days later shot another French soldier. Then shot up the Jewish school killing 3. This morning French police raided his brothers home found a car filled with explosives. Brother turned himself in but the shooter is still holding out armed with a Kalashnikov. Obviously Sarkozy has rushed to Toulouse this morning to milk the story given we are 2 weeks away from elections. Posted by: Colm O’ Toole | Mar 21 2012 14:16 utc | 77 Colm O’ Toole, you left out the bit about the French secret service having watched to guy for quite some time, without noticing anything dangerous … Posted by: somebody | Mar 21 2012 15:02 utc | 78 If this murderer had been wearing a uniform and complianed that he was depressed, the Wingnuts would claim that he just “snapped” under the strain. See http://www.foreignpolicy.com/articles/2012/03/19/toulouse_shootings?page=0,0 Posted by: Matthew | Mar 21 2012 15:35 utc | 79 Yeah wouldn’t be suprised if there is more to this. Just got this info from watching France24’s channel which is about as mainstream as CNN. Also I had an error in the previous post, he wasn’t broken out of the Afghan jail last year but 3 years ago. They just mentioned a big Taliban jailbreak where he escaped and I assumed it was last years one where they dug the tunnel and hundreds escaped. In fact it was another jailbreak a few years ago. Posted by: Colm O’ Toole | Mar 21 2012 15:35 utc | 80 retreatingbladestall @ 73 Posted by: Alexander | Mar 21 2012 15:52 utc | 81 @retreatingbladestall Posted by: claudio | Mar 21 2012 16:03 utc | 82 Yeah, Colm O’ Toole, it is very fishy, how much time to the French elections? Posted by: somebody | Mar 21 2012 16:25 utc | 83 Yeah,the Germans,those methodical killers and planners let untold? numbers of witnesses live to tell their tale.I have come to believe nothing spewed from the mouths of serial liars and killers,whose evil deeds make Hitler look like an amateur,with body counts documented in the millions of civilians all over the world since WW2 despite our MSM’s attempts to minimilize and justify them,but hey,myths die hard,look at the myth of American goodness,belied by the constant fact of our evil deeds,again,minimalized and obscured by bullsh*t. Posted by: dahoit | Mar 21 2012 16:33 utc | 84 So the lone nut (Toulouse) turns out to be “AL Q.” How convenient. Posted by: Noirette | Mar 21 2012 17:04 utc | 85 The Toulouse incident smells of “October surprise”. @claudio, 82… Posted by: retreatingbladestall | Mar 21 2012 19:00 utc | 87 b. surely this will help Marine le Pen? If it is Le Pen against Hollande, Hollande is bound to win? Posted by: somebody | Mar 21 2012 19:05 utc | 88 I do not know how Sarkozy plans to survive this Posted by: somebody | Mar 21 2012 20:04 utc | 89 @retreatingbladestall #87 Posted by: claudio | Mar 21 2012 20:18 utc | 90 the facts remain… Posted by: retreatingbladestall | Mar 21 2012 20:51 utc | 91 bevin @ 72 — I’ve been wondering if Bales is trying to cover up for his men. It sounds like it might be something he would do. This new info, that US troops lined up villagers and one told them they would pay for the attack. Others being involved would explain what seems inexplicable, all that death and damage done by one lone wolf who “lost it.” Riiight. Posted by: jawbone | Mar 21 2012 23:07 utc | 92 jawbone @ 92
Posted by: Alexander | Mar 21 2012 23:22 utc | 93 Yeah, Colm O’ Toole, it is very fishy Posted by: slothrop | Mar 21 2012 23:27 utc | 94 If there is life out there in the universe, this is the music I would want them to hear to have an understanding of mankind: Posted by: Cynthia | Mar 22 2012 1:07 utc | 96 Somebody @ 83 Posted by: Alexander | Mar 22 2012 1:48 utc | 97 slothrop, I simply suspect it is blowback, the press has been full of Mancunian or Irish speaking Libyan fighters, who are supposed to be in Syria now. If ex- and new colonial Britain cultivated the Libyan Islamic fighting group, I guess ex- and new colonial France did something similar. How likely do you think an uneducated petty criminal with Algerian Arabic French speaker makes it to Waziristan and back on his own? Or what does the US do with guys who fight against their troops in Afghanistan? Just watch them? The detail with the imprisonment in Kandahar seems to have disappeared now from the biography. Why? Posted by: somebody | Mar 22 2012 6:22 utc | 98 the white saviour industrial complex Posted by: somebody | Mar 22 2012 6:33 utc | 99 An interesting piece of history. A French coup and a nuke: A “Nuclear Coup” ? France, the Algerian War and the April 1961 Nuclear Test (pdf) |
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