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March 12, 2012
Open Thread 2012-06
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From The Arabist.net Posted by: bevin | Mar 12 2012 20:05 utc | 1 I dont know if any of you were able to catch Up with Chris on MSNBC yesterday. It was probably the most cogent, legitimate discussion on Israel/Palestine I have ever seen on US broadcast or Cable TV. There are several segments. Posted by: Base | Mar 12 2012 20:43 utc | 2 Student loans seen as potential ‘next debt bomb’ for U.S. economy
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Posted by: Uncle $cam | Mar 12 2012 21:46 utc | 3 Michael Klare has a new book out tomorrow:”The Race for What’s Left: The Global Scramble for the World’s Last Resources.” Posted by: JohnH | Mar 12 2012 22:50 utc | 4 FYI b Posted by: brian | Mar 13 2012 1:44 utc | 6 Well, well. I wonder how our sententious hamburger will juggle angry Arab’s recent reluctant and, let’s face it, embarrassing confessions that Nir Rosen is probably right, and indeed, the regime is guilty of massacre at Homs. Posted by: slothrop | Mar 13 2012 1:49 utc | 7 “It was probably the most cogent, legitimate discussion on Israel/Palestine I have ever seen on US broadcast or Cable TV” Posted by: PissedOffAmerican | Mar 13 2012 2:13 utc | 8 what massacre at Homs, slops… Posted by: brian | Mar 13 2012 3:00 utc | 9 ‘And get this: the more the dictatorship violently suppresses the uprising, the more radical the uprising grows. Go figure.’ Posted by: brian | Mar 13 2012 3:03 utc | 11 ‘Michael Klare has a new book out tomorrow:”The Race for What’s Left: The Global Scramble for the World’s Last Resources.”‘ Posted by: brian | Mar 13 2012 3:04 utc | 12 ‘Saif Islam al-Qadhafi to the tune of €50 million. ‘ Posted by: brian | Mar 13 2012 3:14 utc | 13 Oh happy day, the US military has a new toy. Wait until they roll this out against the OWS crowd. They’ll be wetting their pants with glee. Posted by: ben | Mar 13 2012 3:15 utc | 14 brian @ 9: Good link, thanks. Kudos b. Posted by: ben | Mar 13 2012 3:24 utc | 15 nir rosen Posted by: slothrop | Mar 13 2012 3:32 utc | 16 slothrop like a moth to flame Posted by: lizard | Mar 13 2012 4:03 utc | 17 I like to think slothrop is like that speck of shit stuck to the side of the bowl at which you can’t help but aim your piss. Posted by: Biklett | Mar 13 2012 4:24 utc | 20 sometimes i worry about your appetite Posted by: retreatingbladestall | Mar 13 2012 4:26 utc | 21 like a speck of shit stuck to the bowl Posted by: lizard | Mar 13 2012 4:37 utc | 22 yep, slothrop, you are right Posted by: somebody | Mar 13 2012 5:50 utc | 24
Posted by: Uncle $cam | Mar 13 2012 5:51 utc | 25 no 8 PissedoffAmerican, I actually am intrigued about the general silence. Rockets from Gaza are in a radius now that halts normal life for 500.000+ people, and nobody seems to doubt threats that that radius can be enlarged. Israel is interested in a ceasefire with the tiny Gaza Strip, when Netanyahu just came back from Washington talking about an attack on Iran. Posted by: somebody | Mar 13 2012 6:05 utc | 26 Thanks to Bevin @ 1 for the interesting report on Sarkozy. It seems that Berlusconi is a paragon of loyalty in comparison to S., but maybe that’s just a sign of the advantages of being your own source of covert funding. Posted by: Hannah K. O’Luthon | Mar 13 2012 6:14 utc | 27 Here’s the link to the article Bevin cited in 1. Posted by: Hannah K. O’Luthon | Mar 13 2012 6:17 utc | 28 @b
Posted by: Calig | Mar 13 2012 6:26 utc | 29 Uncle $cam @25: Thanks for the article, another brick in the wall of proof that the Saudis are a major player in the funding of criminals. Posted by: ben | Mar 13 2012 6:31 utc | 30 there is also this stratfor email – the cancer is irrelevant, the Syrian part is Posted by: somebody | Mar 13 2012 7:12 utc | 31 the truth comes out about Afghanistan Posted by: somebody | Mar 13 2012 8:32 utc | 32 Everyone knew it but now we have prove that the Lockerbee case against the Libyian man Megrahi was a sham:
Six key points that cast doubt on Megrahi’s guilt
Editorial Lockerbie: inching closer to the truth US interventions and the drug trade – Kosovo Posted by: somebody | Mar 13 2012 8:52 utc | 34 and this is how it stands in the country that wants to attack Iran Posted by: somebody | Mar 13 2012 8:55 utc | 35 @somebody #32. Posted by: ralphieboy | Mar 13 2012 10:02 utc | 36 in the balkans, the aspiring empire dangled visions of pipeline revenue under the noses of factions hostile to each other, sold them guns, recruited a few psychopaths to serva as media figureheads, heroic leaders and scapegoats, and waited until the number of casualties rose far enough to justify “humanitarian intervention”… although the casualties are not critical since they can be managed and manufactured by the media. Posted by: retreatingbladestall | Mar 13 2012 11:54 utc | 37 the sme tactics were used in libya and sudan… it’s just a matter of time until the it happens again, in a country that supplies oil to china, or is on a pipeline route to china. Posted by: retreatingbladestall | Mar 13 2012 12:04 utc | 38 – I knew Sarkozy was a lying sleazy politician without the smallest signs of human decency but this really makes me even more cynical about politics.
So to be clear in 2007 Sarkozy took 50 Million from Gaddaffi to fund his election campaign. Then in 2011 he turns around and launches an attack on his country in order to bolster his re-election campaign. Anyone who thinks US politics is disillusioning clearly has never followed a French Presidential campaign.
Source: http://english.al-akhbar.com/blogs/sandbox/syria-censorship-aol-huffington-post Posted by: Colm O’ Toole | Mar 13 2012 12:15 utc | 39 bicklett @ 20 Posted by: Alexander | Mar 13 2012 12:20 utc | 40 ‘I like to think slothrop is like that speck of shit stuck to the side of the bowl at which you can’t help but aim your piss.’ Posted by: Sultanist | Mar 13 2012 12:33 utc | 42 Sure, but still it was funny. Anyway, that slothrop comes here to defecate doesn’t mean it’s a latrine. Posted by: Alexander | Mar 13 2012 13:04 utc | 43 Any news regarding autopsy carried out for the journalists “killed” in Syria. I have tried google but looks like there is no mention of any? Posted by: hans | Mar 13 2012 15:10 utc | 44 Good interview from penny, long, but, worth a listen: Posted by: ben | Mar 13 2012 15:58 utc | 45 Hans @ 44 — Thanks for bringing up whether there were autopsies of Marie Colvin (Did the Syrians do one?) in the US and the photopgrapher, Remi Ochlik, in France. I’ve been wondering and googling myself. Colvin’s funeral was held in Oyster Bay, Long Island, on Monday, per this AP article carried by Yahoo. but there is no mention of where of when she was/will be buried. Posted by: jawbone | Mar 13 2012 16:11 utc | 46 Canada’s Toadie-in-Chief Harper’s vision of the modern state: Impoverish Canadians so they’ll take any job at any wage. Encourage Canadians to make more babies, however unloved they may be, so they’ll kill each other to get some stinking job they hate. Build more prisons to keep up with the demand. Use the excess, unconvicted, to man the army. More wars, more disease, more poverty, more crime, all presided over by unctuous under-toadies babbling about “morals”. And the “opposition” is letting it happen. This is not a conspiracy; it’s bleedin obvious! Posted by: yes_but | Mar 13 2012 17:46 utc | 47 The irony of being sloppy: his links to the official line(hey, sloppy, I can read your crap in the waiting room at the dentists, OK?)forces the rest of us to dig deep for the rare, as-yet-unseen nuggets. Posted by: yes_but | Mar 13 2012 18:40 utc | 48 On Lockerbie: Posted by: brian | Mar 13 2012 20:36 utc | 50 May explain the Scottish push for emancipation, I mean independence from UK, shortly after they sent him back to Libya on humanitarian grounds. Posted by: Alexander | Mar 13 2012 20:57 utc | 51 Hans @44 and Jawbone @46 Posted by: Forgetful | Mar 13 2012 23:10 utc | 52 Hans @ 44 — Thanks! That’s what I thought I’d read, but had no idea where. Posted by: jawbone | Mar 14 2012 0:32 utc | 53 Make that thanks to Forgetful, from one how just demonstrated forgetfulness…. Posted by: jawbone | Mar 14 2012 0:33 utc | 54 New to this site… Posted by: killtaker | Mar 14 2012 0:34 utc | 55 Jawbone, I did a bit more digging since I don’t necessarily believe everything I read. After Marie Colvins’ and Remi Ochlik’s bodies were exhumed from the grave the opposition had buried them in, they were taken By the Syrian Red Crescent to Al-Assad University Hospital in Damascus. Without more information, can’t say for sure if the autopsy was actually done there. Then Marie Colvin was flown to Dover AFB where the US military maintains its mortuary; possible an autopsy was done there. Seems to have been kept a private matter, but I am sure an autopsy was done somewhere. Posted by: Forgetful | Mar 14 2012 1:02 utc | 56 According to Press TV and Wikipedia she was indeed killed by an IED. Posted by: Alexander | Mar 14 2012 3:23 utc | 57 @56 @57 Posted by: hans | Mar 14 2012 5:58 utc | 58 Is it an indication of how far my trust has eroded that I couldn’t read this without trying to figure out this guy’s angle and what he was trying to put over on everybody?
It’s all about a toxic culture that manufactures inhumanity. Posted by: Monolycus | Mar 14 2012 12:51 utc | 60 They co-opt and defuse messages faster and faster these days. I’m already too late out of the starting gate on this one. Posted by: Monolycus | Mar 14 2012 14:14 utc | 61 Centuries ago we didn’t have any international laws in place to stop, much less prevent, European settlers from massacring native Americans and stealing their land and resources from them. Nor at the time did we have enough knowledge of biology and human evolution to know that native Americans aren’t subhuman, but are fully human in every sense of the word, making them equal as equal can possibly be to all other humans, including the ones in Europe. This is not only true in the eyes of God, but more importantly, it’s factual within the Laws of Nature. Posted by: Cynthia | Mar 14 2012 16:00 utc | 62 @Monolycus “Why I am leaving Goldman Sachs” Speaking of
Unfuckingbelievable… Posted by: Uncle $cam | Mar 14 2012 18:52 utc | 64
wtf, over. Posted by: dan of steele | Mar 14 2012 20:22 utc | 65 dan of steele @ 65 Posted by: Alexander | Mar 14 2012 20:35 utc | 66 @63 – My thoughts exactly. And I have news for the still naive twit. Goldman Sachs was always a bunch of shitbirds. It’s not some recent transformation. Posted by: Sultanist | Mar 14 2012 21:04 utc | 67 My goodness. It looks like all of our trust has eroded. Posted by: Monolycus | Mar 14 2012 23:10 utc | 68 I’ve selected nine quotes in an attempt to summarise a phenomenal court case. If you’re not interested in this, just scroll down. Posted by: Ivan K. | Mar 15 2012 1:44 utc | 69 This thread from Pat Lang’s SST site seems worth noting, and has probably already been noted by many who visit MOA. Posted by: Hannah K. O’Luthon | Mar 16 2012 9:15 utc | 70 Since this is an Open Thread:
The media have been kind of quiet on the warmongering towards iran in the last few days. I personally assume that military action, if nato air support should be involved, would take place in the next month or so. The “escalation” media-machine hasn’t been this quiet for a long time. I wonder whether the afghanistan-syria condition is somehow interfering with nato plans for intervention or if this is deliberate silence as to make an “assasination plot” or what have you appear more vehement. Posted by: peter radiator | Mar 16 2012 14:12 utc | 72 The only enemies the government has that are worth this kind of effort is the people.
Bullshit. We are already there and have been for a decade or longer… They are just fine tuning it. Only everyone pretends, we’re not there yet, even the erudite on this board. Fact of the matter is, they can pull your or my ticket at any given moment. If not in real-time, then as Ward Churchill once said, “they can back engineer any evid4ence they want”. Just as with John Locke and Adam Smith. In Two Treatises of Government, e.g. State. The argument becomes religious as the invisible hand is interpreted as the hand of God. The invisible hand is God the State. And you are at it’s every whim. For good or ill. Mostly ill. A dangerous and paranoiac schizophrenic murderous God/State.
Posted by: Uncle $cam | Mar 16 2012 16:00 utc | 73 French paratroopers killed Posted by: Alexander | Mar 16 2012 16:38 utc | 74 I’ve read about two cases. Have they both been getting money at the time? Thought about some revenge acts, too. But who knows, these days. With “wars” in Libya and Syria and assets frozen and/or given away, I’m sure there’s plenty of money going to various places, causing a lot of envy each. Posted by: peter radiator | Mar 16 2012 17:42 utc | 75 peter radiator @ 72
Posted by: Alexander | Mar 16 2012 18:14 utc | 76 @all – for obvious “political” reasons, I’m looking for alternatives to the use of Google’s search and email; any suggestions, please? (maybe others here might have this problem, too) Posted by: claudio | Mar 17 2012 20:30 utc | 77 claudio: https://duckduckgo.com/ or https://blekko.com/ or http://www.bing.com/ Posted by: Philippe | Mar 18 2012 1:12 utc | 79 “I’m looking for alternatives to the use of Google’s search and email” Posted by: Hu Bris | Mar 18 2012 10:02 utc | 80 i’ve been having trouble with zshare… my songs disappear after a few minutes… Posted by: retreatingbladestall | Mar 18 2012 12:36 utc | 81 @ 81 Posted by: Alexander | Mar 18 2012 14:12 utc | 82 Alexander says, @82…
well, i dont know how the “delete” mechanism works… Posted by: retreatingbladestall | Mar 18 2012 14:22 utc | 83 I explain here why I am now considering voting for Mitt Romney. Posted by: lizard | Mar 18 2012 14:49 utc | 84 As brian stated above in this thread, I find it interesting that a large number of Syrian people support the government and not the insurgency.
I believe the true intent of demonstrations have been globally perverted. But then again the “Syrian Free Press ~ Uncensored by the Zion-Western Media” could be a government organ. Smoke and mirrors everywhere make me constantly suspicious. Posted by: juannie | Mar 18 2012 16:29 utc | 85 Senators Issue Strong Warning About Use of the Patriot Act Posted by: Uncle $cam | Mar 18 2012 16:49 utc | 86 Found this comment on a CNN Syria bomb attack:
If this is true, my hightened suspicions about Al Jazeera lately are spot on, but most important, Al Jazeera being linked so closely to the terrorists is quite extraordinary. Posted by: Alexander | Mar 18 2012 17:11 utc | 87 Al-Jazeera is qatari owned, what exactly would you expect? The market’s hidden hand does not interfere with their broadcasting, their revenues don’t come from advertising. They might even have an agenda. Their agenda might not even be balanced and pro-democratic, who knows? Posted by: peter radiator | Mar 18 2012 17:25 utc | 88 When not in use unplug your webcams and microphones. Via Daily Mail:
And remember, anything you say will be used against you:
Posted by: Juan Moment | Mar 19 2012 4:54 utc | 89 |
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